Who is really controlling the Bitcoin market.

[Slow death]

Of course, some people will say that Elon Musk manipulates the market, but do strong holders really care about his tweets?

at first he managed to manipulate the market in his favor, he made the price increase a lot and then he made the price drop a lot, as he spent a lot of time on twitter this strategy started to become obsolete, people stopped believing in him and as a result he no longer can manipulate the price

To be honest, the question is a bit strange. It is unlikely that anyone can control the market entirely, but it can be regulated. And many people know the keys to this.

OP is talking in terms of manipulating the price, the so called pump and dump

[EdenHazard]

Bitcoin is controlled by china. China is biggest country in the world and there is largest population. China has 4 investors that control 40%+ in Bitcoin.

Really? How would you prove that? Bitcoin can't be controlled by someone since no one owns it but I think what do you mean is China has been manipulating the price of bitcoin since they have 4 bigger investors just like you said. Then, can you explain why they are so against it that they kept throwing fud like banning this and that?

I think this is just the time that people didn't actually fall by their manipulation like releasing the fud dogs that would eventually make the bitcoin market drop or suddenly. Surprisingly, it didn't since people nowadays probably learn their lesson from the past.

I think he means china are really good playing with the sentiment and media, thats how china way to control / manipulate the market , an effort that failed all the time.
it's not always about mathematically controling the market such as having 51% total bitcoin supply , i supposed that what he means.

doing the constant and continuous huge hoax like what china did could be considered as part of what so called controlling the market, besides we never know how much china government holding bitcoin , they are a group of nerd techy guy tho, no wonder we never knew.

[AmoreJaz]

Bitcoin is controlled by china. China is biggest country in the world and there is largest population. China has 4 investors that control 40%+ in Bitcoin.

Really? How would you prove that? Bitcoin can't be controlled by someone since no one owns it but I think what do you mean is China has been manipulating the price of bitcoin since they have 4 bigger investors just like you said. Then, can you explain why they are so against it that they kept throwing fud like banning this and that?

I think this is just the time that people didn't actually fall by their manipulation like releasing the fud dogs that would eventually make the bitcoin market drop or suddenly. Surprisingly, it didn't since people nowadays probably learn their lesson from the past.

I think he means china are really good playing with the sentiment and media, thats how china way to control / manipulate the market , an effort that failed all the time.
it's not always about mathematically controling the market such as having 51% total bitcoin supply , i supposed that what he means.

doing the constant and continuous huge hoax like what china did could be considered as part of what so called controlling the market, besides we never know how much china government holding bitcoin , they are a group of nerd techy guy tho, no wonder we never knew.

for now, we have no clue if they are holding btc or not. even if they declare they are out of crypto, we can never tell if they are holding their own stash or not. if you know chinese, then, you understand that what they are saying is not the absolute truth. but right now, i don't think china has something to do with bitcoin market. i am more on the actual demand and supply concept here.
no one can actually control the btc market. or at least single out certain government or individuals that can influence the price movement. it is a combination of so many factors.

[davis196]

Nobody is controlling the Bitcoin market.However,there might be some people and entities,who can influence the price.For instance,the crypto whales and the crypto exchange platforms could pump the price by buying more BTC or creating panic selling by selling some of their BTC.I remember that some crypto exchange platforms were artificially pumping their trading volume.
It's debatable about what impact fake trading volumes had over the BTC price.
There were speculations about Tether being the main reason behind the massive Bitcoin price growth in the last 4 years.This is a subject for another discussion.
Influencing the price doesn't necessarily mean that they have control over the market.
Nobody can predict the price.The traders are just waiting for the right moment to buy the dip or to sell at another ATH.

[touseefahmad1999]

it,s depend on big whale and investor because alot whales have manipulate the whole crypto market.so nobody can tells us that how much they will more go more down as that technical analysis becomes fails of ahead. some time market so silent and there is not not coming volume in market so that is why due to low volume whole slow and steadily down and break all strong support. so after all over the situation big whales has controls the crypto market . that is why  we should be place order according to market trend

[Dmiller99]

It's controlled by people like me, crypto is futures, it started as a way to import goods from overseas emerging markets.

Alloowing monoplpization of each sector to Walmart enabled consumers to obtain goods cheaper, utilizing brand recognition, clever marketing we leveraged point of sale, return on revenue, sports,, celebrity endorsement, to counter automation and reinvest the expected dividends through Nasdaq, using the scorp (tax loophole) and tech sector. The meta Data was mined, and piggy backed off tax theft, And other financial gains from less reputable sources. It's there to be stolen, so we can trace it, let the stolen funds mature, and a valuation be realized, then law enforcement can seize the funds and use the proceeds to help offset prison reform. Larger gains were used to invest into emerging markets, the economies that produce and ship the goods. To fill the shelves.. our brands maximized Meta Data, marketing
, Hollywood to counter automation and keeps the global supply chain turning.

Misinformation is what you see because is a Ponzi scheme in a way anything you spend must be matched with capital investment directly derived from Direct Roi. And it's set up to fail, eventually replaced by a more broad global trade system.
That's why we used to have to sucker people in with coins that never go like ripple.

[LUCKMCFLY]

We can say that any market can be manipulated, but I expect the Bitcoin market to be less than others, there is a so-called “market maker” which can be some big whales or even large institutions, they play on the psychology of traders and control it indirectly by factors Psychological things such as fear and greed, in the case of fear, for example, they press the price to the lowest level, which causes fear among many traders, and they sell their currencies at cheap prices as a result of fear, and here the market maker buys these quantities at cheap prices.
Therefore, we can say that the market can be predicted somewhat by observing the movements of the market maker or the big players because they are the ones who are manipulating or directing the market movement in general, in addition to, of course, some positive or negative news.

Big whales are always in the position to manipulate the price movement of the market but i think the biggest factor that controls the bitcoin market is its supply and demand. If there is a high demand, its supply will be lessen and definitely we can see its price increase. And since bitcoin is the most in demand crypto in the market, so its not surprising that it holds the highest value among all coins. Also, we have news and social media events that gets to affect the bitcoin market too, and every time negative news hit the market, bitcoin value will be temporarily affected but eventually recover from the  dip after a couple of days.

whales can manipulate the market for a certain period. They can move the market direction at any time but that move is weaker and does not stay for long. They do not have the ability to take control for a long time.
It's supply and demand what is truly controlling the market. If the demand is more than the supply, then the price will increase. This is normal. Again, if the demand is low but the supply is high, it will be just the opposite. If whales had all the power, the market would never have survived

You are right, in fact the whales are responsible for doing the things that in the market can flow as they want, the majority of whales are people who know the heads of the news, of many news networks, and for them to ask a favor that speak well or badly of BTC is something that is nothing, so that is a form of manipulation, because most people see news and are aware of what may happen with their money. At the moment there is a huge fundamental, it is the covid-19 and it is one of the most impressive factors that there is so that at any moment it can be used as a fundamental to raise or lower the price.

[Ararbermas]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

the only one that can control the market are those who have big capital or known as whales and they are the main reason why the growth rate suddenly change and chart becomes very hard to analyse.. So if you don't have enough information how to identify them when it comes trading surely you will end losses always. That's why its always recommended to study the market first before doing anything because you cannot protect your capital when those whales is very active in the market. Knowledge is a must so better educate your self more.

[Abiky]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

I believe the market is controlled by whales, as they're the ones who can do almost anything with their large stake of coins. With Bitcoin, centralized exchanges can easily manipulate the price as they control a large portion of its supply. The situation is even worse with Proof-of-stake altcoins, as not only the price can be manipulated by whales, by also the underlying blockchain network. It's all about money these days, so those with the most amount of money will be able to move the market in their favor. Consider how Dogecoin went to the moon because of Elon Musk's shilling across social media platforms. The same happens with Bitcoin and any other cryptocurrency on the market.

It's not a matter of who's controlling the market, but rather how decentralized Bitcoin is. As long as Bitcoin remains decentralized and censorship-resistant, nothing else matters. Just my thoughts

[Yamifoud]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

I believe the market is controlled by whales, as they're the ones who can do almost anything with their large stake of coins. With Bitcoin, centralized exchanges can easily manipulate the price as they control a large portion of its supply. The situation is even worse with Proof-of-stake altcoins, as not only the price can be manipulated by whales, by also the underlying blockchain network. It's all about money these days, so those with the most amount of money will be able to move the market in their favor. Consider how Dogecoin went to the moon because of Elon Musk's shilling across social media platforms. The same happens with Bitcoin and any other cryptocurrency on the market.

It's not a matter of who's controlling the market, but rather how decentralized Bitcoin is. As long as Bitcoin remains decentralized and censorship-resistant, nothing else matters. Just my thoughts

If that you've said it was fully controlled by whales then it wasn't decentralized anymore. But I guess, not. I tend to agree that whales' participation has a huge influence on the market price, the most common reason for its fluctuation but this never meant they are in the fullest control of the market. They can do things like manipulation as they are incapable of doing it and I understand that, and it is sad to say that we are not at the level where the market is 100% decentralized now, not anymore. And besides, when talking about anonymity, we are also breaching it closely as major crypto exchanges are into the ask of it.

[Sanitough]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

the only one that can control the market are those who have big capital or known as whales and they are the main reason why the growth rate suddenly change and chart becomes very hard to analyse.. So if you don't have enough information how to identify them when it orcomes trading surely youwill end losses always. That's why its always recommended to study the market first before doing anything because you cannot protect your capital when those whales is very active in the market. Knowledge is a must so better educate your self more.

There is nothing we can do with those big whales as they will always manipulate the market whenever they want. And as much as possible, the end result will always be for their own advantage, depriving those regular investors from their own chances.

Well, no one can really control the bitcoin market as it cannot be controlled because its decentralized. But, in most of the times, the higher growth of massive adoption  can create positive price for bitcoin. Also, the market trends and sentiments will always affect the price of bitcoin and altcoins in the crypto market.

[lijiani88588]

In my opinion, although Bitcoin is impossible to be manipulated, because most Bitcoin holders are composed of retail investors, in terms of congenital conditions, discounted retail investors will follow in the footsteps of some bigwigs, such as the founding of Tesla person.
If he sells a large amount of bitcoin in his hand and sends a tweet during a certain period of time, then you will see that the price of bitcoin will change the next day, which is a disguised manipulation of the market.

[Hamphser]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

the only one that can control the market are those who have big capital or known as whales and they are the main reason why the growth rate suddenly change and chart becomes very hard to analyse.. So if you don't have enough information how to identify them when it orcomes trading surely youwill end losses always. That's why its always recommended to study the market first before doing anything because you cannot protect your capital when those whales is very active in the market. Knowledge is a must so better educate your self more.

There is nothing we can do with those big whales as they will always manipulate the market whenever they want. And as much as possible, the end result will always be for their own advantage, depriving those regular investors from their own chances.

Well, no one can really control the bitcoin market as it cannot be controlled because its decentralized. But, in most of the times, the higher growth of massive adoption  can create positive price for bitcoin. Also, the market trends and sentiments will always affect the price of bitcoin and altcoins in the crypto market.

Those whales would be always existing whenever or whatever market you've been dealing with which there's nothing we can do because they would really be jumping into something which they could make out  profits

on having those kind of manipulative kind of acts but its somewhat that possible on having  those influence that they could put through on a certain market neither forex or crypto or stocks.
How to deal with them? Better go with the flow and wont be tending on getting against on the trend because you would definitely be losing up money and somehow
letting go with the flow is the hardest thing to be done.

[nelson4lov]

To be honest, the question is a bit strange. It is unlikely that anyone can control the market entirely, but it can be regulated. And many people know the keys to this.

There's plenty of market participants these days compared to the early days where just a small fraction of investors and traders had the biggest say on where the next direction of the market would be. Even though there would still be big boys and whales in the market, I suspect that their dominance will keep on reducing as more and more people gets involved with Bitcoin and the crypto space.

[dark1234]

To be honest, the question is a bit strange. It is unlikely that anyone can control the market entirely, but it can be regulated. And many people know the keys to this.

There's plenty of market participants these days compared to the early days where just a small fraction of investors and traders had the biggest say on where the next direction of the market would be. Even though there would still be big boys and whales in the market, I suspect that their dominance will keep on reducing as more and more people gets involved with Bitcoin and the crypto space.

any market that happens will be affected by the biggest holders but the market today is a market that is very likely to experience dumps and pumps faster than in previous years because whales and bears are more numerous and even some companies are playing behind the scenes

[nelson4lov]

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any market that happens will be affected by the biggest holders but the market today is a market that is very likely to experience dumps and pumps faster than in previous years because whales and bears are more numerous and even some companies are playing behind the scenes

For sure - the biggest holders would hold the biggest market weight compared to other smaller players. That's exactly how it is in crypto as it is with other financial markets. But the point I was trying to make in mye previous posts was that, back in the day we had just a few big guys like Roger ver playing the market game so if there was ever going to be heavy market manipulation, that was the time. Now, alot of firms and big guys have joined the industry so it would take alot more to move the markets compared to the past.

[EdenHazard]

for now, we have no clue if they are holding btc or not. even if they declare they are out of crypto, we can never tell if they are holding their own stash or not. if you know chinese, then, you understand that what they are saying is not the absolute truth. but right now, i don't think china has something to do with bitcoin market. i am more on the actual demand and supply concept here.
no one can actually control the btc market. or at least single out certain government or individuals that can influence the price movement. it is a combination of so many factors.

Technically if you own the mining farm in a low cost electricity like in china and do get rewarded bitcoin through that mining proccess and you are doing it in large scale .. then splash the money in the market to get the 51% attack , you are good to go to control it despite it's like nearly impossible to do but yeah we speak scenarios ...

as such things are something that nobody can have a sure information , just speculation all the way!

[Shasha80]

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There is nothing we can do with those big whales as they will always manipulate the market whenever they want. And as much as possible, the end result will always be for their own advantage, depriving those regular investors from their own chances.

Well, no one can really control the bitcoin market as it cannot be controlled because its decentralized. But, in most of the times, the higher growth of massive adoption  can create positive price for bitcoin. Also, the market trends and sentiments will always affect the price of bitcoin and altcoins in the crypto market.

Those whales would be always existing whenever or whatever market you've been dealing with which there's nothing we can do because they would really be jumping into something which they could make out  profits

on having those kind of manipulative kind of acts but its somewhat that possible on having  those influence that they could put through on a certain market neither forex or crypto or stocks.
How to deal with them? Better go with the flow and wont be tending on getting against on the trend because you would definitely be losing up money and somehow
letting go with the flow is the hardest thing to be done.

Although whales can manipulate the price of Bitcoin, we don't need to be afraid and have to get used to the presence of whales. As long as
we can understand how Bitcoin works, we will understand when to buy Bitcoin and when to sell Bitcoin. Indeed, due to manipulation by whales,
the market often moves not according to our expectations and that is indeed a risk that we must face. As you said it would be better if we start
to go with the flow, because we will begin to understand the right moment to make a profit. Let the whales do the manipulation, we can't stop
the manipulation of the whales, but as long as we don't panic and can be more patient, everything will be fine.

When whales make a dump, but we must holding Bitcoin we have or buy more Bitcoin, then when the whales make a pump, we immediately sell
the Bitcoins we have when we make a profit. We can also allow the market to be volatile due to manipulation by whales, then we only focus on
holding Bitcoin that we have until the target we have set is achieved. That way we can make a profit too, so there is always a way to make a profit
from Bitcoin.

[kawetsriyanto]

Let the whales do the manipulation, we can't stop the manipulation of the whales, but as long as we don't panic and can be more patient, everything will be fine.

Panic and not patience are normal, not everyone can handle this well. At least, don't rush to decide anything, learn and analyze everything first before deciding something. Many people become victims of whales' manipulation because they rush to sell their coins or buy any coins. Also, the people who don't understand how whales work, probably those who never learned about crypto market trends. That's why learning and research (analysis) are very necessary for investors or traders.

[Botnake]

Let the whales do the manipulation, we can't stop the manipulation of the whales, but as long as we don't panic and can be more patient, everything will be fine.

Panic and not patience are normal, not everyone can handle this well. At least, don't rush to decide anything, learn and analyze everything first before deciding something. Many people become victims of whales' manipulation because they rush to sell their coins or buy any coins. Also, the people who don't understand how whales work, probably those who never learned about crypto market trends. That's why learning and research (analysis) are very necessary for investors or traders.

Weak hands are mostly affected by this whale's manipulation because they easily panic and decide to sell their coins without even thinking its consequence. But if they only went to research first and create good analysis, they will not tend to loss in the end.

The fact that we know bitcoin is decentralized, then no one can control it except for those big whales who are holding significant amount of bitcoin so they tend to manipulate the market. Other than that, those negative news and events create negative effects in the market which will result into sudden decline of the crypto prices.