Who is really controlling the Bitcoin market.

[Richycryp]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

[mk4]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.

Not everyone is necessarily "predicting" it, some are just hoping that a drop would happen so they could buy lower.

Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.

Manipulations happen with markets in general. And while manipulation happens with bitcoin as well, it's not as huge of an effect as most people think; especially that as bitcoin's price rise and changes hands, manipulation gets harder and harder.

The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?

Depends what you specifically mean with "predict" in this case. Most bitcoiners think, not necessarily "predict" that bitcoin will be priced a lot higher in the future, though they know they can't predict short-term movements.

[Upgrade00]

Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.

Any financial market can be manipulated, but with the current size of bitcoin and daily transactions, it is almost impossible to manipulate the price and you could end up just losing your investment.
About no. of investors, it plays a major role along with supply flow.

The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?

Demand and supply are the main market factors and they are influenced by secondary factors such as, news, economic crisis or boom, technical aspects etc. No one can predict the market, but you can make an educated guess, using technical and fundamental analysis.

[Charles-Tim]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading.

You meant investing, and not trading. There are traders predicting the market daily and also frequently trading.

and at the same time nobody can predict the market.

It depends. For example, if there is a massive bear market, then what next? Bull market. Also I can predict now that bitcoin will still reach all-time-high but the time to attain this can be long.

Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.

Very possible the market is manipulated to an extent. Also yes it depends on the extent of adoption. Be it any, no one that invest and leave its bitcoin alone and not sell that will lose, the price can first decrease, but expect increase and all-time-high. This could take time, but it is what you should look up to and not the unnecessary aspect of the market if you want to invest.

The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?

I like to predict based on long term which is all-time-high. Bitcoin will still attain all-time-high but it can be long.

Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?

Some people are expecting bear market all because bitcoin has increased so significantly. Even if there is near market, bull market will follow and all-time-high will later follow as usual.

[franky1]

just saying "supply and demand" is a weak high school F grade students thought.

although there were only 11mill bitcoin in circulation in 2012. the markets had market orders of 1000 coins per order line. so the market supply was HUGE.

in 2021 the bitcoin in general circulation is ~19mill. yet the markets have market orders of under 1btc per order line. so the market supply is small.

back in 2012 there were only really 2-3 exchanges (mtgox, bitstamp, btc-e) so the amount of dollar being deposited into market was huge.
in 2021 there are many dozens of exchanges, meaning the same 'dollar' deposits are diluted and spread out. meaning each market/exchange has less dollar deposited each. meaning the demand per exchange is lower.

what you learn very quickly is it doesnt matter how many coins are in general circulation. what matter is how much coin an average exchange has in its deposit balance to be used for market orders. and when the dollar demand shrinks, so does the market order size of coins shrink. to meet the demand or lack of demand.

this is because coin holders dont want to flood the market with coin, as that would shoot them in the foot and cause a price drop.
if someone wanted to sell 10btc in 2012, it can be done in seconds.
but when the demand(buyer) is low. the seller only sells 0.01btc at a time to not influence a coin flood. and slowly sells coins over a longer period.

..
things that do influence the 'price' is different to what influences the 'value'
imagine the price charts, but instead of 1 line(price) imagine there are 2 lines.
the second line is a hidden line(the value line) which sits way below the price line.

this value line consists of influences like the mining cost, and the amount of coin acquired at certain price points which cause a resistance to drop below a periodic low.

like right now i cant see the price dipping below $20k again. because in pretty much every country no one can mine for under $20k, so no one wants to mine and sell for a loss. and if the price of bitcoin reached $30k you will see the countries with more expensive mining costs decide to just buy coin, thus help prop up the price to avoid it continually decrease.

as for the first line, the visible price line. this is a combination of the acquisition value plus emotional/social speculation. but what you do find is that if you calculated the most expensive country to mine, that cost is under $80k. so no one would want to buy coin for over $80k right now, as its easier for people in all countries to just mine coin cheaper if the price surpassed $80k

so within this $20k-$80k window. is the volatile yo-yo game of speculation.

you cannot predict the price. but if you imagine the 20k to 80k range. and compare it to current price. you can gauge if the price is either near value or near premium. and then you can guess if the sentiment is desirable to buy(near value) or over hyped and ready to sell(near premium)

[Fesatmas]

The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Unfortunately, the concept of predicting is just a hypothesis based on what they analyze from market behavior. nothing is 100% correct. Therefore, if in the end there will be no one who is really right in predicting, we only need to check prices in the futures market. When the limitations of predictions make it difficult for you to know when the market is in a big correction, then wait that there will always be news to inform it all.

[Baofeng]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.

There is a school of thoughts that the whales control the market, but how they control and move everything is the big question. Are they colluding which each other? because I doubt that a single whale can shake up the market is that is what you are trying to say.

The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Basically based on the tenants of economics: supply and demand.

As far as predicting the price, no one can "accurately" says what will be the price. Everyone is just making a wild and educated guess.

[hd49728]

Who in your question is Mr. Market that is made up of many entities which can be person, institutional investors, capital ventures. Together they combine what we have, a very Powerful Mr. Market.

Bitcoin market is better than stock and other markets because you have very transparent public ledger and transactions are on-chain. So if you can do on-chain analyses or you manage to buy membership of good on-chain analytic services, you are on it very accurately and on time.

With on-chain analyses, you can get good overview on what Mr. Market is doing and make your own plans. You can have such transparent analyses in stock or other markets.

[The Cryptovator]

You need to study more at first how Bitcoin works. Then you would learn how Bitcoin prices work as well. Bitcoin price fully depends on the Bitcoin community in short words. Once investors enter Bitcoin means they become a part of the community as well. So investors aren't out of the community. To be more realistic, once a major part of the community thinks they should invest in Bitcoin then demand increases, as a result, Bitcoin prices go up. The same happens when a major part of the community thinks to sell then price start dump and the rest of the community become panicked. That's how Bitcoin price works. There are a few whales that could manipulate the price for a short time, not for a long time.

[DaveF]

One other thing with the BTC / crypto markets that does not exist in others is the ability for just about anyone with a few dollars and an internet connection to get involved with it.
With some obvious exceptions, you can sign up at any one of the dozens (hundreds?) of exchanges, throw in some money and buy and sell crypto. You really cannot do that with other financial instruments.

That makes it a lot more difficult to control / manipulate. Whales can shift it a bit, as can major financial institutions. But you can't control everyone everywhere.

-Dave

[aoluain]

I have heard, read or been told that there is a very low amount of Bitcoin on exchanges,
and as a result it is easy for certain people and/or exchanges to move/manipulate
the market but I'm not sure if that is actually the case but it sounds right to me considering
so many people are HODLing.

[bittraffic]

Everyone who participates in the market but Peter Schiff says it's the whales who basically influence people to buy like Bukele in order for the price to go up and promises the ones they've influenced a good return. I'm not sure to believe that but he could be right after all we participated in this market. If you sold your BTC that means you have also participated in this market.

The difference this time around is that Bitcoin is becoming part of the Macro Finance which basically even the politicians and governments are buying BTC which hard to say the whales are just the only ones who makes the price movement.

[onecall123]

Whales see profits roll in from BTC pumps. After that the market tanks (from what I understand) and that starts the bear market. Even though the term "market manipulation" is quite old, great thing is we've still in good hands. A price of $50k shows that Bitcoin is still following these major patterns. A continuation of this trend seems likely. I'm looking forward to the next few weeks as we're at this point now! We have no idea what's going on. It's time to stop pretending we have no idea what will happen one or two years from now with all these prophetical posts.

[titular]

If you really want to know, the whales are the biggest market drivers. This goes for literally any other market however. Anyone holding an extreme amount of said asset inherently has a lot of control over the price. This is because they are able to flood the market with whatever asset their holding ultimately sending the price downwards.

There's no escaping the big-bag holders.

[Obito]

If you really want to know, the whales are the biggest market drivers. This goes for literally any other market however. Anyone holding an extreme amount of said asset inherently has a lot of control over the price. This is because they are able to flood the market with whatever asset their holding ultimately sending the price downwards.

There's no escaping the big-bag holders.

The combination of all hodlers are also a big factor, the whales base their moves on how the public moves, if there's more demand then they want to jack up the prices and when they feel like it's the right time for them to sell since the market is going crazy. I think everyone who is in the market or is interested in entering the market are the drivers of the market.

[amishmanish]

When does an asset gets hard to "manipulate" and becomes part of efficient markets is probably a question for the academics. The good thing is that as @hd49728 pointed out, all of this information is openly available on the blockchain and several analytic websites have evolved there own parameters for following Bitcoin's price. All of them point to one thing that the Bitcoin market is indeed efficient.

Same cannot be said for crypto in general where whales can easily manipulate prices. The less said about NFT manipulation, the better.

Although Bitcoin trading seems to be stabilized, Bitcoin is still subject to sudden events like an announcement from Musk or extension of ETF grants by SEC. This means that even though people and institutions are using it, the regulatory environment is uncertain enough to cause major shifts.

[tabas]

It's more of everyone can speculate and give their own thoughts about the market. It's free and everybody can do that.

Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?

Not everyone are waiting for the cheaper price of bitcoin. It depends on your goal, if you want to accumulate more, you'll be that person. But if you're already a holder, you're waiting for the increase another ATH.

[yhiaali3]

We can say that any market can be manipulated, but I expect the Bitcoin market to be less than others, there is a so-called “market maker” which can be some big whales or even large institutions, they play on the psychology of traders and control it indirectly by factors Psychological things such as fear and greed, in the case of fear, for example, they press the price to the lowest level, which causes fear among many traders, and they sell their currencies at cheap prices as a result of fear, and here the market maker buys these quantities at cheap prices.
Therefore, we can say that the market can be predicted somewhat by observing the movements of the market maker or the big players because they are the ones who are manipulating or directing the market movement in general, in addition to, of course, some positive or negative news.

[mm2543363580]

Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.

Every market can be manipulated that is centralized thats why we see stock market is controlled by big brokers. Likewise centralized crypto trading on exchanges are manipulated by whales who have big share of bitcoin. Recently bitcoin market was manipulated by Musk tweet, which causes bitcoin falling from 50k to 30k

[Distinctin]

We can say that any market can be manipulated, but I expect the Bitcoin market to be less than others, there is a so-called “market maker” which can be some big whales or even large institutions, they play on the psychology of traders and control it indirectly by factors Psychological things such as fear and greed, in the case of fear, for example, they press the price to the lowest level, which causes fear among many traders, and they sell their currencies at cheap prices as a result of fear, and here the market maker buys these quantities at cheap prices.
Therefore, we can say that the market can be predicted somewhat by observing the movements of the market maker or the big players because they are the ones who are manipulating or directing the market movement in general, in addition to, of course, some positive or negative news.

Big whales are always in the position to manipulate the price movement of the market but i think the biggest factor that controls the bitcoin market is its supply and demand. If there is a high demand, its supply will be lessen and definitely we can see its price increase. And since bitcoin is the most in demand crypto in the market, so its not surprising that it holds the highest value among all coins. Also, we have news and social media events that gets to affect the bitcoin market too, and every time negative news hit the market, bitcoin value will be temporarily affected but eventually recover from the  dip after a couple of days.

[TheNineClub]

Of course, the market is being manipulated, that's what Adam Smith calls the invisible hand of the market In all seriousness, there are a lot of factors that manipulate the market directly or indirectly.  So I'd say that's an integral part of the whole concept. And crypto is no exception. But as for some entity controlling it, that would be impossible due to a multitude of factors that make up the market equasion.

[stadus]

Of course, the market is being manipulated, that's what Adam Smith calls the invisible hand of the market In all seriousness, there are a lot of factors that manipulate the market directly or indirectly.  So I'd say that's an integral part of the whole concept. And crypto is no exception. But as for some entity controlling it, that would be impossible due to a multitude of factors that make up the market equasion.

Crypto has been known to be controlled by the whales, whoever holds a good number of bitcoin can control the market. The hype and FUD is one of the main reasons for the high market volatility, the whales can dictate what they want to for the market, that's why sometimes even if the news says something positive, we might still see the market is struggling, that's a clear sign of manipulation, things don't correlate sometimes.

[Tumanggor]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

because you are a newbie then questions like this are very good for you to ask

we all control the bitcoin market. bitcoin prices cannot be predicted, everyone can only use technical analysis to try to predict future bitcoin prices with accuracy below 70%

bitcoin is not much different from other investment assets where the price can be manipulated by the whales by buying in large quantities or selling in large quantities, all that happens because bitcoin is a decentralized asset, so there is no bitcoin price regulation

[Kasabus]

Of course, the market is being manipulated, that's what Adam Smith calls the invisible hand of the market In all seriousness, there are a lot of factors that manipulate the market directly or indirectly.  So I'd say that's an integral part of the whole concept. And crypto is no exception. But as for some entity controlling it, that would be impossible due to a multitude of factors that make up the market equasion.

Crypto has been known to be controlled by the whales, whoever holds a good number of bitcoin can control the market. The hype and FUD is one of the main reasons for the high market volatility, the whales can dictate what they want to for the market, that's why sometimes even if the news says something positive, we might still see the market is struggling, that's a clear sign of manipulation, things don't correlate sometimes.

Whales have always the advantage in the market because whenever they want to manipulate the market and turn it into bearish temporarily, they can really do it so they can make a good entry in the market. But considering bitcoin, it's less manipulative than altcoin market since we all know that bitcoin at the present is mostly backed with big and strong institutions. For altcoins, its always the ground for manipulation so it experienced more price sidewards than bitcoin that makes it more risky to invest compared to bitcoin.

[Slow death]

Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.

The market is not being manipulated

There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.

we all understand this market, at least people who trade or put money in this market take time to research and understand

The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?

technical analysts try to predict the market

[Fredomago]

Of course, the market is being manipulated, that's what Adam Smith calls the invisible hand of the market In all seriousness, there are a lot of factors that manipulate the market directly or indirectly.  So I'd say that's an integral part of the whole concept. And crypto is no exception. But as for some entity controlling it, that would be impossible due to a multitude of factors that make up the market equasion.

Crypto has been known to be controlled by the whales, whoever holds a good number of bitcoin can control the market. The hype and FUD is one of the main reasons for the high market volatility, the whales can dictate what they want to for the market, that's why sometimes even if the news says something positive, we might still see the market is struggling, that's a clear sign of manipulation, things don't correlate sometimes.

Whales have always the advantage in the market because whenever they want to manipulate the market and turn it into bearish temporarily, they can really do it so they can make a good entry in the market. But considering bitcoin, it's less manipulative than altcoin market since we all know that bitcoin at the present is mostly backed with big and strong institutions. For altcoins, its always the ground for manipulation so it experienced more price sidewards than bitcoin that makes it more risky to invest compared to bitcoin.

Considering the value of Bitcoin and those institutional investors, whales still have the influence, but they are also concern if how institutional investors will move. The chance to lose is also possible once there are no big moves from strong holders. Though once the market suffered and more fears take place, whales can easily grab all those cheap coins and start to pump it back.

We are witnessing how Bitcoin is really being appreciated, adoptions and usages are now making its way to reach more possible
investors and end users.

[Iranus]

We can say that any market can be manipulated, but I expect the Bitcoin market to be less than others, there is a so-called “market maker” which can be some big whales or even large institutions, they play on the psychology of traders and control it indirectly by factors Psychological things such as fear and greed, in the case of fear, for example, they press the price to the lowest level, which causes fear among many traders, and they sell their currencies at cheap prices as a result of fear, and here the market maker buys these quantities at cheap prices.
Therefore, we can say that the market can be predicted somewhat by observing the movements of the market maker or the big players because they are the ones who are manipulating or directing the market movement in general, in addition to, of course, some positive or negative news.

Big whales are always in the position to manipulate the price movement of the market but i think the biggest factor that controls the bitcoin market is its supply and demand. If there is a high demand, its supply will be lessen and definitely we can see its price increase. And since bitcoin is the most in demand crypto in the market, so its not surprising that it holds the highest value among all coins. Also, we have news and social media events that gets to affect the bitcoin market too, and every time negative news hit the market, bitcoin value will be temporarily affected but eventually recover from the  dip after a couple of days.

whales can manipulate the market for a certain period. They can move the market direction at any time but that move is weaker and does not stay for long. They do not have the ability to take control for a long time.
It's supply and demand what is truly controlling the market. If the demand is more than the supply, then the price will increase. This is normal. Again, if the demand is low but the supply is high, it will be just the opposite. If whales had all the power, the market would never have survived

[Ryker1]

Whales have always the advantage in the market because whenever they want to manipulate the market and turn it into bearish temporarily, they can really do it so they can make a good entry in the market. But considering bitcoin, it's less manipulative than altcoin market since we all know that bitcoin at the present is mostly backed with big and strong institutions. For altcoins, its always the ground for manipulation so it experienced more price sidewards than bitcoin that makes it more risky to invest compared to bitcoin.

Well that is right --whales are very common bitcoin price manipulators but that is easy as that since bitcoin has a high volume in the market which means it is hard to manipulate it. It could be losing your fund and perhaps has a potential you are just wasting your time. We are it seems like in the fish pond we had a different kind of fish there is small and there's big fish that you will see. Now, the big fish will surely eat those small fish when is are those smallholders not like big fish which represent as a whale. So therefore a single whale could have an effect on the entire market, it will surely create a pump and dump.

[24Kt]

We can say that any market can be manipulated, but I expect the Bitcoin market to be less than others, there is a so-called “market maker” which can be some big whales or even large institutions, they play on the psychology of traders and control it indirectly by factors Psychological things such as fear and greed, in the case of fear, for example, they press the price to the lowest level, which causes fear among many traders, and they sell their currencies at cheap prices as a result of fear, and here the market maker buys these quantities at cheap prices.
Therefore, we can say that the market can be predicted somewhat by observing the movements of the market maker or the big players because they are the ones who are manipulating or directing the market movement in general, in addition to, of course, some positive or negative news.

Big whales are always in the position to manipulate the price movement of the market but i think the biggest factor that controls the bitcoin market is its supply and demand. If there is a high demand, its supply will be lessen and definitely we can see its price increase. And since bitcoin is the most in demand crypto in the market, so its not surprising that it holds the highest value among all coins. Also, we have news and social media events that gets to affect the bitcoin market too, and every time negative news hit the market, bitcoin value will be temporarily affected but eventually recover from the  dip after a couple of days.

whales can manipulate the market for a certain period. They can move the market direction at any time but that move is weaker and does not stay for long. They do not have the ability to take control for a long time.
It's supply and demand what is truly controlling the market. If the demand is more than the supply, then the price will increase. This is normal. Again, if the demand is low but the supply is high, it will be just the opposite. If whales had all the power, the market would never have survived

This is true, even if there are so many whales in this market, they can't sustain the manipulation in this btc market because it is huge. Aside from that, not all whales are simultaneously doing the manipulation, so usually their impact is minimal and short. Would be hard for them to unite at one point because high likely they don't know each other. So yeah, there's no one who can really control the btc market. As you said, it is more on the supply and demand concept. It is the combination of all stakeholders and factors revolving in each situation.

[darewaller]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?

That’s why you’re not to believe anything you see. The market cannot really be predicted by anyone, rather what they do most of the time is just speculation. But of course there have been a few times that these predictions were right, though it is not something that happens all the time you would hardly see it happen.

When you see people saying that the price of bitcoin would go up, that’s because they simply believe that there will be much demand in the market to shoot the price up to the level where it should be. And of course it does happen, the demand would increase and there will as well be increase in the price.

[DeathAngel]

Nobody controls the BTC market. Sure there are times when a whale or group of whales can move the market by dumping a load of coins or shorting in unison. A country can even ban bitcoin which, as we saw earlier in the year with China can be bad for the price.
Ultimately though nobody controls bitcoin, the market will always settle & a fair market price is found. We are seeing that at the moment, no FUD, no manipulation. The fair price of 1BTC seems to be around $50,000.

[Vaculin]

Nobody controls the BTC market. Sure there are times when a whale or group of whales can move the market by dumping a load of coins or shorting in unison. A country can even ban bitcoin which, as we saw earlier in the year with China can be bad for the price.
Ultimately though nobody controls bitcoin, the market will always settle & a fair market price is found. We are seeing that at the moment, no FUD, no manipulation. The fair price of 1BTC seems to be around $50,000.

Bitcoin is already at a surge today with its price at $51,117 and hopefully it will skyrocket soon so we can witness its new ATH before this year ends.

Basically, i do believe that bitcoin price is more on its supply and demand. When majority of the holders are thinking to sell their bitcoin, it will create a dump price for bitcoin after that but it will also recover easily. Although there are big whales that are manipulating the market ever since, but i can say that its effect on the market is only temporary. The rest are just part of the cycle that bitcoin and altcoins are experiencing bullish or bearish trend, every time after a correction happens.

[Kelvinid]

It is always been a question of who is controlling the market or are we manipulated or not in which it was no right/wrong answer as we believe that the market itself making prices fluctuates as its own. In fact, we all want to see the market in bullish but the bear season still comes.
How the manipulation comes when we know that Bitcoin is decentralized?

Everything looks different compared to 10 years ago. FUDs, manipulations, whales participation...got to see that it wasn't fully decentralized as all of these things I've mentioned are really affecting the entire market, not only for Bitcoin.

[sheenshane]

It is always been a question of who is controlling the market or are we manipulated or not in which it was no right/wrong answer as we believe that the market itself making prices fluctuates as its own. In fact, we all want to see the market in bullish but the bear season still comes.


Everything looks different compared to 10 years ago. FUDs, manipulations, whales participation...got to see that it wasn't fully decentralized as all of these things I've mentioned are really affecting the entire market, not only for Bitcoin.

It truly comes from the demand and supply which is the price of Bitcoin makes fluctuate.  It means nobody controls the Bitcoin market.
There's no clear answer about manipulations, though I've heard this so many times about the whales and I think the way they manipulate the market is just spreading the FUDs which is if this strategy of them will have an effect, it will surely shake the market price because of new investors are easy to trick and to believe the FUD.

How the manipulation comes when we know that Bitcoin is decentralized?

From time to time Bitcoin gained trust by most investors institutional or individual, the more it becomes expensive the more it's tougher to manipulate by them.

[lalabotax]

No people really control the market, but whales or a group of big traders have the power to dump-pump the price. Sometimes the demand can be created by spreading good or bad issues. If people are influenced by the issues, they may be interested to buy more or prefer to hold their capital, depending on what issue it is. Whales or big traders won't do this all the time, that's why I said no people fully control the crypto market.

[GeorgeJohn]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.

from my conception into cryptocurrency and most especially bitcoin, their is no time you go into bitcoin to purchase is wrong time...i found those who are waiting for the price to stabilize before going into trading really have target of making surplus profit, but some people are not like that, in cryptocurrency you have to follow your method of making profit, because what favoured another person might not favour you, it's what i grab in cryptocurrency methods of trading.

Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.

the manipulation i seen there is just the demand and supply in the market, the gravity of the demand is higher than the supply, definitely the market will skyrocket, thinking that is an external manipulate in bitcoin, i think its a fallacy.

The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?

prediction of bitcoin never be accurate, and depending on prediction can contribute a massive lost into your market, because their is a lot procrastination in cryptocurrency and slight negative information can contribute to the downstream of it

Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?

A good investor, an experience investor doesn't look into degradation of bitcoin before purchasing, before it can wait for decrements of altcoins before purchasing, because in Bitcoin their is every tendency that it will get accelerated, just waiting for time frame before it could resurrect to initial point... while in altcoins the possibilities that it will remain degraded for time is there.

[Accardo]

Igor and Grichka Bogdanoff claim that they can manipulate the Cryptocurrency market after Bizonnacci Made a meme video of one of the twin calling Vitalik to pump ethereum after a person bought Tether on dip but began to cry when the price kept falling then vitalik pumped ethereum and the person switched to ethereum then tether started rising again. It's a fun video but, you will learn from it.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV5QlSgq7lg

Anybody knows the whereabout of BIZONACCI?

[Mpamaegbu]

Of course, the market is being manipulated, that's what Adam Smith calls the invisible hand of the market In all seriousness, there are a lot of factors that manipulate the market directly or indirectly.  So I'd say that's an integral part of the whole concept. And crypto is no exception. But as for some entity controlling it, that would be impossible due to a multitude of factors that make up the market equasion.

That's my position too if we agree on the accusation of the indirect manipulation of the market. Bitcoin is a decentralised and community driven crypto and what people take to be manipulation is when whales sell off. They say it as if whales should seek anyone's permission before disposing their coins. If whales sell off and micro hodlers decide to go on a panic sale, no one should see that as manipulation or control. Maybe not as direct effect of manipulation. We can take into cognizance the aftermath of their action, even if they decide to rebuy from the crash. That isn't controlling the Bitcoin market at all. I think it should be something along the line of knowing one's business and when to take advantage of it.

[Akash1243]

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

[DoublerHunter]

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

^ Definitely right, as the as other investments when it comes to the market price BTC is also can be manipulated when it comes to the price but if someone who will ask who controlled BTC, there is no single entity who is controlling BTC or even a company behind the BTC because BTC is decentralized and controlled on it. Some reason why whale takes such actions, making fake news that makes traders becomes FUD and FOMO in order to that new investors will be afraid and sell their holding coins that become too lowes the price.

[omone1]

Bitcoin market is now a huge financial market and all eyes are on it because of its high volatility. It's easy to make money from a very volatile market, you make money either up or down. I sometimes think there are some level of manipulations, this market is mostly been driven by fundamental analysis, this can render any TA useless. A news become a strong tool of manipulation in the hands of institutions.

[AakZaki]

No people really control the market, but whales or a group of big traders have the power to dump-pump the price. Sometimes the demand can be created by spreading good or bad issues. If people are influenced by the issues, they may be interested to buy more or prefer to hold their capital, depending on what issue it is. Whales or big traders won't do this all the time, that's why I said no people fully control the crypto market.

Whales  does have some control over crypto by leveraging the big media to spread some good and bad issues. This will certainly affect the fundamentals that are synchronized with the current market conditions. it is very easy for whales to manipulate the market, because they have a lot of money to do that. never go against the grain, follow the whale and we will be safe.

[haasanjui]

Bitcoin is controlled by china. China is biggest country in the world and there is largest population. China has 4 investors that control 40%+ in Bitcoin.

[mindrust]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Whales are moving the markets. There are many early adopters that hold thousands of bitcoins. They can move the markets in whatever direction they want Big exchange owners probably also own many coins. It is the same in other non-crypto markets. Big money eats small money and gets bigger. Small money tries to take a bite from the big whale and every once in a while they get away with it but then the whale opens its mouth wide open and swallows all he small fish around.

[Minor Miner]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Whales are moving the markets. There are many early adopters that hold thousands of bitcoins. They can move the markets in whatever direction they want Big exchange owners probably also own many coins. It is the same in other non-crypto markets. Big money eats small money and gets bigger. Small money tries to take a bite from the big whale and every once in a while they get away with it but then the whale opens its mouth wide open and swallows all he small fish around.

Whales can move the markets at a certain time when bad or good news rumoring. Otherwise, they don't have much power to control the overall market.

Only supply and demand are the major factors which are lying behind the scene, only supply and demand can move the market in any direction strongly.
Adept can't sell his Bitcoin at unfair pricing, only noobs and miners can do that, When miners have no supply or less supply the price gradually has been grown.
When negative news comes, it makes the market a little uncertain, whales just give a little wind and noobs/miners start selling, the price gradually has been fallen.

[ven7net]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Initially, I believed that the price of BTC was driven by demand, but over the past few years I have seen that the price of BTC is being manipulated. Who is doing this? First of all, these are large crypto exchanges and funds. I also believe that they do this not of their own free will, but on instructions, but who exactly gives such instructions I cannot say because I don’t know. And it is clear that this information is closed and hardly anyone can know 100% who is the customer of the BTC pumps and dumps. In any case, demand no longer affects the price of BTC, since there are off-the-shelf platforms where you can buy BTC at a fixed price, and not at the exchange price, which means someone can buy BTC at a low price, after which there is a custom pump and a profit is made. These are just my guesses, maybe everything works in a completely different way.

[Oasisman]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Whales are moving the markets. There are many early adopters that hold thousands of bitcoins. They can move the markets in whatever direction they want Big exchange owners probably also own many coins. It is the same in other non-crypto markets. Big money eats small money and gets bigger. Small money tries to take a bite from the big whale and every once in a while they get away with it but then the whale opens its mouth wide open and swallows all he small fish around.

That's how it works in every investment/market that exist today not only in Cryptocurrency. However, whales most probably will gain thousands of folds in profit when they successfully manipulate either one of the alts or even Bitcoin than the other investment platform.
Moreover, Bitcoin might not be an easier asset to be manipulated by whales today than most of the alts in the market, that's why most of these influencers and big names in financial industry mostly targeting alts to hype them up to try manipulating the price.

[freedomgo]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Initially, I believed that the price of BTC was driven by demand, but over the past few years I have seen that the price of BTC is being manipulated. Who is doing this? First of all, these are large crypto exchanges and funds. I also believe that they do this not of their own free will, but on instructions, but who exactly gives such instructions I cannot say because I don’t know. And it is clear that this information is closed and hardly anyone can know 100% who is the customer of the BTC pumps and dumps. In any case, demand no longer affects the price of BTC, since there are off-the-shelf platforms where you can buy BTC at a fixed price, and not at the exchange price, which means someone can buy BTC at a low price, after which there is a custom pump and a profit is made. These are just my guesses, maybe everything works in a completely different way.

For me, no one is capable to control the market, except for those big whales that are holding significant amount of bitcoin as they are always manipulating the market. Also, bitcoin market can be controlled by its own supply and demand. When you see many investors are buying bitcoin, the supply will lessen but will create a higher value for bitcoin. Now, if many will sell bitcoin especially at a bull run, its value is expected to dump a little but definitely recovers after some time.

Yes, big whales are always in a good position to manipulate the market since they are holding a huge amount of bitcoin. But aside from that, there are those sudden news and events that will also control the market and sometimes when its really affected, it creates price dumps. Also, the biggest factor that i think can control the bitcoin market is the law of supply and demand. Usually, if there are significant number of people who will use bitcoin, then it will create a positive price for bitcoin as its massive adoption also increases.

[adzino]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.

You are correct. No one can "accurately" predict the market. and yep, they are waiting for the price to go down. But for that they don't have to predict anything, they just wait for it to dip and then invest (and most of the people belonging to that group regrets a lot).

Now is the market been manipulated?

There is no market in the world that isn't manipulated. The same goes for the bitcoin and crypto currency market. It gets manipulated too. FUDs are spread throughout the community to cause the price to crash. Whales try to manipulate the market. But all these doesn't have a long term affect on the price. The price eventually recovers and gets back in track within short period of time. As more people starts to use bitcoin and it becomes mainstream, it would become more harder for the market to manipulate.

[bitcoworld]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

According to on chain metrics, the exchanges are the biggest holders they have a lot of Power IMO

[so98nn]

Actually bitcoin being a free market I don’t think anyone can control it so easily. What I mean is to control the bitcoin one would need huge impact on the society first, and secondly one would need billions of dollars to invest and manipulate (pump method). The second one is straight away not possible as after putting that much money too no one can get any spark in the bitcoin movement. The reason is very simple, bitcoin market is over trillions of dollars thus has no impact. The first reason keeps happening but at lower pace and now a days peeps are very smart enough to not get influenced by anything that come there way. So ultimately controlling is difficult. It’s just go with the flow coin now.

[ranochigo]

Your exchanges. The nature of Bitcoin makes exchanges loosely regulated and that there isn't proper regulations in several jurisdictions. There has been cases of exchanges intentionally influencing Bitcoin's price (MtGox), not that there is really any concurrent manipulation but that isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

[panukurap]

It is very difficult to predict the market or even impossible, but at least we have an effort to do it just in case. Or it could be that the analysis we are doing is correct but the probability is small. This is already known to many people but there are still many who are members of it. This shows that there is still a positive side that can be taken, without negative things there will be no positive things and vice versa. Therefore we must be able to make the best use of time and circumstances.

[Ziskinberg]

It is very difficult to predict the market or even impossible, but at least we have an effort to do it just in case. Or it could be that the analysis we are doing is correct but the probability is small. This is already known to many people but there are still many who are members of it. This shows that there is still a positive side that can be taken, without negative things there will be no positive things and vice versa. Therefore we must be able to make the best use of time and circumstances.

Well, it all has the effort as we take time on it but the question is how close it was to the reality? Coz, I don't think so.
I'm not actually to put blame everything on whales who are suspected to be the one who controls or manipulate the market. That possible be one factor but seeing many instances that the market moves unpredictably, I simply do not.
Apparently, we are aware of the situation that manipulation can be happening in the market at any time. And even the weak hands who pull the trigger for the price to dump is also a big factor, not just anyone who has the influence.

[Dhaniii]

Your exchanges. The nature of Bitcoin makes exchanges loosely regulated and that there isn't proper regulations in several jurisdictions. There has been cases of exchanges intentionally influencing Bitcoin's price (MtGox), not that there is really any concurrent manipulation but that isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

I don't think the bitcoin market can regulate it, let alone control it. the bitcoin market can only follow the rhythm of online media which is often done by certain people, be it negative or positive media so that the market often changes due to these issues.

[ultrloa]

Bitcoin is controlled by china. China is biggest country in the world and there is largest population. China has 4 investors that control 40%+ in Bitcoin.

Really? How would you prove that? Bitcoin can't be controlled by someone since no one owns it but I think what do you mean is China has been manipulating the price of bitcoin since they have 4 bigger investors just like you said. Then, can you explain why they are so against it that they kept throwing fud like banning this and that?

I think this is just the time that people didn't actually fall by their manipulation like releasing the fud dogs that would eventually make the bitcoin market drop or suddenly. Surprisingly, it didn't since people nowadays probably learn their lesson from the past.

[pawanjain]

Bitcoin being decentralized is very volatile in nature. Anybody can buy and sell howsoever they want.
The freedom to control your own money was clearly shown since bitcoin was created. So nobody else but all of us are controlling the bitcoin market.
Basically, it depends on us. It depends on how much we buy and sell at a given instance.
But there are some influencers who influence other people to buy and sell their coins which triggers a manipulative market these days.
Over time their influence over people will decrease and the market will mature.

[Pahom]

Actually, Bitcoin has no influencers that can manipulate the price. I mean that for example in terms of Ethereum it is Vitalik Buterin who can influence a lot on a Bitcoin's price. Nevertheless, there can be different news that have impact on people so they pump or dump it. Of course, some people will say that Elon Musk manipulates the market, but do strong holders really care about his tweets?

[Ziskinberg]

Actually, Bitcoin has no influencers that can manipulate the price. I mean that for example in terms of Ethereum it is Vitalik Buterin who can influence a lot on a Bitcoin's price. Nevertheless, there can be different news that have impact on people so they pump or dump it. Of course, some people will say that Elon Musk manipulates the market, but do strong holders really care about his tweets?

If the manipulation would result in an increase of value, then they do care because they are holding with the goal to see a good price so they can sell. Though we cannot pinpoint who really is manipulating the market, it's very obvious that the whales do manipulate based on the price movement of bitcoin, the high volatility is the living proof that manipulation is happening.

[kaya11]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

No one can predict it's price, if in the past maybe someone did, then it is just a coincidence I tell you. See how feds are continuously printing money? It is non stop, just this factor alone is a solid proof that BTC will go higher as months and years go by. Another is the 2024 halving is near, 2 years at our current time is like months, times flies so fast you wouldn't even feel a year have passed. Well halving does gives positive impact on BTC's price.
If new comers are waiting for BTC's price to go down then they will have to wait for Satoshi Nakamoto's account of 1 Million BTC to go live and trade those coins, and as far as I know, 13 years have passed and still no news about him being found.

[Slow death]

Of course, some people will say that Elon Musk manipulates the market, but do strong holders really care about his tweets?

at first he managed to manipulate the market in his favor, he made the price increase a lot and then he made the price drop a lot, as he spent a lot of time on twitter this strategy started to become obsolete, people stopped believing in him and as a result he no longer can manipulate the price

To be honest, the question is a bit strange. It is unlikely that anyone can control the market entirely, but it can be regulated. And many people know the keys to this.

OP is talking in terms of manipulating the price, the so called pump and dump

[EdenHazard]

Bitcoin is controlled by china. China is biggest country in the world and there is largest population. China has 4 investors that control 40%+ in Bitcoin.

Really? How would you prove that? Bitcoin can't be controlled by someone since no one owns it but I think what do you mean is China has been manipulating the price of bitcoin since they have 4 bigger investors just like you said. Then, can you explain why they are so against it that they kept throwing fud like banning this and that?

I think this is just the time that people didn't actually fall by their manipulation like releasing the fud dogs that would eventually make the bitcoin market drop or suddenly. Surprisingly, it didn't since people nowadays probably learn their lesson from the past.

I think he means china are really good playing with the sentiment and media, thats how china way to control / manipulate the market , an effort that failed all the time.
it's not always about mathematically controling the market such as having 51% total bitcoin supply , i supposed that what he means.

doing the constant and continuous huge hoax like what china did could be considered as part of what so called controlling the market, besides we never know how much china government holding bitcoin , they are a group of nerd techy guy tho, no wonder we never knew.

[AmoreJaz]

Bitcoin is controlled by china. China is biggest country in the world and there is largest population. China has 4 investors that control 40%+ in Bitcoin.

Really? How would you prove that? Bitcoin can't be controlled by someone since no one owns it but I think what do you mean is China has been manipulating the price of bitcoin since they have 4 bigger investors just like you said. Then, can you explain why they are so against it that they kept throwing fud like banning this and that?

I think this is just the time that people didn't actually fall by their manipulation like releasing the fud dogs that would eventually make the bitcoin market drop or suddenly. Surprisingly, it didn't since people nowadays probably learn their lesson from the past.

I think he means china are really good playing with the sentiment and media, thats how china way to control / manipulate the market , an effort that failed all the time.
it's not always about mathematically controling the market such as having 51% total bitcoin supply , i supposed that what he means.

doing the constant and continuous huge hoax like what china did could be considered as part of what so called controlling the market, besides we never know how much china government holding bitcoin , they are a group of nerd techy guy tho, no wonder we never knew.

for now, we have no clue if they are holding btc or not. even if they declare they are out of crypto, we can never tell if they are holding their own stash or not. if you know chinese, then, you understand that what they are saying is not the absolute truth. but right now, i don't think china has something to do with bitcoin market. i am more on the actual demand and supply concept here.
no one can actually control the btc market. or at least single out certain government or individuals that can influence the price movement. it is a combination of so many factors.

[davis196]

Nobody is controlling the Bitcoin market.However,there might be some people and entities,who can influence the price.For instance,the crypto whales and the crypto exchange platforms could pump the price by buying more BTC or creating panic selling by selling some of their BTC.I remember that some crypto exchange platforms were artificially pumping their trading volume.
It's debatable about what impact fake trading volumes had over the BTC price.
There were speculations about Tether being the main reason behind the massive Bitcoin price growth in the last 4 years.This is a subject for another discussion.
Influencing the price doesn't necessarily mean that they have control over the market.
Nobody can predict the price.The traders are just waiting for the right moment to buy the dip or to sell at another ATH.

[touseefahmad1999]

it,s depend on big whale and investor because alot whales have manipulate the whole crypto market.so nobody can tells us that how much they will more go more down as that technical analysis becomes fails of ahead. some time market so silent and there is not not coming volume in market so that is why due to low volume whole slow and steadily down and break all strong support. so after all over the situation big whales has controls the crypto market . that is why  we should be place order according to market trend

[Dmiller99]

It's controlled by people like me, crypto is futures, it started as a way to import goods from overseas emerging markets.

Alloowing monoplpization of each sector to Walmart enabled consumers to obtain goods cheaper, utilizing brand recognition, clever marketing we leveraged point of sale, return on revenue, sports,, celebrity endorsement, to counter automation and reinvest the expected dividends through Nasdaq, using the scorp (tax loophole) and tech sector. The meta Data was mined, and piggy backed off tax theft, And other financial gains from less reputable sources. It's there to be stolen, so we can trace it, let the stolen funds mature, and a valuation be realized, then law enforcement can seize the funds and use the proceeds to help offset prison reform. Larger gains were used to invest into emerging markets, the economies that produce and ship the goods. To fill the shelves.. our brands maximized Meta Data, marketing
, Hollywood to counter automation and keeps the global supply chain turning.

Misinformation is what you see because is a Ponzi scheme in a way anything you spend must be matched with capital investment directly derived from Direct Roi. And it's set up to fail, eventually replaced by a more broad global trade system.
That's why we used to have to sucker people in with coins that never go like ripple.

[LUCKMCFLY]

We can say that any market can be manipulated, but I expect the Bitcoin market to be less than others, there is a so-called “market maker” which can be some big whales or even large institutions, they play on the psychology of traders and control it indirectly by factors Psychological things such as fear and greed, in the case of fear, for example, they press the price to the lowest level, which causes fear among many traders, and they sell their currencies at cheap prices as a result of fear, and here the market maker buys these quantities at cheap prices.
Therefore, we can say that the market can be predicted somewhat by observing the movements of the market maker or the big players because they are the ones who are manipulating or directing the market movement in general, in addition to, of course, some positive or negative news.

Big whales are always in the position to manipulate the price movement of the market but i think the biggest factor that controls the bitcoin market is its supply and demand. If there is a high demand, its supply will be lessen and definitely we can see its price increase. And since bitcoin is the most in demand crypto in the market, so its not surprising that it holds the highest value among all coins. Also, we have news and social media events that gets to affect the bitcoin market too, and every time negative news hit the market, bitcoin value will be temporarily affected but eventually recover from the  dip after a couple of days.

whales can manipulate the market for a certain period. They can move the market direction at any time but that move is weaker and does not stay for long. They do not have the ability to take control for a long time.
It's supply and demand what is truly controlling the market. If the demand is more than the supply, then the price will increase. This is normal. Again, if the demand is low but the supply is high, it will be just the opposite. If whales had all the power, the market would never have survived

You are right, in fact the whales are responsible for doing the things that in the market can flow as they want, the majority of whales are people who know the heads of the news, of many news networks, and for them to ask a favor that speak well or badly of BTC is something that is nothing, so that is a form of manipulation, because most people see news and are aware of what may happen with their money. At the moment there is a huge fundamental, it is the covid-19 and it is one of the most impressive factors that there is so that at any moment it can be used as a fundamental to raise or lower the price.

[Ararbermas]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

the only one that can control the market are those who have big capital or known as whales and they are the main reason why the growth rate suddenly change and chart becomes very hard to analyse.. So if you don't have enough information how to identify them when it comes trading surely you will end losses always. That's why its always recommended to study the market first before doing anything because you cannot protect your capital when those whales is very active in the market. Knowledge is a must so better educate your self more.

[Abiky]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

I believe the market is controlled by whales, as they're the ones who can do almost anything with their large stake of coins. With Bitcoin, centralized exchanges can easily manipulate the price as they control a large portion of its supply. The situation is even worse with Proof-of-stake altcoins, as not only the price can be manipulated by whales, by also the underlying blockchain network. It's all about money these days, so those with the most amount of money will be able to move the market in their favor. Consider how Dogecoin went to the moon because of Elon Musk's shilling across social media platforms. The same happens with Bitcoin and any other cryptocurrency on the market.

It's not a matter of who's controlling the market, but rather how decentralized Bitcoin is. As long as Bitcoin remains decentralized and censorship-resistant, nothing else matters. Just my thoughts

[Yamifoud]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

I believe the market is controlled by whales, as they're the ones who can do almost anything with their large stake of coins. With Bitcoin, centralized exchanges can easily manipulate the price as they control a large portion of its supply. The situation is even worse with Proof-of-stake altcoins, as not only the price can be manipulated by whales, by also the underlying blockchain network. It's all about money these days, so those with the most amount of money will be able to move the market in their favor. Consider how Dogecoin went to the moon because of Elon Musk's shilling across social media platforms. The same happens with Bitcoin and any other cryptocurrency on the market.

It's not a matter of who's controlling the market, but rather how decentralized Bitcoin is. As long as Bitcoin remains decentralized and censorship-resistant, nothing else matters. Just my thoughts

If that you've said it was fully controlled by whales then it wasn't decentralized anymore. But I guess, not. I tend to agree that whales' participation has a huge influence on the market price, the most common reason for its fluctuation but this never meant they are in the fullest control of the market. They can do things like manipulation as they are incapable of doing it and I understand that, and it is sad to say that we are not at the level where the market is 100% decentralized now, not anymore. And besides, when talking about anonymity, we are also breaching it closely as major crypto exchanges are into the ask of it.

[Sanitough]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

the only one that can control the market are those who have big capital or known as whales and they are the main reason why the growth rate suddenly change and chart becomes very hard to analyse.. So if you don't have enough information how to identify them when it orcomes trading surely youwill end losses always. That's why its always recommended to study the market first before doing anything because you cannot protect your capital when those whales is very active in the market. Knowledge is a must so better educate your self more.

There is nothing we can do with those big whales as they will always manipulate the market whenever they want. And as much as possible, the end result will always be for their own advantage, depriving those regular investors from their own chances.

Well, no one can really control the bitcoin market as it cannot be controlled because its decentralized. But, in most of the times, the higher growth of massive adoption  can create positive price for bitcoin. Also, the market trends and sentiments will always affect the price of bitcoin and altcoins in the crypto market.

[lijiani88588]

In my opinion, although Bitcoin is impossible to be manipulated, because most Bitcoin holders are composed of retail investors, in terms of congenital conditions, discounted retail investors will follow in the footsteps of some bigwigs, such as the founding of Tesla person.
If he sells a large amount of bitcoin in his hand and sends a tweet during a certain period of time, then you will see that the price of bitcoin will change the next day, which is a disguised manipulation of the market.

[Hamphser]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

the only one that can control the market are those who have big capital or known as whales and they are the main reason why the growth rate suddenly change and chart becomes very hard to analyse.. So if you don't have enough information how to identify them when it orcomes trading surely youwill end losses always. That's why its always recommended to study the market first before doing anything because you cannot protect your capital when those whales is very active in the market. Knowledge is a must so better educate your self more.

There is nothing we can do with those big whales as they will always manipulate the market whenever they want. And as much as possible, the end result will always be for their own advantage, depriving those regular investors from their own chances.

Well, no one can really control the bitcoin market as it cannot be controlled because its decentralized. But, in most of the times, the higher growth of massive adoption  can create positive price for bitcoin. Also, the market trends and sentiments will always affect the price of bitcoin and altcoins in the crypto market.

Those whales would be always existing whenever or whatever market you've been dealing with which there's nothing we can do because they would really be jumping into something which they could make out  profits

on having those kind of manipulative kind of acts but its somewhat that possible on having  those influence that they could put through on a certain market neither forex or crypto or stocks.
How to deal with them? Better go with the flow and wont be tending on getting against on the trend because you would definitely be losing up money and somehow
letting go with the flow is the hardest thing to be done.

[nelson4lov]

To be honest, the question is a bit strange. It is unlikely that anyone can control the market entirely, but it can be regulated. And many people know the keys to this.

There's plenty of market participants these days compared to the early days where just a small fraction of investors and traders had the biggest say on where the next direction of the market would be. Even though there would still be big boys and whales in the market, I suspect that their dominance will keep on reducing as more and more people gets involved with Bitcoin and the crypto space.

[dark1234]

To be honest, the question is a bit strange. It is unlikely that anyone can control the market entirely, but it can be regulated. And many people know the keys to this.

There's plenty of market participants these days compared to the early days where just a small fraction of investors and traders had the biggest say on where the next direction of the market would be. Even though there would still be big boys and whales in the market, I suspect that their dominance will keep on reducing as more and more people gets involved with Bitcoin and the crypto space.

any market that happens will be affected by the biggest holders but the market today is a market that is very likely to experience dumps and pumps faster than in previous years because whales and bears are more numerous and even some companies are playing behind the scenes

[nelson4lov]

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any market that happens will be affected by the biggest holders but the market today is a market that is very likely to experience dumps and pumps faster than in previous years because whales and bears are more numerous and even some companies are playing behind the scenes

For sure - the biggest holders would hold the biggest market weight compared to other smaller players. That's exactly how it is in crypto as it is with other financial markets. But the point I was trying to make in mye previous posts was that, back in the day we had just a few big guys like Roger ver playing the market game so if there was ever going to be heavy market manipulation, that was the time. Now, alot of firms and big guys have joined the industry so it would take alot more to move the markets compared to the past.

[EdenHazard]

for now, we have no clue if they are holding btc or not. even if they declare they are out of crypto, we can never tell if they are holding their own stash or not. if you know chinese, then, you understand that what they are saying is not the absolute truth. but right now, i don't think china has something to do with bitcoin market. i am more on the actual demand and supply concept here.
no one can actually control the btc market. or at least single out certain government or individuals that can influence the price movement. it is a combination of so many factors.

Technically if you own the mining farm in a low cost electricity like in china and do get rewarded bitcoin through that mining proccess and you are doing it in large scale .. then splash the money in the market to get the 51% attack , you are good to go to control it despite it's like nearly impossible to do but yeah we speak scenarios ...

as such things are something that nobody can have a sure information , just speculation all the way!

[Shasha80]

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There is nothing we can do with those big whales as they will always manipulate the market whenever they want. And as much as possible, the end result will always be for their own advantage, depriving those regular investors from their own chances.

Well, no one can really control the bitcoin market as it cannot be controlled because its decentralized. But, in most of the times, the higher growth of massive adoption  can create positive price for bitcoin. Also, the market trends and sentiments will always affect the price of bitcoin and altcoins in the crypto market.

Those whales would be always existing whenever or whatever market you've been dealing with which there's nothing we can do because they would really be jumping into something which they could make out  profits

on having those kind of manipulative kind of acts but its somewhat that possible on having  those influence that they could put through on a certain market neither forex or crypto or stocks.
How to deal with them? Better go with the flow and wont be tending on getting against on the trend because you would definitely be losing up money and somehow
letting go with the flow is the hardest thing to be done.

Although whales can manipulate the price of Bitcoin, we don't need to be afraid and have to get used to the presence of whales. As long as
we can understand how Bitcoin works, we will understand when to buy Bitcoin and when to sell Bitcoin. Indeed, due to manipulation by whales,
the market often moves not according to our expectations and that is indeed a risk that we must face. As you said it would be better if we start
to go with the flow, because we will begin to understand the right moment to make a profit. Let the whales do the manipulation, we can't stop
the manipulation of the whales, but as long as we don't panic and can be more patient, everything will be fine.

When whales make a dump, but we must holding Bitcoin we have or buy more Bitcoin, then when the whales make a pump, we immediately sell
the Bitcoins we have when we make a profit. We can also allow the market to be volatile due to manipulation by whales, then we only focus on
holding Bitcoin that we have until the target we have set is achieved. That way we can make a profit too, so there is always a way to make a profit
from Bitcoin.

[kawetsriyanto]

Let the whales do the manipulation, we can't stop the manipulation of the whales, but as long as we don't panic and can be more patient, everything will be fine.

Panic and not patience are normal, not everyone can handle this well. At least, don't rush to decide anything, learn and analyze everything first before deciding something. Many people become victims of whales' manipulation because they rush to sell their coins or buy any coins. Also, the people who don't understand how whales work, probably those who never learned about crypto market trends. That's why learning and research (analysis) are very necessary for investors or traders.

[Botnake]

Let the whales do the manipulation, we can't stop the manipulation of the whales, but as long as we don't panic and can be more patient, everything will be fine.

Panic and not patience are normal, not everyone can handle this well. At least, don't rush to decide anything, learn and analyze everything first before deciding something. Many people become victims of whales' manipulation because they rush to sell their coins or buy any coins. Also, the people who don't understand how whales work, probably those who never learned about crypto market trends. That's why learning and research (analysis) are very necessary for investors or traders.

Weak hands are mostly affected by this whale's manipulation because they easily panic and decide to sell their coins without even thinking its consequence. But if they only went to research first and create good analysis, they will not tend to loss in the end.

The fact that we know bitcoin is decentralized, then no one can control it except for those big whales who are holding significant amount of bitcoin so they tend to manipulate the market. Other than that, those negative news and events create negative effects in the market which will result into sudden decline of the crypto prices.

[Abiky]

Panic and not patience are normal, not everyone can handle this well. At least, don't rush to decide anything, learn and analyze everything first before deciding something. Many people become victims of whales' manipulation because they rush to sell their coins or buy any coins. Also, the people who don't understand how whales work, probably those who never learned about crypto market trends. That's why learning and research (analysis) are very necessary for investors or traders.

Of course. You should never be intimidated by whales' market manipulation, since they only do what they consider best for their pockets. If you're smart, you'd take advantage of Bitcoin's ups and downs to make profit in the short term. It's all about playing the game in order to become financially independent in this wild and crazy world of crypto.

Believe me, not all that glitters is Gold. There are tons of coins that are hyped, but not all of them provide real use cases in the mainstream world. "Meme" coins like Dogecoin and Shiba Inu are basically useless, since their price is only driven by speculation. Not like Bitcoin where price is driven by real demand. The pioneer cryptocurrency is extremely useful as a store of value and a cross-border payment system that is censorship-resistant. It doesn't matter if it goes down the drain now, since the best is yet to come. As long as you buy low and sell high, you'd have nothing to worry about. Just my thoughts

[Finestream]

Let the whales do the manipulation, we can't stop the manipulation of the whales, but as long as we don't panic and can be more patient, everything will be fine.

Panic and not patience are normal, not everyone can handle this well. At least, don't rush to decide anything, learn and analyze everything first before deciding something. Many people become victims of whales' manipulation because they rush to sell their coins or buy any coins. Also, the people who don't understand how whales work, probably those who never learned about crypto market trends. That's why learning and research (analysis) are very necessary for investors or traders.

There's no way we can stop the whales' manipulation, so its either we'll learn to ride with it and make profits. But for most newbies, this brings more threat for them so they easily panic and resort into panic selling and create losses in the end.

However, no one can control the bitcoin market and even create a precise prediction for its price. Although everyone has the right to predict, but not everyone is able to make right predictions  as we are just into wild speculations and educated guesses.

[dunfida]

Let the whales do the manipulation, we can't stop the manipulation of the whales, but as long as we don't panic and can be more patient, everything will be fine.

Panic and not patience are normal, not everyone can handle this well. At least, don't rush to decide anything, learn and analyze everything first before deciding something. Many people become victims of whales' manipulation because they rush to sell their coins or buy any coins. Also, the people who don't understand how whales work, probably those who never learned about crypto market trends. That's why learning and research (analysis) are very necessary for investors or traders.

There's no way we can stop the whales' manipulation, so its either we'll learn to ride with it and make profits. But for most newbies, this brings more threat for them so they easily panic and resort into panic selling and create losses in the end.

However, no one can control the bitcoin market and even create a precise prediction for its price. Although everyone has the right to predict, but not everyone is able to make right predictions  as we are just into wild speculations and educated guesses.

Manipulative kind of act would be always a whales specialty whenever they do see opportunities for them to make profits then this is where they do make out involvement and there's no way to stop those big players

on the top on making out significant move which could really make out some significant impact on the market but somewhat this market isnt something that could be easily be controlled considering the circulation

doesnt only rotates on them or simply it has circulated around the community which means it is not 100% that they would really be leading off.

[kawetsriyanto]

Weak hands are mostly affected by this whale's manipulation because they easily panic and decide to sell their coins without even thinking its consequence. But if they only went to research first and create good analysis, they will not tend to loss in the end.

Indeed. Weak hands or those people who have lack knowledge about crypto market, probably are affected by the manipulation since they don't understand it. While experienced holders and smart people who always analyze the situation carefully, won't be affected because they know that it is only manipulation made by the hungry whales.

~ those negative news and events create negative effects in the market which will result into sudden decline of the crypto prices.

Those negative issues are probably created by the whales, then they spread the issue on the forum or social media. They know some people can be panic about the issues, so they can take advantage of it. Sadly, still many people can be affected because they are not careful enough to analyze the issues.

As long as you buy low and sell high, you'd have nothing to worry about. Just my thoughts

100% correct. Even you are affected, as long as selling at a higher price you still make profits. 

[Dhaniii]

I think it's about who has more power over the market and who can control the bitcoin market at the moment. For that I can analyze according to the current market condition if the market can be controlled by the owner of the largest asset holder.

[Danydee]

It is unknown at this time what he will do after leaving the post.We can see that the bitcoin market is going up and down a lot now. The market would be very stable if we knew exactly who is controlling this market.

the market would be more stable, or very stable, if he's use for transacting, payments.. etc. is greater..
the equation is simple:
more regular transactions = bigger velocity = price more stable .

I think it's about who has more power over the market and who can control the bitcoin market at the moment. For that I can analyze according to the current market condition if the market can be controlled by the owner of the largest asset holder.

what power are you talking about? It should be more relevant to talk about common interests!

[worle1bm]

Market can be manipulated by many ways but small investors can't do such things but most probably whales with thousands of coins with them do so like selling at top which creates the prices to dip a little and rest panic sellers and newbies do in their favour by dumping their coins and in return whales again buy at dips and accumulate more.That is why it is said weak hands sold to strong.The FUD is another concept which creates market sell off but we can't say it is controlled by anyone because it's not as this is the beauty of decentralisation.

[Questat]

Market can be manipulated by many ways but small investors can't do such things but most probably whales with thousands of coins with them do so like selling at top which creates the prices to dip a little and rest panic sellers and newbies do in their favour by dumping their coins and in return whales again buy at dips and accumulate more.That is why it is said weak hands sold to strong.The FUD is another concept which creates market sell off but we can't say it is controlled by anyone because it's not as this is the beauty of decentralisation.

We always put blame on these whales as they are capable of doing it...in many ways. But why we should have to think this as to whether we like it or not, manipulation will certainly exist. And besides, people are too happy with the situation where the market isn't stable. Having the chance to buy low and sell high, I'd preferred to have this manipulation thing than nothing.
I don't mind who is controlling the market as for the fact that we are still benefiting from the hypes and lows that these people made.

[virasog]

However, no one can control the bitcoin market and even create a precise prediction for its price. Although everyone has the right to predict, but not everyone is able to make right predictions  as we are just into wild speculations and educated guesses.

Ideally no one should control the bitcoin price but in reality, the whales are still in control and they can move the market up and down. The biggest whales these days are the exchanges. The exchanges can easily manipulate the prices because they have a lot of funds and also they can easily liquidate people and getting more rich. The futures market is all about bitcoin price manipulation.

[Distinctin]

However, no one can control the bitcoin market and even create a precise prediction for its price. Although everyone has the right to predict, but not everyone is able to make right predictions  as we are just into wild speculations and educated guesses.

Ideally no one should control the bitcoin price but in reality, the whales are still in control and they can move the market up and down. The biggest whales these days are the exchanges. The exchanges can easily manipulate the prices because they have a lot of funds and also they can easily liquidate people and getting more rich. The futures market is all about bitcoin price manipulation.

if the exchanges are manipulating their own exchange then that is against the law, they should be reported to the regulators. Actually, I don't believe that because exchanges like Binance which is one of the biggest if not the biggest are already making a lot of money from trading fees due to a huge trading volume they have, so they don't need to do such thing that would put their business into compromise.

[uneng]

It is unknown at this time what he will do after leaving the post.We can see that the bitcoin market is going up and down a lot now. The market would be very stable if we knew exactly who is controlling this market.

the market would be more stable, or very stable, if he's use for transacting, payments.. etc. is greater..
the equation is simple:
more regular transactions = bigger velocity = price more stable .

That is a good idea, but still very scarcely adopted right now, even though bitcoin is already almost 14 years old. I think what should happen in order to increase bitcoin usage as currency is to offer discounts for purchases made through bitcoin. If businesses are able to do this many people will convert their local currencies into bitcoin, just to take advantage of the promotions and this way adoption will fastly increase like never before.
The point so far is that it doesn't make sense for people to use bitcoin in their daily life as payment method, because fiat totally supplies their demands, but once an attractive is created and offered to bitcoin enthusiasts, this scenario completely changes.

So in the end of the day we have a much more stable bitcoin resistant to whales' manipulation.

[Danydee]

It is unknown at this time what he will do after leaving the post.We can see that the bitcoin market is going up and down a lot now. The market would be very stable if we knew exactly who is controlling this market.

the market would be more stable, or very stable, if he's use for transacting, payments.. etc. is greater..
the equation is simple:
more regular transactions = bigger velocity = price more stable .

That is a good idea, but still very scarcely adopted right now, even though bitcoin is already almost 14 years old. I think what should happen in order to increase bitcoin usage as currency is to offer discounts for purchases made through bitcoin. If businesses are able to do this many people will convert their local currencies into bitcoin, just to take advantage of the promotions and this way adoption will fastly increase like never before.
The point so far is that it doesn't make sense for people to use bitcoin in their daily life as payment method, because fiat totally supplies their demands, but once an attractive is created and offered to bitcoin enthusiasts, this scenario completely changes.

So in the end of the day we have a much more stable bitcoin resistant to whales' manipulation.

 Yes, maybe payment processors (like those who provide sellers with the possibility to accept cryptos) maybe partenaring and managing with some companies specialized in trading can provide a kind of these promotions..

 That's not all, recently I figured that in some places paying with cryptos can be more profitable than using a credit cards or other common methods, especially paying for goods internationally.. so in some countries currency conversion rates go over 10% fees between buy and sell price, so in final you get all your purchases majored by over 10% the original price.

[lixer]

recently I figured that in some places paying with cryptos can be more profitable than using a credit cards or other common methods, especially paying for goods internationally.. so in some countries currency conversion rates go over 10% fees between buy and sell price, so in final you get all your purchases majored by over 10% the original price.

That’s right. I usually tell people that it doesn’t really matter which currency you’re making use of, it is all about the situation you’re into and which one of them would serve you better, you simply make use of that. I usually use myself as an example; I have a remote job and working for a company that is in a different country which I can only visit once in a while. And before I discovered Bitcoin I would usually receive my money through bank or any of those payment methods such as PayPal, and Payoneer, which usually cost fees for me.

But, since I discovered and told my country to be paying me in bitcoin, I have been receiving my payment same minute and stands to gain more because I don’t have to pay fees, rather I even make more money after I have sold my coins at black market rate using local exchanges. So it’s usually all about where a particular currency would serve you best and you can make use of it there.

[dezoel]

There are lot of things that can determine where the market is really heading to. Basically, it is the more that we have the demands, the more the price is going to increase. But that doesn’t mean that manipulation can’t take place. Manipulation means that the market is being played to be in favour of the perpetrators. They make attempts that affects the supply and demand in the market. And if you look at it, it still goes down to that same supply and demand, these people are tampering with the supply and demand which will in turn affect the market price to favour themselves.

So, with this we can see that it is all about demand and supply, but there are still events that takes place to affect the demand and supply. It’s just like when there was covid-19 and the market went down in price. That is because the demand in the market was affected by this event and led to people selling their assets, and this in turn leads to the market dropping in price.

[Woodie]

When you hear issues to do with control, mostly people are referencing to the hand most governments have in the running of the state owned currency but unlike fiat... control lies in the people which is influenced by supply and demand mainly and some influence comes from external factors such as financial policy, a bit of political control here and there. But ultimately control of most cryptocurrencies comes from its users, the people.

[Peanutswar]

Bitcoin is decentralized the reason why it looks controlled by somebody is because of the large investors we called as whales and the community itself as long as the bitcoin is still supported and in the market, many people will still make a trade, hold,  buy and sell those assets to earn profit. No one knows what will happen in the market but we can have a speculation through the data given from the previous years and the charts.

[tulusikhlas]

When you hear issues to do with control, mostly people are referencing to the hand most governments have in the running of the state owned currency but unlike fiat... control lies in the people which is influenced by supply and demand mainly and some influence comes from external factors such as financial policy, a bit of political control here and there. But ultimately control of most cryptocurrencies comes from its users, the people.

Bitcoin holders have great power to control the market. Although what you say above is true, government policies that slightly irritate bitcoin also have an effect. But the influence is not so great compared to the holder. I think when a country talks about bitcoin, there is an advantage in it, because then many people are curious. From that curiosity I think not a few people will be interested.

[Abiky]

Ideally no one should control the bitcoin price but in reality, the whales are still in control and they can move the market up and down. The biggest whales these days are the exchanges. The exchanges can easily manipulate the prices because they have a lot of funds and also they can easily liquidate people and getting more rich. The futures market is all about bitcoin price manipulation.

Not only exchanges but miners & stakers too. There's lots of money to be made, so expect constant price manipulation by these entities. This really doesn't matter, since Bitcoin was never about the price. What really matters is decentralization & censorship-resistance. Bitcoin serving its purpose as a decentralized cryptocurrency anyone can use worldwide, is more than enough for it to succeed in the long term. Price-wise, you should take every opportunity possible to make profit. There will be ups and downs, but if you manage to play the game, you'll be on a road towards financial success.

Hopefully, the market will stabilize in the future as regulations come into play. The bigger the crypto market grows, the more attention it'll bring to mainstream governments. Regulations are inevitable, so whales' game will not last for long. Just my thoughts

[LUCKMCFLY]

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

^ Definitely right, as the as other investments when it comes to the market price BTC is also can be manipulated when it comes to the price but if someone who will ask who controlled BTC, there is no single entity who is controlling BTC or even a company behind the BTC because BTC is decentralized and controlled on it. Some reason why whale takes such actions, making fake news that makes traders becomes FUD and FOMO in order to that new investors will be afraid and sell their holding coins that become too lowes the price.

You are right and this is the beauty of the BTC market, many seek support, just as they do in the Stock Market, but the support of BTC I think is its Blockchain technology, its support is in the Law of Supply and Demand, the whales of BTC, the fact that it is not controlled by anyone is what makes this unique and as if this economy did not belong to this world, it is an alternate economy where debt ends and inflation does not exist, I think who want to move the BTC market is because you have a good amount of money, and one of these things is "emotions" emotions move the market as they want, they are affected by fundamentals and different news that have a global impact, sometimes even by certain people who tend to be influential in the world.

[Ebede]

When you hear issues to do with control, mostly people are referencing to the hand most governments have in the running of the state owned currency but unlike fiat... control lies in the people which is influenced by supply and demand mainly and some influence comes from external factors such as financial policy, a bit of political control here and there. But ultimately control of most cryptocurrencies comes from its users, the people.

Bitcoin holders have great power to control the market. Although what you say above is true, government policies that slightly irritate bitcoin also have an effect. But the influence is not so great compared to the holder. I think when a country talks about bitcoin, there is an advantage in it, because then many people are curious. From that curiosity I think not a few people will be interested.

Bitcoin is not centralized that some body can control, if holders possessed the power to control Bitcoin that means Bitcoin is not decentralized again, their can only decide not to release their Bitcoin but that does not mean they have the power to control Bitcoin particularly, i understand you but try and understand my explanation

[Mamun74]

BTC is not centralized that someone can control it.I think bitcoin holders have good power control the crypto market. Decentralization will never be stable it goes Up and down.Bitcoin is most popular coin and most valuable coin right now.Since 2017-2020 Bitcoin price was around little but look at 2021 Bitcoin price reached $66k+.I think bitcoin price will be more increase in future.

[kotajikikox]

Bitcoin is decentralized the reason why it looks controlled by somebody is because of the large investors we called as whales and the community itself as long as the bitcoin is still supported and in the market, many people will still make a trade, hold,  buy and sell those assets to earn profit. No one knows what will happen in the market but we can have a speculation through the data given from the previous years and the charts.

you forgot to mention the Miners mate in which one group that has been part of the circulation and in some chance also made some significant in the movement of Bitcoin .
but of course it is the whales that make it most matter because from the beginning they are the one who's being accused of market manipulations.
I sometimes believe that idea though sometimes i am not .

[Anonylz]

As long as whales keep holding their position in the 'whale kingdom' they will always have the power to control the market, from the look of things, btc whale will continue to have this power of the market since not very many people can afford to buy big amount of btc because of the high price, the early adopters already have a big advantage because they have the chance to buy btc at a very low rate compare to now that the price is so high. This is how it will be.

[btc78]

The market is controlled by all of us , its just happened that we as small investors has no same action so the whales are succeeding in manipulating but if we will only have one stand? contributing our small investment will surely make it matter.

Because when whales starts to move the market down, many of small investors become scared and sell their coins making the act of whales favoring them as they can purchase in lower value, same as when they start to Pump? we tend to buy and buy and then they will full out their funds and again they are successful .

[AicecreaME]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

There's nothing certain in the world of cryptocurrency. Hence, most people use and do technical analysis to somehow see and "predict" what might happen to the trend of the coin in the next few hours, days, weeks, months, or even years. you have to remember that the market dictates the price position of a coin. If the demand is high, supply is low, the price value will be high. If the demand is low and there is enough supply or even more, then the price value will be low. The simple law of supply and demand is one of the factors why the trend of a coin is like that. Another factor could be the season of the market. In crypto, we have two seasons that we could utilize to our own advantage which are the bullish and bearish seasons. In these seasons, the positions are completely opposite. In bearish, the price of almost every coin is a dump, meanwhile, is bullish, you can see pumps. So you should also consider if you are planning to invest in the kind of season the crypto market is currently in to avoid regrets.

There are also people who we call whales who can play the massive pump and dump of the price of a coin. These are the people who either drop a big amount of coins or hoard them in which affects the price position of the coin in the market. There are also other external factors such as big personalities stating their stance and whatnots which could affect the market most especially if they have a wide audience (newbies) that easily believes whatever they has to say.

[amishmanish]

Most of the investors (including me) indeed wait for the price to go down. The nature of bitcoin, or the nature of cryptocurrencies, is that the more it goes down, the more chances of its increase. Back in 2017, we all just lost hope for bitcoin. It Was almost dead, but later, it broke all the records, and the final price went to $60,000. We don't always wait. We also build hope.

The movements and the possible fortunes of the market are difficult to understand for even experts, but as you point out; It has indeed been established as something that people want enough for it to bounce back. It's always good time to buy Bitcoin because it is the strongest and the only truly decentralized cryptocurrency going around.

The dip due to rumors of Fed rate revisions, geopolitical circumstances in Kazakhstan and the Omicron variant brought markets down everywhere and these apprehensions seem to be behind the pullback. Yet, going by the trend, it will come back. TLDR; I think it's a good time to stack sats from a long term investment point of view.

[Gasty4]

 I think the rise and fall of Bitcoin has to do with growth and acceptance of Bitcoin.
With the total number of people using bitcoin, advocating about it, I think this helps in controlling the market.
A positive news about Bitcoin now will send the Bitcoin price higher.

[goldkingcoiner]

The more people adopt Bitcoin, the less "control" from single entities. Although I very much doubt anyone has a lot of control over Bitcoin. But then again, even if there was a someone in charge, we would probably be able to see certain signs and clues. Bitcoin is too decentralised and too spread. Unlike fiat, there is absolutely no way to retroactively gain control of it or to hack it. The only way you could really be in control is if you planned for it in the earliest days of bitcoin when it was still new and unadopted.

[ChiBitCTy]

This is the same thing as other financial markets. Or any other financial market for that matter. Sure there are normally groups of whales that can in large move markets but normally, depending on how mature that market is, only a slight amount. Otherwise markets work exactly how you said, they move based on buys / sells.

[Wawa2013]

Big whales are always in the position to manipulate the price movement of the market but i think the biggest factor that controls the bitcoin market is its supply and demand. If there is a high demand, its supply will be lessen and definitely we can see its price increase. And since bitcoin is the most in demand crypto in the market, so its not surprising that it holds the highest value among all coins. Also, we have news and social media events that gets to affect the bitcoin market too, and every time negative news hit the market, bitcoin value will be temporarily affected but eventually recover from the  dip after a couple of days.

We really have to be careful with whales, because whales often manipulate to control the Bitcoin market. As we know Bitcoin price movements are
based on supply and demand, therefore those who have large capital like whales can control the market. But because the increase in Bitcoin in 2021 is
very high, now the price of Bitcoin is very expensive to be controlled by the whales. Therefore, the decline in the price of Bitcoin now is because
many investors are taking profit, so don't panic too much when we see the market today. However, I am sure that investors who have taken profit
will definitely buy Bitcoin again and eventually the price of Bitcoin will rise again. Therefore people who can be patient holding Bitcoin, then
the opportunity to generate profit is wide open. Because Bitcoin can always recover, even if the decline is very deep.

[amihada]

bitcoin can't be controlled bitcoin is free but if someone like Elon Musk made a tweet maybe the market will change because Elon Musk is one of the influential people he can be able to increase the price of coin memes like Coin Doge it's proven that the market can be played by Elon.

[KaliLinux]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Yeah, people predict the market but to me, it is more like hoping that the market will go down to buy more and go up after that mostly because of what they must have seen via TAs but TAs ain't always the ultimate determinant of market movement even though on a normal situation they are good indicators. As we have seen these past days when most were thinking the market is about to have an upward rally and boom Bitcoin is affected by the Wall street dump of stocks because of fear of what might be the outcome of the FOMC meeting in the coming days. But true, I believe that there are times when the whales kinda manipulate the market for their own gains, and this can't be ruled out. 

[Rufsilf]

We really have to be careful with whales, because whales often manipulate to control the Bitcoin market. As we know Bitcoin price movements are based on supply and demand, therefore those who have large capital like whales can control the market. But because the increase in Bitcoin in 2021 is very high, now the price of Bitcoin is very expensive to be controlled by the whales.

As you said, the price of bitcoin becomes expensive and so does the price of controlling or manipulating the market is also an expensive move to make. Whales are always there trying to manipulate the market, but there's really nothing to worry about the whales because there's just a small impact if those said whales decides to dump the market.
The value of bitcoin now is currently below $40k, so it's natural to see some more dips this week as investors will likely sell their assets out of panic and certainly this crash now have nothing to do with whales but because of the people's uncertainty.

[Abiky]

The more people adopt Bitcoin, the less "control" from single entities. Although I very much doubt anyone has a lot of control over Bitcoin. But then again, even if there was a someone in charge, we would probably be able to see certain signs and clues. Bitcoin is too decentralised and too spread. Unlike fiat, there is absolutely no way to retroactively gain control of it or to hack it. The only way you could really be in control is if you planned for it in the earliest days of bitcoin when it was still new and unadopted.

There isn't anyone in-charge of the Bitcoin protocol, but there are a few big players in-charge of its supply. Mainly, big exchanges and whales are the ones who control the Bitcoin market. They have a lot of money to move the market in their favor whenever they want to. The situation on the crypto market is even worse than it's the case with stocks, as crypto isn't widely regulated as stocks. Without proper regulatory measures, the crypto market can experience heavy manipulation by the previously-mentioned players.

At least, governments are starting to control centralized exchanges. Once they successfully regulate the crypto market, market manipulation by centralized exchanges and whales will be practically impossible. This could mean the price stabilization of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies as we speak. Ultimately, what matters is decentralization. As long as Bitcoin stays decentralized, there should be nothing to worry about. Just my thoughts

[Sebas.tian]

Bitcoin is not control by government because is a decentralized currency that pump and dump at anytime in the community. No body can tell when the price of bitcoin will increase and when it can decrease for people to buy and hold for future profit making.
I guess buyers and sellers are the controlled of bitcoin market because whenever there is a surplus supply of bitcoin in the exchange market there will be few buyers in the market which will cause low price to the investors to make a good profit at the moment.

[Henrobakkara]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.

Yes most of us do this but I don't think that means they are or can predict the market. It is just hopeful wishing that the market should go down so that investors can gain more from their investment.

Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.

Manipulation cannot be ruled out. We do understand that there are big players in the market that can move the market and I believe so it is for other financial markets only this time, the crypto market is not regulated like the stock market so these whales can pretty much do what they want since they have the funds.

[mia_houston]

Bitcoin is not control by government because is a decentralized currency that pump and dump at anytime in the community. No body can tell when the price of bitcoin will increase and when it can decrease for people to buy and hold for future profit making.
I guess buyers and sellers are the controlled of bitcoin market because whenever there is a surplus supply of bitcoin in the exchange market there will be few buyers in the market which will cause low price to the investors to make a good profit at the moment.

Bitcoin which has peer-to-peer technology, of course, makes it impossible for anyone to control either big intuition, central banks and even the state cannot control bitcoin in the market, indeed we can all be part of bitcoin ownership but to control bitcoin is a very difficult thing impossible to do and the difficulty in controlling bitcoin is the reason for many countries in the world that prohibit the circulation of bitcoin so far. While the price of bitcoin in the market is expensive or not, it all depends on the number of supply and demand transactions that have occurred in the market so far.

[maidenvoyage]

Apart from all said:

I think, and I have some clues, that the volumes of all sites that trade BTC is heavily overstated.
https://medium.com/dirt-protocol/how-much-are-cryptocurrency-volumes-overstated-7a80873ffe69
by as much as 95%.
So only 5% is real volume.. the rest is fake, the sites trading inside themselves to get higher ratings.
This gives a reply to the people asking.. who is controlling this market.. It is much easier to influence a market with low liquidity... Which I think is the case with Crypto. .... this is not surprising.. it is also true with lots of other markets.. where the players all try to have an advantage.

I recently (on 3 of Dezember) sold 13 BTC on Kraken at 51.000 to the CHF, which is around 54.000 USD. I sold it OTC on WhatsApp.. not wanting to put this sum up fearing a meltdown.
In the next three hours the price dropped some 5%.. in my opinion.. because Kraken tried to sell these.. They say my sell had nothing to do with it.. but.. hmm.
Then.. they took 4 days to credit me with the money.. saying the CHF is to illiquid to have it at hand.. but hey.. If they really had this daily volume... they should have been able to liquidate my trade within hours.
But these are mere speculations.
I sold my BTC, I am a HODL since 2014, because I think that there are risks involved in the HODL arguments, that BTC (and other crypto) has such an intrinsic value, because its quantity is restricted etc.
I think that the legacy banking sector is forming against Crypto... I tried with my Brazilian Bank to bring the USD 800.000 to Brazil and got told (by ITAU).. legal, not legal.. on your Tax report, not on your tax report.. we do not take the money.. you CANNOT get this money into your account.. therefore seriously hampering the USE of BTC. I used the proceeds to buy a house.
I managed to find another Brazilian Bank, which would take the proceeds, that came from KRAKEN.. after a while.. but it took me in all two weeks of work and lots of grey hair. It is only an example of how the legacy banking sector is succeeding in hampering the usefulness of crypto.. after all.. in the end you want to exchange it for something real.. a house, a car, food, expenses... whatever..
Then there is this environmental problem with the Hashrate being so energy expensive.. I know.. that people argue that it all is from green, superfluous energy bla bla.. but. hey.. In the end..I think.. unless we make sure that all mining is with Geodesic or Cold fusion :-) .. probably it is made in some country with Coal..
So.. I at least have considerably lowered my BTC Holding.. fortunately 1 hour before one of the biggest price corrections (3 December to today 51.000 to 30.000 USD price correction).
Then there is all theses post with Chart Analysis, which has proven inefficient over and over and over again in stock trading.. Do not get me started on the usefulness of this.. but hey..I you think 30.000 is a CLEAR threshold.. just because you manage to draw a blue line in a nice slope.. you probably also believe that the position of Venus and Mars explains you last job application in any way...

I am still holding half of my BTC..because hey.. I bought it TOTALLY speculative and horsed around with it, never even considering it real money but only plastic chips in a casino. I invested in Bankrolls.. gained lots (tripled the amount) during 2016-2017, then invested in some black sheep.. ( lost 75% because the stole the bankroll).. did lots of other bullshit.. gave away whole BTC to nephews just to get them interested..
But now.. that is has become a big part of my savings.. .. My third point..
Being your own bank.. Really difficult.. I am a very savvy person, when it comes to computers, IT, etc..
But whenever I plug in my Ledger.. it asks me to upgrade the firmware. The other day I found out how to test my Mnemonic Phrase.. and.. I had one error in it..
Whenever I try to make a transfer.. it asks me. "do you want to upgrade your BTC to SEGWIT or SEGWIT2.. or whatever".. If you send to the wrong address you loose everything.. Anyway.. Only 1% of world population have the guts to listen to hours and hours of Youtube Talks explaining of how to maintain your wallet.. have secure computers.. have a scheme in place if they die, so their heirs have knowledge to get to the BTC. Not at all consumer friendly.. only for geeks..

So.. these 3 points: Energy, doubtful markets, legacy Banking system and Governments putting up hindrances, not user-friendly .. Actually 4 points..I think.. will reduce the usefulness and success of crypto in the future.
And.. markets that are not really liquid and understood and even less regulated.. 5 points.

Do not understand me wrong.. I still have half of my BTC, ETH, XPR holdings.. but I am sitting in my new House on the beach and happy I bought something.. even if I die.. that my kids can enjoy.. exchange for money/food/stocks.. or crypto again.. hehe.

[milewilda]

Bitcoin is not control by government because is a decentralized currency that pump and dump at anytime in the community. No body can tell when the price of bitcoin will increase and when it can decrease for people to buy and hold for future profit making.
I guess buyers and sellers are the controlled of bitcoin market because whenever there is a surplus supply of bitcoin in the exchange market there will be few buyers in the market which will cause low price to the investors to make a good profit at the moment.

Bitcoin which has peer-to-peer technology, of course, makes it impossible for anyone to control either big intuition, central banks and even the state cannot control bitcoin in the market, indeed we can all be part of bitcoin ownership but to control bitcoin is a very difficult thing impossible to do and the difficulty in controlling bitcoin is the reason for many countries in the world that prohibit the circulation of bitcoin so far. While the price of bitcoin in the market is expensive or not, it all depends on the number of supply and demand transactions that have occurred in the market so far.

But we couldnt really avoid the fact that whales/institutions/government could really have that significant impact whenever they do made out some moves.Lets put up an example on what happened recently about on the fundamentals on which Russia tends out to ban crypto? It did really make out the market dip down or corrected on big percentage and on the time they are somewhat
taking back those words then the market tends to recover which we arent that dumb to say that they had already placed up theirselves thats why its really possible that they would
 really be hyping things up again. Manipulative? Some sort of but theres always some chance.

[Mr.sprin]

How can people control bitcoin while bitcoin was created by satoshi nakamoto for free even the one who created bitcoin satoshi doesn't regulate bitcoin especially those who only hold bitcoin of course can't control bitcoin.

[SquallLeonhart]

Manipulation cannot be ruled out. We do understand that there are big players in the market that can move the market and I believe so it is for other financial markets only this time, the crypto market is not regulated like the stock market so these whales can pretty much do what they want since they have the funds.

Yes, manipulation still exist in the cryptocurrency market, but in Bitcoin I don’t think it is as much as it used to be before. It has reduced and now it is altcoins that are mainly the target of price manipulators. I know that there are billionaires that have enough money to kind of manipulate the market to the direction they want, they can push it up by setting a buy option, and they can as well put a sell option to make the market to fall.

But, it wouldn’t be as much as it used to be, because now the market is stronger than it was before. But manipulation is usually being found everywhere, there will always be people who are attempting to manipulate things in favor of themselves whenever possible.

[peter0425]

How can people control bitcoin while bitcoin was created by satoshi nakamoto for free even the one who created bitcoin satoshi doesn't regulate bitcoin especially those who only hold bitcoin of course can't control bitcoin.

at least you know what you are talking here?

Bitcoin can be controlled by those who has too much bitcoin in their position , like for example whales? they are capable of doing such because their holding can move the price a little and with many whales combined their assets? then surely this will control bitcoin for a certain time.

and this is what they do when they wanna dump or pump the prices of market .

[oHnK]

How can people control bitcoin while bitcoin was created by satoshi nakamoto for free even the one who created bitcoin satoshi doesn't regulate bitcoin especially those who only hold bitcoin of course can't control bitcoin.

at least you know what you are talking here?

Bitcoin can be controlled by those who has too much bitcoin in their position , like for example whales? they are capable of doing such because their holding can move the price a little and with many whales combined their assets? then surely this will control bitcoin for a certain time.

and this is what they do when they wanna dump or pump the prices of market .

When the market is regulated by the government then you can see how fiat travel provides inflation that continues to rise from year to year.  This is one of the reasons the crypto-based digital currency was created to create its own market independent of government intervention.  However, with a free market, those who have the greatest assets are those who have the greatest assets, such as the capitalist system.  Whoever has the capital then he is the king.  Price manipulation is only one of the impacts, not the main target.

[Alen098]

As you said it's totally impossible to predict the Bitcoin market but on the other hand we could use the chart strategy to prediction of the market is somehow possible and about the controlling I think big exchanges and whales has the full control on the btc

[asus09]

who actually controls bitcoin, in my personal opinion I think the people who control bitcoin are rich people, millionaires, or what is commonly called billionaires, because in the past when Elon Musk posted negative things about bitcoin, the price of bitcoin fell, and at that time Tesla stopped accepting payments with bitcoin, the price of bitcoin fell again, maybe the market could also control bitcoin, but I personally think that the one who is at the forefront of controlling bitcoin is the greedy rich.

[peterpanda]

We know that Bitcoin is a decentralized crypto but sometimes it may be manipulated. We, general people are not able to do that without strong community. Influencers are playing vital role there and making good benefits of it. If I mention other factor and this will be bad news from any raptured country where Bitcoin is available.

[Jazzi Mahesh]

Bitcoin is really controlled by China. There are four miners in China that control over 50% in bitcoin.

[Mamun74]

Bitcoin is decentralised crypto. I think bitcoin will not control by the people. Decentralization will never be stable. It is always pump and dupm.Bitcoin price down right now and i think It's good time to buy and hold long time bitcoin. Bitcoin is most popular coin in crypto market. I think small investor makes short term investment Beside market.I think holders and big investors makes good market.

[Danydee]

 It's not control, it's just a trend.. when the majority of market movements are made by "traders", that's what it leads to.
When you know that there are "professional traders" whose job is to profit from trading, and when they get wind of something called "cryptocurrencies".. I'll let you guess the rest of the story

[franky1]

So.. these 3 points: Energy, doubtful markets, legacy Banking system and Governments putting up hindrances, not user-friendly .. Actually 4 points..I think.. will reduce the usefulness and success of crypto in the future.
And.. markets that are not really liquid and understood and even less regulated.. 5 points.

listing your points better as you said more in the description of your experiences
1. you said you thought bitcoins "intrinsic value" was based on hoarding.. um no.
golds intrinsic value is not on hoarding for speculated price. bitcoins price/value is not set by markets evaluating users that have no market deposits. the market price is set by those wanting to sell.

so its not based on hoarders, but instead the acquisition cost people refuse to sell below.
EG if it cost everyone just $2 to mine an ounce of gold. golds value would be $2 bottom. and the market speculative price would be $2-$5.
but gold mining costs over $900. which is why gold markets speculate at $900-$2000
its not the case that it cost $2 and everyone hoarding it for 15,000x profit. its actually where they just refuse to sell at a loss. and where their acquisition costs are higher than the previous person.

bitcoins value is the mining cost. which was $20k in 2021 and $30k in 2022. this is the cheapest cost on the planet to mine coins so no one wants to sell for less. and those with higher mining costs
(US $40k) are happy to buy at $30k-$40k rather then mine for more.
(japan $70k) are happy to buy at $30k-$70k rather then mine for more.
 which is where the speculative difference of the $30k bottom to $70k top is. the $70k top was maxed out because everyone on the planet could mine for less than $71k so no one valued bitcoin to be worth buying for more then $70k at the time.. mining costs increase. coins change hands all add up to an increase in the bottomline value slowly over time

2. government hindrances
yes the conversion to fiat is a pain. because fiat banks have rules and limits. but you are not forced to convert it to fiat just to hand it down to your kids.
yes some governments have advised banks to be extra cautious with large funds coming from known bitcoin exchanges. but the sentiment of 'evil' was strong in 2014 and has actually started to relax in 2022
the UK for instance closed peoples bank accounts in 2014 but now they just treat it as a normal money transfer where they only question the amount. and not auto-evil a transaction due to its known bitcoin source.
i think some of the banking problems you experienced were not bitcoin direct linked. but more so large amount and also from a chillian bank to a brazilian bank causing some flags/questions.
you might have had a better experience using a brazilian based exchange that pays out in brazilian real

3. bitcoin utility(you might confuse with intrinsic value)
bitcoins utility value is to make transactions that dont need banks. so if you have 14btc. and you want to hand it to your kids. you can do so in the privacy of your home without reporting to a bank why you are shifting $490k of value. your kids can hoard it without being penalised by inheritance tax the moment they get a confirm. they can take it to another country and buy a house on some exotic island without your native bank/ tax office monitoring $ movements

4.market liquidity.
yes its clear markets do things like 'ghost orders' where they fill the market order books with lots of orders and just cancel them before the order is hit if they dont want the price to go in that direction. yes exchange owners also arbitrage using stable coins from one exchange to another to take the advantage of different market prices which then brings both exchanges into balance with each other(before letting the customers take the advantage)
and yes although you see lots of pending orders and lots of filled orders. some.. not all but some are done without having their account balance backed by deposits. which is illegal. and that needs to be regulated for consumer protection (avoid another 'gox')

5. mining 'climate' 'wastage'
if everyone was GPU mining. the electric usage per reward would be massively higher. asics have made mining more energy efficient. as have using pools. and asic farms located in renewable energy regions.
when you read propaganda media saying chinese mining is only 15% clean. thats not based on any analysis of visiting an asic farm and sourcing which power plant its attached to. instead its just generalising china's national renewable number and saying that asic farms must be mixed with all type. its very lazy reporting.
lets take america. its mining is only about 14twh a year. and yet within the decade america wants to be majority Electric car transport system. but that requires 1050twh a year to have all us cars electric.
yep cars use 75x more energy then Us bitcoin . and right now 98% of all cars are fossil fuelled. where as bitcoin mining is only 15% fossil fuelled.
so if you want to pick a climate debate. look at the car industry

bitcoins hashrate has been lingering around an average 150ex for years. +/- 0.3x . yet the car industry needs to grow by 50-75x in under 10 years.

[coinmanhere]

One thing i can say for sure as far as crypto is concerned prediction of so called experts is extremely bad no it is beyond extremely bad.

[andriarto]

It's not control, it's just a trend.. when the majority of market movements are made by "traders", that's what it leads to.
When you know that there are "professional traders" whose job is to profit from trading, and when they get wind of something called "cryptocurrencies".. I'll let you guess the rest of the story

right, there is no control in the formation of bitcoin prices, if in the past whales were able to move prices temporarily, but now with the spread of bitcoin holders of course need a lot of funds to be able to move the market. Of course, with a trend, traders will follow the direction of the trend and if the trend is bearish, more will sell it. then from that the longer the fluctuation will be smaller

[tygeade]

Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

The market cap of Bitcoin is too large now, and we have passed that level of talking about manipulators. If it is an altcoin that is still starting up, you can talk about possibilities of the price likely to be manipulated, but that is no longer for Bitcoin.

Manipulating Bitcoin is near impossible, the market is now solely based on the level of supply and demand. So, we should be talking about how much of a demand we’re having this year, if there’s going to be much demand, then the market would definitely be going up, and if the demand would be less, then it is going to be downtrend. Another thing is that events that we would trigger such things to happen.

And if you check most of these price manipulators or should I say pump and dump groups, they are now focusing mainly on alternative cryptocurrencies. Because they know it is not going to work out if they should try it on Bitcoin.

[Slow death]

there is each question stranger than the other every day in this section. why talk about bitcoin market manipulation when we already have a big money market? OP I had already posted here but forgot to add that there was a billionaire who makes cars who managed to manipulate the market, but he managed to manipulate the market without him having spent a lot and a lot of money, he just talked about his company accepting bitcoin as a method of payments that later people rushed to buy bitcoin

[taufik123]

there is each question stranger than the other every day in this section. why talk about bitcoin market manipulation when we already have a big money market? OP I had already posted here but forgot to add that there was a billionaire who makes cars who managed to manipulate the market, but he managed to manipulate the market without him having spent a lot and a lot of money, he just talked about his company accepting bitcoin as a method of payments that later people rushed to buy bitcoin

a billionaire who has many followers, of course, when he says something, others will follow him. without the need to spend a lot of money can already manipulate the bitcoin market, it is only enough to make 1 tweet about bitcoin then bitcoin will go up in price.
but no one really completely controls the bitcoin market.

[Abiky]

The market cap of Bitcoin is too large now, and we have passed that level of talking about manipulators. If it is an altcoin that is still starting up, you can talk about possibilities of the price likely to be manipulated, but that is no longer for Bitcoin.

Manipulating Bitcoin is near impossible, the market is now solely based on the level of supply and demand. So, we should be talking about how much of a demand we’re having this year, if there’s going to be much demand, then the market would definitely be going up, and if the demand would be less, then it is going to be downtrend. Another thing is that events that we would trigger such things to happen.

And if you check most of these price manipulators or should I say pump and dump groups, they are now focusing mainly on alternative cryptocurrencies. Because they know it is not going to work out if they should try it on Bitcoin.

Bitcoin's price may be driven by price and demand, but the market is still controlled by big exchanges and whales. Only proper regulations will put an end to this for good. I'd suggest you take advantage of this situation in order to make as much profits as possible. With heavy manipulation by exchanges and whales, prices can fluctuate like crazy, giving you the opportunity to buy low and sell high for profit. The gains are better than it's the case with the stock market, but the risk of loss is high.

Once the crypto market is regulated, Bitcoin's price may stabilize. Only then, it'll be much more difficult to make profits within the short term. What matters is that Bitcoin remains decentralized at its core. As long as that is the case, it won't be going anywhere. It's been like that for nearly 13 years now, so it's probable it'll last for generations. Just my thoughts

[Oasisman]

there is each question stranger than the other every day in this section. why talk about bitcoin market manipulation when we already have a big money market? OP I had already posted here but forgot to add that there was a billionaire who makes cars who managed to manipulate the market, but he managed to manipulate the market without him having spent a lot and a lot of money, he just talked about his company accepting bitcoin as a method of payments that later people rushed to buy bitcoin

a billionaire who has many followers, of course, when he says something, others will follow him. without the need to spend a lot of money can already manipulate the bitcoin market, it is only enough to make 1 tweet about bitcoin then bitcoin will go up in price.
but no one really completely controls the bitcoin market.

I assume you're referring to Elon Musk?
I guess his crypto influence has been cool down, as everybody already knew that he's just trying control and manipulate the market, especially those alts that he choose to pump.
I don't think he can do it with Bitcoin. His tweets means nothing now compared before when he pumped Doge and now he's trying it again with Shib, but then again with Bitcoin? I don't think he can.

[noormcs5]

there is each question stranger than the other every day in this section. why talk about bitcoin market manipulation when we already have a big money market? OP I had already posted here but forgot to add that there was a billionaire who makes cars who managed to manipulate the market, but he managed to manipulate the market without him having spent a lot and a lot of money, he just talked about his company accepting bitcoin as a method of payments that later people rushed to buy bitcoin

a billionaire who has many followers, of course, when he says something, others will follow him. without the need to spend a lot of money can already manipulate the bitcoin market, it is only enough to make 1 tweet about bitcoin then bitcoin will go up in price.
but no one really completely controls the bitcoin market.

I assume you're referring to Elon Musk?
I guess his crypto influence has been cool down, as everybody already knew that he's just trying control and manipulate the market, especially those alts that he choose to pump.
I don't think he can do it with Bitcoin. His tweets means nothing now compared before when he pumped Doge and now he's trying it again with Shib, but then again with Bitcoin? I don't think he can.

Elon Musk can only influence the market with his tweets but he cannot move the market. The real manipulators are exchanges who are just playing with our money. They know all the order books and stop placements and move the market to hunt the stops and/or liquidate the futures traders. Also, there are big whales who move the market according to their will to gain profits.

[LUCKMCFLY]

there is each question stranger than the other every day in this section. why talk about bitcoin market manipulation when we already have a big money market? OP I had already posted here but forgot to add that there was a billionaire who makes cars who managed to manipulate the market, but he managed to manipulate the market without him having spent a lot and a lot of money, he just talked about his company accepting bitcoin as a method of payments that later people rushed to buy bitcoin

a billionaire who has many followers, of course, when he says something, others will follow him. without the need to spend a lot of money can already manipulate the bitcoin market, it is only enough to make 1 tweet about bitcoin then bitcoin will go up in price.
but no one really completely controls the bitcoin market.

You are right, a multimillionaire can only manipulate a certain part of the market, because to move the market billions of dollars are needed to make an important movement, however when it comes to manipulation there is a conglomerate of things that many ignore, such as news, statements by influencers, celebrities, where they make those who are not billionaires move the market to whatever he or the strong hands want, at least I know that this is a type of manipulation, because just manipulating one person is too much money and although if there are people like that, it is somewhat difficult.

[yohananaomi]

We know that Bitcoin is a decentralized crypto but sometimes it may be manipulated. We, general people are not able to do that without strong community. Influencers are playing vital role there and making good benefits of it. If I mention other factor and this will be bad news from any raptured country where Bitcoin is available.

Always even though Bitcoin has its own advantages as you say, but some roles can still intervene, although it cannot be directly but can be seen from some of them, which results in Bitcoin can be as controlled.
But indeed that is the reality that happens and we cannot avoid such a thing, it is an economic law that has occurred by itself. Almost all sectors will definitely occur like this is no exception in Crypto, but clearly the role made is by something strong simultaneously not individuals.

[Gamerholic]

If by "control" we mean the actual ownership and management of a large number of bitcoins - then everyone can see these wallets and their activity. So what's wrong with this "control"? Everyone had a chance, and for some long time after the "birth" of bitcoin, to buy it or get it very simply and cheaply. Few people took advantage of this chance, but they exist and it just so happens that it is a historical fact that their control is the same as the owners of the shares of any digital company.

[CDC AP]

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

[maidenvoyage]

So.. these 3 points: Energy, doubtful markets, legacy Banking system and Governments putting up hindrances, not user-friendly .. Actually 4 points..I think.. will reduce the usefulness and success of crypto in the future.
And.. markets that are not really liquid and understood and even less regulated.. 5 points.

listing your points better as you said more in the description of your experiences
1. you said you thought bitcoins "intrinsic value" was based on hoarding.. um no.
golds intrinsic value is not on hoarding for speculated price. bitcoins price/value is not set by markets evaluating users that have no market deposits. the market price is set by those wanting to sell.

Humm?? I never even used these words. I can live with the fact that BTCUSD conversion price is just that. a price..
Based on hoarding? what does that even mean? Intrinsic or speculative.. I do not care. I was a firm believer in BTC.. but.. as I said.. If it becomes a part of your Wealth.. The IRS will have to know, will know, it will have the same restrictions and all.
It's utility is seriously hampered being not at all user friendly, tons of people loosing their private keys all the time. The energy problem becoming more a hindrance. So.. I mean.. you Americans cannot hold Gold either.. because your government prohibits it because in Bretton woods it was declare the anchor for FIAT.
Lots of people that write here have a little holding on some site.. I am sure, few people have control over their Private Keys, as I do with my ledger.. But hey.. to maintain this.. It is difficult.. The Mnemonic phrase.. hardware failures.. somebody breaking into my house and finding the 24 words (yes.. they are on a piece of paper)..
Well.. I just do not think it will be the freeing, Libertine brave new world... that I thought it would be.. when I invested in 2014.



2. government hindrances
yes the conversion to fiat is a pain. because fiat banks have rules and limits. but you are not forced to convert it to fiat just to hand it down to your kids.
yes some governments have advised banks to be extra cautious with large funds coming from known bitcoin exchanges. but the sentiment of 'evil' was strong in 2014 and has actually started to relax in 2022
the UK for instance closed peoples bank accounts in 2014 but now they just treat it as a normal money transfer where they only question the amount. and not auto-evil a transaction due to its known bitcoin source.
i think some of the banking problems you experienced were not bitcoin direct linked. but more so large amount and also from a chillian bank to a brazilian bank causing some flags/questions.
you might have had a better experience using a brazilian based exchange that pays out in brazilian real

I used BINANCE too.. as a test.. transferred 1 BTC.. They had me make a KYC like a normal Bank.. and that is what they are. I am sure, that end of year they WILL transfer all info, with my Brazilian Tax Number to the Brazilian Receita Federal.. which is OK now.. because.. to liquidate my holdings.. I actually had to put all my Crypto Holdings on my IRPF.. my Brazilian tax declaration.
Now.. since 2021.. here in Brazil.. If I buy or sell Btc I have to inform it same day on the site of Receita Federal.. and pay Capitals Gains tax.. as with any other asset.

3. bitcoin utility(you might confuse with intrinsic value)
bitcoins utility value is to make transactions that dont need banks. so if you have 14btc. and you want to hand it to your kids. you can do so in the privacy of your home without reporting to a bank why you are shifting $490k of value. your kids can hoard it without being penalised by inheritance tax the moment they get a confirm. they can take it to another country and buy a house on some exotic island without your native bank/ tax office monitoring $ movements

Well.. as my experience tells me.. NO.. you cannot pass your bitcoins without the IRS seeing them.. well. you can.. but then.. when you want to use it.. it just becomes normal money.. which you have to declare.. or jump through loops and holes to funnel the worth into real FIAT money.
I am sure. If I go with lots of BTC to the Bahamas.. and try to buy an Island.. they want to see all the normal paperwork.. As with any other currency.. This together with the hassle, risk, dangers of "being your own bank".. I do not see it anymore..
That does by no end mean to sell all your BTC.. I am still positive that it will hit 100.000 USD/btc.. someday.. just because of its scarcity.. But.. hmm.. I could also imagine it just slipping off into oblivion.. slowly bleeding out its value.
And this argument that mining costs 30k USD/BTC.. If the price falls below that.. some miners will go bust and only the ones with the lowest Mining cost will survive, and a new hash rate will establish.. where it is worth to mine BTC at 500USD/BTC.. also ok..





4.market liquidity.
yes its clear markets do things like 'ghost orders' where they fill the market order books with lots of orders and just cancel them before the order is hit if they dont want the price to go in that direction. yes exchange owners also arbitrage using stable coins from one exchange to another to take the advantage of different market prices which then brings both exchanges into balance with each other(before letting the customers take the advantage)
and yes although you see lots of pending orders and lots of filled orders. some.. not all but some are done without having their account balance backed by deposits. which is illegal. and that needs to be regulated for consumer protection (avoid another 'gox')

Read the article that I posted.. 95% of volume is fake.. Which is also OK.. still lots of volume..Just not compared to the volume of other currencies..


5. mining 'climate' 'wastage'
if everyone was GPU mining. the electric usage per reward would be massively higher. asics have made mining more energy efficient. as have using pools. and asic farms located in renewable energy regions.
when you read propaganda media saying chinese mining is only 15% clean. thats not based on any analysis of visiting an asic farm and sourcing which power plant its attached to. instead its just generalising china's national renewable number and saying that asic farms must be mixed with all type. its very lazy reporting.
lets take america. its mining is only about 14twh a year. and yet within the decade america wants to be majority Electric car transport system. but that requires 1050twh a year to have all us cars electric.
yep cars use 75x more energy then Us bitcoin . and right now 98% of all cars are fossil fuelled. where as bitcoin mining is only 15% fossil fuelled.
so if you want to pick a climate debate. look at the car industry

Yeah.. No arguments here.. Just.. for such a gimmicky item as BTC spending 14tWH seems preposterous. And will be conceived as preposterous.. and this IS a problem.. for BTC and its acceptance.

bitcoins hashrate has been lingering around an average 150ex for years. +/- 0.3x . yet the car industry needs to grow by 50-75x in under 10 years.

wrote my answer into your quote.. did not know better..
Look guys.. I just wanted to give another opinion to this HODL is everything.. It will go up..I will get rich.. BTC is the answer, talk.. that is written here..Although the tread is "who controls the market" is probably not the best place.. I decided to give my opinion here.. Because one of the critiques I have, is that the market really is NOT as shiny as BinanceCoinbaseKraken and the other 10 players like you to think. It is a fickle backwater.  

. and.. as I told you guys.. I walk the talk.. I decided to cash in on my holdings.. because.. well.. that is all written already.. But to sum it up again: BTC was a great Investment. I got in at 500USD, already everybody said.. this is crazy for a crypto currency to be valued so high.. Rode it up to 51.000 and got out...not at 68.. but very well.. For the future.. I think 1. Energy use and its negative Image effect 2. Legacy Banking sector really not liking the thing and politically being better connected WILL hamper its usefulness 3. Total lack of user-friendliness. Be your own bank.. try it.. own your keys.. have them save, so that when your house burns down you still have a backup etc.etc.. only for very few..
Well.. that's it.. That will make it an edge case investment and will impede, that huge number of people own, trade and depend with their savings on BTC.
Tell me what you think.. It is only an opinion..

[smartaction]

Bitcoin is controlled by people like you and me who believe in Bitcoin and want to collect Bitcoin. If we all start selling Bitcoin then it will definitely go down in price. And if we continue to buy Bitcoin without selling it, its price will definitely go up. And it always happens that everything depends on people like us.There is no miracle behind it he he

[maidenvoyage]

Bitcoin is controlled by people like you and me who believe in Bitcoin and want to collect Bitcoin. If we all start selling Bitcoin then it will definitely go down in price. And if we continue to buy Bitcoin without selling it, its price will definitely go up. And it always happens that everything depends on people like us.There is no miracle behind it he he

I completely agree with your tautologies hehe..
What you say is a like saying: "to become rich, always sell high and buy low"!.. That is also incredibly intelligent.. but totally useless. What I say is, that, in my opinion.. fewer people will hold, buy, get into BTC.. because of these 4 negative points.

[Prosector]

It takes a person to be highly intelligent to manipulate the crypto market. While there are chances of the market getting manipulated, we cannot say that there are many. It’s quite secure and not easy for just anyone to make changes to the whole system.

[BuNga_cute]

Bitcoin is controlled by people like you and me who believe in Bitcoin and want to collect Bitcoin. If we all start selling Bitcoin then it will definitely go down in price. And if we continue to buy Bitcoin without selling it, its price will definitely go up. And it always happens that everything depends on people like us.There is no miracle behind it he he

Bitcoin price does move based on supply and demand, so as you said the price of Bitcoin will increase if more people buy it. Then the price of
Bitcoin will decrease even more if more people sell it. So the price of Bitcoin moves naturally according to what is  happening in the market,
therefore the price of Bitcoin is very volatile and difficult to predict. The volatile Bitcoin price allows Bitcoin to be used as an asset, different from
fiat whose prices are stable. That's why the popularity of Bitcoin is increasing, because storing Bitcoin is much more profitable than storing fiat.
The conclusion is very difficult if individuals or groups control the price of Bitcoin, because the Bitcoin market is already so large, so need a large
amount of Bitcoin if anyone wants to control the price of Bitcoin.

[Oneandpure]

Bitcoin is controlled by people like you and me who believe in Bitcoin and want to collect Bitcoin. If we all start selling Bitcoin then it will definitely go down in price. And if we continue to buy Bitcoin without selling it, its price will definitely go up. And it always happens that everything depends on people like us.There is no miracle behind it he he

Bitcoin price does move based on supply and demand, so as you said the price of Bitcoin will increase if more people buy it. Then the price of
Bitcoin will decrease even more if more people sell it. So the price of Bitcoin moves naturally according to what is  happening in the market,
therefore the price of Bitcoin is very volatile and difficult to predict. The volatile Bitcoin price allows Bitcoin to be used as an asset, different from
fiat whose prices are stable. That's why the popularity of Bitcoin is increasing, because storing Bitcoin is much more profitable than storing fiat.
The conclusion is very difficult if individuals or groups control the price of Bitcoin, because the Bitcoin market is already so large, so need a large
amount of Bitcoin if anyone wants to control the price of Bitcoin.

Supply and demand of bitcoin controlled by billionaire where called by whales and they can make price dump or pump suddenly, I think good when have company adopt bitcoin as legal payment and try to be investor but have bad side when they have thousand bitcoin assets in his wallet, they can controlling bitcoin market what they want to do, if want get profit and bitcoin pump higher price all their assets sold and buy back later when price dump, easy for controlling bitcoin price if have thousand bitcoin assets in his wallet.

[Emitdama]

It takes a person to be highly intelligent to manipulate the crypto market. While there are chances of the market getting manipulated, we cannot say that there are many. It’s quite secure and not easy for just anyone to make changes to the whole system.

Less intelligent people will have no idea if what is manipulation so they wont try it. They wont risk their millions or billions to buy btc when btc is down because for them it is risky but intelligent people will think of the opposite. They wont feel scared after seeing a huge dump in the market but they will risk more, buying more btc because they know that they can benefit with this better than what the small investors are going to get when the market returns.

When someone sees the market is in green they will then ride it because they expect that it will continue above but they do not know that manipulators are after them. Until now manipulators are growing the more the popular btc is.

[kamilah147]

manipulation in the crypto world is how you react to it, if you feel cheated then you are cheated, if you don't feel cheated then you should assume this is a normal condition in trading, especially with bitcoin because it is "natural". " fluctuate
when viewed in terms of the influence of price movements, various opinions will be born from every observer or trader because they are part of the analysis.
please wait for the price of bitcoin to fall, and when the price is down to buy and this is also part of the "buy when the price goes down, sell when the price goes up" strategy
digest analysis very wisely

[TinaK]

Bitcoin is controlled by people like you and me who believe in Bitcoin and want to collect Bitcoin. If we all start selling Bitcoin then it will definitely go down in price. And if we continue to buy Bitcoin without selling it, its price will definitely go up. And it always happens that everything depends on people like us.There is no miracle behind it he he

But the question is, who is controlling the crypto market or the price of bitcoin.
I must say, there are many investors now, big institutional investors and even some governments in a few countries have been investing in bitcoin now because they saw the potential and I think, they are one of the causes who are controlling the market price when they sell, the market will move and when they bough bitcoin the market also has a reaction.

Actually, no one controls the market, when there are also a few people who get FUD and panic selling, they will create a longer bitcoin price movement.

[HodlerKing101]

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

Bro, I really feel I have been controlling the market recently. Every time I buy the price goes down and every time I sell it goes really high. It's not China apparently. LOL I have been buying DAO Maker recently because they release a news that they're more open now, which means everyone can join their token sales with or without staking their token. But then the price continuously goes down, but wth, we'll hodl and never sell

[Abiky]

Elon Musk can only influence the market with his tweets but he cannot move the market. The real manipulators are exchanges who are just playing with our money. They know all the order books and stop placements and move the market to hunt the stops and/or liquidate the futures traders. Also, there are big whales who move the market according to their will to gain profits.

Exactly. Exchanges are the ones who move the market in their favor. While most people lose money during a bearish market, these big players (exchanges) are the ones who win in the long run. The ups and downs in price, makes a great opportunity for profit. Not like stocks which are much more stable in price. The main problem here is the lack of regulation. If the crypto market was as regulated as the stocks market, do you think there would be heavy manipulation by the aforementioned entities?

At least, the core Blockchain technology is decentralized. It doesn't matter if the market is controlled by a few, as long as crypto/Blockchain tech stays decentralized. With alternative solutions like decentralized exchanges and atomic swaps, we'd have nothing to worry about. Bitcoin is the main mover on the market, so if it goes up, other cryptocurrencies will do the same. Just my thoughts

[Oneandpure]

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

Bro, I really feel I have been controlling the market recently. Every time I buy the price goes down and every time I sell it goes really high. It's not China apparently. LOL I have been buying DAO Maker recently because they release a news that they're more open now, which means everyone can join their token sales with or without staking their token. But then the price continuously goes down, but wth, we'll hodl and never sell

You not checking about the market condition after announcement by China exactly with bad news like bitcoin banned and make price dump, I think have several whales and billionaire how they can controlling with bitcoin price when have to dump and pump. I know still have investor keep holding bitcoin assets but they always as panic selling whales make bad news and price dump, after they have got chance bitcoin on lower price next as opportunity how to make good news with bitcoin and price pump drastically few days later and keep repeat this strategies on every time.

[coupable]

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

Bro, I really feel I have been controlling the market recently. Every time I buy the price goes down and every time I sell it goes really high. It's not China apparently. LOL I have been buying DAO Maker recently because they release a news that they're more open now, which means everyone can join their token sales with or without staking their token. But then the price continuously goes down, but wth, we'll hodl and never sell

I don't think it's because of China by any mean. Besides the China ban the use of bitcoin, we saw how many other powerful institutions, governments and big companies adopt the use of bitcoin including India who announced recently the legalization of bitcoin in addition to Chile and El Salvador.
I can understand how people ask about how this market can be controlled, but i know that bitcoin is like to other products can be influenced by the global world economy .

[maidenvoyage]

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

Bro, I really feel I have been controlling the market recently. Every time I buy the price goes down and every time I sell it goes really high. It's not China apparently. LOL I have been buying DAO Maker recently because they release a news that they're more open now, which means everyone can join their token sales with or without staking their token. But then the price continuously goes down, but wth, we'll hodl and never sell

I don't think it's because of China by any mean. Besides the China ban the use of bitcoin, we saw how many other powerful institutions, governments and big companies adopt the use of bitcoin including India who announced recently the legalization of bitcoin in addition to Chile and El Salvador.
I can understand how people ask about how this market can be controlled, but i know that bitcoin is like to other products can be influenced by the global world economy .

India has recently legalized crypto.. that means you do not go to jail holding some anymore… Chile.. I dont know.. El Salvador.. the experiment is an utter failure, I mean the country is a failure and has not managed to even provide a legal tender to its citizen and my guess is that they will soon undo this move.. they created a “special” btc which is not fungible to normal btc or USD.. so.. it is really not BTC.
I do not feel that BTC is a success story but rather mean it will drift off into a forgotten backwater.

[marilynmanson21]

predictions are just a figure of speech if I have observed recently, indeed bitcoin movement is regulated by a lot of demand so that the price can go up and it can go down, everything is out of control,
and of course the law of demand only applies in the traditional market not in the crypto market

[Sled]

predictions are just a figure of speech if I have observed recently, indeed bitcoin movement is regulated by a lot of demand so that the price can go up and it can go down, everything is out of control,
and of course the law of demand only applies in the traditional market not in the crypto market

No, the Law of Demand still applies in the crypto market that was the truth. In fact, if you could analyze the market trend carefully, you could see that once the market demand shot up, prices are soaring high as well, and once huge selling has been done, prices just drop as well. It all has the same effect and this law has been existing in all forms of business, crypto is perhaps considered as business as well.

And if to ask who does the control of the market prices? It's all just simple, nobody...

[Abiky]

No people really control the market, but whales or a group of big traders have the power to dump-pump the price. Sometimes the demand can be created by spreading good or bad issues. If people are influenced by the issues, they may be interested to buy more or prefer to hold their capital, depending on what issue it is. Whales or big traders won't do this all the time, that's why I said no people fully control the crypto market.

Maybe you're right. After all, the crypto market extends far beyond centralized exchanges. Whales and big traders may manipulate centralized exchanges, but they can't manipulate decentralized exchanges and/or atomic swaps (at least not yet). What greatly influences Bitcoin's price is stuff that happens in the mainstream world. Whenever something good related to Bitcoin happens in the real world, prices go up. Otherwise, not. We've entered a period where hype has faded away, leading us to price stagnation across exchanges. This happens all of the time, so it should be the least reason to worry about. What matters is that Bitcoin at its core, remains decentralized. As long as it stays that way, no one will be able to control it. Just my thoughts

[JohnBitCo]

Bitcoin is really controlled by its users. Bitcoin users and traders control Bitcoin and Bitcoin company only maintain server and develop its stability.

In theory, this is true that bitcoin is only controlled by the users. This is completely a game of demand and supply. The more there is demand, the more high the price of bitcoin because its supply is limited.

However, in reality, there are big whales, investors and exchanges who manipulate the market as they have a lot of bitcoin to sell and then rebuy and in this way, they keep on increasing their holdings and retailers are the ones who lose money by this manipulation.

[Chato1977]

Bitcoin is really controlled by its users. Bitcoin users and traders control Bitcoin and Bitcoin company only maintain server and develop its stability.

In theory, this is true that bitcoin is only controlled by the users. This is completely a game of demand and supply. The more there is demand, the more high the price of bitcoin because its supply is limited.

However, in reality, there are big whales, investors and exchanges who manipulate the market as they have a lot of bitcoin to sell and then rebuy and in this way, they keep on increasing their holdings and retailers are the ones who lose money by this manipulation.

But the thing here is that Who are those people you are talking? is it small investors or the whales?

But the problem here is that Whales are truly the one who manipulates the market and they are controlling the market.

But if we small investors will do as one? then we are really the one who controls the market .

[Drnice]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.

Every trader looks for a point to enter into the market so as to attain the optimum best lowest price which he/she has set as a target, and when this is meet for the person in question, the lowest price has been attained (though, the price might keep on going down) but his target has be achieved. No one can Predict the market, but you can set your limit.

Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

To some extent, the market can be manipulated (this mainly happens when the whales had great effect on every action they take). Technical analysis of the market do give a heads up on what's coming next, and with the little knowledge I have on forex trading, no matter how sure the technical analysis is, the fundamental analysis always takes the head lead, and the technicality is kept aside for the moment.

Truly, the more the demand, the more the increase in it's price, but what about the rejection and close down of some exchanges? We know most things like the Lost of mnemonics, phrase and keys to some wallets are no more in control of it's owners, and things like this keeps those coins off the market, though they are increasing and decreasing alongside every action that happens in the market.

The way the market was being manipulated years back (as at 2017 and earlier) cannot be the same as now, cause the massive adoption of Bitcoin from most governmental bodies and big investors, every form of manipulation becomes more difficult than it was before.

Learning never ends when it comes to this big world of crypto and it's behavior, I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.

[dataispower]

predictions are just a figure of speech if I have observed recently, indeed bitcoin movement is regulated by a lot of demand so that the price can go up and it can go down, everything is out of control,
and of course the law of demand only applies in the traditional market not in the crypto market

Actually that's your own suggestions and it is nice from my sight view, but for normal circumstances, everyone is aware of prediction Bitcoin knowing it is not to be perfect, the control of market of cryptocurrency comes from demand regulations, you kindly make point of demands and supply that it regulate and manipulate market standard for the traditional market not in crypto market, I don't want to go further in details but demands and supply is the function that remote cryptocurrency market mostly

[pinggoki]

Bitcoin is really controlled by its users. Bitcoin users and traders control Bitcoin and Bitcoin company only maintain server and develop its stability.

That's the gist of it, some people think that it's the whales but no, they create the fear and greed moments that moves the people so that can only mean that they don't have the power alone to move the market because they're influencing a large amount of people just so they can move the market at favorable circumstances.

[Maestro75]

It takes a person to be highly intelligent to manipulate the crypto market.

Market manipulation will not be effective no matter the level of anyone's level of intelligence if huge funds is not involved. No one can do that if they do not have the cash to buy and hold a lot of quantities of a token which they can sell off and cause fear in the market and then buy back when other investors begin to sell off too. You sell off your own and then wait for others to sell off their own below your price of sale and then you buy back on them. The first factor for manipulation is to have enough cash, then create panic or fear in the minds of those holding, and then buy back from the ignorant sellers.

[Abiky]

In theory, this is true that bitcoin is only controlled by the users. This is completely a game of demand and supply. The more there is demand, the more high the price of bitcoin because its supply is limited.

However, in reality, there are big whales, investors and exchanges who manipulate the market as they have a lot of bitcoin to sell and then rebuy and in this way, they keep on increasing their holdings and retailers are the ones who lose money by this manipulation.

Big whales and exchanges are the only ones who truly control the market. If it wasn't by that, Bitcoin's price wouldn't be as volatile as it is right now. As it's said in the real world: "Money Talks". When there's money to be made, you can expect the unexpected. I'd focus more on how Bitcoin can change our lives for the better than just looking at price charts everyday. After all, crypto is about utility. Not a means to make you rich quick.

Remember, 1 Bitcoin = 1 Bitcoin no matter what. It doesn't matter who controls the market as long as the underlying blockchain network remains decentralized. Hopefully, the market will stabilize after regulators come into play. Just my opinion

[JohnBitCo]

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

Bro, I really feel I have been controlling the market recently. Every time I buy the price goes down and every time I sell it goes really high. It's not China apparently. LOL I have been buying DAO Maker recently because they release a news that they're more open now, which means everyone can join their token sales with or without staking their token. But then the price continuously goes down, but wth, we'll hodl and never sell

I don't think it's because of China by any mean. Besides the China ban the use of bitcoin, we saw how many other powerful institutions, governments and big companies adopt the use of bitcoin including India who announced recently the legalization of bitcoin in addition to Chile and El Salvador.
I can understand how people ask about how this market can be controlled, but i know that bitcoin is like to other products can be influenced by the global world economy .

India has recently legalized crypto.. that means you do not go to jail holding some anymore… Chile.. I dont know.. El Salvador.. the experiment is an utter failure, I mean the country is a failure and has not managed to even provide a legal tender to its citizen and my guess is that they will soon undo this move.. they created a “special” btc which is not fungible to normal btc or USD.. so.. it is really not BTC.
I do not feel that BTC is a success story but rather mean it will drift off into a forgotten backwater.

First of all, india has not legalized bitcoin. They have only proposed a law that is not yet implemented. Both India and china do not control the bitcoin market. A country that has the biggest bitcoin mining farms does not mean that they are controlling the bitcoins.

Practically no one can control this bitcoin market. It's all decentralized with no one in the power to control it.

[Westant]

Bitcoin is really controlled by its users. Bitcoin users and traders control Bitcoin and Bitcoin company only maintain server and develop its stability.

In theory, this is true that bitcoin is only controlled by the users. This is completely a game of demand and supply. The more there is demand, the more high the price of bitcoin because its supply is limited.

However, in reality, there are big whales, investors and exchanges who manipulate the market as they have a lot of bitcoin to sell and then rebuy and in this way, they keep on increasing their holdings and retailers are the ones who lose money by this manipulation.

But the thing here is that Who are those people you are talking? is it small investors or the whales?

But the problem here is that Whales are truly the one who manipulates the market and they are controlling the market.

But if we small investors will do as one? then we are really the one who controls the market .

In he early years of the invention of bitcoin it was thought that bitcoin is manipulated by the whales and they were also doing so but is now not possible in the recent time. In the recent time bitcoin is distributed to a wide range in the market and it is now not possible for some people to control bitcoin.

[Sebas.tian]

No people really control the market, but whales or a group of big traders have the power to dump-pump the price. Sometimes the demand can be created by spreading good or bad issues. If people are influenced by the issues, they may be interested to buy more or prefer to hold their capital, depending on what issue it is. Whales or big traders won't do this all the time, that's why I said no people fully control the crypto market.

Yes, whales or traders are the real people that control  bitcoin market by using a huge amount of money to make the price of bitcoin dump or pump.  Whales or traders can still make the price to dump by release more coins into the market to make the price to continue dumping  to cause people losses in their trade. This pumping and dumping is the handwork of demand and supply because where there  is high rate of demand in the market, it will makes the price of bitcoin to move higher for people to make a good profit but when there is a high rate of supply in the market, it gives opportunity to those traders waiting for low price to come so that they can buy as much they want and hold for future profit making.

[coupable]

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

Bro, I really feel I have been controlling the market recently. Every time I buy the price goes down and every time I sell it goes really high. It's not China apparently. LOL I have been buying DAO Maker recently because they release a news that they're more open now, which means everyone can join their token sales with or without staking their token. But then the price continuously goes down, but wth, we'll hodl and never sell

I don't think it's because of China by any mean. Besides the China ban the use of bitcoin, we saw how many other powerful institutions, governments and big companies adopt the use of bitcoin including India who announced recently the legalization of bitcoin in addition to Chile and El Salvador.
I can understand how people ask about how this market can be controlled, but i know that bitcoin is like to other products can be influenced by the global world economy .

India has recently legalized crypto.. that means you do not go to jail holding some anymore… Chile.. I dont know.. El Salvador.. the experiment is an utter failure, I mean the country is a failure and has not managed to even provide a legal tender to its citizen and my guess is that they will soon undo this move.. they created a “special” btc which is not fungible to normal btc or USD.. so.. it is really not BTC.
I do not feel that BTC is a success story but rather mean it will drift off into a forgotten backwater.

First of all, india has not legalized bitcoin. They have only proposed a law that is not yet implemented. Both India and china do not control the bitcoin market. A country that has the biggest bitcoin mining farms does not mean that they are controlling the bitcoins.

Practically no one can control this bitcoin market. It's all decentralized with no one in the power to control it.

Always not to forget that who is own the more hashing power can get more mining reward than others who do mining. And by the halving is making it much more difficult for mining small businesses so the competition will become limited to the powerful ones .

[Rehan Zakir]

The market manipulators are controlling bitcoin market. There another name was whales. The big investors are controlling the market. They can dump market at any time and then buy back bitcoin from low price and then book their profit when its price pumps. These peoples are making millions of peoples by doing this. The big investors of bitcoin market are controlling the market. So, prepare yourself to keep away from sudden pump and dump in market. If you feel market is not stable then do not take any trade in market .Keep away from market. When it get stable then take any trade.

[Smartyy1337]

I think all buyers probably?

[Oilacris]

I think all buyers probably?

You are right but it would be compose of;


1. Institutional buyers
2. Companies
3. Whales/Billionaires

It isnt talking about manipulating that obviously but you could really tell that these things could
really act out on being manipulative.Why? They do have the finances or money for them to do so.
Somehow this market couldnt really be that easy to take some control on.

[Abiky]

First of all, india has not legalized bitcoin. They have only proposed a law that is not yet implemented. Both India and china do not control the bitcoin market. A country that has the biggest bitcoin mining farms does not mean that they are controlling the bitcoins.

Practically no one can control this bitcoin market. It's all decentralized with no one in the power to control it.

Exactly. Just because some countries have big mining farms doesn't mean that they control the entire crypto market. There are a lot of players involved, each looking for their own benefit. Whales and big exchanges are the ones who control the market the most. That, and also the fact that mainstream events can have either a positive or negative impact over Bitcoin's price.

All in all, I wouldn't worry much about the price, since it's all driven by speculation. With the ability to trade Bitcoin "over the counter" and through decentralized exchanges, it may be impossible to control or manipulate the entire market. Only centralized exchanges are easy to manipulate because of their single points of failure. Bitcoin is truly about decentralizing finance, so as long as it does the job well, nothing else matters. Just my thoughts

[stepwilli]

The question is do you even know when there is going to be a higher demand and when there will be a lower demand? Nobody knows where the market is really flowing to, although with the help of some certain tools, we are able to make some predictions, which we are not 100% sure about, of where the market would be heading to.

Nobody controls the market, what we do is just to speculate which direction it is likely to be moving to, but we can’t be certain about the predictions we are making. But sometimes you can clearly tell when the market is at its low level, and that is during a bearish time like we are in now, but you can’t tell the lowest. When the market becomes bullish it is also easy to tell, but you can’t tell what is going to be the peak price of the market before it starts falling again.

[savetheFORUM]

Just because some countries have big mining farms doesn't mean that they control the entire crypto market. There are a lot of players involved, each looking for their own benefit. Whales and big exchanges are the ones who control the market the most. That, and also the fact that mainstream events can have either a positive or negative impact over Bitcoin's price.

All in all, I wouldn't worry much about the price, since it's all driven by speculation. With the ability to trade Bitcoin "over the counter" and through decentralized exchanges, it may be impossible to control or manipulate the entire market. Only centralized exchanges are easy to manipulate because of their single points of failure. Bitcoin is truly about decentralizing finance, so as long as it does the job well, nothing else matters.

Another thing is that even if one country should ban cryptocurrency, and they happen to be the location where majority of the cryptocurrency mining takes place, the cryptocurrency mining farms would still move their farms and relocate to another country where things would be in favour of them and they wouldn’t have to face any problem with the law by mining cryptocurrency. So, the location doesn’t really matter, it doesn’t matter whether a country has majority of the cryptocurrency miners, no one is actually going to control Bitcoin.

We can see even when China decided to ban Bitcoin from their country, a lot of the Bitcoin miners there decided to move to other countries. We started to see increase in the mining share of other countries such as Russia and the US.

[Agbe]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

There is one thing I discovered from your article. The title of your article doesn't tallied or rhymed with your content.

The title says " Who is really controlling the Bitcoin market?" And the content is talking about the inflation of Bitcoin..that is contradicting.

If I may say to concerning your topic. "Who is really controlling the Bitcoin market?" I believe IMF and world bank and creator (the Capitalist) of the currency.

So they make the rising and falling of the currency to have equalibrum in the currency exchange market

[livingfree]

I agree. Even though bitcoin or the whole cryptocurrency market is decentralised, the big investors can still manipulate the market by making big transactions.

It's not new and has been discussed as always.

People that have big money to invest in the market or we call the whales have the power to move the market somehow on the likes of theirs.

If they want to dump the market, they would do it and the usual thing they do is to make a news, a FUD that will make everyone panic and play with their emotion.

[Quintom]

Exactly the point, so many people dealing on BTC really don't understand how it works, theirs is just wish the aim of making money, how can you know when the market has low prices commodities or products before you go in to make demand,or are u telling me til the market value comes down you wont purchase a thing for your personal or family consumption, we should be ready to take risk, we all know all these problems is as a result of too many scammers online, we should be careful but then we should take risk to gain more
    There's a saying " Take risk to get the Biscuit "

[haasanjui]

Bitcoin Market is controlled by BTC users. BTC company only manage the blokchain and make stable in use. Proce and other things are in users hands.

[LUCKMCFLY]

No people really control the market, but whales or a group of big traders have the power to dump-pump the price. Sometimes the demand can be created by spreading good or bad issues. If people are influenced by the issues, they may be interested to buy more or prefer to hold their capital, depending on what issue it is. Whales or big traders won't do this all the time, that's why I said no people fully control the crypto market.

Maybe you're right. After all, the crypto market extends far beyond centralized exchanges. Whales and big traders may manipulate centralized exchanges, but they can't manipulate decentralized exchanges and/or atomic swaps (at least not yet). What greatly influences Bitcoin's price is stuff that happens in the mainstream world. Whenever something good related to Bitcoin happens in the real world, prices go up. Otherwise, not. We've entered a period where hype has faded away, leading us to price stagnation across exchanges. This happens all of the time, so it should be the least reason to worry about. What matters is that Bitcoin at its core, remains decentralized. As long as it stays that way, no one will be able to control it. Just my thoughts

I agree. Even though bitcoin or the whole cryptocurrency market is decentralised, the big investors can still manipulate the market by making big transactions.

The control of BTC is very varied, at one point the bears can control it, I say the bears but it can be 1 person or many people, it is not known, only who can move the market that is approximately with more than $1500M that they can do something, however, the bull whales that have always been in the market, the way they move the market is with movements in short, in short because they always enter buying cheap, a rich man never buys expensive, the true rich buy cheap and if not It's cheap, look for a way to make it cheap, that's why they always wear shorts. Apart from that, the one who controls the market the most are the emotions of the people, it is incredible, but the emotions do everything.

[Marvell1]

When it comes to price manipulation, we usually refer to the wealthy. Such is the truth. Every financial market has big player behind it. They can dump at any time and can buy back at low price by spreading FUDs to small investors panic sell.
The crypto market is the most susceptible to manipulation because the marketcap is very small compared to the stock. So always be on the lookout for dumping and fake news being spread.

[Vaskiy]

It is the Whales at times and common people most of the time. Whales make large volume of transaction and this makes panic among the small scale investors. This panic will make users to sell it out. These days the war is expected to make big changes in the market downwards. But, people using it due to the prevailing situation have increased the investment over bitcoin than selling. So, it is quite hard to find who is controlling the market.

[Abiky]

Another thing is that even if one country should ban cryptocurrency, and they happen to be the location where majority of the cryptocurrency mining takes place, the cryptocurrency mining farms would still move their farms and relocate to another country where things would be in favour of them and they wouldn’t have to face any problem with the law by mining cryptocurrency. So, the location doesn’t really matter, it doesn’t matter whether a country has majority of the cryptocurrency miners, no one is actually going to control Bitcoin.

We can see even when China decided to ban Bitcoin from their country, a lot of the Bitcoin miners there decided to move to other countries. We started to see increase in the mining share of other countries such as Russia and the US.

That's the beauty of decentralization and censorship-resistance. If Bitcoin was controlled by a single player, it would've died after the "China ban". Only centralized exchanges can be controlled due to their "high concentration" of power. Whales can manipulate the Bitcoin price all they want, but they won't be able to manipulate the network itself. It really doesn't matter how much a Bitcoin is worth in terms of Fiat as long as it works as intended. People can still use Bitcoin regardless of the price per coin. Always remember that 1 Bitcoin is 1 Bitcoin no matter what. As long as it remains decentralized and censorship-resistant, nothing else matters. Just my opinion

[leverageguy]

Your whole trading career is based on the predictions you make. And it’s quite understandable that you won’t be 100% correct with your predictions. And like you, there are so many other people in the market, which makes it quite clear that supply and demand make crytos move.

[Mr.sprin]

Those who control the market are those who have large amounts of bitcoin in their wallets, for example, elon musk sells all his bitcoin assets of course bitcoin will go down as well as if elon musk makes news of buying bitcoin and accepting bitcoin as a medium of exchange with tesla of course the price of bitcoin will go up , so I mean if a big whale like Elon plays the market then it will probably happen.

[Jo_Liu]

By definition, decentralize means “ to move the control of an organization or government from a single place to several smaller ones. The same goes for the Bitcoin network, except instead of “several smaller places,” the control of the system is delegated to thousands of nodes - people who choose to run the Bitcoin software on their computers. No central authority makes decisions in regards to the Bitcoin network; instead, everyone gets to call the shots. No one owns Bitcoin technology, so there is no hidden mastermind who controls Bitcoin. It is users around the world who control Bitcoin. Anyone is free to develop and improve the bitcoin software. Likewise, anyone is free to choose which version of the software they want to run. However, to make it a usable, network, users must come together and run compatible versions of the software. In the end, a strong network requires everyone to operate within the same rules, and that’s how bitcoin consensus is reached - by the majority vote. These are all its theoritical points according to its characteristicshttps://xtrading.com/financial-questions/what-characteristics-does-the-bitcoin-system-have/.
BUT, IS IT REALLY SO?

[BlockchainMentors]

Yes, Investors play an important role in making the market up and down but there are many factors which no one can tell like covid came in 2020 and after that the price of bitcoin rise up and then went down then this Who's doing it all? Can anyone tell? I want to know

[Agbe]

From the subject matter and the OP explanation of the topic. I will start with 3 commonly used words and explain them to portray my points.
1. Whale: As it is said time without number. These are bitcoiners who own the highest bitcoins, they are also known as the wealthy ones in the Crypto space. Now these determine the prices of bitcoin/Cryptocurrencies in the ecosystem. They buy a lot and they sell a lot. So that that causes the inflation in market.
2. Bull: The demands of the whales caused the bull Market.
3. Bear: The supply of the bitcoin by the whales caused the bear Market.

Therefore, in any market of the 2-3 are caused by the whales.

[maidenvoyage]

Yes, Investors play an important role in making the market up and down but there are many factors which no one can tell like covid came in 2020 and after that the price of bitcoin rise up and then went down then this Who's doing it all? Can anyone tell? I want to know

You want to know "who controls" the course of history.. A very philosophical question.
Did Napoleon "control" the outcome of the Napoleonic wars? He surely tried.. but failed.
Also in the Bitcoin Market.. Humans try to control everything.. but fail miserably.. most of the time.. Some manage to control niches.. then they become "Bill Gates".. Until he cheated on Melinda and got caught.
Puns aside.. no-one  controls anything in the BTC Market.. It is a free market, albeit an illiquid one which reflects the fair price between demand and supply for a scarce item like BITCOIN.

[MinoRaiola]

A part of the control is taken by the global media. They influence people's opinions and they the market with their actions. We know it as FUD or FOMO and it works temporarily. But I would also say that the demand for Bitcoin is important. More acceptance, the more it is controlled by many people and maybe easier to read.

[AmoreJaz]

A part of the control is taken by the global media. They influence people's opinions and they the market with their actions. We know it as FUD or FOMO and it works temporarily. But I would also say that the demand for Bitcoin is important. More acceptance, the more it is controlled by many people and maybe easier to read.

as we simply put it, it is the supply and demand that moves the market. but identifying who are controlling the market? it is like punch in the air. no one can pinpoint who are actually majorly influencing this market. we are just observing who are major players or influencers in this market and yet, we can't tell that they are the ones moving this market.

[n0ne]

A part of the control is taken by the global media. They influence people's opinions and they the market with their actions. We know it as FUD or FOMO and it works temporarily. But I would also say that the demand for Bitcoin is important. More acceptance, the more it is controlled by many people and maybe easier to read.

as we simply put it, it is the supply and demand that moves the market. but identifying who are controlling the market? it is like punch in the air. no one can pinpoint who are actually majorly influencing this market. we are just observing who are major players or influencers in this market and yet, we can't tell that they are the ones moving this market.

Yes, it is the supply and demand. Apart from that, the positive and negative things happening around relative to cryptocurrency makes its move. At times the involvement of influencers over the market will have some impact. Likewise depending on the time there used to be different parameters that drive the market. It is difficult to define same as how the stock market value grow.

[Abiky]

A part of the control is taken by the global media. They influence people's opinions and they the market with their actions. We know it as FUD or FOMO and it works temporarily. But I would also say that the demand for Bitcoin is important. More acceptance, the more it is controlled by many people and maybe easier to read.

The media is usually manipulated by the government, so we shouldn't be surprised to see them spread FUD in order to negatively impact Bitcoin's market price. Depending on their interests, they can either liven up the hype or "destroy" Bitcoin's reputation altogether. The ones who really control the market are whales. Big exchanges and wealthy people are the ones included in this group. Prices either pump or dump depending on where they want Bitcoin's price to go. We can't do anything other than play by their rules.

If you play it safe, you'll be able to profit within Bitcoin's ups and downs. Otherwise, you'd become "rekt" in an instant. I wouldn't worry about the price as long as Bitcoin works as intended. Just my thoughts

[MinoRaiola]

the global media only spread false news with the aim of destroying the value of bitcoin itself, so I think the people who control the market are the people who own a few bitcoins and even more than . with more demand they can play prices and vice versa if the market is falling they take profits back by buying below

Only fake news is too dramatic, there are certainly many and poorly researched. Yes, that makes many of them incorrect, but with the aim of destroying Bitcoin... not really. People could influence the price, but that shouldn't be little bitcoin with a daily volume of $23,000,000,000. Exchanges be a part of it.

The media is usually manipulated by the government, so we shouldn't be surprised to see them spread FUD in order to negatively impact Bitcoin's market price. Depending on their interests, they can either liven up the hype or "destroy" Bitcoin's reputation altogether. The ones who really control the market are whales. Big exchanges and wealthy people are the ones included in this group. Prices either pump or dump depending on where they want Bitcoin's price to go. We can't do anything other than play by their rules.

That is also true, money rules. Those with the most power can control the most.

[Stella Mese]

in my opinion, and I am also a beginner.

In my opinion, the things that affect the price of bitcoin are of course various kinds, ranging from the weakening of the world economy and so on. because the weakening of the economy will certainly affect the price of bitcoin, because if the economy is advanced, the price of bitcoin will certainly rise, and if the economy is weak, of course the price of bitcoin will go down, because many people are selling it. and also in my opinion it could be a factor in the decline of bitcoin that was caused by the psychology of many people. a simple example like this. for example there is news and the news tells that there is someone who is going to buy bitcoin and that person is an influential person in the world, then psychologically people will think and they believe that the price of bitcoin will rise and eventually those who see the news will buy bitcoin, and indeed when That's bitcoin the price goes up immediately. and it is caused by the psychology of many people.

and that's some small examples, in my opinion

[landheer]

I think that controlling the bitcoin market is of course the bitcoin holders themselves, and bitcoin enthusiasts. because if bitcoin holders sell bitcoins, then the bitcoin price will definitely go down. but if those who hold strong bitcoins don't sell them, then the price of bitcoins will go up because many bitcoin enthusiasts invest in bitcoins and those who hold bitcoins before are strong don't sell them, so the price of bitcoins will go up.

[Lain87Yr]

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.

Not everyone is necessarily "predicting" it, some are just hoping that a drop would happen so they could buy lower.

Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.

Manipulations happen with markets in general. And while manipulation happens with bitcoin as well, it's not as huge of an effect as most people think; especially that as bitcoin's price rise and changes hands, manipulation gets harder and harder.

The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?

Depends what you specifically mean with "predict" in this case. Most bitcoiners think, not necessarily "predict" that bitcoin will be priced a lot higher in the future, though they know they can't predict short-term movements.

I have seen information, that most of the trading happens from China by about two huge operators.

[blockman]

I think that controlling the bitcoin market is of course the bitcoin holders themselves, and bitcoin enthusiasts. because if bitcoin holders sell bitcoins, then the bitcoin price will definitely go down. but if those who hold strong bitcoins don't sell them, then the price of bitcoins will go up because many bitcoin enthusiasts invest in bitcoins and those who hold bitcoins before are strong don't sell them, so the price of bitcoins will go up.

There's the economics that works for bitcoin and that's how real the market moves. Many will always say that there has to be something to do with the whales and we can't also remove that thought because it really happens. What you've said is the basic law of supply and demand for every market that we've got and it's not just applicable to bitcoin. There goes the usual market places where we see the flocking supply and demand as equal to the market's reaction just like how it goes for bitcoin.

[coinerer]

Not only bitcoin, whole crypto market are controlling by traders. There are many big traders and teams of traders in the market who can increase and decrease the price of a coin at will.  Because they trades millions of dollars once. And we invest by looking at market hype and market condition which helps them to meet their target.

[Newlifebtc]

Some people think that cryptocurrency market is being controlled by some body but i noticed that Bitcoin itself have no control because the coin is a decentralized currency and nobody can control the market except the market regulate itself. I don't know why market of cryptocurrencies is not dependable but people who don't know about cryptocurrency do think that the market is control and monitored somewhere

[lucates]

The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Unfortunately, the concept of predicting is just a hypothesis based on what they analyze from market behavior. nothing is 100% correct. Therefore, if in the end there will be no one who is really right in predicting, we only need to check prices in the futures market. When the limitations of predictions make it difficult for you to know when the market is in a big correction, then wait that there will always be news to inform it all.

In every market speculation or peoples choice that affects demand and supply, of course. But speculation is from different matters like FUD, market analysis, peoples attitude etc. So we can't assume there is only one or two factors controlling the market is all are interconnected.

[darkangel11]

Not only bitcoin, whole crypto market are controlling by traders. There are many big traders and teams of traders in the market who can increase and decrease the price of a coin at will.  Because they trades millions of dollars once. And we invest by looking at market hype and market condition which helps them to meet their target.

I wouldn't be so sure. It's actually whales that control the market. Traders can play around with short and long squeezes but real moves are made by big players. Like when Luna collapsed and sold all their bitcoins we crashed through the floor. Traders can only influence the market a bit because once they are out, they are out. They can start a 5% move up or down but the whales decide if this will put us in a bull market again.

[Imran232]

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As expected, people have some confusion that only whales can control the market, but I have some other thoughts regarding this. I believe those people who are whales have just become whales by grabbing a huge portion of bitcoin, but remember how much coin they are holding. They are also not going to sell their coin at a loss. So they also want profit, and they will get profit when the market goes up. So they play a different game to make a profit in a short time, which is that they know they have a social media platform that they use to create buzz, so they start to react, and when we react, we just start to drop the price, and then we just give again to enter into the market. And after some time, they again gave positive news. The price will go up again and they will be in profit again. And they will continue their games again and again. That's my opinion; others might be different. Thank you.
 

[Flamous]

The market being decentralised the answer to this is both everybody and no one at the same time. There is no authority that governs the crypto market which means all those who have invested in the market actually control the market.

[dlightag]

Bitcoin price actually control by number of holders as in market normal have demand and supply, when the supply is greater than demand, market will be experiencing Red candle, which we normally called bear market as the case maybe.

[poldanmig]

Bitcoin price actually control by number of holders as in market normal have demand and supply, when the supply is greater than demand, market will be experiencing Red candle, which we normally called bear market as the case maybe.

Bitcoin price movements are closely related to the prevailing economic law, namely when a lot of money goes into bitcoin, it will automatically push the bitcoin price up, and vice versa, when many people throw away bitcoin, the bitcoin price will automatically decrease drastically, so far it has been difficult for both the pope and the government to control the price of bitcoin in the market but according to a research whale can move the price of bitcoin around 1% using around $93 million of money.

[harapan]

I personally don’t think there’s an individual or group of people that is controlling the bitcoin market. I think there are lots of invisible forces controlling the bitcoin market. Firstly, the rule of demand and supply is always at okay with commodities and with bitcoin, it isn’t any different. The rule of supply and demand obviously controls and affects bitcoin worldwide.
No single individual controls the bitcoin market. The creator of bitcoin made sure of that.

[Cryptodebjoe]

Not only bitcoin, whole crypto market are controlling by traders. There are many big traders and teams of traders in the market who can increase and decrease the price of a coin at will.  Because they trades millions of dollars once. And we invest by looking at market hype and market condition which helps them to meet their target.
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Well traders hardly influence or control the value of btc because of their short term profit mentality i could only agree that some whales can have a huge part to play in the btc market

[Alfredo_jsc]

In my own understanding, through its decentralized nature the answer is nobody and everybody at the same time,there is no authority that makes or control the market.crypto currencies are not controlled by any government or other central authority, they are managed by peer to peer networks of computers running free, open source software. generally anyone who wants to participate is able to do so, most of the trading that goes on in the world today are not regulated by any federal authority, that is my own opinion and I stand a chance to be corrected if am wrong about it.

[dataispower]

Bitcoin price actually control by number of holders as in market normal have demand and supply, when the supply is greater than demand, market will be experiencing Red candle, which we normally called bear market as the case maybe.

The shortest way to explain the control of Bitcoin or control of cryptocurrency is based on the ability of the length of the demand and the supply involve in a particular month or a particular year in cryptocurrency, because it is noticeable but when investors of cryptocurrency arrive in the market with enough forms is increase the demand of Bitcoin in the market so they are for I believe that the control of cryptocurrency is the nature of price in the market so nobody control and they regulate the price of Bitcoin

[Abiky]

I wouldn't be so sure. It's actually whales that control the market. Traders can play around with short and long squeezes but real moves are made by big players. Like when Luna collapsed and sold all their bitcoins we crashed through the floor. Traders can only influence the market a bit because once they are out, they are out. They can start a 5% move up or down but the whales decide if this will put us in a bull market again.

Whales controlling the market has always been a problem ever since Bitcoin began trading across exchanges. These big players can manipulate prices for their own benefit, while leaving the "little guy" behind in the dust. They have the power to make a cryptocurrency a big hit or a huge failure. Money talks, so expect the unexpected. What matters is not the price of a Bitcoin, but rather its usefulness. Despite the huge decline in BTC's price, it's still useful as a decentralized cryptocurrency anyone can use without limitations.

BTC is better than Fiat because no one can confiscate and/or freeze your money at will (except if you leave coins at an exchange or a centralized wallet provider). Fiat will continue to inflate, while BTC will remain deflationary with a predictable supply of 21 million coins. The market can be controlled by anyone, but not the network itself. As long as the core Blockchain protocol remains uncontrollable (decentralized), we should have nothing to worry about. Just my opinion

[@Ayatulla]

Now bitcoin price is 23000 I think within 3 months price of bitcoin will go up a lot. Many traders have benefited from the drop in bitcoin price. But no one could have imagined that bitcoin price will drop so much. Bitcoin price is increasing slowly. It seems that this price will increase more than before

[bitzizzix]

Only big whales can control bitcoin they have a lot of bitcoin assets in their wallet imagine if they sold their bitcoins at once would bitcoin survive? of course the price of bitcoin will go down so I believe that only big whales can control bitcoin.

Yes it might be true if the whales could control the bitcoin market. Because every time they enter and exit there is always an unusual price movement. That is impossible for small investors who only have a small part of the circulating supply. But that doesn't mean they (the whales) can control the market completely. So there are other factors that determine the market move.

There is no single entity that controls the price of bitcoin, and there are many factors that influence it as mentioned in other responses. The price of bitcoin is whatever people are willing to pay for it.
however whales have long had a significant influence on the market, pulling price trends with them and they tend to have an influence on market sentiment, subtle signals to retail investors when to buy and sell.

[posi]

I personally don’t think there’s an individual or group of people that is controlling the bitcoin market. I think there are lots of invisible forces controlling the bitcoin market. Firstly, the rule of demand and supply is always at okay with commodities and with bitcoin, it isn’t any different. The rule of supply and demand obviously controls and affects bitcoin worldwide.
No single individual controls the bitcoin market. The creator of bitcoin made sure of that.

That only happens with the small market, and with the larger market, no individual or group can control the market. The market will be dominated and controlled by thousands of different whales and sharks in the market. There will always be long teams, short teams trying to manipulate the price, that's why the market always has unpredictable fluctuations. But often these manipulations can only be done in a short time, the market still mainly follows supply and demand in the long term.