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The sanctions will apply to: 1. Financial markets, in the first place - borrowing, and transactions with government shares of the Russian Federation. 2. Locked in the supply of high-tech solutions - chips, systems, microelectronics, etc. In this direction, Russia is 20 years behind, and without Western electronics, entire segments will stop, including the military-industrial complex and the space program. 3. And be sure to be locked up on the supply of equipment and technologies for the extraction of gas and oil - you will laugh, but Russia does not have its own, integrated technologies for the extraction of oil and gas. Russia owns only the technologies for extracting oil and gas at shallow depths, but these reserves have almost run out, and already "today" it is necessary to start developing new ones, with deeper deposits. 4. And of course, a ban on the supply of dual-use technologies.
An oil and gas embargo is unlikely to be introduced now - it is necessary to prepare the infrastructure to supply the part of the EU that depends on Russian gas. After that, an embargo is possible.
Above all the points that you have mentioned, I was thinking if Russia is alone in all of this but I know Russia was the leader of the USSR (Soviet Union) that existed around 1922-1991. Some of these countries and more will be aligns to Russia and they are still world powers. I also did this finding if they have friends below, China being one of the friends might just be waiting for a opportunity to do attacking against US Russia enemies and friends
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The above is interesting if you think about it. The countries who are listed as enemies of Russia have actually been either threatened by it like the USA (cold war and the Cuban missile crisis) or occupied and exploited as a part of the Soviet Union (Ukraine, Poland, Latvia). Turkey as NATO member is going to stand with the US against Russia if the need comes for that. I'd also add Lithuania and Finland to the list of countries that don't like Russia too much.
When it comes to their allies, Belarus is Russia, just with a puppet leader. Now Putin wants to turn Ukraine into another puppet state to have easy land access to the Black Sea.
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February 20, 2022, 04:43:49 PM |
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The above is interesting if you think about it. The countries who are listed as enemies of Russia have actually been either threatened by it like the USA (cold war and the Cuban missile crisis) or occupied and exploited as a part of the Soviet Union (Ukraine, Poland, Latvia). Turkey as NATO member is going to stand with the US against Russia if the need comes for that. I'd also add Lithuania and Finland to the list of countries that don't like Russia too much.
When it comes to their allies, Belarus is Russia, just with a puppet leader. Now Putin wants to turn Ukraine into another puppet state to have easy land access to the Black Sea.
When it comes to war, it involves many things both the things you see as physical that you can analyse as you did and it involves also those things that you don't see. Some countries as you see them not too strong with supporting Russia may at the end finding reason of to do support for them. In the past world war it happened that it affected other countries not initially in the war. I know and think that China is going to have some hand in this if agreement is not working and China is a big block in the Asia countries and they can reach out support for Russia. Germany doesn't look very clear a friend to US I think also.
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The possible economic sanction we might see on Russia is US and other allied country will stop dealing with Russian product also with other services. And this is totally huge if US allied country will follow but I don't think Russian government are afraid on this since remember they also have allies and most provably they don't need US since they are already have ways to boost up there economy that's why there government is brave towards decision making on what they think beneficial to them.
They have enough energy to actually cause trouble for Europe and that is what they are trusting on. If you put sanctions on Russia and do not sell them anything, then they will stop giving you energy. Which means that Russia will suffer because they can't get anything from outer world but they could work with China which we all know could end up helping them financially and give them whatever alternatives, maybe Russians can't get iphone but they can get Huwaei and that's the type of situation Russia will be in and that is not ideal but not horrible. However, Europe will be losing energy and that is not something they could get alternatively, they have some themselves but they were getting more from Russia and they will be lacking that. It would be worse for Europe then it would be for Russia.
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Russia could give two shits about the threats of economic sanctions against them, because they have Europe eating out of their hands for the petroleum and oil that they are providing to them. They will simply cut their prices and the rest of the world will come running to get the cheaper oil and gas. Russia are also backed by a lot of other countries with no sanctions .... so they will simply import from them, so they will not feel those sanctions. The thing is...... nobody can afford a World War III ..... so we will just see Russia pushing their weight around and the USA flexing their political muscles.
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So I'm wondering what kind of unprecedented economic sanction can be given to Russia if they continue to evade Ukraine.
Sanctions: United States strategies to make sanctions against a country are economic, political, bank or stock market sanctions that can cause severe inflation to the country, it's US method and Strategy, however, it applies to other weak countries, as we know US officials will take action against Russia for invading Ukraine, US will plan to burden Russia's economy. Wait a minute, Russia is not a weak country, Russia is a superpower, they are not afraid of sanctions and threats from US officials, history has proven until now that Russia is not easy to give up in this matter, if the US does as I said above Russia can hit back and hit the US economy, as I know gas for Europe is supplied from Russia, they can cut shipping and increase cyber attacks on European and US infrastructure too, they are not the type to submit to other countries, they have the weapons to counterattack their opponents. In my opinion, if the US can impose sanctions on Russia, Russia can counterattack, they will destroy global economic stability. conclusion: the sanctions that the US wants to carry out against Russia could have a bad impact globally including America, America picked the wrong opponent this time. You forget about the Russian "big brother" - CHINA. The fate of Russia, in fact, depends on the position of China. And if now China decides that it needs Russia, but as a donor of resources or territories, then tomorrow Russia will cease to exist and become a new region of the PRC. Stories about a "strong economy" and the same fabulous "strongest army" of Russia are a myth. The only real threat from the Russian Federation is the remnants of nuclear weapons, everything else is "wearing the clothes of the deceased grandfather", i.e. the USSR
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The US treasury would be directed to impose sanctions on Russian oligarchs or specific companies such as Russian banks, energy companies, or defense firms.
Another area would be cutting Russia off from the SWIFT system, which would remove Russian institutions from an important global electronic payment system.
Another key target is the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which when operational has the potential to double the amount of natural gas moved from Russia to Germany through the Baltic Sea. It is a major revenue source target for the Russian.
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Kamala Harris (US Vice President) making some statement on the Russia and Ukraine problem said US and her aligns will impose unprecedented economic sanction on Russia if they continue to evade or attack Ukraine. So I'm wondering what kind of unprecedented economic sanction can be given to Russia if they continue to evade Ukraine.
The US will no longer impose any sanctions on Russia. Even when Ukraine itself demanded that the US should impose sanctions on Russia, the US refused their request. This is reasonable, considering that if the US imposes more sanctions on Russia this will have a bad impact on relations between Russia and the US, which will provide a strong reason for Russia to reduce their supply of oil and gas to US allies. in Europe and this will also further strengthen relations between Russia and China, which the US does not want to happen.
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There are already many countries and people under sanctions by the USA and they are still living their lives without any problem so I don't think the sanctions by the USA is going to make Russia a poor country but this will definitely affect the situation in this country, about the economic sanctions as far sd I know about it there can be different levels of economic sanctions, they just suspend any financial deal between their bank and Russian banks, in this case, you may have problems while transferring your money to/from the USA from Russia and in some other cases they may suspend only transactions by the government and in this case, the government may have a problem while selling oil or their other products, however regardless of all these if they chose to use bitcoin they can bypass all these economic sanctions.
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You forget about the Russian "big brother" - CHINA. The fate of Russia, in fact, depends on the position of China. And if now China decides that it needs Russia, but as a donor of resources or territories, then tomorrow Russia will cease to exist and become a new region of the PRC. Stories about a "strong economy" and the same fabulous "strongest army" of Russia are a myth. The only real threat from the Russian Federation is the remnants of nuclear weapons, everything else is "wearing the clothes of the deceased grandfather", i.e. the USSR
You are forgetting that China is staying away from this war for now because of a reason. If they wanted to get involved then they would have already sent some help to Russia to show their help. However lets assume that they are not right now but they will in case of a sanction, even in that situation do you really think that China would get away with it, without a problem? Obviously they are going to end up with a big problem because China sells all of the cheap manufactured things to nations with money, all those items are going to Europe and the USA, which means if you remove ALL of Europe and USA from Chinese companies then they won't make enough money and as a nation with 1+ billion people, they really need to handle all of this in order to continue living, even a small problem would equal to another 20+ million people dead famine as well.
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You forget about the Russian "big brother" - CHINA. The fate of Russia, in fact, depends on the position of China. And if now China decides that it needs Russia, but as a donor of resources or territories, then tomorrow Russia will cease to exist and become a new region of the PRC. Stories about a "strong economy" and the same fabulous "strongest army" of Russia are a myth. The only real threat from the Russian Federation is the remnants of nuclear weapons, everything else is "wearing the clothes of the deceased grandfather", i.e. the USSR
You are forgetting that China is staying away from this war for now because of a reason. If they wanted to get involved then they would have already sent some help to Russia to show their help. However lets assume that they are not right now but they will in case of a sanction, even in that situation do you really think that China would get away with it, without a problem? Obviously they are going to end up with a big problem because China sells all of the cheap manufactured things to nations with money, all those items are going to Europe and the USA, which means if you remove ALL of Europe and USA from Chinese companies then they won't make enough money and as a nation with 1+ billion people, they really need to handle all of this in order to continue living, even a small problem would equal to another 20+ million people dead famine as well. https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-02-19/Wang-Yi-attends-Munich-Security-Conference-via-video-link-17MCPuu6eti/index.htmlChina has officially confirmed that China supports the territorial integrity of countries in Europe, including Ukraine. And this is not at all a friendly position towards the Russian Federation. Although the Russian Federation has always "boasted" at all corners of its "strong friendship with the fraternal Chinese people." China is smart, China will not support a terrorist state, and will not shove against international laws. PS. After Putin's speech, the Russian economy, for 1.5. hours lost 1 trillion rubles! This has not yet been imposed sanctions, and Western leaders have not made statements ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Kamala Harris (US Vice President) making some statement on the Russia and Ukraine problem said US and her aligns will impose unprecedented economic sanction on Russia if they continue to evade or attack Ukraine. So I'm wondering what kind of unprecedented economic sanction can be given to Russia if they continue to evade Ukraine.
The US and European states did not want to disclose what measures would be taken if even a single Russian soldier openly set foot on the territory of Ukraine, so that Russia could not prepare for them. But gradually some of them began to open slightly. First of all, Russia will be cut off from the use of the dollar and the euro in financial transactions. The import of the main strategic goods for Russia will either be limited or completely banned. All assets of Russian citizens outside of Russia will be frozen, and confiscated for Putin and his entourage. We should see these sanctions in the coming days. Yesterday, Putin recognized the existence of two independent republics on the territory of Ukraine, and already tonight he openly sent his troops and heavy military equipment there. Russian troops stood on the line of contact with the troops of Ukraine. This is open warfare.
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It's sad to see how the behavior of developed countries is changing. War to punish poverty riots is not the way to create a better world. I don't support what the US and the west are doing, but seeing as many problems have existed after many wars, perhaps the beneficiaries we don't know will continue to manipulate everything. What the US did before through economic sanctions only created more hatred, and we are just small people who want the operators to have a peaceful solution. I put my faith in God, as well as love the Buddha, and look at it to build a good life.
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February 22, 2022, 11:02:14 AM |
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Maybe an embargo on products that's going to help with their conquest will be the one that's US is going to use, but I don't think that US is going to do enough to hinder Russia's advance since Russia has China and other former Soviet countries as allies in their fight so I think that an economic sanctions from other countries are going to be that effective.
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February 22, 2022, 11:17:05 AM |
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The US authority is collecting a list of measures, this is what we can define it sanction to impose and a normal procedure to force and an ordinary methodology to prevent Russia from attacking Ukraine. I doubt Putin will care, if he is determined to invade. He won't care about bloodshed nor any financial difficulties. I think invasion isn't well for any country. Putin should avoid any fight. We should stand up, stop all this pointless sanctions, and start normal dialogue more preferred choice over militarization.
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February 22, 2022, 11:31:19 AM Last edit: February 22, 2022, 03:24:04 PM by DrBeer |
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The sanctions will apply to: 1. Financial markets, in the first place - borrowing, and transactions with government shares of the Russian Federation. 2. Locked in the supply of high-tech solutions - chips, systems, microelectronics, etc. In this direction, Russia is 20 years behind, and without Western electronics, entire segments will stop, including the military-industrial complex and the space program. 3. And be sure to be locked up on the supply of equipment and technologies for the extraction of gas and oil - you will laugh, but Russia does not have its own, integrated technologies for the extraction of oil and gas. Russia owns only the technologies for extracting oil and gas at shallow depths, but these reserves have almost run out, and already "today" it is necessary to start developing new ones, with deeper deposits. 4. And of course, a ban on the supply of dual-use technologies.
An oil and gas embargo is unlikely to be introduced now - it is necessary to prepare the infrastructure to supply the part of the EU that depends on Russian gas. After that, an embargo is possible.
Above all the points that you have mentioned, I was thinking if Russia is alone in all of this but I know Russia was the leader of the USSR (Soviet Union) that existed around 1922-1991. Some of these countries and more will be aligns to Russia and they are still world powers. I also did this finding if they have friends below, China being one of the friends might just be waiting for a opportunity to do attacking against US Russia enemies and friendsLet's divide into friends who will go to the end and support Russia, and those who do not say that "Russia is a criminal." Among the friends of the Russian Federation, 2 interesting countries are indicated - China and India. Yes, it seems like China is making plans for world rule, does not like the West, the totalitarian regime. Everything is so, with the exception of one nuance - China is not idiots, to resist that part of the world that consumes most of the product of their economy, especially yesterday, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, during his speech at the Munich Conference, openly stated the need to respect and protect sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries. According to him, Ukraine is no exception to this principle. Those. China's position cannot be called partner and friendly towards the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation for China is a raw material appendage, but nothing more. India - out of 100% of Indian exports, Russia occupies ... as much as 4%! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) In the structure of imports, Russia's place is below 12th place, with an indicator below 5%. At the same time, the USA is the leader in imports (2nd place) and exports (1st place). Question ! Tell me - what is India's interest in supporting a terrorist country and breaking off relations with key importers-exporters of goods and services? UPD 22/02/2022 Kazakhstan refused to support Russia and recognize the "independence" of obscure entities, the DNR/LNR. According to Kazakhstan, this process does not comply with international agreements. The crazy miserable copy of the Fuhrer has fewer and fewer friends ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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February 23, 2022, 07:47:31 AM |
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The current tense situation has not opened any opportunities for cooperation in favor of acceptance between both the US and Russia. They do not want to lose the ego of a leading economy in the world with modesty. In the worst case, the US and its NaTo ally can set up a series of sanctions against Russia, in addition, it does not exclude the possibility that the US will isolate and exclude Russian banks, ban them from dealing with American banks, Americans for example. Of course, this only leads to retaliation from Russia. Geopolitics now only bring pain to the people, poverty comes with inflation
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February 23, 2022, 12:09:54 PM |
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There are already many countries and people under sanctions by the USA and they are still living their lives without any problem so I don't think the sanctions by the USA is going to make Russia a poor country but this will definitely affect the situation in this country, about the economic sanctions as far sd I know about it there can be different levels of economic sanctions, they just suspend any financial deal between their bank and Russian banks, in this case, you may have problems while transferring your money to/from the USA from Russia and in some other cases they may suspend only transactions by the government and in this case, the government may have a problem while selling oil or their other products, however regardless of all these if they chose to use bitcoin they can bypass all these economic sanctions.
Maybe the sanction given to other country is not heavy because they why can they still live normally? is USA that powerful enough? Because, why can they give such sanction to every country but I don't think that USA can make Russia poor. It is not easy as that because Russian country is large and this country is also a well developed country. If it is about bank problems, they can use bitcoin for a while. Bitcoin has no restriction and they are free to use it for sending and receiving money but I really think they shouldn't sanction Russia if they will evade the attack but rather they should sanction Ukraine because they are the ones that want the war to continue as they keep on attacking.
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February 23, 2022, 03:48:10 PM |
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It's sad to see how the behavior of developed countries is changing. War to punish poverty riots is not the way to create a better world. I don't support what the US and the west are doing, but seeing as many problems have existed after many wars, perhaps the beneficiaries we don't know will continue to manipulate everything. What the US did before through economic sanctions only created more hatred, and we are just small people who want the operators to have a peaceful solution. I put my faith in God, as well as love the Buddha, and look at it to build a good life.
I would guess that it is a bit more about politics then punishment. It is all nationalistic approach and getting some things done. Crimea was the same thing as well, there were a lot of Russian populated areas there, people were mainly Russian actually but the land belonged to Ukraine politically, Russia decided since Russians lived there, it should be liberated and they did it, and nobody did a thing about it. Since, Russia knew that it would be horrible if they kept pushing forever, Putin just enacted a plan to keep doing the same thing with just some time in between so it wouldn't look bad. Now, they are doing it again. This probably either gains Putin votes (which he doesn't need since they are not fair elections) or it just makes him feel good about being a dictator or something. Basically, it is all bad and it all ties with Putin in the end.
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February 23, 2022, 07:16:54 PM |
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The US authority is collecting a list of measures, this is what we can define it sanction to impose and a normal procedure to force and an ordinary methodology to prevent Russia from attacking Ukraine. I doubt Putin will care, if he is determined to invade. He won't care about bloodshed nor any financial difficulties. I think invasion isn't well for any country. Putin should avoid any fight. We should stand up, stop all this pointless sanctions, and start normal dialogue more preferred choice over militarization.
Putin initially thought it would be easy for him to conquer the rest of Ukraine, much as it was relatively easy for him to do so in 2014. But here he miscalculated. Ukraine and its army has already become stronger. In addition, he did not think that this time the reaction of the world to aggressive military actions against Ukraine would be so one-sided and decisive. This time, the countries of Europe realized that Putin would not stop in Ukraine and the self-preservation instinct worked. Putin, by his actions, drove Russia into a dead end, and in order to save his face, he decided to recognize the LPR and the DPR, and also sent troops there. With this, he played well with Ukraine, since everything fell into place and Putin’s aggressive actions and intentions are no longer in doubt. Therefore, Putin and Russia will fail anyway.
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