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March 04, 2022, 09:06:28 AM |
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I'll probably return to the topic about which OP is talking about. I note that I heard in the sports news that the organizers of almost all international competitions now began to exclude not only athletes from Russia from competitions, but for some reason this also spread to Belarusian athletes and sports teams. As far as I know, Belarus is not participating in this military operation, its soldiers are not fighting. Why such discrimination? With the same success, you can safely exclude athletes from everywhere, for example, from Iran, Mali, Somalia, North Korea..... And what kind of international competition will it be? .... Some insanity and idiocy. ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) I also saw in the news that they're not joining the war. But I guess this ban and exclusion of Belarus from these sports committees and organizations is due to the claim of Ukraine that Belarus is joining the war. Apart from that, I don't see any reason for it and I'm still researching most news about it and one other is probably because Russia and Belarus are allies.
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March 04, 2022, 09:10:01 AM |
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I note that I heard in the sports news that the organizers of almost all international competitions now began to exclude not only athletes from Russia from competitions, but for some reason this also spread to Belarusian athletes and sports teams. As far as I know, Belarus is not participating in this military operation, its soldiers are not fighting. Why such discrimination?
Belarus is participating; they are actively supporting Russia. They are hosting thousands of Russian troops, their airports are used as a base by Russian fighter planes, their president has recently changed the law to enable Belarus to host Russian nuclear missiles. Lukashenko is a Putin puppet.
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March 04, 2022, 09:25:34 AM |
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It is nice to see that the world unites to suppress Vladimir Putin and end his invasion to Ukraine. It seems that not only business but also sports which I think is business too but wouldn't that be enough to stop Putin in his invasion to Ukraine? I don't have any idea what will happened to Russia after this war ended? would they be able to get back to sports competitions or they will need to regain back the trust of the other countries before they can reenter the competitions again?
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March 04, 2022, 12:02:45 PM |
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It is nice to see that the world unites to suppress Vladimir Putin and end his invasion to Ukraine. It seems that not only business but also sports which I think is business too but wouldn't that be enough to stop Putin in his invasion to Ukraine? I don't have any idea what will happened to Russia after this war ended? would they be able to get back to sports competitions or they will need to regain back the trust of the other countries before they can reenter the competitions again?
if you see a doping case that Russia has supported, it's possible they using ROC (Russian Olympic Committee) again. ATP allows Russian athlete to play without names and the Russian flag. you can see the name Daniil Medvedev as no.1 without Russian attribute.
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March 04, 2022, 12:17:45 PM |
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I normally see all Russian athletes showing their support for Ukraine, but there was an exceptional situation in chess. Top chess player Sergey Karjakin has expressed his support for Putin. Chess players are intelligent people, especially at a high level. I wonder what possesses him to write such a thing on twitter. Could play that he used to be a resident of Ukraine, he now seems to have Russian nationality. That could play into it, maybe he left the country there with a lot of fights. Otherwise you are not going to show your support for Putin for any reason.
Being a professional chess player doesn't mean you're also good at political's perspective, and vice versa. Sports and Government issues will never be related to each other, that's why whatever his opinion is regarding about the recent conflict between Russia and Ukraine is not connected to his sports. It's nice to know that sports community did such thing. Sports should be sports only, personal opinion would never have to be consider on it.
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March 04, 2022, 12:24:20 PM |
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Even we don't like the idea of banning Russian players, it's good that there's pressure for Vladimir Putin. Not all Russians want the war and something should hit Putin's head into calmness state. But I don't how those things will be solved as there are now more civilians killed in Ukraine because of a Russian invasion. It's not as easy as Putin will stop the invasion. How about those innocent people being killed?
Putin needs to be stopped. Russia loves peace, I'm sure about that.
I think that after the end of the war, in which Russia will lose (you cannot win a war against the whole world), it will pay huge reparations to Ukraine. The dead people cannot be returned, it is true, but the destruction will be paid for by Russia itself. I'm not saying that this will happen right tomorrow, perhaps the sanctions will destroy Russia in a few years, but I am sure that this will happen - all these crimes that the whole world has seen cannot be hidden or canceled.
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March 04, 2022, 01:15:00 PM |
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It is nice to see that the world unites to suppress Vladimir Putin and end his invasion to Ukraine. It seems that not only business but also sports which I think is business too but wouldn't that be enough to stop Putin in his invasion to Ukraine? I don't have any idea what will happened to Russia after this war ended? would they be able to get back to sports competitions or they will need to regain back the trust of the other countries before they can reenter the competitions again?
Putin can drag this war for a long time he is an arrogant dictator he will not accept defeat and in fact, he put the nuclear team on high alert, this is too risky we are fighting a mad man who can lead us to nuclear war, that is why countries do not want to directly engage against Russian they are only sending ammunitions and supplies so Ukrainian can keep up fighting Russia.
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March 04, 2022, 01:15:33 PM |
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I think that after the end of the war, in which Russia will lose (you cannot win a war against the whole world), it will pay huge reparations to Ukraine.
I sounds sad and wildly, but no one pays reparations nowadays. Reparations were not paid not after armed conflict in Syria, Afganistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Vietnam and etc. The only country that paid any reparations was Finland after WW2. Side that won get military equipment and enginery (basically scrap metal) and maybe some benefits from future agreements. That is it. No one pays for destroyed infrastructure and etc. Sad to see that one of the best boxer Vasily Lomachenko had to join army. This might end as his last "fight". War spares no one. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftn.com.ar%2Fresizer%2FIXs4B0imtyMv2SnSAQ6wzJwj62U%3D%2F767x0%2Fsmart%2Ffilters%3Aquality%2860%29%2Fcloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com%2Fartear%2FJMMLSQO6YVEANBHGGDBRN4FTRA.JPG&t=665&c=t3TiDTsBMy4Xtw) Same goes to Olexander Usyk. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi2-prod.mirror.co.uk%2Fincoming%2Farticle26346826.ece%2FALTERNATES%2Fn310p%2F0_FMrUqw9WQAAuncM.jpg&t=665&c=SGGmei6KP-p9nA) If they got shot, it will be a huge loss for sport.
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March 04, 2022, 01:59:29 PM |
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Putin can drag this war for a long time he is an arrogant dictator he will not accept defeat and in fact, he put the nuclear team on high alert, this is too risky we are fighting a mad man who can lead us to nuclear war, that is why countries do not want to directly engage against Russian they are only sending ammunitions and supplies so Ukrainian can keep up fighting Russia.
With this being said I can say that Putin is a kind of a leader that doesn't need to be pissed off because what he said will be put into action. Actually, I am also one of those people being worried and afraid if this war will be widen and will take longer, we've not been yet recovered from the economic loses we've been through because of pandemic then here it is again, it is already stressful. I do really hope and pray that this war may end the soonest and may not widen to affect many civilians.
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March 04, 2022, 02:05:00 PM |
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I think the sanctions should have been lessen now because if it continues that might trigger as well to Putin for another one. I don't know if these sanctions will last but hoping diplomacy wins on it, they should have done it in sports over bullets. It's just a personal interest after all.
There is nothing bad for the whole world of sport organizations to completely ban or ban Russia indefinitely, it should also go beyond that, Russia should be completely disconnected from trading with Europeans and American continents and if possible Africa. Russia depended on nations and later using power to threaten them. I hope Russian is banned from world cup, continental cups, UEFA leagues. This is a best decision.
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March 04, 2022, 02:59:40 PM |
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Before the war in Ukraine, the Belarus government and Russia have been in good terms and that is why it is easy for this growing support against Ukraine. Yesterday ,the Belarus president visited Putin and was seen taking pictures together. This is why Zelensky initially rejected the idea of a peace talk in Belarus.
At the moment (for a couple of years already), Belarus is formally a state, but in fact it is another region of Russia that it has occupied after the 2020 protests in Belarus. Belarus exists on loans from Russia, Russian troops are stationed there (and attacking Ukraine from the territory of Belarus), and even most of the employees of the Belarusian propaganda media are Russians. This is bad news for Belarus, but it will share the responsibility with Russia for these war crimes.
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March 04, 2022, 03:28:56 PM |
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Even we don't like the idea of banning Russian players, it's good that there's pressure for Vladimir Putin. Not all Russians want the war and something should hit Putin's head into calmness state. But I don't how those things will be solved as there are now more civilians killed in Ukraine because of a Russian invasion. It's not as easy as Putin will stop the invasion. How about those innocent people being killed?
Putin needs to be stopped. Russia loves peace, I'm sure about that.
I think that after the end of the war, in which Russia will lose (you cannot win a war against the whole world), it will pay huge reparations to Ukraine. The dead people cannot be returned, it is true, but the destruction will be paid for by Russia itself. I'm not saying that this will happen right tomorrow, perhaps the sanctions will destroy Russia in a few years, but I am sure that this will happen - all these crimes that the whole world has seen cannot be hidden or canceled. Very right -but I disagree that Putin loves Peace, these super power will do anything to destroy peace. Resulting - kids will miss their dads and widows will moarn for their husbands for whole lives. Sports has always been used as a medium to promote peace. And Along side the mentioned threads on the main page- I have heard in the local news channel that Formula1 has also canceled their contract with Russia's Grand Prix promoter. May peace prevail!
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March 04, 2022, 03:39:10 PM |
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It becomes funny already right when I heard about this because its close to sanctioning the pasionate athletes who are not involve in the government decision. Whats saidnl above that they are also excluding Belarus, India or Iran is really far stretched.
Nato is doing exactly what is done to them as if these NATO members weren't sanctioned themselves. Suprisingly, no Chinese atheletes excluded yet but they were just beaten on streets. These boycott an exclusions.comes from countries that have not experienced war for more than centuries.
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March 04, 2022, 04:30:50 PM |
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Sad to see that one of the best boxer Vasily Lomachenko had to join army. This might end as his last "fight". War spares no one.
Same goes to Olexander Usyk. <...>
Along with other well-known boxers, like Lomachenko and Usyk, former heavyweight world champions, the Klitschko brothers, have already been carrying weapons for days. Vitali, the former WBC and WBO champion and current mayor of Kyiv, said he had no option but to join the fight against Russia. His brother, Wladimir, a former WBA, WBO and IBF champion, enlisted in Ukraine's reserve army last month, even before the war began. As reported by The Times, both boxing legends in Ukraine are on a Putin's "kill list" with more than 400 Russian mercenaries operating in Kyiv on orders from the Kremlin to assassinate President Zelensky and his inner circle.
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March 04, 2022, 05:00:25 PM |
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It is nice to see that the world unites to suppress Vladimir Putin and end his invasion to Ukraine. It seems that not only business but also sports which I think is business too but wouldn't that be enough to stop Putin in his invasion to Ukraine? I don't have any idea what will happened to Russia after this war ended? would they be able to get back to sports competitions or they will need to regain back the trust of the other countries before they can reenter the competitions again?
Putin can drag this war for a long time he is an arrogant dictator he will not accept defeat and in fact, he put the nuclear team on high alert, this is too risky we are fighting a mad man who can lead us to nuclear war, that is why countries do not want to directly engage against Russian they are only sending ammunitions and supplies so Ukrainian can keep up fighting Russia. The super powers can do anything to anyone in particular if they are weak. We have seen this from our childhood. This planet has no place for the weak. Only the fit survive. Yesterday it was Iraq, Serya, Afghanistan today its Ukraine tomorrow it can be my country or your country. No-one knows how many such dreadful deaths we will see in the days to come. There is no end to it. We will all be making noise and one day we all will rest in peace.
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March 04, 2022, 05:09:54 PM |
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^ I am not on their side but I feel pity for them because they are innocent people and I don't know if they are even a pro-Putin which they are. It seems there is discrimination against all Russian players and athletes because their country invaded Ukraine and now they are suffering too from what their country did. There is too many sports event that has been canceled or postponed, the gambling industry was been affected too. Nevertheless, this is not the right.
I agree with you, the Russian sportsmen have not done anything wrong and yet they see reaction of everyone around. They should be allowed to play sports and people can send the message of peace through them. Russian would not admit that they have done anything wrong. They would have their own justifications for it. The world needs to find solution for this kind of invasions in coming days. There are threats of nuclear war as well. May we never see another Heroshima and Nagasaki again.
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March 04, 2022, 05:16:50 PM |
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I think that the world of sports has always been one of the firsts if not the very first to show solidarity in any situation and during any event. Its really a big part of what sports is about. Its about getting people together, showing humanity and discouraging inhumanity.
This is what the olympics are always about. Nobody cares about the medals, its about friendly competition and a strengthening of the bonds between countries. But this can go both ways. Currently the Russian people will feel the pang of being left out of something that everyone else is a part of. Something good. Something that would hurt to be left out of.
Economic sanctions do not have this human element.
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March 04, 2022, 05:28:41 PM |
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I normally see all Russian athletes showing their support for Ukraine, but there was an exceptional situation in chess. Top chess player Sergey Karjakin has expressed his support for Putin. Chess players are intelligent people, especially at a high level. I wonder what possesses him to write such a thing on twitter. Could play that he used to be a resident of Ukraine, he now seems to have Russian nationality. That could play into it, maybe he left the country there with a lot of fights. Otherwise you are not going to show your support for Putin for any reason.
Ah this is a famous issue in the chess world where Sergey Karjakin expressed his opinion about the war. Unfortunately, he supported the war and saw it as something that is positive to him- in which the whole chess community reacted against him. For the statements that he made, he was banned in participating in Norway Chess and he now faces an ethics case against him. Fellow Russian GM Alexander Grischuk made a statement about the war in which he said that he supports 99% of the international conflicts of Russia, but he is totally against the unnecessary and chaotic war against Ukraine.
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March 04, 2022, 11:26:02 PM |
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The only question is, how far do you want to go?
What would happen if Putin decides to end the war now? Would these sanctions by the sports associations also be reversed?
Until Putin changed his mind and solve the problem within talks. Unfortunately, that was unlikely to happen and Putin does even have a lot of plans to execute from now on. Yes, sanctions will be lifted especially to sports however Putin will face tons of violations under Human Rights. I don't see Putin will end their invasion. I also don't see any pressure from Putin even there's a massive call to end the war. Let's face the fact that will be a long-time war. Even though we don't like what happens to Russian athletes, what choice does the world have to slow down Putin?
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March 05, 2022, 03:27:37 AM |
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I think it's good that the sports world is standing up and protesting through statements and certain exclusions. The only question is, how far do you want to go? a lot of individual players are now being hit, who may also have financial problems as a result. You don't attack the government that way. But it also makes sense that if a few unions impose these sanctions, the rest will follow. What would happen if Putin decides to end the war now? Would these sanctions by the sports associations also be reversed?
From the looks of it, I think, Putin is not thinking of stopping the war. It is more on the opposite, going all out in this war. Sports is one of the industries that will suffer in this aggression. We will see what will happen in the next coming days, but there's no sign of slowing down from Russia's end. Putin is ready to sacrifice his people at all cost. That's the sad truth about this situation. Russia not try to stop war and invasion to Ukraine exactly have punishment giving by Russian president to UEFA and FIFA after their team national country and Spartak Moscow banned in football competition, Putin have warning for FIFA and UEFA if his national country can participating on World Cup Qatar never hope will have World Cup tournament will begin on Qatar, I think looks serious with warning given by Russia president to FIFA if not unbanned national country on world cup.
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