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December 08, 2021, 08:31:58 AM |
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How many people are using bitcoin wallets?
I think that the most honest answer is: Nobody knows. - Since one can make a wallet anonymously, - Since one wallet can have any number of addresses, - Since one can have wallet without ever putting money on it, - Since one can have as many wallets as he wants, I would not count on the accuracy of any numbers (guesses/estimations) people would give. You can easily find out how many addresses have funds. One can find out how many addresses ever had coins on them. But this is not the number of people.
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Even a single HD wallet can have as many as possible addresses, while two or more wallets can belong to a single person. Even how about custodial exchanges, an exchange can have few wallets, but having as many addresses given to their customers. How about people that are using custodial wallets too. All these make it to be unrealistic. Even to know the total number of people that are making use of noncustododial wallets is unrealistic as well, as seen in point one.
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You can easily find out how many addresses have funds. About 39 million. One can find out how many addresses ever had coins on them. 16 months ago, almost 700 million. Update: currently, this number went up to over 900 million unique addresses. But this is not the number of people. My guess: several million people own and use at least one Bitcoin wallet. This is much less than the estimates of hundreds of millions of Bitcoin users I've seen, so my assumption is most of them keep "their" Bitcoin on exchanges.
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December 08, 2021, 08:50:59 AM |
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Are offline wallets safe?
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My guess: several million people own and use at least one Bitcoin wallet. This is much less than the estimates of hundreds of millions of Bitcoin users I've seen, so my assumption is most of them keep "their" Bitcoin on exchanges.
Yes. I do not know how custodial wallets are designed, the design may differ from one another. But also most of them or all of them are using just one, two or few wallets to generate addresses for users. It will also contribute. Are offline wallets safe?
This is in contrast to this thread that you created. But yes. It depends on you also, you have to still be careful of offline attackers like strangers and enemies that people are thinking are friends, never trust anyone and keep your seed phrase or private key in a place not vulnerable to damages or attacks. Offline wallets are:Paper wallet Hardware wallets Wallet on airgapped devices (like Electrum cold storage) Also you will still have to be careful of clipboard malware, best to generally stay away from malware. Clipboard malware can still be capable of changing recipient's address to a hackers address when making transaction. The reason it is good to check and recheck the address you are sending coin to. But unlike online wallets, your seed phrase and keys will remain offline, making it impossible for online attack to be able to reveal the seed phrase and keys to online attackers.
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December 08, 2021, 09:02:44 AM |
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Are offline wallets safe?
If a wallet was created by a good software (without errors, without in-built vulnerabilities like making the addresses by a rule the programmer can also easily obtain the private keys for those wallets) and, generated offline and that device/private key will never go online, then yes, they're safe. However: * different unrelated questions should go to different topics, else mix-up between answers can happen * you should ask in more words - more clearly - your questions, else you may get very generic answers you may not find really useful
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I've created several wallets on Blockchain.info (nowadays .com) too, but that doesn't mean I use them. So I guess they include dormant accounts, multiple accounts per user, and accounts containing only altcoins. Saying they have 80 million unique wallets is like saying Bitcointalk has 3.4 million unique users. Lol.
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Offline wallets are: Paper wallet Hardware wallets Wallet on airgapped devices (like Electrum cold storage) ~snip~ But unlike online wallets, your seed phrase and keys will remain offline, making it impossible for online attack to be able to reveal the seed phrase and keys to online attackers.
It is wrong to call hardware wallets "offline wallets", especially if we associate it with their usual use, and for that we need the Internet - whether it's outgoing transactions, installing a coin app, or firmware update. It is true that seed is generated offline on the device and that there is currently no publicly known way to remotely hack such devices - which does not mean that one day it will not become a reality. Every time you connect your HW to a computer or smartphone that is online, there is a possibility that something bad could happen, and I don't just mean clipboard malware.
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December 08, 2021, 06:41:19 PM |
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There were 67M+ users in february of 2021. In this month there is too many people using bitcoin wallet. Because they know how to survive in future, they are preparing for future.
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1 address isn't equivalent to 1 wallet, so it's a very tough question to answer honestly and I don't think anyone can give you an accurate guess as to how many are there. One person can use many wallets, and many people can share the same wallet (exchanges), so getting that figure is almost impossible, and there are tons of different factors to weigh in before you arrive with 1 wallet.
You can, however, check how many addresses have something in them, and how many address had some balance before they were emptied.
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It is wrong to call hardware wallets "offline wallets"
First of all, how about this pinned post that I quoted this below content: Cold Storage Cold storage is achieved when Bitcoin private keys are created and stored offline. Private keys stored offline are more secure since there is no risk that a hacker or malware could steal your coins. There are three ways to create cold storage: paper wallets, hardware wallets, and software wallets run on offline computers. Think of cold storage as your savings account. Use it to securely store bitcoins that you don’t plan to spend.
Offline wallets are also called cold wallets because their seed phrase and keys are not generated online and not revealed online which makes it more safe and secure to online wallets. There are many clipboard malware we have heard of before that stole coins while the recipient address was changed to a hacker's address while sending on a hardware wallet. Also we have heard of some other vulnerabilities before, but yet never heard of a malware that reveal the seed phrase or keys of a reputed hardware wallet. But if there is any, you can point it out which will make me to be wrong about this. Also hardwares are getting modified, it is now very possible some hardware wallet can generate keys and addresses without even connecting it to a device like computer or phone. But the fact still remain that the seed phrase and the keys on hardware wallets are generated offline, stay offline if not imported on online wallet. The reason they are called cold wallets, cold wallets are offline wallets.
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December 08, 2021, 07:59:29 PM |
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How many people are using bitcoin wallets?
This cant be known honestly! We do have online and offline wallets that could be divided whether its a hardware wallet or custodial wallets like exchange platforms and there are wallets like non custodial ones like Electrum and considering that someone could create his other new wallet then no one could able to trace it up if its owned by a similar person. So why would be asking on how many? For what benefit? Statistics?
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Also we have heard of some other vulnerabilities before, but yet never heard of a malware that reveal the seed phrase or keys of a reputed hardware wallet. But if there is any, you can point it out which will make me to be wrong about this.
The fact that something does not exist at the moment or that we have not heard of it does not mean that there is no potential danger - it is not difficult to conclude that hackers around the world are trying to achieve something in this direction, given the value stored on millions of such devices sold from 2014 to date. But the fact still remain that the seed phrase and the keys on hardware wallets are generated offline, stay offline if not imported on online wallet. The reason they are called cold wallets, cold wallets are offline wallets.
I have already written that I do not dispute the generation of seed that only happens on the device offline, but that you connect the same device to the Internet to use your wallets, which leaves the possibility of remote attack at any time in the future. The term cold wallet or cold storage should only be used for a properly made airgapped wallet - everything else confuses users who think they are absolutely untouchable if they use hardware wallets. A few years ago, no one thought it would be possible to extract a seed from any Trezor HW in 5 minutes with equipment worth $100 (of course with physical access to the device) if such a device is not protected by extra security measures.
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December 09, 2021, 11:08:04 AM |
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How many people are using bitcoin wallets?
I think that the most honest answer is: Nobody knows. The same thing came in my mind when I read OP. My thoughts on this are that its a different financial system as compared to centralized banks so there is no trace of how many are in BTC pool. Also there is no way we can find how many are using the wallets. Anonymity is one of the key aspect of BTC so you cant trace people here.
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December 09, 2021, 11:25:29 AM Last edit: December 09, 2021, 11:38:18 AM by Shamm |
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How many people are using bitcoin wallets?
Honestly Op These are the hardest question I'll encounter. And I think that this question remains unanswered questions until someone discovers a site that can count all the wallet addresses of Bitcoins, ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) [lol] but what they stated above even 1 person can handle many wallets so we can not assure the exact number of people using bitcoin wallets, Even a hacker cannot predict what is the exact number but some people pointed out that amount but they not sure if they are right or wrong. [Edited] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5265993.0 I forgot this thread by our forum mate LoyceV. OP you check this.
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December 09, 2021, 11:34:53 AM |
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Are offline wallets safe?
Yes, but it depends on what kind of wallet it is, there are some shady wallets available which claims that they are the best but they simply steal your money so choose your wallet wisely. One person can hold million wallets so its not really possible to find how many people are using ir having Bitcoin wallets and even if we find the answer for this question its really useless.
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December 11, 2021, 07:24:05 PM |
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Why you are counting wallet users when it's can't be counted.Because many users using Hardware wallets too.But we can say who has Bitcoin,he must using Wallets.
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December 11, 2021, 07:31:40 PM |
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How many people are using bitcoin wallets?
Why would you want to know? Are you thinking of getting a bitcoin wallet? Or are you trying to weigh if Bitcoin wallet is more suitable for you than saving your Bitcoin on an exchange, them you would have just asked, to be honest I think this question isn't important for you, you don't have any use knowing how many people use Bitcoin wallet, expect you have other untold reasons
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December 11, 2021, 08:17:56 PM |
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Why you are counting wallet users when it's can't be counted.Because many users using Hardware wallets too.But we can say who has Bitcoin,he must using Wallets.
Hardware wallet is just also part of the hierarchical deterministic (HD) wallets, you can just generalize the whole HD wallets in which a single seed phrase can generate as many as possible keys and addresses which can belong to a single person that generated the seed phrase.
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