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January 26, 2022, 11:41:42 PM
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From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?

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January 27, 2022, 09:18:15 AM
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One nation one currency....

What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?
Humans may have science, technology, nuclear, weapons of mass destruction or the greatest digital currency, but cannot change: (One nation one currency), even though it happened, a world war will occur, the economy will be destroyed, humans will kill each other, that's the inconvenience that will happen.

The advantages are certainly there, for sure the rulers at that time will be rich and powerful for their greedy deeds, but they are not calm in their greed, the commoners will follow him and finish him wherever he goes.

For that think like now, don't think we will face the era of the soviet union, it won't happen again, people have calmed down with the current situation.

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January 27, 2022, 09:44:54 AM
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From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?
There are some controversial claims here. First, it's not a fact that it's greediness and desire of power that make us intelligent. I'd say it's actually our curiosity and ability to cooperate. As for a scenario of one nation, it's not productive. You see, it's actually diversity that helps to develop new things. If you get a bunch of very similar people, they'll come up with very similar ideas and have very similar biases. It's counterproductive for scientific research. People with different backgrounds and values can achieve way more because they can offer a variety of ideas and create truly innovative approaches. Also, humanity is just full of many distinctions, so being one nation isn't exactly possible. But we can and strive to be a multitude of nations that respect each other's differences. As for a global currency, it's more realistic because it's convenient to hold the same thing valuable enough to function as a medium of exchange, but this can work only if nobody's in control of this currency (it has to be decentralized), and even then I don't think humanity's ready for that yet.

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January 27, 2022, 10:46:04 AM
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Okey, I agree with you that practically this is not possible but if that ever happens what will happen with our science and technology? Internal conflict over the century slowed down our technological advancement. If there was no conflict between different human races then the achievement of humans over science and technology could be more advanced. Maybe we could colonize other planets by now.

If you look at the last century there were two world wars that lasted a total of about 10 years, and a few more conflicts like the Vietnam and Korean Wars - but all this together with the consequences of those wars would not take us much further in science and technology from where we are today. Some might say that there would not have been such significant advances in space technology had it not been for German scientists working on various advanced technologies during World War II, and those same scientists were then recruited (or captured) by Americans and Russians, with the former snatched better prey.

If there were no conflicts in human history (over the past 5000 years) and if all nations worked together, the world would surely be a better place to live - but far from colonizing other planets, it is a very complex thing that will not happen for decades - in the sense of mass colonization of the Moon and Mars.



AFAIK they use credits and some form of transactional exchange in starfleet. I can't find the screenshot. But there is a scene in one of the trek TV series where there is a readout for "medical credits" in sickbay.

Mention of it is omitted. Its a thing where no one is certain exactly how money or the economy works in star trek so its never shown.

It is true that there are credits for replicators or for the use of holodecks, but as far as I know only on their spaceships and stations in order to ensure that everyone has equal access to resources and does not abuse them. However, I am not aware that there are medical credits - health care is completely free for everyone. Interestingly, I found an article that even mentions Bitcoin in the context of Star Trek - a very interesting read for those interested in the concept of a non-currency-based society.

Stewart: When Gene Roddenberry was coming up with this universe and this concept, things like Bitcoin didn’t exist. What do you think he would have made of that? Does that fit into this concept at all?

Saadia: I’ve always wondered if there is an accounting unit of some sort to keep track of what is being made and what is being produced.

Stewart: You mean, like a federation accounting unit?

Saadia: Yeah, an accounting unit. Not a currency, but something to keep track and account for the allocation of resources. But we don’t see that in “Trek.” These are the parameters of the world. I’d be very surprised that the next Picard show would be about accumulating artifacts.

Stewart: Suddenly he starts carrying cash.

Saadia: Or Bitcoins.

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January 27, 2022, 10:49:32 AM
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From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?

Necessity is the mother of all discovery. Human won't be technologically superior if there wasn't any conflict between them. Because of was humans made such discovery that was not only help to win the war but also benefited them many ways too. Nuclear energy was discovered and used for destruction but now we are using it for energy. If you look at the history then you will see most of the technological advancement happens when the world seen war.

I am not saying war is good so that we would see more technological advancement but what I said is the reality..

You have a valid point here. War encourages humans to push their limits and race against each other for invention. There are many technological achievements that have been gained because of war. Not all of them were meant to use in war but war creates the environment for speeding up technological improvements to serve a military purpose. Later these military improvements integrated into the civilian sector for other purposes too.
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January 27, 2022, 11:14:46 AM
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Too many world leaders in the world - that makes it impossible to turn whole world into a one nation. I dont think that any world leader would voluntarily free his position. Too many individuals in the world, making it impossible for to unite nations. People would never agree on one country name, laws and etc. One nation is possible only in movies and books.

With one currency it is easier, but still hard to achieve. We have US dollar accepted in 99.9% of countries, because people believe in the strength of US economy, but people will hardly make it one single currency in their country. There always will be an alternative.

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January 27, 2022, 02:03:58 PM
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The poster is a prophet.
When you examine what is happening in the world today, you will understand that every efforts is tilted towards unification, unity and harmony.
Countries are signing peace agreements and setting accords.
I read sometimes that West African countries want to unite and have a central strong currency.
There is high level of preaching against racism.
I so much believe these two general statements "Though nations and tongues may differ, but in Brotherhood we stand"
"To make the whole world one is a task to be done"

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January 27, 2022, 03:21:52 PM
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It is good the OP understand human created boundaries between themselves in the beginning and this happened at the early stage of human creation so would they choose to develop one nation and one currency now?
From my understanding, a part of Bitcoin being a decentralized coin I believe its ability to unite the world is also one of the reasons why the government is against it.

What I think it possible in the future is the government creating their own CBDC.

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January 27, 2022, 03:23:58 PM
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Too many world leaders in the world - that makes it impossible to turn whole world into a one nation. I dont think that any world leader would voluntarily free his position. Too many individuals in the world, making it impossible for to unite nations. People would never agree on one country name, laws and etc. One nation is possible only in movies and books.

With one currency it is easier, but still hard to achieve. We have US dollar accepted in 99.9% of countries, because people believe in the strength of US economy, but people will hardly make it one single currency in their country. There always will be an alternative.
In my opinion, it is impossible to create a peaceful world without division, creating a nation under the standard of the same currency will be difficult, because every human being has an ego that thinks himself is better than others, maybe by imposing one currency for one world, of course. maybe we will return to the colonial era as before, because only the superpowers like Russia and America would certainly have the will and considerable power if it was appropriate, and if these big countries could colonize all the countries in the world , of course they will enforce one type of currency, either usd or rubles, as was the case during the ancient Roman and Persian empires, in which the romans or persians would oblige all colonial countries to use the same type of currency made of gold and silver as dinars or dirhams.
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January 27, 2022, 03:30:07 PM
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From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen?
Historical speaking that is not possible. Nothing in our history explains there is only one unity on earth.
I don't know how long human lived on earth but in the history of our civilization, we only know about 6000 years. If we learn about our past, there will be many conflicts when some state wants to rule the world. Historical superpowers include the British Empire, Ancient Egypt, the Hittite Empire, the Achaemenid Empire, the Hellenistic Empire of Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Sasanid Empire, the Maurya Empire, the Mughal Empire, the Russian Empire, the Tang Empire, the Umayyad Caliphate.

If you look at some sci-fi series like Star Trek, there's a united nation on Earth
maybe all humans on this earth should have the same goal the same enemy to ignore our personal interests

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January 27, 2022, 03:51:32 PM
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If you look at some sci-fi series like Star Trek, there's a united nation on Earth
maybe all humans on this earth should have the same goal the same enemy to ignore our personal interests

Then it wouldn’t be called science fiction Wink

It would be really strange that human attitudes can change in the sense that people should not be enemies to each other - but the problem is not ordinary people who just want to live normally, but those who have the power to control all these people. Is the average Russian eager for war with Ukraine or is the average American interested in imposing sanctions on China or Iran? Of course, this is never the case - corrupt politicians constantly want to keep nations in some sort of quarrel so that they can still enjoy the power that comes from all the chaos they produce.

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January 27, 2022, 04:55:45 PM
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From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?

Necessity is the mother of all discovery. Human won't be technologically superior if there wasn't any conflict between them. Because of was humans made such discovery that was not only help to win the war but also benefited them many ways too. Nuclear energy was discovered and used for destruction but now we are using it for energy. If you look at the history then you will see most of the technological advancement happens when the world seen war.

I am not saying war is good so that we would see more technological advancement but what I said is the reality..
I quite agree with what you say because what you say is true.
when there is no conflict and friction then everything will be monotonous and it is actually not good enough for human survival because there will be no competition, no power and plate life.
but indeed on the other hand there is a positive side and a negative side actually in this case because indeed in this case conflict also has a negative side which is quite detrimental for some people.

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January 27, 2022, 07:10:35 PM
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From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?

Rather than one nation one currency, the world is actually becoming blurry on regards to what is a nation, what is a border, what degree of independence does each part of a country have and what are the rules that govern each territory. For example, you can argue that Germany and France are different states, however you can freely move people, goods and capital between them due to the EU treaty. Then you can argue there is no border between Aragon and Catalonia in Spain, however if you live in Catalonia your kids will not learn Spanish at school unless you specifically choose so. You can argue that UK is a estate, however there is a border in North Sea due to the Brexit treaty.... and so on.

What is a nation then?

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January 27, 2022, 08:49:06 PM
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One nation one currency is always an imaginary thought. From the ancient days it is possible to see boundaries, different cultures, different languages and different civilization. This means people form a community and have their way of living which differs from other communities on different parts of the world. The same is being followed till date and people are much adopted to it rather than one nation one currency which in reality isn't a possible one.
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January 27, 2022, 09:07:12 PM
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Too many world leaders in the world - that makes it impossible to turn whole world into a one nation. I dont think that any world leader would voluntarily free his position. Too many individuals in the world, making it impossible for to unite nations. People would never agree on one country name, laws and etc. One nation is possible only in movies and books.

With one currency it is easier, but still hard to achieve. We have US dollar accepted in 99.9% of countries, because people believe in the strength of US economy, but people will hardly make it one single currency in their country. There always will be an alternative.
LOL, the OP is probably daydreaming and imagining this while sitting with his popcorn. I'm not really sure what he wants to ask despite the possibility of having one currency for the whole world as the equivalent. This is something that is completely impossible now, in the future even hundreds of years after now.

USD is also not a legal currency in my country as a legal tender and maybe the rules are the same in other countries that have their own currency. As with bitcoin, we still need to convert it to fiat (local currency) before we spend it. To achieve one currency that has the same value then bitcoin may have been an alternative at this time.

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January 27, 2022, 09:21:30 PM
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From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?
The firs boundary I think is our gender. God created the humans differently, there are male and female. Both genders needs privacy. Fast forward, after that, there are now wars because some are power hungry and want to dominate this x country to make it their own. Till now this still happens, there are still wars but not as heavy as before.

It will be nice if all countries unite and create no more boundaries and will this be more possible because of bitcoin? Because bitcoin is not created by a specific country right? Anyone can use it. We do not need different fiats anymore but bitcoin will be enough for all of us. I think living that way is more fun and peaceful is not it?

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January 28, 2022, 07:03:23 AM
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One nation one currency is always an imaginary thought. From the ancient days it is possible to see boundaries, different cultures, different languages and different civilization.

We have a first step in that direction: the Eurozone. Although there are many problems, it has lasted more than 20 years already. A monetary union that was not imposed by wars but by agreements.

Globally, I don't see it either, like the rest who have commented. Maybe in a long time, but if it comes to be done, there would be small previous steps as has been done in the EU, but with some countries joining and sharing currency, before reaching the utopia of a single country and a single global currency, which hopefully will be the Bitcoin.

Just thinking about it sounds too utopian to me.


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January 28, 2022, 07:45:09 AM
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From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?
The firs boundary I think is our gender. God created the humans differently, there are male and female. Both genders needs privacy. Fast forward, after that, there are now wars because some are power hungry and want to dominate this x country to make it their own. Till now this still happens, there are still wars but not as heavy as before.

It will be nice if all countries unite and create no more boundaries and will this be more possible because of bitcoin? Because bitcoin is not created by a specific country right? Anyone can use it. We do not need different fiats anymore but bitcoin will be enough for all of us. I think living that way is more fun and peaceful is not it?
For us bitcoins enthusiasts, it will be our advantage as we have more bitcoin than those who never have entered the crypto market. But if we are taking the sides of regular people who only know fiat, and the government that has never supported it, having bitcoin as one currency will always be a fantasy and very unrealistic. As long as fiat exists, there can never a place for bitcoin as a nation's single currency.

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January 28, 2022, 08:01:28 AM
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One nation one currency is always an imaginary thought. From the ancient days it is possible to see boundaries, different cultures, different languages and different civilization. This means people form a community and have their way of living which differs from other communities on different parts of the world. The same is being followed till date and people are much adopted to it rather than one nation one currency which in reality isn't a possible one.
That’s right. When people talk about one world and one currency I don’t believe it. If it was possible that it was going to happen, then it would have happened in the past and not in today’s world where a lot of things changed. Even the amount of racism and tribalism in today’s world wouldn’t allow such thing to happen, there would be too much of favouritism of leaders over their own tribe and other tribes would feel sidelined and would start fighting for leadership and before you know it, the unity has been broken. And having such would bring up the question of which tribe should lead, and lead to disagreement.

And moreover, countries fought to gain independence, forming a one government and one world would make all that fight for independence to be meaningless.
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January 28, 2022, 08:06:22 AM
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From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century.
Basically, it is done based on the law or regulation in the country. Officially, there must be one currency that is used. But commonly, there are also some accepted as payment methods in certain platforms or merchants. But the basic accumulation is still the one fiat that is regulated in the country based on the law. We know that every time related to the law will be very complex. One currency may be very complex to manage and control, how it will be more than one officially used together. It may be more and more difficult.
but at elast, as long as the country also doesn't limit the use of some digital money, it is okay enough.

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