Another "Legednary" newbie

[Hispo]

For a moment I thought these were accounts held by one of the average users of the forum, i did not understand how a person could post that much without receiving some kind of positive feedback.

Then you pointed out the bounties 

And I agree with those who say the merit system works to keep in line spammers, etc.

Even though, the system may get some members in a struggling position to get merits, it is better than having spammers/bot as Legendary users around, I guess.

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[PrimeNumber7]

I have always felt that those bounty reports should have been done off-forum... Either on a dedicated site that was built for nothing but handling those bounty users, or maybe even in a google spreadsheet document directly.

They add page views, which affect forum ad revenue.

As far as I know, the forum doesn't need money and theymos doesn't care about ad revenue. I still don't get how "proof of authentication" isn't considered an insubstantial post, thousands of spambots post the same crap millions of times. What's the use of that?
At least it's mainly concentrated on a few boards, so it's quite easy to avoid.

The substance of a post is not limited to the text of the post; it includes the work that went into writing the text (potentially beyond typing the post).

For example, if you ask a question that requires a substantial amount of research, or computation, after conducting the required research, or performing the required calculations, I write a post with a one-word answer, my post would be substantial as a lot of work went into the post.

Similarly, the bounty hunters need to make social media posts on other platforms, and will post links to those posts as part of their bounty "reports". So there is some work that goes into the post that is not actually writing the post.

The forum does not need money, but that does not mean that the forum will not generate revenue. Theymos has certainly left a lot of money on the table by not allowing for targeted forum ads, nor "paid stickies" (the two are very similar), but I don't think it is accurate to say that theymos does not care about ad revenue. There is at least a minimal effort put into generating ad revenue for the forum.

As I mentioned in my previous post, and as you mentioned, the bounty reports posts really do not affect anyone negatively. There is an entire sub dedicated to what amounts to a place for bots to read other bots' posts, and in which there is no other conversations. So there isn't anyone trying to read conversations in the bounty sub.

[Pmalek]

Just think if one day theymos decides it's time to delete all bounty reports and authentification posts? People like the ones mentioned in OP would have like 15-20 posts each. And even if you looked at just those posts, you wouldn't be able to find anything of value.

Do these people still make a decent amount of money on altcoin bounties in the first place? Like, I get it that these people most likely own multiple accounts, but last time I checked most of these bounty projects end up giving tokens that are worth nothing, or even end up not paying a single token at all.

I guess they are looking at it in the following way. We apply for as many bounty campaigns as we possible can. Then from those, let's say 100 campaigns, there will surely be at least 5-10 that will pay us some tokens that can be sold on some crappy exchange. If they are lucky, they can make a few more trades on DEXs like ForkDelta, etc. I doubt those people store anything in their wallets long-term speculating that the value could go up. If it can be sold, they will sell it asap. They keep only what they have to because no one is willing to buy that, it's a scam, or the token never got listed anywhere/has no trading volume. 

[decodx]

I have always felt that those bounty reports should have been done off-forum... Either on a dedicated site that was built for nothing but handling those bounty users, or maybe even in a google spreadsheet document directly.

They add page views, which affect forum ad revenue.

As far as I know, the forum doesn't need money and theymos doesn't care about ad revenue. I still don't get how "proof of authentication" isn't considered an insubstantial post, thousands of spambots post the same crap millions of times. What's the use of that?
At least it's mainly concentrated on a few boards, so it's quite easy to avoid.

I think there is a simple solution if the admins would like to put an end to this.

21. Old bumps and bounty reports should be deleted.

These three words added to the rules would do wonders for the Bounties section.

[Pmalek]

I think there is a simple solution if the admins would like to put an end to this.

21. Old bumps and bounty reports should be deleted.

These three words added to the rules would do wonders for the Bounties section.

Would be a great addition, but I don't think it will happen. Bounty hunters don't read the rules. Many of them wouldn't probably even understand what is written in the rules. Even if that became a requirement, I don't think they would spend time checking their post histories to delete old bounty reports. They would rather wait for the mods to do it themselves. That just creates additional workload for the administration, so I don't see that happening.

[LoyceV]

There are 16 such true legends (active in the last 30 days):
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That's quite an achievement if you think about it. 2-3 thousand posts and not a shred of valuable contribution to this forum. I'd be shocked if any of them aren't just bots.

Edit: there are ~40 other users with 770+ activity, i.e. potential legendaries.

There should be a special Rank for them: Shitposter! It can have the same Activity requirements as Legendary, but requires 0 Merit.

Similarly, the bounty hunters need to make social media posts on other platforms, and will post links to those posts as part of their bounty "reports". So there is some work that goes into the post that is not actually writing the post.

I refuse to consider them "substantial". Let's have a look at the latest 3 posts I find in patrol:

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: joken jo
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3393780
Telegram Username: @Shamim7070
Participated Campaigns: Twitter, Facebook
BSC Wallet Address: 0x2770e0DB03954f1960850c8E7d3AA83CECEE7F11

This user made the exact same post tens of times.

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Bitcointalk Username: Ruby555
Bitcointalk Profile URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420821
Telegram Username: @Suhaima786
Participated Campaigns: Twitter
Registered Email ID: rukhsaarmovar786@gmail.com
OJA Coin wallet address: oS8FGXeBFrbqEG7xaCTsp8K2uUcnSqGfZg

This user made similar posts 3 times, but he's only just starting with a total of 5 posts.
These posts are just meant to avoid a ban for on-forum altcoin giveaways:

Specifically, you are not allowed to give people any incentive to post insubstantial posts in your threads. You can't offer to pay people who post their addresses, usernames, etc. You can do giveaways off-site and link to the giveaway page in a thread, but you can't give people any bonus for replying to your thread.

1st Week = 17/01/2022 - 21/01/2022
BitcoinTalk Name: Dragon 3.0
Your Twitter Account Name: @Anupriya509
Your Twitter Profile Link.https://twitter.com/Anupriya509

Links to the Original Tweets:

1- (mm/dd): https://twitter.com/Anupriya509/status/1484379846633717761?t=8bc-mVx5qfgMo0QzwgeyvQ&s=19
2- (mm/dd): https://twitter.com/Anupriya509/status/1484403099611840513?t=PADvAmPvlE91_DtGcCpg2g&s=19

Retweet

1- (mm/dd): https://twitter.com/Anupriya509/status/1484379547017842689?t=W-ArtqT2RG4girsD1-MX0g&s=19
2- (mm/dd): https://twitter.com/Anupriya509/status/1484403254553608194?t=P0-_qzclXWoR654tUHoCnQ&s=19


Facebook
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Teligeram

1- (mm/dd): https://t.me/CryptoInvestorsTips/28473
2- (mm/dd): https://t.me/Cryptonews1209/13268
3- (mm/dd): https://t.me/CryptoAirdropBounties/70029

Getting paid to spam Twitter, Facebook and "Teligeram". Well, I guess you can call spamming "work".

[TheBeardedBaby]

There are 16 such true legends (active in the last 30 days):
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Edit: there are ~40 other users with 770+ activity, i.e. potential legendaries.

Wow, I arranged them only by posts in top 1000 mostposts on BPIP so I guess that's why I missed all the others. Quite often when browsing Patrol, I note some users with amazing amount of posts and 0 merit, but the weird thing is most of the time they are not in farms, I do check all the address, telegram, twitter, facebook links on the Ninjastic Space (tnx @TryNinja) and these accounts are "clean" (approx 85%).

Last time someone post this kind of statistic/information, someone give those member a merit. Let's see whether it'll happen this time.

My first thought was "let's see if there is any post merit worthy". First guy posted exclusively bounty reports and the second one has some posts in Offtopic and a "good project". Disappointing... 

I was thinking to reward them 1 merit.. because of the effort to be active all that time.. but I coudn't find any post to be able to give meirt to, Bounty reports will never get any merit from me..

OMG!
At first, I felt bad that Op's purpose of calling out these users has been misconstrued. I was so surprised that even as OP has called out these users, some generous merit sources like fillippone and LoyceV even commented on this thread and even merited some posts here, but have refused to send even 1 merit to any of the users. I was worried that I had to bookmark the users so that if I have smerit I will send to them.
But on a second thought I decided to see their posting histories, I was shocked to my marrows to see only links and no single post created. I have never seen this kind of thing before. No single worthy post to issue merit.

Just go to Patrol.. you'll see thousands of them every single day, and if you spot someone with 1 meirt... check the history... many times the merit giver is with red trust for account farming ... lol

[DVlog]

It is about time to post another "amazing" "Legendary" newbie with "big" contribution to the forum.

They've been around for quite some time, earned over 1200 activity with their 4540 posts, but unfortunately only 0 Merit since June 22 of 2018, otherwise they could be a 100% Legendary in only 2 more activity rounds but instead they stuck on "newbie" for almost 4 years.

Hope the guy won't get me wrong, I don't mean he is a bad guy in any way... it's just statistics.
So Here I present to you.

He has been doing bounty for a long time and bounty workers do not post much in other sections of the forum as it may lead to ban their account.  Creating new account changing the username of social media to changing wallet address is a hassle of time.  If moderators stop banning low quality posts, they may be encouraged to post in other sections and at some point the quality of their posts will start to improve.  

Do these people still make a decent amount of money on altcoin bounties in the first place? Like, I get it that these people most likely own multiple accounts, but last time I checked most of these bounty projects end up giving tokens that are worth nothing, or even end up not paying a single token at all.

I know they don't get much from a bounty project but its better than nothing. I have checked many hunters social media and found out most of them from Indonesia, Vietnam, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Russia. Unemployment problem is very high in those places so i think this low paid campaign also give them some money to live.

[Upgrade00]

He has been doing bounty for a long time and bounty workers do not post much in other sections of the forum as it may lead to ban their account.

Bounty hunters would not get banned for posting in other sections of he forum, the would get their posts deleted if they post spam around the forum, and a temporary ban if they do not change their habits before the possibility of being permanently banned.

If moderators stop banning low quality posts, they may be encouraged to post in other sections and at some point the quality of their posts will start to improve.  

Newbies get to this forum and gradually post before getting aquatinted with the forum and eventually their post quality increases.
It's much different when a newbie joins and immediately starts spamming different sections for a bounty campaign, this would get their posts deleted and eventually lead to a ban.
Posting organically and improving your post quality would not get anyone banned.

[_BlackStar]

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If the merit system not been introduced, really I would have really seen Legendary only posting POA and bounty reports in his post history. And here's the complete list of bounty board contributors so far according to ninjastic.space with total of posting 8,521,656: https://ninjastic.space/search?board=238

This's top 50 user in bounty board:

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1. LastKiss [6288]
2. rudilo [6157]
3. Rimidalv [6054]
4. tamango [6014]
5. siena23 [5395]
6. Maykl [4650]
7. Elize Gryanova [4547]
8. Daniel Khan [4438]
9. banyubiru [4407]
10. jendervan [4398]
11. foring12 [4395]
12. Tomik21 [4266]
13. Neil81 [4221]
14. nathanael reagan [4193]
15. lolingera [4140]
16. ronyahmed86 [4005]
17. Tnt1971 [3927]
18. akhmadfirmansyahcibi [3871]
19. Jonaki50sa [3777]
20. hendrakhow [3652]
21. o.ogurlu [3586]
22. stf1k [3581]
23. Aivaryamal [3531]
24. Shahinbd [3505]
25. ven7net [3468]
26. kaycyrpto23 [3455]
27. Sveta74189 [3433]
28. marius 4qu1l4 [3429]
29. SANDRA EVANS [3407]
30. Duvolon [3400]
31. Cryptomonyet [3342]
32. denzkilim [3327]
33. xGeraValerax [3311]
34. Lisa110386 [3310]
35. TetianaTan [3296]
36. FARid211 [3269]
37. Cristle [3231]
38. nana9064 [3125]
39. amityashwant [3081]
40. klkentkl [3068]
41. Inna Kulik [3034]
42. lenovop-70 [2995]
43. Rkss4 [2929]
44. ahnnlizaab [2916]
45. jasmine226 [2894]
46. santuroy1990 [2894]
47. Abutaleb628 [2885]
48. gurunanakji777 [2878]
49. jyotianand01 [2867]
50. mycrypto93 [2839]

[laredo7mm]

He has been doing bounty for a long time and bounty workers do not post much in other sections of the forum as it may lead to ban their account.

Bounty hunters would not get banned for posting in other sections of he forum, the would get their posts deleted if they post spam around the forum, and a temporary ban if they do not change their habits before the possibility of being permanently banned.

If moderators stop banning low quality posts, they may be encouraged to post in other sections and at some point the quality of their posts will start to improve.  

Newbies get to this forum and gradually post before getting aquatinted with the forum and eventually their post quality increases.
It's much different when a newbie joins and immediately starts spamming different sections for a bounty campaign, this would get their posts deleted and eventually lead to a ban.
Posting organically and improving your post quality would not get anyone banned.

I want to know how the moderator delete spam post from the forum? They did go to that section and delete spam posts of those spam posts that have been deleted if someone reports them to a moderator. I am asking this because I also got a 7 days temporary ban and before that more than 100 of my post deleted by the moderator within 24 hours. So I want to know moderator did visit someone's profile to identify spam posts or they just deleted everything reported by other reputable members?

[Upgrade00]

So I want to know moderator did visit someone's profile to identify spam posts or they just deleted everything reported by other reputable members?

Moderators also are part of the forum and visit different boards, while doing this, they can stumble on posts which need their attention without the need for a report.

Also, mods do not act on all reports, they take action based on their individual judgement. A report can include a link to the users post history if they have a lot of spam posts and the mods would take a look and decide what decision to take.

Being reputable does not affect the outcome of a report.

[PrimeNumber7]

I have always felt that those bounty reports should have been done off-forum... Either on a dedicated site that was built for nothing but handling those bounty users, or maybe even in a google spreadsheet document directly.

They add page views, which affect forum ad revenue.

As far as I know, the forum doesn't need money and theymos doesn't care about ad revenue. I still don't get how "proof of authentication" isn't considered an insubstantial post, thousands of spambots post the same crap millions of times. What's the use of that?
At least it's mainly concentrated on a few boards, so it's quite easy to avoid.

The "proof of authentication" posts are posts that prove that a particular person was the one responsible for creating social media posts on various other social media platforms.

Again, these posts are not hurting anyone. Bounty posts are in their own sub, and no bounty thread is going to interfere with anyone reading any thread.

I don't believe theymos has ever said that he doesn't care about ad revenue. He sells forum ads, so he obviously cares enough to sell ads.

[JohnBitCo]

Type of people distinguished by their "stability" When everyone has changed their cars, phones, apartments, jobs, and sometimes husbands and wives, these people do not change anything in their lives and do not change themselves.
I know such people who have been working in the same job for decades and not striving for the best. I looked into their wallets, there is also a "swamp"
We can say that this is a well-tuned bot, no matter how offensive it is to the owners of such accounts.

We cannot judge them that either they do not want to change or they are unable to change themselves. Most of the bounties hunters are not good at written english and hence even if they post outside the bounty, they won't be able to help themselves. Perhaps this could be the reason that they never tried something else. Yes, you can say that no one is perfect and they can learn to write better, but sadly not everyone thinks in this way.

[Pmalek]

I want to know how the moderator delete spam post from the forum? They did go to that section and delete spam posts of those spam posts that have been deleted if someone reports them to a moderator. I am asking this because I also got a 7 days temporary ban and before that more than 100 of my post deleted by the moderator within 24 hours. So I want to know moderator did visit someone's profile to identify spam posts or they just deleted everything reported by other reputable members?

There are no precise guidelines that moderators follow when it comes to deleting posts. Each sub-board you post in has its own dedicated mods. Since we are talking about the altcoin boards, those are managed by mprep and Welsh. Global Moderators can delete any posts on the forum. 

Someone might have reported a few of your posts, noticed a pattern, and decided to post a note that the admins should take a closer look at your entire post history. Or one of the staff members came to the same conclusion after deleting some of your posts and remembering your name. 

[Fivestar4everMVP]

OMG!
At first, I felt bad that Op's purpose of calling out these users has been misconstrued. I was so surprised that even as OP has called out these users, some generous merit sources like fillippone and LoyceV even commented on this thread and even merited some posts here, but have refused to send even 1 merit to any of the users. I was worried that I had to bookmark the users so that if I have smerit I will send to them.
But on a second thought I decided to see their posting histories, I was shocked to my marrows to see only links and no single post created. I have never seen this kind of thing before. No single worthy post to issue merit.

LOL, good thing you checked, I, reading through OPs post had this sense he was being ironic, and to be sure, I had to check the post history of the mentioned members, I wasn't suprised at all.
This guys are mainly bounty hunters who their only purpose of being here Is for the bounty, if for instance, bounty should be banned in this forum, they will all disappear and never come back.
But I don't blame them though, it's a life to choose, they could have  chosen to contribute positively to the forum and be rewarded for their effort, but I guess the reward is of no use to them.

And one other thing am thinking is that, maybe this guys have other account that are high ranked but reserved for contributions to the forum, and they  use this dummy accounts for bounty, if this be the case, then I see no wrong and do not blame them as well.

[nakamura12]

Just by looking at the first page of the post history make me lazy to check all the pages where the first page already starts at Bounty reports. If merit is not implemented then those 16 forum users would already be legendaries. Good thing that there's merits required for ranking up prevents them from increase their rank through posting of bounty reports. Bounty reports here, bounty reports there and bounty reports everywhere  good thing there's mods who will delete useless posts.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Just by looking at the first page of the post history make me lazy to check all the pages where the first page already starts at Bounty reports. If merit is not implemented then those 16 forum users would already be legendaries. Good thing that there's merits required for ranking up prevents them from increase their rank through posting of bounty reports. Bounty reports here, bounty reports there and bounty reports everywhere  good thing there's mods who will delete useless posts.

There's a very nice tool where you can check the percent of posts of each user in each section and the how frequent the user is posting. No need to browse the whole history of the person to check if he posted outside of the Bounties.
Thanks to @TryNinja's tool the info is very informative and easy to access, here it is: https://ninjastic.space

Here is the Daniel Khan info link:
https://ninjastic.space/user/id/2228189

And here is the akhmadfirmansyahcibi one:
https://ninjastic.space/user/id/1831589

[Trojane]

These are set of people that came into the forum just to renounce making quality posts and aspiring on building strong and trusted accounts over bounties and campaign managements .
Well, I'd support mocacines for what he said, we shouldn't just despise them because this forum has been synchronized for very many purposes so anyone that decides to use it on his own discreetion should do so at his own decisions and risks