Slot Games' RTP, variable??

[Danydee]

I have seen many casino players, that before playing the first thing they investigate is the RTP offered by the slots,

 You found me just reflecting about this point,, I think in addition to a first RTP verification, you should verify it regularly "on the game", (I been experienced) sometimes casinos start forwarding to a different (lower) RTP version without notice and even without making update of the RTP announced on the casino description !

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[yahoo62278]

I feel like you can see the difference from casino to casino if playing the same game. I'll notice a bonus hits more often on xxx site vs another. I could be complately fucked in the head and just be seeing what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure casinos can request different rtps.

[Danydee]

I feel like you can see the difference from casino to casino if playing the same game. I'll notice a bonus hits more often on xxx site vs another. I could be complately fucked in the head and just be seeing what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure casinos can request different rtps.

 That's the fact, providers are been making available different RTP versions for the casinos for many many games.. sometimes with huge difference between the highest and the lowest version! Most of time you can verify this in the game on the game informations, but for some providers there is option to not show the RTP!

I think there is been some games that have no different RTP versions, like: ("Sweet Bonanza" Pragmatic  and  "Guns n Roses" from NETENT.)
My guess is while for the first is question of reputation regarding to the popularity of the game, for the second is maybe due to some clauses of the contract made with the (Guns n Roses) band !!






Sometimes while using the search you can see a casino holding both versions of a same game:

 Searching for a game, and guess what !?
 I literally found two versions of it, maybe could think that is just a displaying bug, but:

              





 After looking on games infos of each version it is been confirmed

              

 Here the lowered version is called "DX1" !

[mak013]

I feel like you can see the difference from casino to casino if playing the same game. I'll notice a bonus hits more often on xxx site vs another. I could be complately fucked in the head and just be seeing what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure casinos can request different rtps.

Different casinos have different RTP, you`re right, but the difference is small enough to feel it if you gambling less than a month i think. And it is possible that in one casino you feel that you win more often than in another but i think that the most times it is just luck and when you`d gamble for a month - you`d not see any difference if RTP in these casinos is the same.

[Danydee]

I feel like you can see the difference from casino to casino if playing the same game. I'll notice a bonus hits more often on xxx site vs another. I could be complately fucked in the head and just be seeing what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure casinos can request different rtps.

Different casinos have different RTP, you`re right, but the difference is small enough to feel it if you gambling less than a month i think. And it is possible that in one casino you feel that you win more often than in another but i think that the most times it is just luck and when you`d gamble for a month - you`d not see any difference if RTP in these casinos is the same.

So in your opinion, in general do a variation/difference of 2 percent is perceptible or not perceptible! ??

[Betwrong]

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Some of the providers that actually have ONE fix RTP version of the game(s) are:

Big Time Gaming
Relax Gaming
YGGDRASIL
Elk Studios
Iron Dog Studios
Nextgen Gaming
Kalamba Games
~

Where did you get that info? It's very interesting to me. Can you share, please?

~ In the case that games are hosted on different servers (not official servers of the game provider), then those are "fake" slots, and yes, anything can happen. Here I am talking about industry software providers (Pragmatic, Microgaming, BTG, NLC....etc).

But reputable gambling sites don't do such things, right?

~
To add, if I'm not mistaken, online casinos' RTP on both DEMO and ACTUAL slot can be different, in which they add more RTP on the DEMO mode. Not sure if it's absolutely true, my experience on both gambling with real money and playing demo modes, in demo, I'm winning a lot. So I guess it is somewhat true.

This is certainly not true. Regulators would shut down such site/provider immediately.

Also, form my personal experience, I can't say the payouts in DEMO mode is higher than they are in real mode.


I read somewhere (I think it was Wired, but I can't find the article now) that slot providers can change RTP of their slots for promo reasons on a grand scale. Not just 2%-3%, the difference we are talking about, but increasing the RTP to something like 150% for some time. But it's still a mystery to me whether it happens or not in reality.

[mak013]

I feel like you can see the difference from casino to casino if playing the same game. I'll notice a bonus hits more often on xxx site vs another. I could be complately fucked in the head and just be seeing what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure casinos can request different rtps.

Different casinos have different RTP, you`re right, but the difference is small enough to feel it if you gambling less than a month i think. And it is possible that in one casino you feel that you win more often than in another but i think that the most times it is just luck and when you`d gamble for a month - you`d not see any difference if RTP in these casinos is the same.

So in your opinion, in general do a variation/difference of 2 percent is perceptible or not perceptible! ??

If you`re gambling just for fun - 1-2 times a week for example - you don`t see the difference. If you`re gambling several hours per day and every day for a long time - 2 percent becomes a significant difference.
If you gambling for $100 - you get difference just $2. If you gambling for $10.000 it becomes $200. Percent the same, but sum differs.

[Danydee]

If you`re gambling several hours per day and every day for a long time - ...

If you're gambling several hours each day you're no longer able to see anything !

[mak013]

If you`re gambling several hours per day and every day for a long time - ...

If you're gambling several hours each day you're no longer able to see anything !

It is not a problem for some men, i even know such a man. I always say that there is no one recipe for everybody. I can answer you in common - that is how i answered before. Or i can tell my opinion for my type of gambling.
For me 2% difference of RTP - doesn`t matter. I gamble mostly for 20-30 minutes and with small sums - i don`t see if i lose $1-2 more.

[danadc]

I feel like you can see the difference from casino to casino if playing the same game. I'll notice a bonus hits more often on xxx site vs another. I could be complately fucked in the head and just be seeing what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure casinos can request different rtps.

Different casinos have different RTP, you`re right, but the difference is small enough to feel it if you gambling less than a month i think. And it is possible that in one casino you feel that you win more often than in another but i think that the most times it is just luck and when you`d gamble for a month - you`d not see any difference if RTP in these casinos is the same.

So in your opinion, in general do a variation/difference of 2 percent is perceptible or not perceptible! ??

If I am playing in a casino that has a very good RTP, for me it is a very good thing, I have a very high chance of winning, but how can the casino survive if things go wrong? Does a casino have all the availability to then change the RTP at your convenience? and if it is done I think they have to announce it or put it next to the slot that changed it, I don't think they change the RTP in certain slots, I think that if they change they should do it in all available slots so that they can be equivalent for all, and no there is no type of claim for anyone, and this is what the transparency of every casino is about, above all legality.

[yahoo62278]

I feel like you can see the difference from casino to casino if playing the same game. I'll notice a bonus hits more often on xxx site vs another. I could be complately fucked in the head and just be seeing what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure casinos can request different rtps.

Different casinos have different RTP, you`re right, but the difference is small enough to feel it if you gambling less than a month i think. And it is possible that in one casino you feel that you win more often than in another but i think that the most times it is just luck and when you`d gamble for a month - you`d not see any difference if RTP in these casinos is the same.

So in your opinion, in general do a variation/difference of 2 percent is perceptible or not perceptible! ??

If I am playing in a casino that has a very good RTP, for me it is a very good thing, I have a very high chance of winning, but how can the casino survive if things go wrong? Does a casino have all the availability to then change the RTP at your convenience? and if it is done I think they have to announce it or put it next to the slot that changed it, I don't think they change the RTP in certain slots, I think that if they change they should do it in all available slots so that they can be equivalent for all, and no there is no type of claim for anyone, and this is what the transparency of every casino is about, above all legality.

Casinos love slots players, that's their bread and butter. Most large jackpots will take forever to hit and in most cases the casino has long gotten their money.

[Danydee]

 @danadc
 There is very good blog about these here
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386501.msg59833321#msg59833321

I think that if they change they should do it in all available slots so that they can be equivalent for all

It is very depending on what is available from the games providers, and not all providers are doing the same way.. some providers allow to just not display the RTP on the games informations. For some game there is three different  RTP levels, For some it almost self-evident that there is only one rtp version existing.
 For some, casinos can just choose to not provide them..

 And it is also question of payment structure.. for exemple for a game that can pay decent profits quite frequently casinos could not adopt it or not adopt a (relatively) high rtp version of it!





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 Hi

 Si it is true that RTP of slot games can be adapted to the casinos preferences ??
 
 do all providers do this ?


 And what about when slots are accessed directly on the casino website, here anything can happen, things like avoiding use of RNG too.



 Thanks to everybody

I think in theory it is impossible, moreover, the games are certified. All slots that you access on casinos websites are provided via API. This means that the casino is a kind of an intermediary between you and software producers.

Hi BrutalFive,

The question was if RTP of slot games can  be adapted to casino preferences. Well, let's say not adapted but the FACT is that casinos CAN choose RTP settings if they are available on software provider's side.
Look for example, the latest release from the Nolimit City game provider:



There are two RTP settings options: 96.09% & 94.13%
Some providers have more RTP settings options, like Pragmatic Play (3 RTP settings). And some, don't have options of lower RTP settings, just default/top one.

Hope this helps.

[Betwrong]

If you`re gambling several hours per day and every day for a long time - ...

If you're gambling several hours each day you're no longer able to see anything !

It is not a problem for some men, i even know such a man. I always say that there is no one recipe for everybody. I can answer you in common - that is how i answered before. Or i can tell my opinion for my type of gambling.
For me 2% difference of RTP - doesn`t matter. I gamble mostly for 20-30 minutes and with small sums - i don`t see if i lose $1-2 more.

Indeed, to feel a 2% difference in RTP one have to make millions of bets. It's important for gambling sites and providers, but not so much to us, regular gamblers. Overall I think looking for a slot with lower RTP is pointless, you can lose all your balance playing a slot with 99% RTP, and you can win a lot playing Mega Moolah with 88% RTP. If you had a united army of many thousands of bettors, it would matter for you, but for an individual player it doesn't.

[Danydee]

 Again, those things are very depending on some others factors.. with a game with very low hit ratio and high volatility, you can lose consequently huge balance without winning a single bet, losing bet after bet till the end..
 but mathematically, the expectation is to lose your balance twice as fast playing a game with 96%RTP that playing with 98%PTP !

 Some casinos can provide games with very hight RTP and in the same time choose to not for some games or they simply do not provide them.. that is because of the payment structure, in some games you can get huge profits relatively quite quickly, so and then stop playing.. so and then if there is not lot of attendance on the game on the casino itself, the casino can choose to not endorse the benefit/risk ratio!




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 About feeling a difference not,
 Imagine you playing one of those games with very high volatility and low hit ratio, events that equalizing your bance or recovering some of your bets is occurring just with those some rare decent wins or hitting bonus rounds,, then you have practically two times less chances to hit good wins.. and you can burst your balance practically two times more quickly!

[LUCKMCFLY]

I have seen many casino players, that before playing the first thing they investigate is the RTP offered by the slots,

 You found me just reflecting about this point,, I think in addition to a first RTP verification, you should verify it regularly "on the game", (I been experienced) sometimes casinos start forwarding to a different (lower) RTP version without notice and even without making update of the RTP announced on the casino description !

Well, sometimes if the casinos change the RTP constantly, it is something that I do not know if they do it according to what the slot provider recommends, I know that this is something very much theirs, and that a provider says that it is the best for them and when they can be willing to lose, however I have thought that this is an issue that does have a lot to do with the different types of slots, although it sounds a bit strange, I feel that the Pragamatic play style slots I feel that I have more lucky to win, even though I'm not looking to win but to be entertained, but if I've noticed that a lot, in fact some casinos have their apparent RTP in their slots at the bottom.

[Betwrong]

~ About feeling a difference not,
 Imagine you playing one of those games with very high volatility and low hit ratio, events that equalizing your bance or recovering some of your bets is occurring just with those some rare decent wins or hitting bonus rounds,, then you have practically two times less chances to hit good wins.. and you can burst your balance practically two times more quickly!

I'll say from my own experience. I play different slots with various RTP, including Mega Moolah with 88% RTP seeing it like buying a lottery ticket, and, with the exception of Mega Moolah, I have never felt the difference. I mean, high volatility slots still providing you with small wins, and the frequency of those wins are often higher than on low volatility slots. Just recently I lost almost 20 bets in a row on a low volatility slot. This never happened to me when I was playing Money Train 2, and I played that slot a lot.

[Danydee]

 Anyway, atributing a certain amount/bankroll to risk for playing, for a difference of 2% between 98%RTP and 96%RTP for example is (mathematically/probably) two times less for playing.. !

[Saint-loup]

~ About feeling a difference not,
 Imagine you playing one of those games with very high volatility and low hit ratio, events that equalizing your bance or recovering some of your bets is occurring just with those some rare decent wins or hitting bonus rounds,, then you have practically two times less chances to hit good wins.. and you can burst your balance practically two times more quickly!

I'll say from my own experience. I play different slots with various RTP, including Mega Moolah with 88% RTP seeing it like buying a lottery ticket, and, with the exception of Mega Moolah, I have never felt the difference. I mean, high volatility slots still providing you with small wins, and the frequency of those wins are often higher than on low volatility slots. Just recently I lost almost 20 bets in a row on a low volatility slot. This never happened to me when I was playing Money Train 2, and I played that slot a lot.

Your experience is surprising because when the hit ratio is low it's very quickly noticeable for the players usually. Quicker than a low RTP IMO. Actually I think I made one of my biggest losses on a slot with a high RTP but a small hit ratio (5%), I didn't pay attention to its hit ratio, and I started to play with a rather large stake because I thought it was safe to play on a slot with such a high RTP. Unfortunately I encountered long losing streaks that wiped out my balance before I managed to bring my PnL anywhere near 70% RTP at any time.

[velzevul11]

Maybe this could be of help. This does not cover all games producers, but still...

Playngo: up to 6 RTP Variants between 99% – 84%
Pragmatic Play: almost all games up to 5 RTP Variants between 96% – 87%.
Red Tiger: almost all games up to 5 RTP Variants between 98% – 90%
Nolimit City: almost all games 2 RTP Variants: 96% & 94%
Spinomenal: almost all games 4 RTP Variants 96% – 89%
Habanero: almost all games up to 4 RTP Variants between 98% – 92%
Swintt: almost all games 2 RTP Variants: 95% – 92%
isoftBet: almost all games 2 RTP Variants: 96% & 92%
Push Gaming: several games 2 RTP Variants: 96% & 95%
Netent: many games up to 8 RTP Variants between 99% – 90%
Microgaming: several games 3 RTP Variants: 96% – 92%
Blueprint: a few games 2 RTP Variants: 96% & 94%
Quickspin: a few Games 3 RTP Variants between 96% – 90%
Thunderkick:  One game 2 RTP Variants: 96% & % 94%
ELK: Can't be adjusted
Yggdrasil: Can't be adjusted

[velzevul11]

Many gambling casinos right now is giving a good RTP to their games because this courage a lot of members or players to play in their gambling casino, also regarding the exact algorithm or variable with it because this is confidential with the database connection, but still, there's information in the internet that could be used as references to the RTP of the casino.

there are casinos that publish this data, also often can be found in games rules and there other sometimes peculiar methods, for example:

Book of Dead, playngo:

Stake - 96%
Roobet - 94%
Duelbits - 96%
Bitcasino - 96%
Winz - 96%
Betfury - 96%
Punt - 96%