Crypto stuck in sports betting site, now they want KYC

[pawanjain]

Would everyone these days read every condition from A to Z? I do not think so. It is also a matter of trust and reputation.

Then who to blame? The site? Those terms are already listed on the site right after it went live.

Admit it, we should be the one to blame for why we are not reading the Terms and Conditions because WE MAKE IT A HABIT which should be not.

Ignorance excuses no one.

You are absolutely correct. If the casino site has already mentioned in their terms and conditions then it becomes our fault not to read it.
We simply can't blame the casino because we were too lazy to read the their terms.
On the other hand if their terms and conditions is mentioning something vaguely then we can argue with them over the same.

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[judeafante]

Would everyone these days read every condition from A to Z? I do not think so. It is also a matter of trust and reputation.

Then who to blame? The site? Those terms are already listed on the site right after it went live.

Admit it, we should be the one to blame for why we are not reading the Terms and Conditions because WE MAKE IT A HABIT which should be not.

Ignorance excuses no one.

You are absolutely correct. If the casino site has already mentioned in their terms and conditions then it becomes our fault not to read it.
We simply can't blame the casino because we were too lazy to read the their terms.
On the other hand if their terms and conditions is mentioning something vaguely then we can argue with them over the same.

If you're an old player you already knew what you are going to expect in the casino's TOS but you still need to go through it, you don't have to spend the whole day reading and checking but go to the important point that you think will have an impact later on as you play, like the use of VPN and what will contribute to the violation of their rules old players usually know in heart rules that will make their account marked as abusive.

[mrongoz_imut]

If you're an old player you already knew what you are going to expect in the casino's TOS but you still need to go through it, you don't have to spend the whole day reading and checking but go to the important point that you think will have an impact later on as you play, like the use of VPN and what will contribute to the violation of their rules old players usually know in heart rules that will make their account marked as abusive.

Many gambler as expert or beginner never read above TOS or term of service just start or beginning game if not allow access with normal IP they will try using VPN, later got problem with account is not really worry for some gambler because they only take think can access and play although need help with VPN, but when suspect account have break out rule TOS of casino game they will try to complaint but looks have been late if keep play when casino site have been blacklist on their country and stuck keep using VPN for accessing.

[zidanw]

It was stuck and it was not by accident. They find a suspicious behavior on your part which is true and now they just want to confirm if there's no problem in your part or to check if you violate their terms and condition which is yes that's why they want to confirm your identity and I suggest to leave your money since you will not get it back no matter what.

You submit your KYC, they find that you are not allowed in the site. Then your account will be closed and confiscate it anyway, so don't waste effort to submit KYC and faked it too.

[Taskford]

If you're an old player you already knew what you are going to expect in the casino's TOS but you still need to go through it, you don't have to spend the whole day reading and checking but go to the important point that you think will have an impact later on as you play, like the use of VPN and what will contribute to the violation of their rules old players usually know in heart rules that will make their account marked as abusive.

Many gambler as expert or beginner never read above TOS or term of service just start or beginning game if not allow access with normal IP they will try using VPN, later got problem with account is not really worry for some gambler because they only take think can access and play although need help with VPN, but when suspect account have break out rule TOS of casino game they will try to complaint but looks have been late if keep play when casino site have been blacklist on their country and stuck keep using VPN for accessing.

This case will always occur to the people who failed the read the written rules of the casino and later on end up complaining towards the incident happen to them by using certain methods. And when casino found something strange on their account and they been ask for certain verification they deny things and mostly make blame to the casino about what they experience. If they could just read the rules for sure they can avoid those forbidden things which can cause their account to get harm.

[Emitdama]

If the casino site has already mentioned in their terms and conditions then it becomes our fault not to read it.
We simply can't blame the casino because we were too lazy to read the their terms.
On the other hand if their terms and conditions is mentioning something vaguely then we can argue with them over the same.

I think arguing doesn't either help because in the end it was still their casino and you are just a player and I think it is also written in the terms that they can do what they want and if your not going agree with it, you better not continue but you still continue because you did not read everything what is written in the terms.

Reading the terms and condition may seem to be impossible for us but I think there are really people that can dedicate their time just to read every word that is written in the ToS. They just want to make sure that everything is fine before they proceed because they are also gambling with huge amount of money.

[pawanjain]

If the casino site has already mentioned in their terms and conditions then it becomes our fault not to read it.
We simply can't blame the casino because we were too lazy to read the their terms.
On the other hand if their terms and conditions is mentioning something vaguely then we can argue with them over the same.

I think arguing doesn't either help because in the end it was still their casino and you are just a player and I think it is also written in the terms that they can do what they want and if your not going agree with it, you better not continue but you still continue because you did not read everything what is written in the terms.

Even if we are just a player if the casino has mentioned something very vaguely which they are taking to their advantage then we do have the right to argue with them.
Ofcourse they are going to win the debate since most of the casinos put a clause in their terms that they have the right to remove or modify any of their rules.

Reading the terms and condition may seem to be impossible for us but I think there are really people that can dedicate their time just to read every word that is written in the ToS. They just want to make sure that everything is fine before they proceed because they are also gambling with huge amount of money.

I think only the people who has the job of writing terms and conditions are the ones reading it word by word.
Nobody else would be reading it so carefully 

[goldkingcoiner]

Did you read the terms and conditions of the mentioned online gambling website? A lot of them do very strict checks and anyone caught going against their set rules will have a very hard time. You may have been flagged for using a VPN or some other reason.

I can't really help you because you won't even mention the said casino website, so I really do not know which TOS they go by. Getting your money back with KYC might be possible.

If you are an individual thats supposedly not allowed on the website, you might have trouble getting your money back.

[Issa56]

The number that you put must the number of the country that you use on your VPN but you have entered a number from a different country because your in a hurry. It is your fault anyway. Lesson learned here is do not rush things especially if you know that your already in a risky situation.

The amount is not a big deal for you so why bother your friends? But, if you are sure that this trick would work and your friend will be safe from any risks then go on. Just give something to your friend after finishing the deal. Some sites allows VPN and if this is one of those sites then you should not be afraid of, just tell that you accidentally input a wrong country code.

I don't know why people will just do illigal things just to make money, I don't know why you should be in rush, I believe their are lot's of gambling site that are allowed in your country and you can make money from those site, why do you have to use the site that your country is not allowed and you know your country is not allowed, but you still went against the rules and regulations, you wanted to claim smartness but after being stuck now you are complaining.

[passwordnow]

Some sports betting site now need to KYC but you still have thousand trusted site without KYC, I join on several site from Stake until several casino game without have to KYC but some time upload document needed when get problem with access to my account only, for playing game and put betting is not always have site need to upload KYC you can find oldest sport betting site without have to include your document, maybe not all want to use his document for gambling site.

But that's different to the experience of OP and the others when you get into question and you've likely violated their terms of usage.
Comparing it now to other bookies that don't ask for KYC I think is out of scope if OP is already on that part that he's being asked and he's trying to make some ways of getting out of the situation he's got in.

[Fortify]

have about $1,200 of BTC in there, nothing crazy. If I KYC myself they will simply say I broke their TOS and lock me out forever (I did the research on this already). KYC consists of ID, recent bills, and photo of yourself holding ID. The only piece of information this site has on me is an email address.

I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.

I think that the website has info about all the IP addresses and proxies you used when logging in.
There's nothing left for you but to convince one of your friends to login and try to ID verify himself,but I'm not sure that this will work,since he will have to login using a different IP address.
What if some representative of the sports betting website checks your login history and sees all those different IP addresses and VPN proxies?I'm sure that he will become suspicious and ban your account forever.
That's why using a VPN to access gambling websites is always a bad move.

If you say "$1,200 in there, nothing crazy" it sort of implies that this is a relatively small amount to you. It depends why you will have broken their terms and conditions on whether they will ban you - if you're a multi-account user with a ban on a previous account, they'd have every right to do it as you are could be taking advantage of offers or a number of other abusive strategies. If you think they'll ban you just because of something like country of origin, they might be more lenient than you think - there are people behind those customer service desks and if you're in contact with the right one they may be willing to help you out. However this situation all came about because of actions you took (avoiding the terms) so you might just have to accept it as a mistake and write the money off.

[Boristhecat]

I think that the website has info about all the IP addresses and proxies you used when logging in.
There's nothing left for you but to convince one of your friends to login and try to ID verify himself,but I'm not sure that this will work,since he will have to login using a different IP address.
What if some representative of the sports betting website checks your login history and sees all those different IP addresses and VPN proxies?I'm sure that he will become suspicious and ban your account forever.
That's why using a VPN to access gambling websites is always a bad move.

Different IP addresses by themselves do not indicate that the user is violating something - there are many reasons to log into your account from different devices, places, and even from under VPN. I think the OP should carefully study this part of the TOS (something he didn't do before he started using this site at all) and then, unless there is a strict prohibition on the use of VPNs, use the help of a friend. I think you can always come up with a story on which the use of VPN will be justified.