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February 24, 2022, 11:06:47 PM |
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As you can see, China is nothing but happy about this, as they are watching two potential enemies erode themselves and testing their strength.
Well its one of the art of war though "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" so yeah China will be enjoying all of this but depending on how Biden will response on this because Biden now hold the main button for a potential world war 3. If biden decided to strike hard then China as well North Korea (potentially) will have a reason on joining this war thus making the other member of NATO to join as well Ukraine will be taking devastating effect depending on how this goes but both party are wrong in this case. Both Biden and Putin are just sly old dogs that wants to go to war (and invade Ukraine) for their own personal reasons This is the thing that should not be happening, let us hope for the best. If ever the west decided to get on board and strikes, we should also be ready our selves. Make sure that your own country's leader is ready because anytime soon, another new Axis and Allied countries will be born and should consider where will your leader will join. I am living on Philippines and our President is in good terms with China and Russia, but in bad terms with the US, I don't know for sure where he will party himself up if ever WW3 will come but we are seeing an obvious one. Diplomacy should be the first to solve the issues right now and not fueling by other countries like USA.
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February 24, 2022, 11:43:58 PM |
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Chinese politicians already talked about how "Taiwan is not Ukraine". As in they are basically saying that Taiwan is already part of their nation, sure it has its own president and all but we are talking about being a de facto tied nation, sort of like hong kong as well, maybe similar or maybe different but overall Chinese. I am guessing that if Europe and the USA did absolutely nothing to help Ukraine, then they will certainly not do anything about Taiwan. I guarantee you %100 that if China decided to bomb and occupy and completely took over Taiwan tomorrow, they could and nobody would say a thing about it. We are living in a weird age that is for sure, I hope that these big nations do not see this act of cowardice from other big nations and start taking lands from each other like this is the 13th century, we need to stop wars, we have enough communication all around the world to stop these and save lives.
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February 24, 2022, 11:59:19 PM |
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China is surely playing safe as of the moment. I think they will join the conflict once US joined the party which could lead to total catastrophe. They will surely start at disputed territorial waters in South China sea and bully its way to have those unexplored oils there. They are watching the situation closely and once US sends troops, I think that would be the time that they will move as well.
Maybe since Russia and China is ally after all but this war should not happen since we saw it already in the past how bad it was in a city with full of people struggling to survive each day. Where do you think they would go if conflict continue in their country? I've seen enough bloods and damages in the past yet they can't settle this in a civil manner.
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February 25, 2022, 06:45:21 AM |
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I think I am more concerned with North Korea in this scenario... because the North Korean leader, Kim Jong Un (dubbed Rocket Man) are watching the Western response to this with a hawk eye. We know that Rocket Man has the same idea ...so the Western response to this invasion ..will determine what he does in the future. If the West use silent diplomacy to intervene in the Ukraine and Russia war.. Kim Jong Un will see that as an opportunity to launch his own offensive. (They know that the West are basically bankrupt and that they cannot afford to fight on two fronts and also risk that China might get involved in either of these conflicts)
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February 25, 2022, 10:50:52 AM |
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I think I am more concerned with North Korea in this scenario... because the North Korean leader, Kim Jong Un (dubbed Rocket Man) are watching the Western response to this with a hawk eye. We know that Rocket Man has the same idea ...so the Western response to this invasion ..will determine what he does in the future. If the West use silent diplomacy to intervene in the Ukraine and Russia war.. Kim Jong Un will see that as an opportunity to launch his own offensive. (They know that the West are basically bankrupt and that they cannot afford to fight on two fronts and also risk that China might get involved in either of these conflicts) isnt that guy a renewed person that made peace with south? if he suddenly become hostile to unite with south. its his way. but its in his mind to conquer south when NATO is busy.
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February 25, 2022, 10:55:24 AM |
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How is China playing this?
a) Observing carefully as how the West is playing this crisis, how far they are willing to go when China invades Taiwan Russia invades Ukraine. How powerful is the response, how far is the West willing to go.
China has already announced that Taiwan has always been part of China and therefore it would not be an invasion if the Chinese military were to invade Taiwan. One must not compare China and Russia. China is much more dependent on the world economy than Russia. Therefore, China will not take this as a blueprint, but will look for other ways.
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February 25, 2022, 10:58:22 AM |
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Chinese politicians already talked about how "Taiwan is not Ukraine". As in they are basically saying that Taiwan is already part of their nation, sure it has its own president and all but we are talking about being a de facto tied nation, sort of like hong kong as well, maybe similar or maybe different but overall Chinese. I am guessing that if Europe and the USA did absolutely nothing to help Ukraine, then they will certainly not do anything about Taiwan. I guarantee you %100 that if China decided to bomb and occupy and completely took over Taiwan tomorrow, they could and nobody would say a thing about it. We are living in a weird age that is for sure, I hope that these big nations do not see this act of cowardice from other big nations and start taking lands from each other like this is the 13th century, we need to stop wars, we have enough communication all around the world to stop these and save lives.
I am sure you can find some parallelisms between the arguments of Putin about the republics in Donbass being independent, thus he is just helping some of his friends and neighbours with Chinas rhetoric about Taiwan being part of China, despite the people of Taiwan obviously NOT wanting to be part of China, just as people in Ukraine do not want Putin "demilitarising" their country.
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February 25, 2022, 04:58:30 PM |
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I think China it does what it does best since 80s; copying, lowering costs and producing.
Since when is China not in a military conflict? China now produces trade wars, that is where it is good, it is not that it does not have a way to fight a traditional war, but it understands that waging trade wars benefits it more, it has become a world potential to trade wars.
China just are surely making Ukrainian and Russian toy tanks, and one or another figure of Putin, visit ebay or alibaba for details and ah! amazon too.
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February 25, 2022, 05:03:19 PM |
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How is China playing this?
a) Observing carefully as how the West is playing this crisis, how far they are willing to go when China invades Taiwan Russia invades Ukraine. How powerful is the response, how far is the West willing to go.
b) Keeping a distance from both sides, but not "the same distance" from both sides:
, Option a) and option b) are pretty much the same thing. China will observe and then decide if they can chew Taiwan or not.If they realize that NATO is a paper tiger, they'll go invade Taiwan without any second thoughts. So far NATO acts like a paper tiger so I feel like China is already making plans to invade Taiwan.
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February 26, 2022, 06:46:12 PM |
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If biden decided to strike hard then China as well North Korea (potentially) will have a reason on joining this war thus making the other member of NATO to join as well
The reason why Ukraine has become so close to NATO that it has caused Russia to go on a rampage cannot be separated from Joe Biden's behind-the-scenes intervention as US president and his son's energy business being there. China itself is not entirely happy, however the condition of bilateral relations between China and Russia will definitely be in this war directly, which is even more pleasing to the US because they are the ones who pit the two countries against each other even though they are still in the same family and are brothers. The Ukrainian president did not act wisely in bringing himself closer to NATO, regardless of economic and other matters. The point is never to take sides, because he is flanked by 2 blocks that are very heavy in history.
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February 26, 2022, 10:38:12 PM |
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China has a lot of reasons to go and invade Taiwan right now. The West is busy with Russia and they cannot afford to handle to fronts at the same time, and even if they could, it would be costly and I don't think they would want to empty their pockets on this one alone, especially if the benefits in the end isn't that great from them. Russia will have to fight the Ukrainians, which are showing extreme resilience and are being supplied with weapons and funded by NATO. Zelenskyy's also good at boosting the morale of the civilian fighters and his soldiers with the way he handles the crisis.
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February 26, 2022, 10:50:17 PM |
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China has a lot of reasons to go and invade Taiwan right now. The West is busy with Russia and they cannot afford to handle to fronts at the same time, and even if they could, it would be costly and I don't think they would want to empty their pockets on this one alone, especially if the benefits in the end isn't that great from them.
That would be unwise of them if they do it right now. It's not that different from adding more fuel to the fire. I agree with paxmao that they are an observer while trying to pacify the situation. Xi Jinping has been encouraging Putin to hold talks with the Ukraine delegates while condemning any sanctions against Russia.
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February 26, 2022, 11:19:51 PM |
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~ How is China playing this?
As you can see, China is nothing but happy about this, as they are watching two potential enemies erode themselves and testing their strength. Lots of lessons will be learnt on the handling of this crisis and I would not say that Europe and Democracies are playing a great role in terms of intimidation, yet at least is managing to stay reasonably united. China is supporting Russia in this encounter and they are the biggest importers of oil and natural resources from Russia and they have a good relationship, even today during United Nations Security Council China, India and the United Arab Emirates were absent from voting against Russia. I am not sure whether China is having any other motive but one thing is clear is that US will talk a big game plan if Russia is to invade and yet they will not do anything. To be frank i never expected this invasion and how this will end is to be seen.
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China will trade with Russia no matter what, China lacks oil and Russia has an excess of it so they are suited as trading partners from the start. Even with this currently talked about Swift ban, China can swap gold for oil (China is the worlds largest producer of gold now and accumulated reserves for over a decade, Russia also wants to retain its gold as an alternative to USD) though it might be more awkward in a physical way to do this then the electronic means normally done.
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Yea, not hard to understand China's brain. But hard to realize the role and when they will play on the field. So far China will never support those supported by the US. This is basic logic, which means China supports Russia. More importantly, China always looks from where they could take advantage and they just follow their own strategy. However, the war wasn't expected and seems Russians do not intend to leave Ukraine. The war will be more dangerous if the US interferes there. Let's hope to stop the war.
China had a different brain towards the world Statics. This war gonna a influence by the U.S and China.This two country had a influence in many world problem. Their was a hidden secret of this two country may be the reason for the problem too. China gonna a support any of this nation by financial. Though the Foreign Ministry official of China released their statement towards this Russia-Ukraine war, and seemed not happy about Russia's move, we don't know exactly what they are thinking about this whole scenario. Remember, China wants Taiwan under their control. So it is somewhat the same with Russia wants Ukraine under their control. And some are speculating that China will wage war over Taiwan if they don't get what they want. As they are observer right now, they are monitoring on how the West will react to this war. As of now, they are in standby-mode but high likely that their military is also prepared for what may possibly happen.
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February 27, 2022, 12:46:57 AM |
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I think China sees the currently situation as an experiment to test how further the west is wiling to go to defend an allied country and to stop the advancement of the eastern forces. China is playing more strategical and Russia more warlike through the physical strength. Nevertheless, of course both countries are together and support each other even though China isn't explicitly or formally endorsing the invasion of Ukraine.
If China concludes western forces are weak or give weak responses to the attacks, it's possible their morale will be raised and they may feel inspired to invade Taiwan as well.
But it's everything so unclear and uncertain right now... What at same time is a good thing, as the scenario also doesn't look favourable for those who have desires for invading sovereign nations around them.
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I think China sees the currently situation as an experiment to test how further the west is wiling to go to defend an allied country and to stop the advancement of the eastern forces. China is playing more strategical and Russia more warlike through the physical strength. Nevertheless, of course both countries are together and support each other even though China isn't explicitly or formally endorsing the invasion of Ukraine.
If China concludes western forces are weak or give weak responses to the attacks, it's possible their morale will be raised and they may feel inspired to invade Taiwan as well.
But it's everything so unclear and uncertain right now... What at same time is a good thing, as the scenario also doesn't look favourable for those who have desires for invading sovereign nations around them.
Currently Ukraine is not an official member of Nato, I don't think the US and the West will be deeply involved in war. This does not provide any benefit. If they join the war, the other side of the Chinese front will make strong moves towards Taiwan. That makes them unable to manage. Taiwan is an important strategic part of the US and NATO in Asia. They will not risk saving Ukraine so that Taiwan falls to China.
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February 27, 2022, 01:51:57 PM |
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As you can see, China is nothing but happy about this, as they are watching two potential enemies erode themselves and testing their strength. Lots of lessons will be learnt on the handling of this crisis and I would not say that Europe and Democracies are playing a great role in terms of intimidation, yet at least is managing to stay reasonably united.
China is observing the situation and predicting what west will do if they try to occupy Taiwan. But i do not think china would do that. Taiwan is far more superior than Ukraine over technology and Taiwan is far more important for USA than Ukraine. On the other hand china can not allow Russia to lose this war because this will give USA an unchallenged power over the world and they will get back their images they lost in afghan war.
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February 27, 2022, 02:56:45 PM |
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The reason why Ukraine has become so close to NATO that it has caused Russia to go on a rampage cannot be separated from Joe Biden's behind-the-scenes intervention as US president and his son's energy business being there. China itself is not entirely happy, however the condition of bilateral relations between China and Russia will definitely be in this war directly, which is even more pleasing to the US because they are the ones who pit the two countries against each other even though they are still in the same family and are brothers. The Ukrainian president did not act wisely in bringing himself closer to NATO, regardless of economic and other matters. The point is never to take sides, because he is flanked by 2 blocks that are very heavy in history.
I would guess that the president of Ukraine getting 70%+ vote by promising to join Nato and EU was WAY before Biden became president. If you really think that it was Biden that started all of this then you were brainwashed by Eurasian media as well. Zelensky promised to join Nato and EU before he became a president, that was literally the platform he ran on and people voted for him because they wanted to join EU as well, and that is how he became the president and this was during Trump, Biden wasn't even elected. Then Ukraine officially declared they want to join and only thing Biden could be guilty of would be saying they are fine with Ukraine joining and Russia should back off. Not like Ukraine had no intention at all and then suddenly Biden said they should, this isn't a situation like that. Russia is the ONLY guilty party here, nobody else, anyone else trying to find a guilty person would be siding with Russia from here on out in my view.
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February 27, 2022, 03:24:13 PM |
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I think China sees the currently situation as an experiment to test how further the west is wiling to go to defend an allied country and to stop the advancement of the eastern forces. China is playing more strategical and Russia more warlike through the physical strength. Nevertheless, of course both countries are together and support each other even though China isn't explicitly or formally endorsing the invasion of Ukraine.
If China concludes western forces are weak or give weak responses to the attacks, it's possible their morale will be raised and they may feel inspired to invade Taiwan as well.
But it's everything so unclear and uncertain right now... What at same time is a good thing, as the scenario also doesn't look favourable for those who have desires for invading sovereign nations around them.
Yeh, I think China would be wiser and closely monitor the situation and the outcome of the war between Russia and Ukraine before taking a purposeful action against Taiwan. Ideally, I think that Russia and China have a consensus on the political issue in terms of their "independence". So, I think the world needs to tackle Putin thoroughly with solidarity and alliance to unite additional sanctions. The end result will mark a new cold war era and the respectful world order needs to be taken seriously. The next most interesting and craziest thing about Putin is the statement “putting nuclear weapons on alert and ready” Lol. Will this create a reverse reaction to the new extreme” damn Will China continue to "silence" before Russia's claims? It is also very suspicious
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