Russia - Ukraine | War imminent?

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We can see the drop in bitcoin price when Ukraine invasion was decleared by Russian president, but I do not think this will have a long term effect on bitcoin price. We should remember how bitcoin price dropped during Covid-19 and how it increased again to over $10500 during covid-19.

The only thing is that they can probably still import most of those from China...

China will really be happy about this, China wants the economic power.

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[fiulpro]

Possibility of a war?
I live in Ukraine and we did not wake up with alarms today but apparently with explosions. The main airports were destroyed and at the same time the government is busy painting signs where the explosions happened. Market have dropped drastically and the price of Bitcoins have been reduced to like 9% ! The oil prices have surged a lot and so did the prices of golf at the same time. Russia is legalizing bitcoins but it feels like people are talking all their money out. The ATM's are all closed and also there is nowhere to take your money out as well. This is going to make the market situations worse not just for the Russians but for everyone else as well.

[onecall123]

But the news of the imminent war is all over so I told my self that the drop has something to do with this geo-political news.

Obviously that happened.  Right at the moment the news that Putin authorized the special military wave, the entire market quickly reacted to that panic, the 1 and 4 o'clock candles showed mostly liquidation.  Bitcoin has fallen below $35k to its lowest price since the big correction in January but I think bitcoin will be the next key in the economic downturn associated with this absurd war plot.  Some air strikes are probably going on and pray for the innocent people, the trauma, the misery

There were multiple explosions heard in Kyiv and the Eastern part of Ukraine after Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a military operation in Ukraine. The only sound I can hear from Kyiv is explosions. I pray for everyone's safety. The world will never see the light of peace as long as there are capitalist colonialists and multicultural colonialists. Is anyone pulling most of their investments from the market as a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Or are you considering this a tragic opportunity to buy more.

[killerfrost]

Although we don't want this to happen in our lives, it is happening in a bad way. I've tried to learn about world history and look at conflicts, and there's a lot of things that are being repeated about the economic conflicts of interests of nations, outbreaks of diseases, wars... it's hard to judge who is right and wrong when all sides have their own views, but war is the worst way to make a new beginning 

[pawanjain]

Things are getting heated as we speak about the Russia Ukraine conflict. I hope violence shouldn't go to an extent were innocent lives are killed.
Although Russia has declared a fight against Ukraine I hope things settle down soon. May be both parties will come to a mutual understanding.

As for bitcoin, Russia has many BTC holders and may be they are in a state of panic which has caused the selling.
But eventually the dust will settle and we will bitcoin price increasing again. It's just a matter of time.

[ivankoh]

The only thing is that they can probably still import most of those from China...

This means that this plan has been made in advance, they want to use diplomatic friendship with China as a springboard to use force to redraw history.  I'm afraid that is the key point that Russia claims not to be afraid of large-scale economic sanctions.  Taking a holistic view of the emergency situation in Ukraine, the eventual consequences will be dire and damaging and recessionary to high inflation.

[uchegod-21]

Although we don't want this to happen in our lives, it is happening in a bad way. I've tried to learn about world history and look at conflicts, and there's a lot of things that are being repeated about the economic conflicts of interests of nations, outbreaks of diseases, wars... it's hard to judge who is right and wrong when all sides have their own views, but war is the worst way to make a new beginning 

History has a way to repeat itself, no matter how you try to avoid it, it will still happen. In this one, I am strongly looking upto Biden to be more hard on Russia to seize fire. I listened to him imposing some financial related restrictions on Russia, but I think it is not enough to stop Putin and his men.
Putin does not have much regard to Biden, but he should understand that Biden is different from America. While Biden is an individual, America is a nation state.

[cabron]

I live in Ukraine. According to the news, at 4:30 am today, Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine. The attack took place on the side of the Russian border, as well as on the side of the Belarusian border. Explosions are shown in different cities of Ukraine, as well as Kiev. They hit airports, ammunition depots and other critical infrastructure. The armed forces of Ukraine entered the battle. Let's see what happens next.
We have just heard that a Russian fighter jet has been shot down over Ukraine.

Thank you for busting the FUD that are being spread around the world.    Can you give us constant updates on the things happening there and how your government are dealing with this? Do you see any foreign troops entering your country... or are this just your own army fighting by themselves?

I hope the rest of the world will do anything in their power to prevent a full scale war, because there are no winners in a war. Also, please give us a bit of background on why Russia is so focused on invading the Ukraine?

May God be with you in these terrible times.  

The explosions are in Donbas, that's outside Ukraine. Donbas is a separate region that declared independence from Ukraine and Russia inhabited by rebels. Putin clear out that part to position, hitting a precise target and once again ask their demands to be heard to stay out of NATO.

It really depends on Zelensky to escalate this. Going Neutral is his very option and Putin will stay back, that's Russia's demand. They didn't even ask Zelensky to step down.

[jrrsparkles]

Some positive news came out this morning, Putin announced that he has no interest for capturing the Ukraine probably they may free the Russian support states and let the remaining on their own and also US said no military aid for Ukraine so we may see an end soon and hope many lives will be saved. Along with this news the price of Bitcoin and gold started to shoot up a little bit.

[Darker45]

As more market uncertainty arises due to the possibility of a war, probably expect more draw-downs across the board(stocks, crypto)

However, it is a curious case that just minutes before Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine, the price of Bitcoin has suddenly leaped high. There was a spike of around $2,000 in the price of Bitcoin even if the Russian attack is getting imminent. So perhaps, on the contrary, it could be argued that a war or a full-scale attack-- which means that banks and ATMs are expected to be non-operational and people would be fleeing-- would somehow increase the demand of Bitcoin as people would definitely find more efficient ways to keep their wealth safe. 

[killerfrost]

Although we don't want this to happen in our lives, it is happening in a bad way. I've tried to learn about world history and look at conflicts, and there's a lot of things that are being repeated about the economic conflicts of interests of nations, outbreaks of diseases, wars... it's hard to judge who is right and wrong when all sides have their own views, but war is the worst way to make a new beginning 

History has a way to repeat itself, no matter how you try to avoid it, it will still happen. In this one, I am strongly looking upto Biden to be more hard on Russia to seize fire. I listened to him imposing some financial related restrictions on Russia, but I think it is not enough to stop Putin and his men.
Putin does not have much regard to Biden, but he should understand that Biden is different from America. While Biden is an individual, America is a nation state.

I do not believe in the actions of the current US presidency, and I myself do not support the behavior that the US and the EU consider magnanimous. In certain ways or sources of information, we approach differently and will have different opinions. Looking at many things about the war to find out why it went badly, we've got a whole bunch of things. Information that cannot be verified. I look at what has happened at this point, and I think Putin will sort things out soon.

[mk4]

As more market uncertainty arises due to the possibility of a war, probably expect more draw-downs across the board(stocks, crypto)

However, it is a curious case that just minutes before Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine, the price of Bitcoin has suddenly leaped high. There was a spike of around $2,000 in the price of Bitcoin even if the Russian attack is getting imminent. So perhaps, on the contrary, it could be argued that a war or a full-scale attack-- which means that banks and ATMs are expected to be non-operational and people would be fleeing-- would somehow increase the demand of Bitcoin as people would definitely find more efficient ways to keep their wealth safe. 
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Probably, but it's definitely too early to make conclusions. I mean, this recent bump up in price pretty much just covered the flash crash we had yesterday lol. Truth be told — a huge majority of Ukranians will still be attempting to get their money out of the system, rather than rushing onto exchanges to buy bitcoin.

[Darker45]

As more market uncertainty arises due to the possibility of a war, probably expect more draw-downs across the board(stocks, crypto)

However, it is a curious case that just minutes before Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine, the price of Bitcoin has suddenly leaped high. There was a spike of around $2,000 in the price of Bitcoin even if the Russian attack is getting imminent. So perhaps, on the contrary, it could be argued that a war or a full-scale attack-- which means that banks and ATMs are expected to be non-operational and people would be fleeing-- would somehow increase the demand of Bitcoin as people would definitely find more efficient ways to keep their wealth safe. 
https://i.imgur.com/DZOhO6L.png

Probably, but it's definitely too early to make conclusions. I mean, this recent bump up in price pretty much just covered the flash crash we had yesterday lol. Truth be told — a huge majority of Ukranians will still be attempting to get their money out of the system, rather than rushing onto exchanges to buy bitcoin.

Yes, of course. There are no conclusions here. We're all simply speculating, but based on available facts, of course. As a matter of fact, there is also that possibility that all these price movements of Bitcoin and the rest of the crypto market don't have anything to do with this Russia-Ukraine conflict or war. War has been imminent for the past hours, days, and weeks and yet Bitcoin generally behaves the way it has always been. Perhaps we couldn't even provide conclusive answers to a more fundamental question, will Bitcoin's price significantly react to regional conflict the way the traditional market does?

[yhiaali3]

Unfortunately, Russia began its attacks on Ukraine, but fortunately the United States and NATO were satisfied with imposing economic sanctions on Russia. If NATO decided to intervene militarily, we would have seen a third world war. In any case, this news caused the price of gold and oil to rise and global stock exchanges to fall as well. Cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin fell to 33k$ but fortunately it is now recovering and back to almost 39k$ point.
In my opinion, the effect on the market is over, and the rebound may be at any moment, and the key to the rise of Bitcoin is 46,000$ if it manages to reach this point. But we need more time to monitor the results of the developments of the Russian military campaign against Ukraine.

[Sebas.tian]

Some positive news came out this morning, Putin announced that he has no interest for capturing the Ukraine probably they may free the Russian support states and let the remaining on their own and also US said no military aid for Ukraine so we may see an end soon and hope many lives will be saved. Along with this news the price of Bitcoin and gold started to shoot up a little bit.

Yes, it was a peaceful news this morning, to all Ukraine and Russian for the peace words that was coming out from the mouth of Putin. This show that other countries of the world has showed interest to allow peace to rain between Russian and Ukraine so that the war will not collapse their economy that is about to improve higher and also not to take people lives.
During the process of the good news,we came to discovered bitcoin price has improved to $38k which is seriously giving some investors a big hope that the price of bitcoin will soon increase to $75k before the end of this month. Many coins are showing some signs of improvement to allow traders to be more comfortable to achieve massive income from their trade.

[Argoo]

I live in Ukraine. According to the news, at 4:30 am today, Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine. The attack took place on the side of the Russian border, as well as on the side of the Belarusian border. Explosions are shown in different cities of Ukraine, as well as Kiev. They hit airports, ammunition depots and other critical infrastructure. The armed forces of Ukraine entered the battle. Let's see what happens next.
We have just heard that a Russian fighter jet has been shot down over Ukraine.

Thank you for busting the FUD that are being spread around the world.    Can you give us constant updates on the things happening there and how your government are dealing with this? Do you see any foreign troops entering your country... or are this just your own army fighting by themselves?

I hope the rest of the world will do anything in their power to prevent a full scale war, because there are no winners in a war. Also, please give us a bit of background on why Russia is so focused on invading the Ukraine?

May God be with you in these terrible times.   

During the first day of aggression, Russia lost more than 30 tanks, about 130 armored vehicles, 7 aircraft and 6 combat helicopters, about 800 invaders were killed. Losses of Ukrainians - 136 people killed. Near Kiev, the landing force of the vaunted Pskov Airborne Division in the amount of 200 people was completely destroyed, the threat to Kiev was eliminated. Putin's blitzkrieg failed.
The entire civilized world is now on the side of Ukraine. Even an international hacker group has declared cyberwar on Russia.

[mk4]

Yes, of course. There are no conclusions here. We're all simply speculating, but based on available facts, of course. As a matter of fact, there is also that possibility that all these price movements of Bitcoin and the rest of the crypto market don't have anything to do with this Russia-Ukraine conflict or war. War has been imminent for the past hours, days, and weeks and yet Bitcoin generally behaves the way it has always been. Perhaps we couldn't even provide conclusive answers to a more fundamental question, will Bitcoin's price significantly react to regional conflict the way the traditional market does?

I mean, it already did react the same way as traditional markets did(US stock market specifically, but not as bad as Ukrainian and Russian markets did — obviously); and I don't think $BTC and the risk-on US tech stocks moving in tandem would change any time soon.

[TravelMug]

What I don't agree with is that if gas from Russia is no longer accepted, then the Russians would win. Win what? Will they be eating that cheaper gas? Clearly no. So I don't think so.

I am not an expert and far from politics and this might sound controversial. But what resources and goods other countries have, that Russia dont have or feel the need? Except money. Russia got luck with their territory. From school program, I remember that Russian territory has all the resources from periodic table. They have resources to produce everything. If we start to dream about alternative future, then Russia can isolate themselves from other world and survive or live for a very long period.

P.S. I meant that they dont eat cheap gas, but will make it cheap for their people. If no one buys, they will be forced to sell it for a low price for themselves.

I'm also not an expert, but from what I read Russia is dependent on industries like semicon that's why it was the first to be sanction by the West.

But still they have the leverage, they supply like 10% of the world so that alone is a huge bargaining power on their side.

On the other hand, Ukraine is lamenting that they were left to find alone in this war when they supposedly allies who keeps making noise and maybe egging them to engage Russia seems to be quiet.

[Darker45]

Yes, of course. There are no conclusions here. We're all simply speculating, but based on available facts, of course. As a matter of fact, there is also that possibility that all these price movements of Bitcoin and the rest of the crypto market don't have anything to do with this Russia-Ukraine conflict or war. War has been imminent for the past hours, days, and weeks and yet Bitcoin generally behaves the way it has always been. Perhaps we couldn't even provide conclusive answers to a more fundamental question, will Bitcoin's price significantly react to regional conflict the way the traditional market does?

I mean, it already did react the same way as traditional markets did(US stock market specifically, but not as bad as Ukrainian and Russian markets did — obviously); and I don't think $BTC and the risk-on US tech stocks moving in tandem would change any time soon.

We may be referring to different sets of data. On the very day Putin ordered the attack on Ukraine, CNN Business headlines Global stocks plunge as Russia attacks Ukraine. Which in detail means, in terms of European stocks, "FTSE 100 fell 3.9% in London, France's CAC 40 dropped 3.8% and Germany's DAX 30 shed 4%." Furthermore, "Russian stocks crashed, with the country's main index dropping 45% before recovering some losses and closing 33% lower."^[1]

In terms of US stocks, "the Nasdaq Composite declined 0.2%, opening the day in bear-market territory. The Dow sank 1.9%, or 675 points. The S&P 500 fell 1.2%."^[Ibid.]

Meanwhile, "in Asia, Hong Kong's Hang Seng Index (HSI) dropped 3.2%, its biggest daily loss in five months. Japan's Nikkei 225 (N225) lost 1.8% and China's Shanghai Composite moved 1.7% lower."^[Ibid.]

Also, "the Russian ruble briefly crashed about 10% to a record low of 90 against the US dollar."^[Ibid.]

On the same day, Bitcoin, on the other hand, opened at $37,372 and closed at $38,363. For the past 24 hours, Bitcoin has registered a double-digit growth.^[2]

[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/23/investing/dow-futures-global-markets-russia-operation-intl-hnk/index.html
[2] https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bitcoin

[bakasabo]

During the first day of aggression, Russia lost more than 30 tanks, about 130 armored vehicles, 7 aircraft and 6 combat helicopters, about 800 invaders were killed. Losses of Ukrainians - 136 people killed.

It is hard to believe in these numbers, as according to mass media, Russian army is much more developed then Ukrainian. These numbers are either fake, or Ukrainian propaganda. Otherwise it looks like Ukraine army is using lasers and technologies from Star Wars, while Russia is attacking with sticks and stones. What about pictures of destroyed military locators that appeared in media yesterday?

We are in 21 century. With all modern technologies, dont you think armies wont do point strikes first, destroy those who is covered with bombs and only then send infantry and vehicles?

On the other hand, Ukraine is lamenting that they were left to find alone in this war when they supposedly allies who keeps making noise and maybe egging them to engage Russia seems to be quiet.

I dont know how to end situation. Politician talks does not help, they can come to an agreement. All the sanctions from both or every side only make situation worse. I dont understand who is winning from all this. Russia - no, Europe - no, Ukraine - no, Economy - no.