Crypto stuck in sports betting site, now they want KYC

[Milly8890]

I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access. They only require an email address to create an account, and no KYC unless you want to buy crypto directly from them. I will not name the site for various reasons.

Anyways, sometimes I try to login to the site before setting my VPN and it simply tells me I'm in a restricted area. Never had any issues though, I just flip on the VPN and all good. I've been using this site for about 2 months now. Today I logged in and and it was requesting I input my phone number to proceed. It said I can withdraw funds but services were restricted until I enter my phone number. So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong  is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.

I have about $1,200 of BTC in there, nothing crazy. If I KYC myself they will simply say I broke their TOS and lock me out forever (I did the research on this already). KYC consists of ID, recent bills, and photo of yourself holding ID. The only piece of information this site has on me is an email address.

I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.

Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.

[Fundamentals Of]

I doubt you will succeed in this attempt. You can do it nonetheless. I think it would still be worth it to try. In fact even the one who would do the KYC would also think it is worth it even if it would go unsuccessful and he won't be receiving anything. You mentioned you've got friends of friends who are living in impoverished countries. Even if you give them the $200 of your $1,200, it must already be worth trying for them. Or perhaps you might want to give a little for the effort even if the KYC fails.

More likely it will fail. Your real IP is already detected. When you switched to a VPN, you're probably caught using it. That's another violation. And then all of a sudden, you will be detected logging in from another country and submitting KYC from there. All of these are definitely red flags in their system.

[dimonstration]

You should move this topic on gambling discussion board because this topic is related to casino with Bitcoin involve. Move it on this board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=228.0.

The casino will just use it against you in case you KYC using other person identity because they will detect the change of IP once your friend login your account to do it. Can you exposed the name of the casino so that we can help you to raise concern to them if ever they have an official account here. Overall your case is very crucial because you didn't read there ToS before you play. This is the common way of Casino to get free money from there user that playing on restricted country and using VPN to dodge it.

Does your 1200$ worth of Bitcoin is came from winnings? Because Casino always use this reason incase players won.

[Dave1]

Well from the looks of it, you have violated their TOS so that's ground for your account to be banned.
But the thing is that you have money there so their is the issue. I doubt though that you can get your money back for the simply fact, as I have said previously, there is a violation on your part. So sorry to burst the bubble for you, but chances are slim that you will get your $1,200.

[Milly8890]

You should move this topic on gambling discussion board because this topic is related to casino with Bitcoin involve. Move it on this board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=228.0.

The casino will just use it against you in case you KYC using other person identity because they will detect the change of IP once your friend login your account to do it. Can you exposed the name of the casino so that we can help you to raise concern to them if ever they have an official account here. Overall your case is very crucial because you didn't read there ToS before you play. This is the common way of Casino to get free money from there user that playing on restricted country and using VPN to dodge it.

Does your 1200$ worth of Bitcoin is came from winnings? Because Casino always use this reason incase players won.

My bad, I'm new here and was looking for the right board. Not sure how to even move it? repost?

I hessite to add their name because if they are on here I'm pretty use it's an automatic TOS violation and then I'm 100% screwed.

I've deposited around $400 and withdrawn about $1,800 so far, with $1,200 still in the account. Yeah so that's all winning money in there...

[Milly8890]

Well from the looks of it, you have violated their TOS so that's ground for your account to be banned.
But the thing is that you have money there so their is the issue. I doubt though that you can get your money back for the simply fact, as I have said previously, there is a violation on your part. So sorry to burst the bubble for you, but chances are slim that you will get your $1,200.

So you think their just bullshitting me with this KYC request to unlock my account? Why not just tell me I violated TOS and be done with it? So they want all my info and then still lock me out?

[cabron]

Well from the looks of it, you have violated their TOS so that's ground for your account to be banned.
But the thing is that you have money there so their is the issue. I doubt though that you can get your money back for the simply fact, as I have said previously, there is a violation on your part. So sorry to burst the bubble for you, but chances are slim that you will get your $1,200.

So you think their just bullshitting me with this KYC request to unlock my account? Why not just tell me I violated TOS and be done with it? So they want all my info and then still lock me out?

Because you will be in a rage if they tell you there is nothing you can do anymore and your money is theirs. So giving you at least a tiny glimpse of hope will make you breathe and chillax. Anyway once you give your KYC, there is no turning back and they will know you for sure and learn where you are from and exactly your address.

So if you are so sure that you are tracked already and your IP address is known to them, I guess you already lose that $1200. Making your friend's friend do the KYC for a reward is worth trying since you are already in this stalemate situation. But don't get mad when your friend's friend also doesn't give you anything.

[Milly8890]

Well from the looks of it, you have violated their TOS so that's ground for your account to be banned.
But the thing is that you have money there so their is the issue. I doubt though that you can get your money back for the simply fact, as I have said previously, there is a violation on your part. So sorry to burst the bubble for you, but chances are slim that you will get your $1,200.

So you think their just bullshitting me with this KYC request to unlock my account? Why not just tell me I violated TOS and be done with it? So they want all my info and then still lock me out?

Because you will be in a rage if they tell you there is nothing you can do anymore and your money is theirs. So giving you at least a tiny glimpse of hope will make you breathe and chillax. Anyway once you give your KYC, there is no turning back and they will know you for sure and learn where you are from and exactly your address.

So if you are so sure that you are tracked already and your IP address is known to them, I guess you already lose that $1200. Making your friend's friend do the KYC for a reward is worth trying since you are already in this stalemate situation. But don't get mad when your friend's friend also doesn't give you anything.

That makes sense. Guess I'll just have to restart, was having a lot of fun with that $.

Anyone know when we will get a web3 sports betting site? Are we still years away? Login with metamask, no email, all smart contracts. I thought this would be here by now in 2022. Sounds like a gold rush but there must be good reason why it's not here yet.

[michellee]

That makes sense. Guess I'll just have to restart, was having a lot of fun with that $.

Anyone know when we will get a web3 sports betting site? Are we still years away? Login with metamask, no email, all smart contracts. I thought this would be here by now in 2022. Sounds like a gold rush but there must be good reason why it's not here yet.

Sandboxcasino.io, their thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5384549.0
Owl.games, their thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5378280.0
Bitcasino.io, their thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4541166.0

The number 1 and 2 is new gambling site but I think it is good newcomers gambling site. You can search for the other casino by yourself on Gambling board because there are many more exciting gambling sites on that board that you can use to gamble and I think you should move your thread to the Gambling board since this belongs on that field.

But no matter what the site, you should read the reviews from members so you do not get the same experience as before.

[Kemarit]

Well from the looks of it, you have violated their TOS so that's ground for your account to be banned.
But the thing is that you have money there so their is the issue. I doubt though that you can get your money back for the simply fact, as I have said previously, there is a violation on your part. So sorry to burst the bubble for you, but chances are slim that you will get your $1,200.

So you think their just bullshitting me with this KYC request to unlock my account? Why not just tell me I violated TOS and be done with it? So they want all my info and then still lock me out?

Because you will be in a rage if they tell you there is nothing you can do anymore and your money is theirs. So giving you at least a tiny glimpse of hope will make you breathe and chillax. Anyway once you give your KYC, there is no turning back and they will know you for sure and learn where you are from and exactly your address.

So if you are so sure that you are tracked already and your IP address is known to them, I guess you already lose that $1200. Making your friend's friend do the KYC for a reward is worth trying since you are already in this stalemate situation. But don't get mad when your friend's friend also doesn't give you anything.

If I remember correctly, there are accusations like this in the past wherein the user was not able to get his funds back even if he submitted his KYC.

And even if you used other documents, maybe they will still deny your refund and reentry in their platform. So yeah, the best thing to do is move on, it looks like you are a big bettor so you can cover that funds and win again, best of luck!!!

[Bttzed03]

~ What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds?

Even if you asked someone else from an unrestricted country to withdraw the funds for you, the casino will remain doubtful of the documents because you already used a phone number from a restricted country.

You clearly said it here:

So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong  is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.

That makes sense. Guess I'll just have to restart, was having a lot of fun with that $.

Anyone know when we will get a web3 sports betting site? Are we still years away? Login with metamask, no email, all smart contracts. I thought this would be here by now in 2022. Sounds like a gold rush but there must be good reason why it's not here yet.

Sandboxcasino.io, their thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5384549.0
Owl.games, their thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5378280.0
Bitcasino.io, their thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4541166.0

Betfury.io, their thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5276159.0

Test all platforms with small amounts first.

You might want to check if withdrawals are reviewed manually before released or not.

[ItsNotSean]

If someone in a non-restricted country fills out KYC (your mule) and is confronted with evidence of logging from a restricted country, they simply say "I was travelling and logged in at a friend's house".

If they say "you are using a different device", the mule says "I got another phone" or something reasonable.

Just have your story ready. But be prepared for the mule to take all your funds, or demand more than you initially bargain for. In which case, you could consider asking for collateral, though the mule might then think they are being scammed.

Just use common sense, plan and rehearse.

[dimonstration]

You should move this topic on gambling discussion board because this topic is related to casino with Bitcoin involve. Move it on this board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=228.0.

The casino will just use it against you in case you KYC using other person identity because they will detect the change of IP once your friend login your account to do it. Can you exposed the name of the casino so that we can help you to raise concern to them if ever they have an official account here. Overall your case is very crucial because you didn't read there ToS before you play. This is the common way of Casino to get free money from there user that playing on restricted country and using VPN to dodge it.

Does your 1200$ worth of Bitcoin is came from winnings? Because Casino always use this reason incase players won.

My bad, I'm new here and was looking for the right board. Not sure how to even move it? repost?

I hessite to add their name because if they are on here I'm pretty use it's an automatic TOS violation and then I'm 100% screwed.

I've deposited around $400 and withdrawn about $1,800 so far, with $1,200 still in the account. Yeah so that's all winning money in there...

You can see the move button on the bottom left of your thread besides the lock topic button. Your case is a common scenario here even some well known Casino has case like this which I will not disclose too. You can just use the forum search bar for the same topic you are encountering. They will not ask for KYC if you are losing huge money but they will enforce it once you are taking away money from them, I suggest you to don't do KYC because you will just risk your identity in exchange for them to point out your violation.

[OcTradism]

Gambling sites can have KYC requirement by default or in their Term of Service, you will get some points about additional/ advanced KYC requirements in case their sites detect suspicious things on your account.

Of course, if you are cheating their casinos, nothing to complain. However, if you are not cheating, you still don't know when they suddenly pull KYC card against you. So in crypto, people advice that not your keys, not your coins. Don't trust any site, any service and leave your capital there.

[yazher]

Gambling sites can have KYC requirement by default or in their Term of Service, you will get some points about additional/ advanced KYC requirements in case their sites detect suspicious things on your account.

Of course, if you are cheating their casinos, nothing to complain. However, if you are not cheating, you still don't know when they suddenly pull KYC card against you. So in crypto, people advice that not your keys, not your coins. Don't trust any site, any service and leave your capital there.

This is exactly the right thing to consider when you are about to send all your crypto assets to 3rd party wallets which they can have total control of your altcoins whenever they want. This has happened before and it will gonna happen again because when you see in the scams and accusations board, every year someone is posting about their funds being held in the crypto sports betting site. To avoid this thing to happen, you need the necessary requirements to validate your claim by getting all the details they've asked you for.

[Milly8890]

If someone in a non-restricted country fills out KYC (your mule) and is confronted with evidence of logging from a restricted country, they simply say "I was travelling and logged in at a friend's house".

If they say "you are using a different device", the mule says "I got another phone" or something reasonable.

Just have your story ready. But be prepared for the mule to take all your funds, or demand more than you initially bargain for. In which case, you could consider asking for collateral, though the mule might then think they are being scammed.

Just use common sense, plan and rehearse.

Ha, didn't know the other person is called a "mule." But yes, I was thinking about this. Technically I can come up with some clever rebuttal I can feed to my mule counter to all their accusations and there is no way for them to disprove it. But in the end I think they will simply give me some BS automated reply saying I broke ToS.

Also, can't I simply get KYC docs from my mule and submit them myself? My mule would not even need access to the account. But the mule must have trust in me to be dealing with their personal info, and a promise to receive payment.

Anyway, it all seems like too much of a hassle and the odds seemed stacked against me. Learned my lesson here.

[adzino]

I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access. They only require an email address to create an account, and no KYC unless you want to buy crypto directly from them. I will not name the site for various reasons.

Anyways, sometimes I try to login to the site before setting my VPN and it simply tells me I'm in a restricted area. Never had any issues though, I just flip on the VPN and all good. I've been using this site for about 2 months now. Today I logged in and and it was requesting I input my phone number to proceed. It said I can withdraw funds but services were restricted until I enter my phone number. So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong  is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.

I have about $1,200 of BTC in there, nothing crazy. If I KYC myself they will simply say I broke their TOS and lock me out forever (I did the research on this already). KYC consists of ID, recent bills, and photo of yourself holding ID. The only piece of information this site has on me is an email address.

I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.

Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.

Did they make you agree to their terms of service? Then yeah, you broke their terms and they now have the rights to confiscate your funds but most casino usually don't do that. If they see they are from a restricted country, they let them withdraw and then closes their account. $1,200 isn't a small amount. Try to recover your funds. Like you said, tell one of your friends to verify the account on your behalf and give him part of your coins as a reward for helping you.
But if account trading is also against their terms of service and they somehow know that you did that, they probably will never return your funds.

[Strongkored]

I hessite to add their name because if they are on here I'm pretty use it's an automatic TOS violation and then I'm 100% screwed.

I've deposited around $400 and withdrawn about $1,800 so far, with $1,200 still in the account. Yeah so that's all winning money in there...

With this fact the casino will not give the rest of your funds because you have violated the ToS, and in fact you do not experience losses only the rest of the winnings you can not withdraw, if they have a live chat maybe you can explain in detail and who knows they will let you withdraw the rest of the funds after that forbid you to bet at this casino.

(have reported to moderator to move this thread to the proper board)

[virasog]

Anyways, sometimes I try to login to the site before setting my VPN and it simply tells me I'm in a restricted area. Never had any issues though, I just flip on the VPN and all good. I've been using this site for about 2 months now. Today I logged in and and it was requesting I input my phone number to proceed. It said I can withdraw funds but services were restricted until I enter my phone number. So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong  is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.

What was so hurry for you at that time that you did not care to see which countries are accepted by the site and then entered the hong kong number which was not allowed by them. You may have missed the bet but you could have saved your money and account.

For now, try to do whatever you can to recover your account and then withdraw your funds. Its never advisable to play at gambling sites using VPN because the site can anytime stop your withdraw and ask for KYC as they did in your case.

[hugeblack]

Is this site honest? And you withdrawal from it before?
Many sites require identity verification and some hidden terms of service to scam users so make sure that they are a real service and that they do not want users from the United States due to the complexities of laws.


The idea will succeed if they can log in with the same IP address and cookies, but if that site is sufficiently developed (I doubt it), it will not work.
In general, you are now in violation of the terms of use, and therefore be careful in the next steps.