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March 03, 2022, 11:33:38 AM |
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Amazing how sports personalities from Russia that are currently IN Russia are expressing their disbelief on what's happening. Voicing out opinions that are against the government's ideals at this time is very hard, considering that the protesters from Day 1 were arrested almost immediately. They are brave enough to tell that something's wrong in the face of a bigger adversary.
It's sad that most sporting events are not including Russia right now on their tourneys and whatnot. The fault of one ruling party affects all that don't even know what's happening.
Any sanctions that are imposed on Russia only cause problems for the general population, which includes athletes. I believe that Russian citizens have long been unable to participate in fair elections and express their positions so this is suppressed by the authorities. The Russian elite has so much money that they can afford to survive on any sanctions, but ordinary people find themselves in a difficult financial situation.
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March 03, 2022, 11:41:27 AM |
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Amazing how sports personalities from Russia that are currently IN Russia are expressing their disbelief on what's happening. Voicing out opinions that are against the government's ideals at this time is very hard, considering that the protesters from Day 1 were arrested almost immediately. They are brave enough to tell that something's wrong in the face of a bigger adversary.
It's sad that most sporting events are not including Russia right now on their tourneys and whatnot. The fault of one ruling party affects all that don't even know what's happening.
Any sanctions that are imposed on Russia only cause problems for the general population, which includes athletes. I believe that Russian citizens have long been unable to participate in fair elections and express their positions so this is suppressed by the authorities. The Russian elite has so much money that they can afford to survive on any sanctions, but ordinary people find themselves in a difficult financial situation. I think the secret hope of the sanctions is also that the brutal economic crisis facing the Russians will lead to some kind of revolution. The only real power that can stop Putin and his regime is his own people. And Russia is so big that the regime cannot capture a revolution if enough people really take to the streets. In addition, in Russia - unlike China - the Internet is still largely free. So far, however, I had the feeling that only a small part, mostly young people in Russia, had rebelled against the regime, and Putin has been able to nip this in the bud.
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March 03, 2022, 11:57:08 AM |
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It will be very difficult for sanctions to be removed once in place as that shows how weak EU and US are if they do so.They,the Russians started the invasion,killed children,committed genocide against humanity among other war crimes like destroying civilians building which are all not allowed in the law of war,they do not care about any of such laws and if that has been the case,the International Court at Hage will start a thorough case against them for such crimes.I doubt EU and US will remove the sanctions easily,they are in place to make all Russia suffer in the long term but I see the effects are already being felt there by everyone.
I don't know if you know it or not, but we (in Russia) are forbidden to call this war a war. Officially, there is no war, and what is happening is called a special operation. Those local media that called it a war have either been closed or are under persecution. Everyone who comes out to protest is arrested for several days (in fact, the period is unknown). Many people who have the opportunity to hastily leave the country. I agree with your assessment that this is for a long time, this is the Iron Curtain 2.0 and in such conditions the ban for athletes is logical - what kind of sport can there be if the entire civilized world breaks all ties with the aggressor country.
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March 03, 2022, 11:57:57 AM |
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Do you really think Putin and his government care about Sport? They will just find more ways to by-pass the restrictions that were placed on them. Just look at the Russian Olympic Committee that exploited a loophole that allowed Russian athletes to compete in the Olympics. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) In any way... Putin and his followers have already compared the potential pro's and cons of a war against the Ukrainians and the losses from a few Sport matches are not a huge loss for them. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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March 03, 2022, 12:19:15 PM |
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Do you really think Putin and his government care about Sport? They will just find more ways to by-pass the restrictions that were placed on them. Just look at the Russian Olympic Committee that exploited a loophole that allowed Russian athletes to compete in the Olympics. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) In any way... Putin and his followers have already compared the potential pro's and cons of a war against the Ukrainians and the losses from a few Sport matches are not a huge loss for them. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Whilst this is true, it's also true that there is an overlap between sanctions and sport, and Putin can be damaged by this. I mean, as one example, Abramovich has been forced to sell Chelsea before the government take it away from him... Putin is an autocrat, his power is based not on popular democratic opinion, but on the small circle of elite billionaires who support him. If you damage the oligarchs, you damage Putin's base. Of course I'm not saying that for example banning Russian Formula One drivers will cause Putin to abandon the war, just that there's an overlap here and he can be damaged by damaging his support.
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March 03, 2022, 12:20:59 PM |
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Do you really think Putin and his government care about Sport? They will just find more ways to by-pass the restrictions that were placed on them. Just look at the Russian Olympic Committee that exploited a loophole that allowed Russian athletes to compete in the Olympics. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) In any way... Putin and his followers have already compared the potential pro's and cons of a war against the Ukrainians and the losses from a few Sport matches are not a huge loss for them. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) The worst thing is that ordinary people suffer from all this. If Russian athletes cannot take part in international competitions, it will be a serious blow to their financial well-being. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them quit sport to feed their families.
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March 03, 2022, 12:26:11 PM |
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Do you really think Putin and his government care about Sport? They will just find more ways to by-pass the restrictions that were placed on them. Just look at the Russian Olympic Committee that exploited a loophole that allowed Russian athletes to compete in the Olympics. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) In any way... Putin and his followers have already compared the potential pro's and cons of a war against the Ukrainians and the losses from a few Sport matches are not a huge loss for them. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) The worst thing is that ordinary people suffer from all this. If Russian athletes cannot take part in international competitions, it will be a serious blow to their financial well-being. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them quit sport to feed their families. They can try to change nationality and participate under different flag. Lot of athletes do that if their country has quota limits for their country.
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March 03, 2022, 12:29:55 PM |
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Glad that someone has compiled all of this stuff because I've been seeing this articles before and I lurk in gambling board and I haven't seen anyone making a thread about it or talking about it. I think that these reactions is justifiable since they're making sure that they're distancing themselves from the conflict which is bad for these organizations images.
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This. I don't remember them banning the US from the olympics when they invaded Iraq for nothing. Why did they kill Saddam again? For having nuclear or chemical warheads... And then we learned he didn't have any. Right now it is free for all. The west is freely seizing all the Russian property they can. I guess law of the jungle is ruling us once again. Maybe it never left us. This just only mean that Westerners has a huge influence to the world, and yeah they can actually do whatever they want and the world will follow all because of that influence. Now, let's go back to the topic. I have even seen an article about a sports video game removing Russian national teams and players. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10570229/amp/EA-Sports-remove-Russian-national-team-Russian-clubs-FIFA-22.htmlThe sanctions for Russia has gotten worst and worst every single day. I'm afraid If people from different countries will attack a person residing if they knew he/she's Russian . That would be the worst thing to happen because of this war.
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Do you really think Putin and his government care about Sport? They will just find more ways to by-pass the restrictions that were placed on them. Just look at the Russian Olympic Committee that exploited a loophole that allowed Russian athletes to compete in the Olympics. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) In any way... Putin and his followers have already compared the potential pro's and cons of a war against the Ukrainians and the losses from a few Sport matches are not a huge loss for them. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) The worst thing is that ordinary people suffer from all this. If Russian athletes cannot take part in international competitions, it will be a serious blow to their financial well-being. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them quit sport to feed their families. Politics is politics. I dont know why they allow politics in sport. Im not Russian or something but you should at least allow sports to be played. They have families aswell that live from sports. Uefa and Fifa always said dont get politics involved in sports and thats just what they did. Hopefully the war stops soon so things can go to normal
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March 03, 2022, 01:07:56 PM |
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Amazing how sports personalities from Russia that are currently IN Russia are expressing their disbelief on what's happening. Voicing out opinions that are against the government's ideals at this time is very hard, considering that the protesters from Day 1 were arrested almost immediately. They are brave enough to tell that something's wrong in the face of a bigger adversary.
It's sad that most sporting events are not including Russia right now on their tourneys and whatnot. The fault of one ruling party affects all that don't even know what's happening.
Any sanctions that are imposed on Russia only cause problems for the general population, which includes athletes. I believe that Russian citizens have long been unable to participate in fair elections and express their positions so this is suppressed by the authorities. The Russian elite has so much money that they can afford to survive on any sanctions, but ordinary people find themselves in a difficult financial situation. I think the secret hope of the sanctions is also that the brutal economic crisis facing the Russians will lead to some kind of revolution. The only real power that can stop Putin and his regime is his own people. And Russia is so big that the regime cannot capture a revolution if enough people really take to the streets. In addition, in Russia - unlike China - the Internet is still largely free. So far, however, I had the feeling that only a small part, mostly young people in Russia, had rebelled against the regime, and Putin has been able to nip this in the bud. Any conflict can be resolved through negotiations, while sanctions are more like the destruction of the economy, which as we know very often turns into a real war. If you follow your logic, the Russian authorities will be forced to completely cut off gas, oil and metals supplies to the countries that imposed sanctions against Russia. Politics is politics. I dont know why they allow politics in sport. Im not Russian or something but you should at least allow sports to be played. They have families aswell that live from sports. Uefa and Fifa always said dont get politics involved in sports and thats just what they did. Hopefully the war stops soon so things can go to normal
As it turned out, not only sports are mixed in politics, but also cryptocurrencies.
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Thanks for sharing all of this information, merit left and deserving for following up with all of this. As much as I don’t want to hurt the average Russian who most likely has nothing to do with this war, I think it’s important to hurt the Russian economy in any way we can. If we piss off the people enough, we could see them support their evil dictator less and less.
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I agree with what the international sports committees did in banning russia who invaded ukraine from competing in world sports, but has the committee been doing fair rules so far? Because as far as I know it seems that the world sports committee tends to be more aggressive when the ukraine state was invaded, but they were silent when the americas invaded aghanistan and the middle east, so it seems the world sports committee prefers to turn a blind eye to what israel is doing to palestine until recently. Honestly, I see that there seems to be injustice in the decision, if they really criticize Russia actions, of course they should take action against Israel, which continues to kill Palestinians...!
STOP THE WAR AND GIVE FOR FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE And UKRAINE
We all don't want war to happen anywhere, but the egos of many world leaders make bloodshed often happen, I think the current sanctions are just political games from people in power and make sports as a means of playing their politics, I think what what has happened in the last few days in ukraine is too much of a priority, while what has happened for years in palestine they have ignored all this time, I personally quite regret the attitude of world leaders who have turned a blind eye to all the suffering that has happened in palestine so far and hope they act fair in making decisions regardless of race and religion.
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March 03, 2022, 02:10:15 PM |
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Could these bans cause many russians who do not support the invasion of ukraine.
To become more united under Putin. More supportive of the ukraine invasion. In retaliation for these heavy handed measures being directed towards them.
I get that this is supposed to hurt Putin and russia but have people considered it could have the opposite effect.
It is similar to Justin Trudeau declaring martial law in canada and seizing funds donated to truck protestors.
Russians will be angry. Who will they blame for this? Putin or foreigners with their sanctions and cancel culture.
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March 03, 2022, 02:24:01 PM |
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That's a good idea to let them play for another team but they have a contract to fulfill and they are under an obligation under the Russian government to represent them, they will incur the wrath of the Russian government and will be sanctioned, besides this is not permanent if Putin back out the sports organizations may change their decision, this is just a symbolism that they are one in condemning Putin's action.
You are right that Putin will very likely not accept athletes to compete for other teams. Atleast he waited for the Olympics to be over with the invasion. I wonder how long will these sanctions be in place. So far the war is going on for a week and maybe they can negotiate a peace treaty quickly, but even then will the world go back to normality quickly? From the short video clips out of Ukraine it looks like there is a lot of destruction happening. And I imagine that the world will not abandon the sanctions until there is some form of compensation. The conflict could carry on for years and the athletes will have to sit out on international competitions. I expect the list of Russian sport teams to get sanctions to grow each week.
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March 03, 2022, 02:33:47 PM |
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Do you really think Putin and his government care about Sport? They will just find more ways to by-pass the restrictions that were placed on them. Just look at the Russian Olympic Committee that exploited a loophole that allowed Russian athletes to compete in the Olympics. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) In any way... Putin and his followers have already compared the potential pro's and cons of a war against the Ukrainians and the losses from a few Sport matches are not a huge loss for them. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Of course they care sports. He attended the Beijing Olympics. In every olympics, Russia wins alot of gold medals proving they motivate their citizen to engage in sports. This is a competitive race same as Chinese. But right now its now their priority because of the war. In MMA, they almost dominate already. Most of my bets atually for Khabib and his proteges. But now all their fighters are also affected. The wolrd gone mad that even them are sanctioned.
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March 03, 2022, 04:18:34 PM |
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I guess its too hard with the punishment that the athletes are now prohibited to play their particular sports, but of course, it's their president so they can't do anything with that also they are both recovering with their economy got too many expenses to their war, as possible they make the peace talk immediately than risking the lives of the people.
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March 03, 2022, 04:47:37 PM |
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To become more united under Putin. More supportive of the ukraine invasion. In retaliation for these heavy handed measures being directed towards them.
I get that this is supposed to hurt Putin and russia but have people considered it could have the opposite effect.
Definitely it is. The more and more severe the sanctions against the Russians, the more united they will be around their leader. So it looks like the stupid politicians from Europe and the USA will just have the opposite effect. And the mass consciousness of Russians will blame the USA and their European hangers-on. The tougher the sanctions, the tougher the response to them will be. And Europe will be able to feel it with its big euro inflation. It's just ridiculous when Switzerland prohibits the passage of Russian civil aircraft in its airspace, and Russia in response closes its airspace to Swiss aircraft. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) What do you think - is there a difference when the Swiss will have to fly in a huge loop over the ocean to China, Japan and Korea? And accordingly pay for aviation fuel. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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March 03, 2022, 06:22:01 PM |
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I guess its too hard with the punishment that the athletes are now prohibited to play their particular sports, but of course, it's their president so they can't do anything with that also they are both recovering with their economy got too many expenses to their war, as possible they make the peace talk immediately than risking the lives of the people.
Agreed, but this is similar to the asian hatred that has occurred in other countries as a result of COVID, in which they have come to despise all Asians since it began in China. I could honestly say that it is sad that athletes are being barred from participating in games because of the war, but I believe that this is the best decision for their safety because we don't know what people will do on them given that many people are now angry at the Russian president because of the war between Ukraine and the second is that I believe the Russian government will not allow it because they are in an economic crisis.
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March 03, 2022, 06:39:05 PM |
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The world is trying to raise the pressure over Russia in any possible ways they can. Besides being an humiliation for Russia to be removed from the sports' scene, it has also an internal strong impact as athletes and sports fans may turn themselves against Putin ffor creating this totally unnecessary mess with serious consequences especially for the average russian citizens and soldiers, who will suffer due to the economical depression and war casualties. Now they can't even participate international competitions, what is really frustrating and leads them to be more isolated than ever in the global scene.
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