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I don't understand this part. There's nothing wrong in buying bitcoin aggressively as long as you have the financial capacity to do that. A person may start his bitcoin accumulation initially and later get an additional source of income. When he gets additional source of income, he may decide to increase his investment amount to fasten his steps to his accumulation goal. Becoming aggressive is a personal choice and it borders on your finances.

Another scenario is that a person may be maintaining a given DCA strategy and eventually gets additional money. What does he do, he will decide the amount to buy bitcoin aggressively while maintaining his long-standing DCA. So there's no point saying that ...you cannot buy bitcoin aggressively. Buying bitcoin needs patience but that does not mean that being patient is against buying bitcoin aggressively as long as you have extra money to invest with out interfering in your basic responsibilities.
What you just said is right, but where some investors get confused is that they mix up aggressive buying with reckless buying. Aggressive buying isn't a problem here when an investor is capable of doing that; that's if there's a solid foundation put in place for such. After the investor must have settled every bill and no loans they owe, in this case your source of income is at peace. Whereas reckless buying is when you aren't using a discretionary income or using money that is above your risk threshold (i.e., money that you cannot afford to lose).

Therefore, before you buy Bitcoin aggressively, one key thing to ask is, let's say the price of Bitcoin drops 50% tomorrow from the point you bought, and eventually you lose your job too, would you panic sell, or would you be fine? So now the answer is left for every individual investor to answer.


Generally and in conclusion, buying aggressively to me is a choice.
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Today at 03:36:02 PM
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Whether a person trade prudently or otherwise there's no guarantee that the person would succeed so don't even waste your time in trying to get people to join trading or making trading look like something that is simple, and if you ask  me I would say the time of trading has passed because I barely see people talk about trading like before, perhaps they must have figured out that Long term investment is the best so they have all switched to long term investment and as you can see that's where we all in interested in. Why don't you give long term investment a trial I guess you would love it.

You are absolutely correct, being wise in trading won't make someone not to make loss of course they will and loss is highly inevitable in trading regardless of the amount of knowledge and psychology someone has. Trading is not simple because it requires a lot of self skills and that of market skill that is why it is good to venture into investment since those skills are not required in investment. Yet you still need to put things in order before you can succeed in investment. However, the fact you don't hear about trading doesn't mean people are not trading.











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Today at 03:36:54 PM
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Failure to set up an emergency funds as an investor to backup our investment holdings is like subscribing to failure since emergency situations are inevitable and can barely be avoided. However, this fact can't be negotiable not for anything as long as bitcoin investment is concern. Furthermore, you aren't setting it in place for fancy or for formality purposes but to have your asset secured. Because when real live problem comes, like unplanned sickness, unexpected movement that you must make and other unplanned situations that may arise that you will need to attend to then you will understand the need for it that it wasn't just mentioned for child's play.

To invest in Bitcoin, you definitely need to build an emergency fund, apart from the emergency fund, you need to follow other strategies that will help you keep your Bitcoin investment for a long time. For example, you need to be patient, you cannot buy Bitcoin aggressively. You need to follow more strategies that if you follow the rules, you will be able to move yourself forward towards the future, circumstances will never fix you, but you have to be in the circumstances of time.
So in Bitcoin investment, it will be the best to keep yourself calm and move towards the future by buying Bitcoin.

There is no need to make it a condition that you have to build an emergency fund before you start buying Bitcoin. Because building an emergency fund also takes time. It can usually take more than 1 year to build a complete emergency fund. I doubt whether a person will be able to start at all if he waits so long before starting. Therefore, I would suggest that if a person gets $200 per month as discretionary income after meeting all his necessary expenses, he can start buying Bitcoin with a part of that money and at the same time he can spend another part on building an emergency fund and on personal expenses. At the same time, he can build an emergency fund without being deprived of the opportunity to start. Of course, he must have a way to meet his necessary expenses for the next month. But just because he has not achieved the entire goal of emergency savings, he should not refrain from buying Bitcoin.

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Today at 04:43:14 PM
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Whether a person trade prudently or otherwise there's no guarantee that the person would succeed so don't even waste your time in trying to get people to join trading or making trading look like something that is simple, and if you ask  me I would say the time of trading has passed because I barely see people talk about trading like before, perhaps they must have figured out that Long term investment is the best so they have all switched to long term investment and as you can see that's where we all in interested in. Why don't you give long term investment a trial I guess you would love it.

You are absolutely correct, being wise in trading won't make someone not to make loss of course they will and loss is highly inevitable in trading regardless of the amount of knowledge and psychology someone has. Trading is not simple because it requires a lot of self skills and that of market skill that is why it is good to venture into investment since those skills are not required in investment. Yet you still need to put things in order before you can succeed in investment. However, the fact you don't hear about trading doesn't mean people are not trading.
I still don’t understand how people try to beat bitcoin with it volatility. There is no mastering in trading or in the volubility of bitcoin, there is no book you read or research you make that will make you beat it. So this very reason is why it is said to best invest in bitcoin than to trade with it. With investing in Bitcoin and using the DCA it put you in this safe position, because you are investing with what you can afford to lose.

With investing you don’t really need to learn anything but just figure out how to get your discretionary income and  start investing. The only thing is try and use DCA for your accumulation and I don’t think you will find your investing difficult.

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Today at 05:02:30 PM
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Sure your $100 per week example may well be aggressive (and probably even overaggressive?) if he is investing all of his discretionary income into bitcoin, and surely I advocate to consider all three categories of allocation, even if there may be a lot of weighting towards bitcoin investment, and it would be way more healthy to allocate 80/10/10 to investing, savings and discretionary consumption rather than 100/0/0. It makes little sense to me to fail to allocate anything towards savings and discretionary consumption, and if a person is investing in bitcoin without allocating anything into savings and/or discretionary consumption, then my off the cuff presumption would be that he is overinvesting.

If you are referring to Hypo-15 (thats where majority of us fall) then such person has to invest in Bitcoin and build his emergency funds alongside. In that scenario a person has to break his discretionary income into investing as well as into savings.  

Between my point was that if someone is left with 100$ after allocating funds for monthly expenditures, emergency funds then its best for him to invest major part of that in Bitcoin. As far as discretionary consumption is concerned, I think we can make a compromise on that or we have the liberty to at least reduce them because discretionary consumption is our 'wants' not 'needs'. My smartphone which is years old is still working find and I don't think that buying expensive latest iPhone is good idea rather its better to invest that money in Bitcoin because that will increase its worth over time but iPhone always goes down in price with time.

No one can force any other to invest more or less in Bitcoin, it's someone personal choice. Bitcoin investment done today will give us good return after years and this is why its important to maintain balance between what we need in hand right now vs what we invest for years to come.    

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Today at 06:07:47 PM
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I don't understand this part. There's nothing wrong in buying bitcoin aggressively as long as you have the financial capacity to do that. A person may start his bitcoin accumulation initially and later get an additional source of income. When he gets additional source of income, he may decide to increase his investment amount to fasten his steps to his accumulation goal. Becoming aggressive is a personal choice and it borders on your finances.

Another scenario is that a person may be maintaining a given DCA strategy and eventually gets additional money. What does he do, he will decide the amount to buy bitcoin aggressively while maintaining his long-standing DCA. So there's no point saying that ...you cannot buy bitcoin aggressively. Buying bitcoin needs patience but that does not mean that being patient is against buying bitcoin aggressively as long as you have extra money to invest with out interfering in your basic responsibilities.
What you just said is right, but where some investors get confused is that they mix up aggressive buying with reckless buying. Aggressive buying isn't a problem here when an investor is capable of doing that; that's if there's a solid foundation put in place for such. After the investor must have settled every bill and no loans they owe, in this case your source of income is at peace. Whereas reckless buying is when you aren't using a discretionary income or using money that is above your risk threshold (i.e., money that you cannot afford to lose).

Therefore, before you buy Bitcoin aggressively, one key thing to ask is, let's say the price of Bitcoin drops 50% tomorrow from the point you bought, and eventually you lose your job too, would you panic sell, or would you be fine? So now the answer is left for every individual investor to answer.
Generally and in conclusion, buying aggressively to me is a choice.
Yes, you are right, buying aggressively is basically a personal decision. Investing in Bitcoin does not mean that you have to continue investing even if you face financial problems in real life. Bitcoin is an opportunity for us to become financially independent by investing in the right place. It never gives us permission to make reckless investments. A person invests aggressively only when he understands that this investment will bring him good profits in the future. According to the situation you mentioned, if the price of Bitcoin falls by 50%, most investors will continue to buy aggressively. Because they know that Bitcoin will return to its previous place again. But if I do not have a job at that moment, I will not be able to invest aggressively even if I want to. Many people here will say that if the price of Bitcoin falls so much, then this is a big opportunity for us and we will have to invest aggressively even if we take loans. But I will say that this is a completely personal decision. If someone can make a decent living without a job and doesn't want to miss out on the low price of Bitcoin, they can definitely invest. Not everyone will be able to make the same decision in such a situation. So, aggressive investing is a completely personal decision.

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Today at 06:31:08 PM
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I get your point about how emergency funds is in every investment, but don’t make it sound like a must, there are people who go into investment without having emergency funds.
Are you proclaiming that it is not a must for Bitcoin investors to have emergency funds? you can say it is not a must to have it before you start your Bitcoin accumulation, but once you start your Bitcoin accumulation journey, it is expected of you to build your emergency fund along side with your Bitcoin portfolio, and it is a must if you really want to safeguard your Bitcoin investment, not doing this is like shooting yourself on the foot cause emergencies occurrences takes place unexpectedly and as investors we are to prepare for it, I'm sure  you now know that emergency funds is a must and very necessary.

You are absolutely correct, the fact that we don't need emergency funds before kick starting our Bitcoin investment doesn't mean we don't need it in our investment  so anyone who is thinking we don't need emergency funds at all definitely doesn't know what he or she is saying and it probably means they lack some knowledge about the whole idea of Bitcoin investment. Emergency funds is more like a house foundation, if the foundation is not good enough the building will definitely collapse in a little period of time.
In the long term, having an emergency fund can provide some protection from selling when needed. It can be a rash decision to assume that an investor's plan will fail if they don't have an emergency fund before investing. The reality is quite different. Let's assume that a person has $100 in discretionary income per week after meeting their essential expenses. Let's assume that they don't have an emergency fund. If they want, they can start investing in Bitcoin with a small portion of their discretionary income and put the rest into an emergency fund and personal expenses. This allows a new person who doesn't have an emergency fund to invest and focus on protection at the same time. But when you make it mandatory to invest in an emergency fund at the beginning, you are actually giving them additional conditions that may prevent them from starting to invest.

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Today at 06:53:03 PM
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so i can not advice any investors to engage on trading and as well as holding,
If you cannot advice any investor to hold, then what would you advise them to do?
Holding for the long-term is the best choice for an investor very serious with bitcoin, you have the liberty of accumulating as much bitcoin as possible while you keep holding as long as you still have discretionary income present and you've a chance to preserve the value of your funds for long and even increasing it as the price of bitcoin goes higher.
If an investor cannot hold on then he should first consider his investment objectives and financial situation. Investing does not just mean buying. He also needs to be mentally prepared to endure market fluctuations and uncertainty and hold on to his investment for the long term.

If someone buys and sells with the intention of making a profit then a long-term investment strategy may not be suitable for him. However trading should not be considered a way to make easy money. This requires market analysis, risk management and emotional control. Engaging in leverage or futures trading without experience is very risky.

There is no obligation to hold on to Bitcoin. Everyone has a different risk-taking ability. If someone cannot hold on for the long term, it is not right to force him to go that route. An investment strategy should be chosen that he can follow while maintaining his financial capacity and mental comfort.

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Today at 07:01:31 PM
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Yes, you are right, buying aggressively is basically a personal decision. Investing in Bitcoin does not mean that you have to continue investing even if you face financial problems in real life. Bitcoin is an opportunity for us to become financially independent by investing in the right place. It never gives us permission to make reckless investments. A person invests aggressively only when he understands that this investment will bring him good profits in the future. According to the situation you mentioned, if the price of Bitcoin falls by 50%, most investors will continue to buy aggressively. Because they know that Bitcoin will return to its previous place again. But if I do not have a job at that moment, I will not be able to invest aggressively even if I want to. Many people here will say that if the price of Bitcoin falls so much, then this is a big opportunity for us and we will have to invest aggressively even if we take loans. But I will say that this is a completely personal decision. If someone can make a decent living without a job and doesn't want to miss out on the low price of Bitcoin, they can definitely invest. Not everyone will be able to make the same decision in such a situation. So, aggressive investing is a completely personal decision.

You're right, there comes a time when one might face financial challenges and would have to reduce the percentage of what they invest in Bitcoin until they're able to bounce back financially and adjuct to the earlier amount or something higher, adjusting based on financial challenges is not a bad idea and doesn't mean the investment won't be successful.

 Everyone mustn't be aggressive with their investment it's a decision made based on ones financial capacity, Mr A might be financial capable to do so whereas Mr B isn't, it doesn’t make Mr B less of an investor cause everyone has to invest according to their financial capacity and shouldn't be pressured on doing otherwise.

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Today at 07:14:49 PM
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Therefore, I would suggest that if a person gets $200 per month as discretionary income after meeting all his necessary expenses, he can start buying Bitcoin with a part of that money and at the same time he can spend another part on building an emergency fund and on personal expenses.
Personal expenses should be considered before identifying the remainder as discretionary income. It is a bad investment practice to buy bitcoin when you've not finished attending to your expenses to know the extent of discretionary income you've remaining. If the need for those expenses you previously neglected arises, then you may have no other option than to tap into your holdings or use part of your emergency fund to solve such expenses and both practices are wrong because your portfolio shouldn't be tampered and your emergency fund is reserved for real emergencies and of which your personal expenses is not an emergency.

 
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Today at 07:57:48 PM
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I tend to recommend against all of those, while at the same time suggesting that if guys cannot help themselves in their temptations to trade, gamble and/or shitcoin, then perhaps they should limit their trading/gambling/shitcoining to no more than 10% the size of their total bitcoin time, energies and value. 

Yes.. I understand that gamblers have difficulties controlling themselves, but you never know, there could be some guys who are able to transition successfully from their gambling habits (and practices) and into habits of investing.  Sometimes miracles can happen (with some efforts and perhaps guidelines?).

Some might feels like a trader will always want to act like a trader, by trading anytime he feels like he can outsmart the market, but the truth is that some of these traders do listen, even though they may not admit it openly. I will use myself as an example because I have been trading the derivative market long before I knew of this forum, or a proper way to invest in Bitcoin. But during my stay here I have come to understand that trading is more stressful and less productive than Bitcoin investment that is more productive and less stressful, and it's because of that I focus more on accumulating and building my Bitcoin stash weekly, and even when that urge to trade comes sometimes , I don't see the need to risk more than 10% of my discretionary income because I now sees it like am just trying to take a gamble, but the main reason am saying all this is to make it clear that most of these traders that are focusing more on trading, than investing in Bitcoin are largely doing so because they are not familiar with Bitcoin investment or they are only doing it because of the quest to make quick money, but the moment they are exposed to both and sees how productive investment in Bitcoin is, majority of these traders will definitely give more attention to Bitcoin investment than trading that is of higher risk and less productive, since you can't avoid losing, even though you are a veteran trader.

10% of your discretionary income is quite a bit higher than 10% of your bitcoin investment.. and sure, you can measure it yourself.  Your discretionary income is for 1) investing, 2) saving and/or 3) discretionarily consuming.

Now a person who is getting into investing into bitcoin, he might already have some trading activities (and a trading budget in place), so such a person might feel quite stressed if he feels that he might have to cut down on his already existing trading budget in order to give higher priorities to both bitcoin investing and making sure that his various back up funds are sufficient enough to protect his bitcoin.  So there surely can be some variation in how guys might transition from trading into investing and especially prioritizing the bitcoin investing angle.. so they might not get to their trading proportion being 10% of their bitcoin holdings for some time, but that is up to them in regards to how quickly to transition from trading and into prioritizing bitcoin investing.

By the way, several times I contemplate how traders might cheat in their own determinations of allocations, so for example, if they allocate 90% to bitcoin and 10% to trading (and fucking around with shitcoins, or whatever), and then if they ongoingly lose money in their trading allocation, but then they reallocate from bitcoin from time to time and then end up ongoingly depleting their bitcoin, and so yeah, there can be ways that traders deceive themselves into allocating more to trading than what would be prudent and/or reasonable and then having consequences of ongoingly short-changing and/or depleting their bitcoin while at the same time rationalizing their behaviors by proclaiming that they are fucking around within shitcoins within something like a 10% limitation.

~snip~I tend to recommend against all of those, while at the same time suggesting that if guys cannot help themselves in their temptations to trade, gamble and/or shitcoin, then perhaps they should limit their trading/gambling/shitcoining to no more than 10% the size of their total bitcoin time, energies and value. 

Yes.. I understand that gamblers have difficulties controlling themselves, but you never know, there could be some guys who are able to transition successfully from their gambling habits (and practices) and into habits of investing.  Sometimes miracles can happen (with some efforts and perhaps guidelines?).
You are kind to gamblers, but it is also true that those who are able to successfully convert this 10% into an investment habit can later increase or add another 10% investment in Bitcoin with that money if they wish.

Of course, each of us can do anything that we wish in terms of managing our holdings and/or managing how much we allocate to investing as compared with trading (gambling), shitcoins and/or whatever other dumb shit that we might choose to do.

Even though I did not put a qualifying note in my above-mentioned limitation on the categories of trading (gambling) and/or shitcoining, I am not suggesting that guys fuck around with lying to themselves or fucking around with manipulating their own bitcoin by reallocating from bitcoin and into their trading (gambling) and/or shitcoining whenever they are losing money.... and so yeah, if guys are so unable to control their own inclinations towards gambling, then their own behaviors and/or fucking around is on them rather than my giving them permission to be a degenerate.. and so I hardly give any shits if guys choose to be degenerates, since it is their choice to figure out how to control (or try to control) their own self-destructive inclinations.

However, this decision should be made after knowing everything in advance so that there is no unrest in the mind if the time, money and effort are wasted later.

Huh?  Where do you get these lame ideas that perfect knowledge (or knowing everything) is even possible?  If you had not noticed, each of us tend to operate with quite a bit of imperfect knowledge, even if we happen to be quite smart, observant and/or intuitive, we are still quite limited in the amount we know and/or able to predict.  Normies also tend to allow emotions and/or bad habits and/or bad past practices distort their thinking and impair their actions, whether consciously or unconsciously.

In other words, you come off as delusional if you believe that perfect knowledge can be achieved and/or that investing into bitcoin needs to wait for either perfection in knowledge or making great strives in the direction of perfection of knowledge.

In this thread, many of us (especially yours truly since it is my bitcoin investment ideas thread) recognize/appreciate that there is value in starting to invest in bitcoin from whatever financial and/or knowledge and/or psychological point that we find ourselves, as long as we can determine that we have discretionary funds available to get started investing in bitcoin.  So, frequently guys are going to start investing into bitcoin from a starting point that may well have a lot of imperfections and a lot of things that they might even recognize/appreciate as needing to be fixed, yet the fact that there are a lot of imperfections, the bitcoin newbies (or even the guys who have been in bitcoin for a while) should not be dissuaded from investing into bitcoin (or continuing to invest in bitcoin), even though from time to time, bitcoin investors may well find themselves making adjustments to their investment size or even finding themselves with a decently long list of items that they need to work on (or to try to fix) within their own practices and/or their ways of thinking.
 
On the other hand, those who want to accumulate Bitcoin for the next 5-10 years should focus more on increasing income and following regular DCA instead of constantly monitoring the market. Because there is no guarantee that just by making a profit from trading, you will get better results than long-term holding.

Sure. Nothing wrong with this observation.

It is not the case that if someone separates 10% from Bitcoin investment and trades with it and gains 15%, they will be more profitable than investing in Bitcoin, because at this time, i.e. at the same time, the price of Bitcoin can increase by 30% which means that he is trading at -15% compared to long-term investment.

You seem to be reading too much into the various ways that traders might allocate the trading portion of their portfolio.  Traders have all kinds of latitude in both how they trade and how they might move their funds (or take profits).

For example, I mentioned earlier that guys might already have a trading portfolio at the time that they first decide to start to get involved in bitcoin, and so they have all kinds of options in the various ways that they might "limit" their trading as compared to whatever they decide to do with bitcoin and still stay within some kind of a reasonable 10% allocation to trading as compared with 90% in bitcoin.  They might decide to increase their trading portfolio 10% of the size of their new bitcoin buys every time that they buy bitcoin, or they might decide to NOT allocate anything new to their trading portfolio until their bitcoin investment reaches 9x or 10x larger than their trading portfolio.  You seem a bit delusional if you think that there is no way that traders cannot figure out reasonable ways to limit their trading portfolio as compared with their bitcoin portfolio.  And, yeah sure traders (gamblers) might not be able to completely control any kind of sticking to a plan, but that does not mean that they are not able to organize and set up plans that might even be prudent and/or reasonable that end up degenerating into gambling without following the limitations that they had already set for themselves.

I don't understand this part. There's nothing wrong in buying bitcoin aggressively as long as you have the financial capacity to do that. A person may start his bitcoin accumulation initially and later get an additional source of income. When he gets additional source of income, he may decide to increase his investment amount to fasten his steps to his accumulation goal. Becoming aggressive is a personal choice and it borders on your finances.

Another scenario is that a person may be maintaining a given DCA strategy and eventually gets additional money. What does he do, he will decide the amount to buy bitcoin aggressively while maintaining his long-standing DCA. So there's no point saying that ...you cannot buy bitcoin aggressively. Buying bitcoin needs patience but that does not mean that being patient is against buying bitcoin aggressively as long as you have extra money to invest with out interfering in your basic responsibilities.
What you just said is right, but where some investors get confused is that they mix up aggressive buying with reckless buying. Aggressive buying isn't a problem here when an investor is capable of doing that; that's if there's a solid foundation put in place for such. After the investor must have settled every bill and no loans they owe,

A bitcoin investor can buy bitcoin aggressively, even while he has outstanding bills and/or outstanding loans.  How he prioritizes his payments and/or what he might have to settle on a monthly basis may well have flexibility, and if so, then the guy can decide for himself which matters remain priorities for him.

in this case your source of income is at peace.

Guys can also have irregular source income and/or irregular expenses, and still decide to invest into bitcoin aggressively.  Of course, the more irregular the income/expenses then the more logical, reasonable and/or prudent it may well be to build and maintain larger quantities of back up funds.

Whereas reckless buying is when you aren't using a discretionary income or using money that is above your risk threshold (i.e., money that you cannot afford to lose).

Sure.  Investing beyond what you can afford to lose may well fall into the category of overly aggressive buying of BTC, and also not providing enough of discretionary funds for back up funds and/or for discretionary consumption may well end up putting a person into the category of overly aggressive buying of BTC.

Therefore, before you buy Bitcoin aggressively, one key thing to ask is, let's say the price of Bitcoin drops 50% tomorrow from the point you bought, and eventually you lose your job too, would you panic sell, or would you be fine? So now the answer is left for every individual investor to answer.

Yep.  there may well be ways that guys can run scenarios through their head in order to try to determine if they have enough bitcoin and/or enough back up funds and that they are going to be financially and psychologically comfortable with such future outcomes, and perhaps even thinking through some extreme outcomes that may or may not end up happening.  

It seems to me that each of us should be striving to assess more likely scenarios and give more weight to more likely scenarios that are more likely to play out, yet at the same time we try to set up both our bitcoin investing practices and our cashflow management practices in such ways that we are largely financially and psychologically prepared for both the likely scenarios and also we are prepared for the less likely scenarios.

Generally and in conclusion, buying aggressively to me is a choice.

Yep.  Guys sometimes describe how they spend their discretionary funds as if they were forced into such spending of those funds, when that is not the case.  Sure, we can assign high or low priorities to various ways that we choose to spend our discretionary funds, yet within the name ("discretionary"), we should already realize that "discretionary" means choice, and yeah, even though there may be ways that we feel that we need to spend some of our discretionary funds, such as we feel that we have to go to our sister's birthday party every year in order to preserve our relationship with her and the rest of the family, yet we should still be able to recognize and appreciate the difference between basic expenses and discretionary expenses (sometimes referred to as needs versus wants).

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Today at 10:16:43 PM
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Of course, this thread is about investing and not trading, and many of us recognize that there are a certain number of guys who are going to trade, gamble and/or get sucked into shitcoins.

I tend to recommend against all of those, while at the same time suggesting that if guys cannot help themselves in their temptations to trade, gamble and/or shitcoin, then perhaps they should limit their trading/gambling/shitcoining to no more than 10% the size of their total bitcoin time, energies and value. 

Yes.. I understand that gamblers have difficulties controlling themselves, but you never know, there could be some guys who are able to transition successfully from their gambling habits (and practices) and into habits of investing.  Sometimes miracles can happen (with some efforts and perhaps guidelines?).
I think giving guys the chance to change their ways and mentality about trading is good, especially when guys are interested in buying and trading bitcoin, because some individuals are sucked up in trading of bitcoin. And they’ve not realized that they’re missing out on tremendous opportunities if they’re able to buy and hold bitcoin for a long term, trading is specifically about gambling, and sooner or later guys realize they’re making mistakes when trading bitcoin, which leads to missed opportunities in buying and investing in bitcoin, traders might not be able to control themselves because of quick gains, but when they venture into holding bitcoin for a long term, then they will realize how much opportunity they have missed.

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Today at 10:25:45 PM
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Bitcoin investment should be started with your discretionary income so instead of worrying about building an emergency fund initially, one should start investing with whatever money remains expendable after meeting family expenses, because from my point of view, investing in Bitcoin with money saved for meeting basic needs is very ignorant. However we have to admit that emergency funds are needed to secure bitcoin investments and secure financial security.

You explained the importance of financial security which I understand, but you didn’t mention how folks can build backup funds from their discretionary income.

From your explanation too, I noticed you said they should start investing in Bitcoin with whatever amount that is remaining after meeting basic needs/ expenses. Are you aware you’re not meant to use all your discretionary income to buy Bitcoin? If what is remaining is reasonable enough to split into three parts then the person is good to go. One part for buying Bitcoin, second for building backup funds and third for discretionary consumption. That is it.

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