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February 27, 2022, 06:12:04 PM
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Ofcourse they will say that .

1. They already talked with Russian President about everything, made a deal and kept things better for both parties

2. They want to attack Taiwan and other than that, the Russian president wants to attack Ukraine so their sick mentality finally found a place together

3. They know WW3 might start if the already deranged Putin blows up Nuclear bombs and they want to keep Russia as allies


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February 27, 2022, 06:49:23 PM
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Ofcourse they will say that .

1. They already talked with Russian President about everything, made a deal and kept things better for both parties

2. They want to attack Taiwan and other than that, the Russian president wants to attack Ukraine so their sick mentality finally found a place together

3. They know WW3 might start if the already deranged Putin blows up Nuclear bombs and they want to keep Russia as allies


It's because China knows what Russia want and choose not to interfere because they are most likely have the same goal or they will benefit with this war. And trading with Russia will give them more profit when the war started and all of this happening is because Russia don't want to give up Ukraine to the NATO(US) since they were most likely going to join NATO instead of getting back to Soviet Union. It's all in their history why Putin just acted like that. Plus if Russia going to lose Ukraine then NATO is just getting closer to their territory.

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February 27, 2022, 06:53:35 PM
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china is lika a big nice grandmother, if putin does everything right he gets armies from her.

the west will not be able to convince china and india that putin is Hitler.
but putin might convince that zelinski is Hitler, by doing nothing

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February 27, 2022, 11:35:31 PM
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Ofcourse they will say that .

1. They already talked with Russian President about everything, made a deal and kept things better for both parties

2. They want to attack Taiwan and other than that, the Russian president wants to attack Ukraine so their sick mentality finally found a place together

3. They know WW3 might start if the already deranged Putin blows up Nuclear bombs and they want to keep Russia as allies


China is just observing right now, but they want to wage war with Taiwan for so long already because they are not recognizing the freedom of Taiwan. They have the same mentality with Putin, the reason why they are not affected with Putin's decision of going to war with Ukraine. I have the feeling that China is just looking for small reasons and they will go to war with Taiwan. WW3 is imminent because of these officials that are egocentric individuals.
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February 28, 2022, 10:49:54 AM
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china is lika a big nice grandmother, if putin does everything right he gets armies from her.

the west will not be able to convince china and india that putin is Hitler.
but putin might convince that zelinski is Hitler, by doing nothing
Now the entire civilized world is finally uniting around European moral values ​​and is providing Ukraine with good military and financial support. Given the high patriotism of Ukrainians and the eight-year experience of the war with Russia, during the four days of the war, the Ukrainians destroyed about 5,300 invaders, 191 tanks, 29 combat aircraft, 29 attack helicopters, 816 armored vehicles, 74 cannons, 21 Grad multiple launch rocket systems, 291 vehicles.
The whole world saw that the great and invincible Russia could lose to a relatively small Ukraine, as the Ukrainians defend their land and their families, and the Russian soldiers for the most part do not know what they are doing on foreign territory.
Seeing how other states react to Russia's bandit attack on Ukraine, China did not dare to openly support Putin. In addition, international sanctions also had a significant impact on this position. Therefore, China is reducing trade relations with Russia and even refusing Russian oil, due to the uncertainty in mutual settlements. Currently, only two of China's largest banks are allowed to maintain financial relations, and contractual trade relations with Russia in each case will have to be approved at the highest political level of China.

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February 28, 2022, 01:39:36 PM
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Coz China currently have no problems with Russia, there's really no reason for it to stop trading. In fact, China might benefit from this arrangement. Sanctions would basically push Russia towards China, same way that North Korea ended up. NoKor basically dump their raw goods for cheap on China coz they can't sell it to anyone else.

And what is the EU and NATO going to do to China anyway? It's not like they'd sanction it too just for continuing what it has always done.
China and Russia are allies who both want to strangle the US little by little. See what sectors Russia wants to re-establish? The Soviet Union seemed about to be awakened from its long slumber. Not necessarily Russia's sovereignty is supported by China because it does have the same goal. Where Russia invades Ukraine and China will invade Taiwan in the very near future. Depending on how Russia's position is now unstoppable, even NATO doesn't really want to go any further in Russia and Ukraine.

The trade war has been running since the era of world war 2 ended and that's when China built big aggression to conquer the US. What do we see? The US is too follow-up for now under Biden.

I think it was disastrous but that the US got yeeted out of Afghanistan was a blessing for them. They wouldn't be able to fight to preserve both Europe and Taiwan. I think China would wait until Russia breaks out of Ukraine into say, Poland, before it will attack Taiwan. That way the US would be stretched thin. It does heavylifting in NATO and in Asia its only partner that would fight to help defend Taiwan would be Japan.
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February 28, 2022, 02:10:00 PM
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I think it was disastrous but that the US got yeeted out of Afghanistan was a blessing for them. They wouldn't be able to fight to preserve both Europe and Taiwan. I think China would wait until Russia breaks out of Ukraine into say, Poland, before it will attack Taiwan. That way the US would be stretched thin. It does heavylifting in NATO and in Asia its only partner that would fight to help defend Taiwan would be Japan.

Talking about the US and Afghanistan, the answer is that the US has suffered heavy losses and has produced nothing. What remains are only innocent victims, launching accusations from Western Intelligence who for years turned out to be gravely mistaken by disappointing information. That's the reason the US withdrew and had no intention of going to war against Afghanistan.
As we know at this time, NATO is still carrying out normal actions, namely guarding the borders of NATO countries. It means waiting for Russia to fish or indeed waiting to be provoked. Despite all that, I keep my ears open and hope that Ukraine will return soon under better conditions. There is still a peaceful path if you don't want any more victims to die in vain for following the selfishness of the two presidents. Regarding China, they will also invade Taiwan, the information is like that and it will definitely not be far from what Russia is doing.

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February 28, 2022, 02:42:36 PM
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"Normally" here doesn't mean that they will support them. It means that if Russia is out of swift and out of everything else and can't trade with anyone in the west, then China expected to jump in and close the difference. However, they are not supporting them right now hence the "normal" trade, meaning they will just keep on doing business as usual instead of putting too much money and resources into Russia.

It was also a big warning sign for China as well, military-wise they could take Taiwan and even some other places, but that would result with west destroying their economy and economy is all China got right now and would be terrible for them, can't handle another famine.
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February 28, 2022, 08:11:46 PM
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I would guess that they would probably get away with being friends with Russia at this point. Why? Because nobody thinks China is the good guy neither, everyone is trying to move their manufacturing somewhere else nowadays, Apple already started some factories in other nations as well. India is right there, and they are the nicest people I met, I could easily say that if you moved every single financial power China has, and moved that to India, the whole world would be a lot better.

It could be some other nation as well, the main point is always "not some nation as rich as Europe so that they could pay less for workers" which is unfair and sad but the reality of life. China already gets a ton of hate, they literally got away with genocide for Christ sake and people are still doing business with them in the name of cheap labor, so I would guess that China could side with Russia and nothing would happen.

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February 28, 2022, 08:30:40 PM
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Coz China currently have no problems with Russia, there's really no reason for it to stop trading. In fact, China might benefit from this arrangement. Sanctions would basically push Russia towards China, same way that North Korea ended up. NoKor basically dump their raw goods for cheap on China coz they can't sell it to anyone else.

And what is the EU and NATO going to do to China anyway? It's not like they'd sanction it too just for continuing what it has always done.
hostility from the US must be very well-liked by China. Russia is one of the countries that have the largest gas and oil reserves in the world, and they also have a lot of gold as reserves. relations between communist countries (China-Russia-NorthKorea) have been very good so far. With great support from China, I believe the EU can do nothing, let alone impose sanctions on China.

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China makes more money by exporting goods all around the world so they never going to announce sanctions to any countries because it is going to affect their economic growth. And China is doing this for very long time with the neighbouring countries so they can't really speak out this is immoral.

Yes, China will never announce sanction to any countries of the world because they want more countries to know more about their quality products. China will use this opportunity to make more money from Russian because some of the products Russian are using are from China, that is the reason why China will not allow anything to happen to their own economy. China has made a lot of income from Russian that will make them not to stop supplying goods to Russian at this point of crisis between Russian and Ukraine.  Russian will continue to enjoy from China in the areas of making goods available for Russian in this war between Russian and Ukraine that is going on their country.

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Coz China currently have no problems with Russia, there's really no reason for it to stop trading. In fact, China might benefit from this arrangement. Sanctions would basically push Russia towards China, same way that North Korea ended up. NoKor basically dump their raw goods for cheap on China coz they can't sell it to anyone else.

And what is the EU and NATO going to do to China anyway? It's not like they'd sanction it too just for continuing what it has always done.
hostility from the US must be very well-liked by China. Russia is one of the countries that have the largest gas and oil reserves in the world, and they also have a lot of gold as reserves. relations between communist countries (China-Russia-NorthKorea) have been very good so far. With great support from China, I believe the EU can do nothing, let alone impose sanctions on China.
Of course it is very complicated with the current conditions especially for the EU and even though so many countries are currently involved and holding meetings to resolve all of this,
but of course Russia is not standing still,
it's better if we follow the latest news and keep up with its developments

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China makes more money by exporting goods all around the world so they never going to announce sanctions to any countries because it is going to affect their economic growth. And China is doing this for very long time with the neighbouring countries so they can't really speak out this is immoral.

Yes, China will never announce sanction to any countries of the world because they want more countries to know more about their quality products. China will use this opportunity to make more money from Russian because some of the products Russian are using are from China, that is the reason why China will not allow anything to happen to their own economy. China has made a lot of income from Russian that will make them not to stop supplying goods to Russian at this point of crisis between Russian and Ukraine.  Russian will continue to enjoy from China in the areas of making goods available for Russian in this war between Russian and Ukraine that is going on their country.
In almost every country there are products that come from China. Right now, the economy is the most important thing, especially with China, where the last time the head of state asked Putin to settle things well. Of course if you involve yourself there will be a lot of losses to be borne, supplying needs is a great way to keep bringing in money

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Not surprisingly, they are classic allies and China is taking advantage of this to strengthen a front of opposition to the USA and NATO. Some people say that China is going to take the opportunity to invade Taiwan, but I don't know what to believe anymore.

I hope that the Chinese will put the brakes on Putin so that he doesn't go crazy and start throwing nukes and they can also help Russia to have an honorable way out of all this. It would not be a good idea to leave Putin in a humiliating situation and for him to believe that he has nothing left to lose anymore.

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March 01, 2022, 11:04:45 AM
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china is lika a big nice grandmother, if putin does everything right he gets armies from her.

the west will not be able to convince china and india that putin is Hitler.
but putin might convince that zelinski is Hitler, by doing nothing

The US is China's foe as well. So, Russia and China might not be allies (Which I highly doubt that they are 100%) but they share a common enemy.
So, that makes them stand on the same page.

By continuing their (China) trades from Russia, this is clearly an act of support of the Russian invasion to Ukraine, while everybody else is supporting Ukraine for their act of bravery.

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March 02, 2022, 04:58:06 AM
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china is lika a big nice grandmother, if putin does everything right he gets armies from her.

the west will not be able to convince china and india that putin is Hitler.
but putin might convince that zelinski is Hitler, by doing nothing

The US is China's foe as well. So, Russia and China might not be allies (Which I highly doubt that they are 100%) but they share a common enemy.
So, that makes them stand on the same page.

By continuing their (China) trades from Russia, this is clearly an act of support of the Russian invasion to Ukraine, while everybody else is supporting Ukraine for their act of bravery.
Not "really". Russia doesn't provide much to USA, maybe they are bribing certain politicians and NRA and so forth, but not the general public, and the oligarchs of USA, doesn't compete well against the Russian ones neither. So there is really no benefit of Russia for the wealthy people in the USA, not a lot at least. China is a different topic, they are willing talk badly about China in politics, but when it comes to companies and wealthy people, they love working with china.

China is cheap and they are amazing at manufacturing, so even when they commit a genocide on their own land and kill all the Islamic, as long as they could get the new iphone manufactured there for fraction of what it would cost in USA, they would be fine with it. So the "we are enemies with china" is all for a show if you ask me.

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March 02, 2022, 05:50:11 AM
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Since the conflict broke out, I have found that China has barely articulated its position. China does not want to confront its ally Russia directly, nor does it want to be seen as supporting an invasion of Ukraine. China is under increasing pressure from the United States and Europe as the West wants it to make its position clear and speak out against Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Beijing's refusal to help defuse the conflict is likely to increase Western hostility towards China in the medium term. This could increase the strategic competition between China and the United States, make the US-European link closer, and counter China.
Being very pragmatic, China does not want to be drawn into a conflict that is likely to destabilize its interests in the region, worsen relations with Europe and the United States, and disrupt its economy.

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March 02, 2022, 12:11:48 PM
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I'm not surprised at all to see china act like this because this reaction from china is completely normal and according to what we know and what we already saw about them, China cares about international trades mich more than anything else actually what how we are one of the strongest economic powers in the world, in the other while all other countries are trying to blame Russia for their actions and blaming them for this war, China and cheese news won't use words like 'military attack' because they are not really unhappy about this war since that's not against their desires.

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I think it was disastrous but that the US got yeeted out of Afghanistan was a blessing for them. They wouldn't be able to fight to preserve both Europe and Taiwan. I think China would wait until Russia breaks out of Ukraine into say, Poland, before it will attack Taiwan. That way the US would be stretched thin. It does heavylifting in NATO and in Asia its only partner that would fight to help defend Taiwan would be Japan.

Talking about the US and Afghanistan, the answer is that the US has suffered heavy losses and has produced nothing. What remains are only innocent victims, launching accusations from Western Intelligence who for years turned out to be gravely mistaken by disappointing information. That's the reason the US withdrew and had no intention of going to war against Afghanistan.
As we know at this time, NATO is still carrying out normal actions, namely guarding the borders of NATO countries. It means waiting for Russia to fish or indeed waiting to be provoked. Despite all that, I keep my ears open and hope that Ukraine will return soon under better conditions. There is still a peaceful path if you don't want any more victims to die in vain for following the selfishness of the two presidents. Regarding China, they will also invade Taiwan, the information is like that and it will definitely not be far from what Russia is doing.

Well that's pretty much what they can only do anyway. Haven't checked the news again but I suppose NATO is still playing safe and just preparing in case Putin gets greedy and launch attacks with its puppet Belarus.

And yes China will invade Taiwan, it's not a matter of if but of when. People just keep mentioning it since China can take the opportunity if NATO get its hands tied up in Ukraine and it breaks out into a larger conflict.
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March 02, 2022, 05:31:37 PM
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Well that's pretty much what they can only do anyway. Haven't checked the news again but I suppose NATO is still playing safe and just preparing in case Putin gets greedy and launch attacks with its puppet Belarus.

And yes China will invade Taiwan, it's not a matter of if but of when. People just keep mentioning it since China can take the opportunity if NATO get its hands tied up in Ukraine and it breaks out into a larger conflict.

But now NATO is secretly not playing games, moreover, the US will always take advantage of other countries' wars and enter like a hero. What if the war was designed by the US to draw Ukraine into NATO and make the country a military base on the border between NATO and Russia. Hence the mainstream media will continue to corner Russia in this regard. In fact, if viewed from its history, the US has a big sin for the Middle Eastern country.

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