[banned mixer] yomix Scam Attention, everyone, stay away immediately!!

[yhiaali3]

It happens.
Until just a few months ago, Yomix was very present here and considered a stable service. I have used it myself a couple of times.

Yes that's right, Yomix were present on the forum and they had a good reputation, I don't know if that changed and they turned into a scam or the OP has something wrong.

This is another problem. I mean that mixers in particular depend on trust in the first place, and if they suddenly decide to turn into scams, nothing can be done. Although I doubt that good services that have gained the trust of users can lose this trust for any amount of money, because trust is The basis of their work.

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[BitcoinGirl.Club]

The thread containing the mentioned post has been viewed 1540 times since its opening. icopress's post was seen much fewer times. So the news went almost unnoticed by a large number of members.
The information was transferred to the altcoinstalks forum in a thread that has been viewed 3300 times so far. Also, a very small number of different people saw such info.
Even with research, it is quite possible that he would not have come across this discussion.

I see this problem of lack of information partly in theymos' decision to ban mixers and open discussions about them. Without the mixer ban on Bitcointalk, I'm sure everyone would have been warned much earlier in a much more transparent way.

In the bold part, I am with you. the ban for mixers [and funny enough that mixers are not completely banned, Jambler is all around the forum.] caused lack of information on Bitcontalk. If the mixer operations were normal like it used to be then we would know about it the moment it was happening. Many topics would be created even on their ann thread there would be a lot of discussion to aware everyone.

Altcoinstalks is still not mature as a forum and not many people even know about that forum. In search engine the forum posts are not ranked as they get rank on bitcointalk.

[icopress]

[...]

Discussing mixers from any angle is not prohibited.

You can even recommend your preferred mixer to others if you want, but you cannot provide a direct link (that leads to the mixer).

Btw, Jamber is not a mixer.

[348Judah]

Maybe you can go further on other platforms that promote mixers and place your accusation there, but since mixers are banned from here, posting anything related to it should be stopped, by now if we have any forum member using them, then they should know that doing such is at their own risk and filing  a scam accusation on them here is not what i think is a good idea since the forum has already placed a ban on them.

[NotATether]

Maybe you can go further on other platforms that promote mixers and place your accusation there, but since mixers are banned from here, posting anything related to it should be stopped, by now if we have any forum member using them, then they should know that doing such is at their own risk and filing  a scam accusation on them here is not what i think is a good idea since the forum has already placed a ban on them.

Why don't you read the post directly above yours?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Btw, Jamber is not a mixer.

[Q.] Does Jambler platform do the mixing or their partners?

One can argue, Jambler is a software provider. They are not. They have a commission based marketing system. Those partners as they call [Mixtum, Mixer Money, Bitmixer Online and so on] are doing the marketing for Jambler. The correct term for these partners were supposed to be Marketing Partners not just Partners. These marketing partners are bringing the clients for Jambler and to compensate, Jambler is giving a small percentage of commission for each mixing to their marketing partners.

I was checking some partners sites. All partners advertise the same PGP fingerprint which is B8A5 CFCA F63F F2D8 384A 6B12 D3B2 8095 6F0E 7CAF. It is Jambler's fingerprint.



Although Mixer Money advertise a different PGP but in the LOG everyone has same PGP.


The LOG template is identical. The variables are replaced by the partners information. Information like their Bitcoin address and individual partners name, mixing valid hours, mixing time.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Mixer name EN has generated the address:  Bitcoin address
Mixing mode: Complete anonymity.
Cleansed coins will be sent to the forwarding address:
34xp4vRoCGJym3xR7yCVPFHoCNxv4Twseo

Maximum mixing time is 6  hours.
This offer is valid for mixing valid hour  hours from hour time   GMT
Maximum service fee is: 5% + 0.0007 BTC.
PGP fingerprint: 63DFE7F602E8C7D50B1D2340FDAEC8327BBC8E99.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)

Interestingly in the LOG these partners are not using the PGP they advertise.

Following LOGs are from Mixtum, Mixer Money and Bitmixer Online respectively.

Code:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

MixTum has generated the address:  3NgKgXQdfVeLWFN7DBVesq8BBt2BuKqWS2
Mixing mode: Complete anonymity.
Cleansed coins will be sent to the forwarding address:
34xp4vRoCGJym3xR7yCVPFHoCNxv4Twseo

Maximum mixing time is 6  hours.
This offer is valid for 168  hours from 2024-04-10 03:03:53  GMT
Maximum service fee is: 5% + 0.0007 BTC. 
PGP fingerprint: 63DFE7F602E8C7D50B1D2340FDAEC8327BBC8E99.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJmFddpAAoJENOygJVvDnyveP8H/2P0GRFXRMXJX9H5oBng7lfn
cKf43UC6d50Fb13/QuQ23tpkYSXlhKJtkO0qnE2yVAoo45hjYx6JM4v328RtV/9t
d354izdGx5A4d5CjWYCfeeh51PHHzsZpA4p6uNNGWUIG8cUmRKFdYpfi5jMAKysZ
lB4lH7ZhbS3bibqwzLhspWEwjx0hfDgWe6ukvBBZTwouW8EhdjFV5ggwDUd98tg3
hVfpxfmV9v9QKyb9/JgnU+hd7uESTmFuurANUw0Mwc/ahKWRGBbBY+0wwevO9hOP
wcskiHlWYeYA6Kc/lRCkWi3aFno+1PbBXDGLk1iGk+HfRGdFdXOigYjLV9nfsXQ=
=XgET
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Code:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

[banned mixer] EN has generated the address:  3QTYmZh77XKerUgiaU83p95NAWwdD1uw3R
Mixing mode: Complete anonymity.
Cleansed coins will be sent to the forwarding address:
34xp4vRoCGJym3xR7yCVPFHoCNxv4Twseo

Maximum mixing time is 6  hours.
This offer is valid for 168  hours from 2024-04-10 03:03:19  GMT
Maximum service fee is: 5% + 0.0007 BTC. 
PGP fingerprint: 63DFE7F602E8C7D50B1D2340FDAEC8327BBC8E99.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJmFddIAAoJENOygJVvDnyvdzQH/AurBkR5PJfiJ+DWiB++POFO
UEcK0q0kdBNXhFOGNmeTgKxi8kQtpiMARsKGxcAj2TSLVYQ4fhVtBLpWLK2+8g2s
P0dtvTU2kP3o0R6sRJ1iwk8GrkElNkQUsSW5CaF9n7U34daE1sHaGEDETbbBCdCK
+IayJnkoymZWtzth3TQKU9kDMd+DEVLMBFA5n466NGJtHQqgunMhJ+3cJ5yTrgh0
eWnBO4KAANMtiSTs7h8LaoGF22+eQljYY0jfkMmV999Y5FsKfBhlx+XSVwvEWLKB
5SCqPvEYdbJ/714Tdrqz6VeTydCj9xTVTyOWdvCmO00eWgdwPmNTrQ3b9xfUDcM=
=aQxs
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Code:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

bitmixer.online has generated the address:  3CKAC8Ra8uK6Z4EnDuP6BeYtyYQzHbMhKj
Mixing mode: Complete anonymity.
Cleansed coins will be sent to the forwarding address:
34xp4vRoCGJym3xR7yCVPFHoCNxv4Twseo

Maximum mixing time is 6  hours.
This offer is valid for 168  hours from 2024-04-10 03:02:38  GMT
Maximum service fee is: 5% + 0.0007 BTC. 
PGP fingerprint: 63DFE7F602E8C7D50B1D2340FDAEC8327BBC8E99.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJmFdceAAoJENOygJVvDnyv6OMH/11/8kqTANStd+JgqQbVY2i1
CK8875dYALjZZTB5ty7ZyX6gLmiPBFAwY22GYanfkqKE1ZG5+fdkdu0Sb4nJvdoF
ZYSXeCx8+1bLddbebnb8ZCYftRX8be3AxnxpU6yNBdbX6yRyvPz1zzryXmR2hbA2
XDbnp9DPgAt0aB7lCx6GVuuaQzymiiKhzj5exTGCk8YUcljluiNTUHwoav7m3NYk
mq70ereZhcax4kSK9vwOSP/ADbk9I6IsKPvzRhl6GDHSSG+GkEFpH3BIITFARoEO
fhFdh+0WneuZ2Gf7KkGMZc6Ku+/v5tkRMjlySYeJSx21+yPrEEa6xd77dIl2KbM=
=39Gs
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jambler is not a software provider but a Bitcoin mixing platform, a mixer and we can not deny the fact that the mixers are completely banned from the forum.

[hugeblack]

Jambler is not a software provider but a Bitcoin mixing platform, a mixer and we can not deny the fact that the mixers are completely banned from the forum.

Interested, it's a little off-topic but worth discussing (maybe in another topic or ANN topic.)
I thought they were providing the back-end, mixing algorithm, leaving the liquidity and updating algorithm to the Partners but is the real mixing done by Jambler and all these “MIXERs Partners” are only front-ends?

[icopress]

- Can you mix coins on the Jambler website? No.
- Can you change the burger recipe if you buy a McDonald's license? No.
- Did Jambrel exist before the censorship of mixers in the form it exists now? Yes

These are all the questions that fully reveal the essence. Why did I mention McDonald's?

It's simple... as a partner you can make a profit but you cannot change anything in the software. This is why their software provides telegram bots, liquidity and generates letters of guarantee, and PGP verification allows you to verify the quality mark, that the system of letters of guarantee is working properly, that the software is in order. As a partner, you have the right not to mention Jambler... that’s your right (for example, Webmixer), but the rest preferred a different path.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I thought they were providing the back-end, mixing algorithm, leaving the liquidity and updating algorithm to the Partners but is the real mixing done by Jambler and all these “MIXERs Partners” are only front-ends?

Yes, the real mixing is done by Jambler and all these partners [I'll call them Marketing partners with landing pages] are only front ends.

The marketing partners do not have their own database, the partners landing page do not even perform any mixing algorithm, most importantly the partners do not own or even source [from other platform like exchange, stocks, dex] any Bitcoin for or by themselves. The partner's side only call an API [Application Programming Interface] to communicate with Jambler platform when end users want to mix coins using the landing pages. The real mixer is Jambler, not the partners [owner of the landing pages].

Code:

<?php
///////////////////////////////////////////////////

$YOUR_JAMBLER_API_KEY = '__YOUR_JAMBLER_API_KEY__';

$titles = array(
	'index' => '{mixer_name} — bitcoin mixer 2.0',
	'mix' => 'Second page — {mixer_name}',
	'result' => 'First page — {mixer_name}'
);

$descriptions = array(
	'index' => 'Main page description',
	'mix' => 'Second page description',
	'result' => 'First page description'
);

$tor_address = '';

///////////////////////////////////////////////////

$apiUrl = 'https://api.[banned mixer]';
$clearCDN = '';
$darkCDN = '';
$coin_ids = array(
	'btc'
);

We are seeing the first few lines of the PHP script of the partners index page. It's [consider a referral program] what Jambler provides when you register with them to become their partner. Someone who have coding knowledge will easily understand what is going on when calling the first three PHP variables $YOUR_JAMBLER_API_KEY, $titles and $descriptions.

- Can you mix coins on the Jambler website? No.

Yes, I can. Fact is I can mix coins using Jambler with cheaper fees than the fees I will pay their existing partners. Do you want me to demonstrate how? LOL

Brother, I am afraid to tell that you do not have IT education and unfortunately you were briefed wrong. But on the other hand, I wonder why did you chosen a complicated path to ask me some unnecessary questions, which are not even relevant [McDonald, Jambler's existence] where you could simply answer the only question I asked about who does the mixing [I can only think that, with the current situation of the mixer ban, you are to try everything in your power to deny Jambler as a mixer]. I would still like to hear the answer of the question I asked you.

That being said, McDonald's is a franchise. Anywhere in the world you will see they have same McDonald's logo, same name for the outlet, same branding materials. The taste of the food can be different depending on the continent and the local culture.

[icopress]

Lol. My education? So, by your logic, if you are currently promoting Mixero on altcointalk, I should point out to you that you do not have a high-paying job since you are participating in a signature campaign?

And NO. You cannot mix your coins using the Jambler site. The fact is that Jambler is a tool that you, as a partner, can use. You can deploy the API, manually configure the commission and produce a mix that will go through the affiliate node. In any case, if you want to talk about Jambler, you should write here.

[shasan]

Well Well well ---> YoMix, a fake bitcoin mixer (potential honeypot scam)
The OP of that particular post was perhaps speculating back them, but it's starting to look like he was right about something's about Yomix

There is also a Redditor who was crying foul play about a month ago ([banned mixer] is a pure scam! Beware, but then 17 days back he claimed they had paid him back his money.

Based on the op's accusation it will not be a wise decision to call a site as scammer. Because the OP had not provided enough evidence about the accusation and also the OP had just come to the site created the accusation and then left. If the lost amount was correct then OP could be more active.

[examplens]

Well Well well ---> YoMix, a fake bitcoin mixer (potential honeypot scam)
The OP of that particular post was perhaps speculating back them, but it's starting to look like he was right about something's about Yomix

There is also a Redditor who was crying foul play about a month ago ([banned mixer] is a pure scam! Beware, but then 17 days back he claimed they had paid him back his money.

Based on the op's accusation it will not be a wise decision to call a site as scammer. Because the OP had not provided enough evidence about the accusation and also the OP had just come to the site created the accusation and then left. If the lost amount was correct then OP could be more active.

But when you combine all this with other accusations like this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5477452.msg63892572#msg63892572 I would not lightly rule out the possibility that it is a scam exit.
I also saw that two reputable managers stated that they are no longer able to get in touch with their former Yomix contacts.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Lol. My education? So, by your logic, if you are currently promoting Mixero on altcointalk, I should point out to you that you do not have a high-paying job since you are participating in a signature campaign?

What kind of nonsense comparison you are bringing in the discussion? How is my financial status relevant in the discussion and relevant to the campaigns I promote. Clearly you do not have knowledge to separate software provider and an API provider. You do not have that level of IT education at all. Do you understand what is necessary to build a software, do you have idea about programming languages, algorithm, database, type of database, how front end connects with back end? Maintaining a Google Spreadsheet does not make you an IT expert.

And NO. You cannot mix your coins using the Jambler site. The fact is that Jambler is a tool that you, as a partner, can use.

Your answer is wrong. You don't have any knowledge about the product you are promoting. Jambler is a mixer, it does not provide the tool to mix but it itself is a tool that do the mixing.

[cryptosize]

Gotta love the forum drama!