[FOFF] Jambler Signature Campaign

[hugeblack]

They told theymos (aka, the authority), as if it was secret all this time, lol. You can read here and here.

I did not contact theymos. Did you know about these claims before?

[1714477443]

1714477443

[1714477443]

1714477443

[1714477443]

1714477443

[BlackHatCoiner]

I did not contact theymos. Did you know about these claims before?

I saw Royce contacted theymos, and I thought maybe you did too. Which claims specifically? I didn't keep up with the entire discussion made in the Jambler thread, until recently.

It's been months perhaps year, theymos and I talked to each others which is not public.

You know what doesn't stick to this story? That theymos had no idea how Jambler works; not even seen a single diagram. The way I see it, is that some of you bombarded him with PMs, complaining that it's a mixer and it should be banned.

I don't like questioning the admin's judgment or interest, but a single visit in Jambler would make him draw his recently drawn opinion. He either didn't visit it in December / January, or he did, but thought it didn't quite meet the criteria.

[NeuroticFish]

I don't like questioning the admin's judgment or interest, but a single visit in Jambler would make him draw his recently drawn opinion. He either didn't visit it in December / January, or he did, but thought it didn't quite meet the criteria.

My impression is that he knows that Jambler is not a mixer per se, but, if some can interpret the things and consider it a mixer (of course, some members of the forum do this only because it benefits them, but wouldn't some from outside the forum think the same for the same reasons?), those* who have convinced theymos ban mixers in the first place may think the same. And theymos already "plays on the safe side" related to mixers...

However, it doesn't matter much since, as very well said...

You can't beat the admin.

* This may not accurate, it may be that he just thought in advance to avoid "those" start questioning on the forum, for example. But it doesn't matter that much whether this is accurate or not, the logic stays the same.

[hugeblack]

I thought maybe you did too. Which claims specifically? I didn't keep up with the entire discussion made in the Jambler thread, until recently.

No, I did not do that. On the contrary, I was against banning mixing services from day one. You can read my posts on that topic^[1]

The allegations are that you knew that Jamambler.io was doing the mixing and not the mixing platform?
Did any of the campaign members have these doubts?

You know what doesn't stick to this story? That theymos had no idea how Jambler works; not even seen a single diagram. The way I see it, is that some of you bombarded him with PMs, complaining that it's a mixer and it should be banned.

I don't think BitcoinGirl.Club contacted admin if he wanted to ban Jambler he would use PM without posting anything publicly^[2].
I think we all trusted @icopress so I personally didn't visit the site F.A.Q until I saw @BitcoinGirl.Club's claims which are true.


[1] Mixers to be banned

[2]

In the bold part, I am with you. the ban for mixers [and funny enough that mixers are not completely banned, Jambler is all around the forum.] caused lack of information on Bitcontalk. If the mixer operations were normal like it used to be then we would know about it the moment it was happening. Many topics would be created even on their ann thread there would be a lot of discussion to aware everyone.

Altcoinstalks is still not mature as a forum and not many people even know about that forum. In search engine the forum posts are not ranked as they get rank on bitcointalk.

[...]

Discussing mixers from any angle is not prohibited.

You can even recommend your preferred mixer to others if you want, but you cannot provide a direct link (that leads to the mixer).

Btw, Jamber is not a mixer.

[Lucius]

I'll just say that nothing surprises me when it comes to the obvious malice and envy that some forum members have shown publicly (and probably privately) for years when it comes to mixers. I well remember how they "protested" because the participants in the CM campaign had excessive pay rates, up to how they "celebrated" when it was banned - and I have no doubt that some forum members had their share in this with the reports they sent to everyone they could.

And no, I'm not writing any of this for money (I didn't spend a single satoshi from this campaign), but it's unfortunate that some members of the forum are fighting so fiercely against privacy, and it's been proven that mixers were mostly used for this very purpose, and only a small part related to transactions that are disputed.

It's sad to see that the people who should understand such things best are actually working in favor of a system that has been fighting against Bitcoin since its inception.

[BlackHatCoiner]

The allegations are that you knew that Jamambler.io was doing the mixing and not the mixing platform?

I did know Jambler did the mixing in the background, if that's what you're asking. However, end-clients use other sites to mix, such as Mixtum, not Jambler per se, and partners don't use Jambler to mix in the first place. So, it doesn't fulfill all the criteria to treat it as a mixer.

I don't think BitcoinGirl.Club contacted admin

BitcoinGirl literally said:

It's been months perhaps year, theymos and I talked to each others which is not public.

[DooMAD]

I had a feeling that Jambler would be "lumped in" with traditional mixers sooner or later.  Theymos said from the beginning that it was a borderline case.  Honestly didn't expect the campaign to be able to run for long, so this doesn't really come as a shock.  Even if you outsource the actual mixing function to third parties, the end result is largely the same. 

It was nice to be able to advocate for privacy for just a little longer, though. 

[Sandra_hakeem]

It's terrible how the whole thing ended just too soon.. enhh, but what's even more disturbing and ambiguous would be how relatively the Royce and icopress' vendetta made way coincidentally into this... Or it didn't?

those* who have convinced theymos ban mixers in the first place may think the same. And theymos already "plays on the safe side" related to mixers...

you think he didn't get some sort of low-key sanctions from the government or something? Cus a mixer is more or less one of the ways to ensure a user's privacy... how's that supposed to be disturbing? except the fact that the former would just keep making endeavours to breaking the system's pseudonymity/decentralization.
^{[aren't there other ways of fighting against money laundering cases]?}

[NeuroticFish]

you think he didn't get some sort of low-key sanctions from the government or something?

I don't know. But I know for sure that his position is not an easy one and I would not like to be in his shoes.
I didn't want my previous post sound harsh... I only tried to tell a scenario I consider quite likely.

what's even more disturbing and ambiguous would be how relatively the Royce and icopress' vendetta made way coincidentally into this... Or it didn't?

I think it did.

[cryptofrka]

You were knowingly and intentionally disrespecting the decision theymos made for the forum.

theymos is not a holy cow, and probably doesn't want to be portrayed as one as well.
Personally, I would hide such info from him, supporting the right to privacy and p2p transactions.
He is forced to do some things which he probably doesn't want to do himself and that's fine.

Those that want to make themselves bigger by putting their heads in the big bosses butthole are the ones that are the real problem.
What has to happen in a mind of an individual that makes him do stuff that's counterproductive to the society in general just so they can get some 'me' time is beyond me.

I suggest all of you rattlesnakes to sit in front of the mirror, jerk yourselves off and let the rest of us live in peace.

[stompix]

I suggest all of you rattlesnakes to sit in front of the mirror, jerk yourselves off and let the rest of us live in peace.

They can't because they need someone clapping while they're doing it, and if they don't find someone they need to brag about it, if it's still not helping their ego they need to make somebody else suffer just to finally get to the tipping point. If there is a single person who thinks this is really about jambler and not some personal vendetta then I got like 1001 bridges over the  Great River of Narnia to sell to that guy!

The result of this? Make the few left that still don't see this as a 6 posts per day job quota feel too annoyed by all this shit to care about even one tiny bit and either flee or say bye bye to forums together and leave the forum only with the previously mentioned "posters", guess what will happen when the whole traffic will be copy pasting bot? Yobit, that's what! And now, victorious in vanquishing the competition you realize your prize is lying down next to him! Congratulations!

[pooya87]

This is another chapter in BitcoinTalk history that is closing.

In honor of that let me just post this topic here to remind us how many signature campaigns have come and gone over the years. There used to be some crazy ones like those offering 0.1BTC which is now worth $6500-$7000 , those with no post cap like Yobit (those were dark days!), the token/bounty floods and so on...

The era of mixers and mixer lookalikes seems to be forced-ending too (and I don't mean only their campaigns, yeah the Gov. is closing in)... That's just life... we gotta move on

[Ale88]

If Jambler leaving the forum cause a major affect for the Pizza Day rewards then I am willing to fund $500. Where is the thread and who is responsible for holding the fund? Someone give me the topic link.

This is the thread that has been used for the pizza contest during the last years: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247383.msg54403124#msg54403124

Please write there you're funding the contest with $500, thanks.

[icopress]

Friends, each of you received a PM / Payments for 49 week are on their way. ^{[Exchange rate: 64,000]}

Despite the fact that the campaign was suspended at this point, I was able to distribute all participants to other campaigns.

As always, it's a pleasure working with you.

[icopress]

It seems I have a bonus code for $50 for the user who guesses the abbreviation in the name of the thread. 

[BlackHatCoiner]

Find me another manager who takes care of his participants like that and always acts professionally, against all odds.

It seems I have a bonus code for $50 for the user who guesses the abbreviation in the name of the thread.  

Fuck OFF!

Don't know if it's that really. Don't care. Fuck off.

[icopress]

Find me another manager who takes care of his participants and acts professionally, against all odds.

It seems I have a bonus code for $50 for the user who guesses the abbreviation in the name of the thread.  

Fuck OFF!

Don't know if it's that really. Don't care. Fuck off.

Hint: there are 4 words (one of the words "only").

[BlackHatCoiner]

"Fight Only For Freedom".

I can put the word "fed" there, but I'd have to swear again.

[icopress]

"Fight Only For Freedom".

So far you have guessed 2 out of 4 

[God bless u]

Full only for Freshmen

Free only for Freshmen