How long ukraine could survive?

[laredo7mm]

Despite the effort of the USA and their ally Ukraine is losing ground every day. Kyiv could fall anytime and some major city is already under Russian control. RF would stop after the fall of Kyiv or does Putin has some other plan in mind? This prolonged war could drain the resource of the EU and Russia but in long term, it could bring some stability in that region or we could see another cold war?

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[TheNineClub]

If by some other plan you mean going further than Ukraine then the answer is a definitive no. Would he go for the whole of Ukraine? I doubt it because holding a certain territory for a smaller amount of time is possible, anything longer is not doable. I think that studies show that you need 5 occupying soldiers on the ground for 1 local insurgent, and Russia would not be able to sustain that long-term. Even though media reporting is not to be completely trusted (not that they are lying but maybe they do not get the right info), it seems to me that Russians are downplaying the impact sanctions will have on them, and I do believe, in the long run, it would take a significant toll, that would, in return, affect their military power when trying to preserve their presence in a specific region. So it really depends on what we consider as surviving (regarding Ukraine).

[Etranger]

Despite the effort of the USA and their ally Ukraine is losing ground every day. Kyiv could fall anytime and some major city is already under Russian control. RF would stop after the fall of Kyiv or does Putin has some other plan in mind? This prolonged war could drain the resource of the EU and Russia but in long term, it could bring some stability in that region or we could see another cold war?

This map is total fake. As well as your claims about the occupation and fall of big cities. Ukraine will stand and fight till the end, because we are fighting for something real, not illusional. Ukraine struggles for freedom, democracy and human rights. Ukraine fights for the conviction of the whole civilized world. And we will not give up, because we are sure of our own rightness. We protect our land and our right to live on it as we wish. Ukraine will continue to combat because we don`t want to live in a world invented by a bunch of unhealthy people.

[LTU_btc]

This map is total fake. As well as your claims about the occupation and fall of big cities. Ukraine will stand and fight till the end, because we are fighting for something real, not illusional. Ukraine struggles for freedom, democracy and human rights. Ukraine fights for the conviction of the whole civilized world. And we will not give up, because we are sure of our own rightness. We protect our land and our right to live on it as we wish. Ukraine will continue to combat because we don`t want to live in a world invented by a bunch of unhealthy people.

Yeah, it's completely fake. Seems it was taken from some Russian website. It shows quite many Ukraine citys under control of Russia, but in reality only Kherson was taken in last 24 hours.
They are trying to achieve so called denacification, but I still don't understand how destroying cities and killing civilians is denazification. Russia themselves is scting like fascists.

[lumbanrang]

Surely Ukraine will last longer because in that country there are many heroes who are ready to sacrifice their lives to fight Russian aggression. And also international support will continue to flow to Ukraine and this is what gives them encouragement!

[IIV]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

[KingScorpio]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

the question is how soon will ukranians admit the genocide of their regime in donbass and stop fighting

[af_newbie]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

the question is how soon will ukranians admit the genocide of their regime in donbass and stop fighting

At the current rate of detrition, the Russian military will be unable to continue receiving losses at the current rate in about a year.

200 tanks/week
9000 soldiers/week
900 armored vehicles/week

Assuming they would be able to bring ALL their arm forces to Ukraine.

As long as the West keeps supplying Ukrainians with weapons and supplies, along with economic and financial pressures, Putin has no
possible way of winning this war.

If he resorts to the use of nuclear weapons, all he will do is hasten his fall.

If they manage to destroy the Ukrainian military equipment at a faster rate than the West will replenish them, then Putinians will be faced
with guerilla warfare, in the very unfriendly country and millions of fierce fighters.

I think he is prepared to annihilate Ukraine just like he leveled Chechnya.  However, he has a few problems:  the West support, the lack of revenues, opposition at home and abroad, etc.

You tell me, how in the world he can win this war?

[tvbcof]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

the question is how soon will ukranians admit the genocide of their regime in donbass and stop fighting

The Talmudic Jews who are running all sides of this thing will fight right down to the last Ukrainian Nazi at least.  That wouldn't exactly break my heart as someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight and who finds Nazi ideology to be distasteful.

After that, they might continue on until the non-nazi gentile cohort is smaller.  Or they might accomplish that objective over time as in various other mostly Islamic regions.  We'll just have to see.  It would be nice if other goyim around the globe took note of the ways and means of bringing about the 'world to come' (aka 'tikkun olam'), but I doubt that very many will.

[Gyfts]

They're no longer surviving, they pose no resistance to the Russian army. Just looking at some of the aftermath from the Russian shelling tells you this is over, Ukraine does not have enough military power to fight the Russians, period. The USA hasn't provided any help, just some kind hearted tweets.

Also notice how Putin is targeting civilian areas in his assault - he didn't expect so much resistance, both in war and in the propaganda efforts, so he became desperate and began bombing civilian buildings. Safe to say Ukraine is gone.

[LTU_btc]

They're no longer surviving, they pose no resistance to the Russian army. Just looking at some of the aftermath from the Russian shelling tells you this is over, Ukraine does not have enough military power to fight the Russians, period. The USA hasn't provided any help, just some kind hearted tweets.

Also notice how Putin is targeting civilian areas in his assault - he didn't expect so much resistance, both in war and in the propaganda efforts, so he became desperate and began bombing civilian buildings. Safe to say Ukraine is gone.

You contradicting yourself - first you say that they pose no resistance and then that Putin didn't expected so much resistance. I don't know from where you're getting news, but telling that Ukraine army don't resist is complete nonsense.
''Safe to say that Ukraine is gone'' - you killed whole nation by making such sentence. Be careful by making such bald statements.
But I agree that USA didn't gave significant help. Even from sanctions for Russia perspective - sanctions that they imposed is such soft compared with what EU countries have done.

[Gyfts]

They're no longer surviving, they pose no resistance to the Russian army. Just looking at some of the aftermath from the Russian shelling tells you this is over, Ukraine does not have enough military power to fight the Russians, period. The USA hasn't provided any help, just some kind hearted tweets.

Also notice how Putin is targeting civilian areas in his assault - he didn't expect so much resistance, both in war and in the propaganda efforts, so he became desperate and began bombing civilian buildings. Safe to say Ukraine is gone.

You contradicting yourself - first you say that they pose no resistance and then that Putin didn't expected so much resistance. I don't know from where you're getting news, but telling that Ukraine army don't resist is complete nonsense.
''Safe to say that Ukraine is gone'' - you killed whole nation by making such sentence. Be careful by making such bald statements.
But I agree that USA didn't gave significant help. Even from sanctions for Russia perspective - sanctions that they imposed is such soft compared with what EU countries have done.

Let me clarify - They pose resistance through non-voluntary compliance. Meaning, they are not succumbing to Putin without fighting. But, that does pose any real or significant deterrence that would cause Putin to withdraw his troops. So their resistance is unsuccessful.

The only way to overcome the Russian military would be a sizeable army and modern weapons, and Ukraine doesn't have that. I'm seeing steady streams of info celebrating that Ukraine is able to fend the Russian army simultaneously as Russia announces they've captured regions and the city of Kherson.

Someone has to be wrong, I think it's probably the Ukrainians.

[suchmoon]

Someone has to be wrong, I think it's probably the Ukrainians.

No. Both can be correct. Ukrainians are successfully resisting in some places and losing in others. Success for them is inflicting as much pain as possible for the Russian forces and if they die in the process of killing 10 invaders - so be it. Same could also be the definition of success for Putin, because he doesn't give a shit about deaths, whether it's his soldiers or Ukrainians.

Bombs can only go so far, as I'm sure anyone who's heard of Afghanistan or Iraq could tell you. Every civilian killed in bombardments etc makes 100 more sign up to fight because there is nothing else they can do about it. Compared to the motivation of the invading army this is a losing proposition for Russia, even if they capture a city or raze it to the ground.

[tvbcof]

They're no longer surviving, they pose no resistance to the Russian army. ... Safe to say Ukraine is gone.

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''Safe to say that Ukraine is gone'' - you killed whole nation by making such sentence. Be careful by making such bald statements.
But I agree that USA didn't gave significant help. Even from sanctions for Russia perspective - sanctions that they imposed is such soft compared with what EU countries have done.

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Someone has to be wrong, I think it's probably the Ukrainians.

You'd think that by now the Ukrainians would have learned the old adage: "With Jews, you lose."

Actually, a lot of them (including a lot of Jews) probably did a long time ago, but the options were limited.  That's why it is one of the few places that have actual dyed-in-the-wool Nazi's in any significant number.

I predict that a lot of countries with a Jewish population in any number at all are going to learn the same harsh lesson only more-so.  That absolutely includes the Jew-S-A who have a LOT and a lot of them in high positions.  The reaction will be to, yet again for the hundredth time and counting, 'run the Jews out.'  They'll 'run to Israel' which just so happens to be exactly what a lot of cretins consider to be what the 'prophecy' calls for in the 'end of days.'

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Lots of people consider me an 'anti-semite' or whatever.  That's fine and I don't care a lot although I don't believe it to be true.  The actual fact of the matter is that I see about the only hope for humanity against these creepy Talmudic Jews and their schemes is indeed 'the Jews' themselves.  The many I have known over the years are probably the only people possessing both the background to understand this shit, and, frankly, the intellectual wherewithal to figure out what to do about it.  I will say to them that 'you better wake their ass up' and do something before it is simply to late.  If it isn't already.

[yhiaali3]

It seems that we will witness a long war. Russia will not allow the presence of NATO on its borders at any cost. NATO wants to weaken Russia under the leadership of Putin, and Ukraine is the victim. The economic embargo will not cause harm to Russia alone, but there are many European countries that will be affected by the economic embargo, especially if Russia decides to respond and cut off oil and gas from Europe. I think that Putin will not back down until he achieves his strategic goals, and if the West does not abandon its pride and try to find a way to end the crisis with Russia, the war will be long and may expand much more and threaten the peace of the whole world.

[af_newbie]

It seems that we will witness a long war. Russia will not allow the presence of NATO on its borders at any cost. NATO wants to weaken Russia under the leadership of Putin, and Ukraine is the victim. The economic embargo will not cause harm to Russia alone, but there are many European countries that will be affected by the economic embargo, especially if Russia decides to respond and cut off oil and gas from Europe. I think that Putin will not back down until he achieves his strategic goals, and if the West does not abandon its pride and try to find a way to end the crisis with Russia, the war will be long and may expand much more and threaten the peace of the whole world.

They want to exterminate ("denazify") Ukrainians and annex Ukrainian territory into Putin's Russian Empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3_R__r7Go

[Etranger]

It seems that we will witness a long war. Russia will not allow the presence of NATO on its borders at any cost. NATO wants to weaken Russia under the leadership of Putin, and Ukraine is the victim. The economic embargo will not cause harm to Russia alone, but there are many European countries that will be affected by the economic embargo, especially if Russia decides to respond and cut off oil and gas from Europe. I think that Putin will not back down until he achieves his strategic goals, and if the West does not abandon its pride and try to find a way to end the crisis with Russia, the war will be long and may expand much more and threaten the peace of the whole world.

They want to exterminate ("denazify") Ukrainians and annex Ukrainian territory into Putin's Russian Empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3_R__r7Go

Ukrainians will not allow this. Putin wanted to divide us, but united us instead. Ukraine has never been as joint as it is now. People have very fresh memories of the horror of the Soviet Empire. Yes, an empire, not an alliance or union. Even Russians themselves use the terms "Soviet Union", "Russian Empire" and "Russian Federation" as synonyms. They want to recreate themselves as a metropolis with barely alive colonies, from which nothing but resources can be taken. This is how they see their greatness. Bring discord, destruction and degradation to once-living territories and consider themselves superior to those, who already on the verge of death. But they did not expect such resistance. They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, posters and tears of joy. And it turned out that the flowers are waiting for them only on their own graves.

[af_newbie]

It seems that we will witness a long war. Russia will not allow the presence of NATO on its borders at any cost. NATO wants to weaken Russia under the leadership of Putin, and Ukraine is the victim. The economic embargo will not cause harm to Russia alone, but there are many European countries that will be affected by the economic embargo, especially if Russia decides to respond and cut off oil and gas from Europe. I think that Putin will not back down until he achieves his strategic goals, and if the West does not abandon its pride and try to find a way to end the crisis with Russia, the war will be long and may expand much more and threaten the peace of the whole world.

They want to exterminate ("denazify") Ukrainians and annex Ukrainian territory into Putin's Russian Empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3_R__r7Go

Ukrainians will not allow this. Putin wanted to divide us, but united us instead. Ukraine has never been as joint as it is now. People have very fresh memories of the horror of the Soviet Empire. Yes, an empire, not an alliance or union. Even Russians themselves use the terms "Soviet Union", "Russian Empire" and "Russian Federation" as synonyms. They want to recreate themselves as a metropolis with barely alive colonies, from which nothing but resources can be taken. This is how they see their greatness. Bring discord, destruction and degradation to once-living territories and consider themselves superior to those, who already on the verge of death. But they did not expect such resistance. They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, posters and tears of joy. And it turned out that the flowers are waiting for them only on their own graves.

I hope not.  The West needs to send thousands of Javelins and Stingers to them now. 
They are very effective.  Turkey's drones were also very effective.

I know Ukrainians will fight.  They just need help from the West.

Unfortunately, NATO is too weak to provide them with air support.  That is a tragedy.

Another Soviet Union will be a disaster for all nations under it, Russians in Russia included.

[Etranger]

Another Soviet Union will be a disaster for all nations under it, Russians in Russia included.

More people should understand that. Otherwise, this catastrophe will happen. Another Soviet Union would be a disaster for all nations, not only those, who would be its parts. That is why it is so important to prevent this disaster. That is why we should be involved in the informational war Russia began. If nothing changes in people's minds, we should not expect changes on the battlefield.

[yhiaali3]

Ukrainians will not allow this. Putin wanted to divide us, but united us instead. Ukraine has never been as joint as it is now. People have very fresh memories of the horror of the Soviet Empire. Yes, an empire, not an alliance or union. Even Russians themselves use the terms "Soviet Union", "Russian Empire" and "Russian Federation" as synonyms. They want to recreate themselves as a metropolis with barely alive colonies, from which nothing but resources can be taken. This is how they see their greatness. Bring discord, destruction and degradation to once-living territories and consider themselves superior to those, who already on the verge of death. But they did not expect such resistance. They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, posters and tears of joy. And it turned out that the flowers are waiting for them only on their own graves.

I am of course sympathetic to the Ukrainians and very sad for them, I think most countries of the world do that too, the Ukrainians will resist and this is their right and everyone should help them defend themselves, Putin is guilty and Russia is also guilty of this aggression against an independent sovereign state, but from my point of view the West Guilty also for two reasons:
The first reason is that the West brought Ukraine into this problem when it tried to include Ukraine in NATO, and they know that Russia will not accept that.
The second reason: They abandoned Ukraine and did not directly defend it, but were satisfied with condemnation, humanitarian aid, and the economic blockade against Russia, and this is absolutely not enough.
Unfortunately, it is the good Ukrainian people who pay the price of this cold war between Russia and NATO.

[Etranger]

I am of course sympathetic to the Ukrainians and very sad for them, I think most countries of the world do that too, the Ukrainians will resist and this is their right and everyone should help them defend themselves, Putin is guilty and Russia is also guilty of this aggression against an independent sovereign state, but from my point of view the West Guilty also for two reasons:
The first reason is that the West brought Ukraine into this problem when it tried to include Ukraine in NATO, and they know that Russia will not accept that.
The second reason: They abandoned Ukraine and did not directly defend it, but were satisfied with condemnation, humanitarian aid, and the economic blockade against Russia, and this is absolutely not enough.
Unfortunately, it is the good Ukrainian people who pay the price of this cold war between Russia and NATO.

Thank you for your support! I agree with the second reason, and as a Ukrainian citizen I am very angry, that the West Donets help us preventively with more sanctions, more armament and more essential protection. But at the same time I understand, why they done do it. They are afraid of the possibility of the war, which captures other countries in Europe or even the world. So they try not to provoke Putin, because they have no reason to expect his adequate reaction.

To the first reason you claimed I have only one question. What damn right does Russia have to interfere in this issue?

[tvbcof]

Dore and Blumenthal present some info on the real nature of the cluster-fuck in Ukraine.  Pretty much aligns with my understandings prior to the so-called 'war' although it was never a subject I had put more than a casual glance into now and then.  Worth a listen, especially for those prone to toss the term 'Nazi' around without some actual understanding of the issues:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/xdJmlfKyvLXR/

[yhiaali3]

Thank you for your support! I agree with the second reason, and as a Ukrainian citizen I am very angry, that the West Donets help us preventively with more sanctions, more armament and more essential protection. But at the same time I understand, why they done do it. They are afraid of the possibility of the war, which captures other countries in Europe or even the world. So they try not to provoke Putin, because they have no reason to expect his adequate reaction.

To the first reason you claimed I have only one question. What damn right does Russia have to interfere in this issue?

I really appreciate your sadness and anger, you are absolutely right, I did not mean that Russia or Putin has the right to interfere in this issue, no country in the world has the right to interfere in the affairs of other countries, this is the simplest principle in international law, but what I meant is that NATO is due to its approach From Russia through Ukraine gave Putin an opportunity to intervene militarily under the pretext of protecting Russia. This is of course unacceptable and an excuse for military intervention only. That is why I said that the Ukrainian people have fallen victim to this international conflict and that both NATO and Russia are guilty of this unjust war on Ukraine.

[Etranger]

I really appreciate your sadness and anger, you are absolutely right, I did not mean that Russia or Putin has the right to interfere in this issue, no country in the world has the right to interfere in the affairs of other countries, this is the simplest principle in international law, but what I meant is that NATO is due to its approach From Russia through Ukraine gave Putin an opportunity to intervene militarily under the pretext of protecting Russia. This is of course unacceptable and an excuse for military intervention only. That is why I said that the Ukrainian people have fallen victim to this international conflict and that both NATO and Russia are guilty of this unjust war on Ukraine.

Unfortunately, Putin is using any NATO action to interpret it against Ukraine. NATO does not want to take us - of course, who needs us but Russia, only Russia can protect us, so let's make sure that only with Russia we can survive and coexist.

NATO is hinting they might take us - Russia sees this as a complete carte blanche to start a full-scale war, because of course, NATO will immediately give us tons of weapons and start producing nuclear weapons in my country for the sole purpose of erasing Russia from the world map.

To anyone capable of rational thinking, it sounds absurd and even ridiculous if it weren't so sad. However, this is the delusion that has been feeding the Russian people for decades. And they don't see anything at all except what a bunch of inadequate people tell them on TV.

[Tash]

Consider it done and over with, nazis lost once again.  ( Azov = Nazi's = Khazarian Mafia)
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/leaked-gov-t-document-more-than-40-ukraine-territory-captured-by-russian-army-75-of-ukraine-military-destroyed

[Etranger]

Consider it done and over with, nazis lost once again.  ( Azov = Nazi's = Khazarian Mafia)
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/leaked-gov-t-document-more-than-40-ukraine-territory-captured-by-russian-army-75-of-ukraine-military-destroyed

Before publishing such fakes, these "documents" should be checked for grammatical and spelling errors. Those who create such fake content should learn the Ukrainian language. Because for a Ukrainian-speaking person, everything is immediately clear.

[laredo7mm]

I am of course sympathetic to the Ukrainians and very sad for them, I think most countries of the world do that too, the Ukrainians will resist and this is their right and everyone should help them defend themselves, Putin is guilty and Russia is also guilty of this aggression against an independent sovereign state, but from my point of view the West Guilty also for two reasons:
The first reason is that the West brought Ukraine into this problem when it tried to include Ukraine in NATO, and they know that Russia will not accept that.
The second reason: They abandoned Ukraine and did not directly defend it, but were satisfied with condemnation, humanitarian aid, and the economic blockade against Russia, and this is absolutely not enough.
Unfortunately, it is the good Ukrainian people who pay the price of this cold war between Russia and NATO.

Thank you for your support! I agree with the second reason, and as a Ukrainian citizen I am very angry, that the West Donets help us preventively with more sanctions, more armament and more essential protection. But at the same time I understand, why they done do it. They are afraid of the possibility of the war, which captures other countries in Europe or even the world. So they try not to provoke Putin, because they have no reason to expect his adequate reaction.

To the first reason you claimed I have only one question. What damn right does Russia have to interfere in this issue?

You should understand that no superpower wants another superpower at its doorsteps. Do you know what happens in the Cuban missiles crisis? The same thing happens here. Putin is defending from USA and NATO. Look at the condition of Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. Similar things will happen in Ukraine too. The USA provoke Ukraine to create tension to Russia's border and now they abandoned Ukraine. All these were done only for saving the failing USA economy by selling arms. Afgan, Iraq, Syria war have lost their heat so not the USA and their ally create another front in Ukraine. All this is business to USA and NATO. They have no sympathy or love for Ukrainians if they do why don't they send troops?

[bittraffic]

Prolonging the war will be a strategy for Putin while there are funds going to Ukraine, this will give them the advantage to seize the wealth of the country. And at the same time, Russia will be looking to decide the effects of sanctions on thier part and other countries.

The US already expresses they will not send troops to directly fight Russians, I think that's really upsetting for Zelensky. No NATO members yet are also going to directly combat Russia even when they already call out anyone who wants to fight. What strategy is left here but peacetalk, make a deal because I'm sure it's not yet late.

[laredo7mm]

Prolonging the war will be a strategy for Putin while there are funds going to Ukraine, this will give them the advantage to seize the wealth of the country. And at the same time, Russia will be looking to decide the effects of sanctions on thier part and other countries.

The US already expresses they will not send troops to directly fight Russians, I think that's really upsetting for Zelensky. No NATO members yet are also going to directly combat Russia even when they already call out anyone who wants to fight. What strategy is left here but peacetalk, make a deal because I'm sure it's not yet late.

NATO could deny there are no NATO troops in Ukraine but evidence shows something else. There are still 4500 permanent military advisors in Ukraine only from the USA. NATO deployed mercenary troops just like Putin does.

I do not think Putin has any intention to annex Ukraine which shows by the fact that they are trying to avoid civilian casualties. Prolonging the war only cause more damage to Russia's economy and Putin knows that. But his strategy still looks unclear to the west.

[Etranger]

What strategy is left here but peacetalk, make a deal because I'm sure it's not yet late.

It is impossible to have a peacetalt with people who deny the very essence and subject of these negotiations. Demanding Ukraine to lay down its arms, in fact surrender and change its legitimate government to one that suits Russia is not a peace negotiation or an agreement. Moreover, only in the last 8 years it has been possible to observe how Russia "fulfills" the agreements. What is the point of contracts if they are constantly violated?

I do not think Putin has any intention to annex Ukraine which shows by the fact that they are trying to avoid civilian casualties.

Really? They should try better

https://ua.interfax.com.ua/news/general/802748.html
https://globalnews.ca/news/8661361/volunteer-death-kyiv-ukraine/
https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/media-russian-forces-fire-at-civilians-in-irpin-kill-at-least-3-civilians/

Prolonging the war only cause more damage to Russia's economy and Putin knows that. But his strategy still looks unclear to the west.

His strategy is to make Ukraine a part of Russian Empire. Along with Belarus, which is already included.
I am not sure he really cares about Russia`s economy, it is already obvious to everyone that he does not care about his own people. No one imposed sanctions until the open attack on Ukraine. One can already guess that the sanctions were imposed because of this. If he had not pursued his own ambitions, he would have stopped. And he is not stopped even by the poverty of his own people.

[LTU_btc]

NATO could deny there are no NATO troops in Ukraine but evidence shows something else. There are still 4500 permanent military advisors in Ukraine only from the USA. NATO deployed mercenary troops just like Putin does.

I do not think Putin has any intention to annex Ukraine which shows by the fact that they are trying to avoid civilian casualties. Prolonging the war only cause more damage to Russia's economy and Putin knows that. But his strategy still looks unclear to the west.

NATO troops which worked as instructors left Ukraine before war. Now all foreign troops who are in Ukraine arrived there as volunteers, but they're not sent by NATO.
Russia is trying to avoid civilian casualties - let me predict, you heard such bulshit on Russian TV? Maybe in first days of war they were targeting mainly military objects, but now it seems that they're trying to kill more civilians because they didn't expected so much resistance from them. For them it means nothing to open fire at car where family is trying to escape from city.

[Etranger]

NATO troops which worked as instructors left Ukraine before war. Now all foreign troops who are in Ukraine arrived there as volunteers, but they're not sent by NATO.
Russia is trying to avoid civilian casualties - let me predict, you heard such bulshit on Russian TV? Maybe in first days of war they were targeting mainly military objects, but now it seems that they're trying to kill more civilians because they didn't expected so much resistance from them. For them it means nothing to open fire at car where family is trying to escape from city.

Moreover, they attack civilian targets in order to cause the population to panic and create chaos in defense. In order for the population to start begging to stop the war by any means, even if it means complete surrender. But really they did not expect such resistance, especially from civilians.

They are also besieging cities and banning humanitarian convoys from delivering essential goods. Volunteer cars have been fired on more than once. This is another way to make people under siege believe that Ukraine will spit on them and that no one but Russia will help them. That is why they are creating "green corridors" to Russia so that exhausted people can come to their aid, thinking that Ukraine will no longer help them. But these barbarians were wrong here too. Ukrainians are much more confident in themselves and in Ukraine than these mercenaries in their Russia.

[Iron Fist]

There was virtually no expectation that Ukraine's military can withstand a full Russian invasion for more than a few days. But after 12 days of fighting, Ukrainians can say at least one thing with certainty: They will fight. Thus, it is possible that the Ukrainian military will eventually seek to retake some territory from Russian troops, as they did in the weeks after the end of the War in Donbass.

Many experts have, however, suggested that a certain partisan resistance might emerge depending on where and how the attacks take place. This hypothesis makes sense given what we have seen in Ukraine over the past few days. The guerrilla warfare tactic is not necessarily something new for Ukraine, given the country's long history of fighting against a powerful neighbor. Ukraine's resilience is also not entirely a mystery; its history shows that the country has often been forced to combat bigger odds and take on bigger enemies.

[CryptocurencyKing]

Ukraine might be loosing the war with Russians forces pushing further but you can be rest assured that this war would not be over until Ukrainians reclaims there home land. There is nothing more powerful or motivating than fighting for one's right and that's the case of Ukraine and Ukrainians. They've got the consciousness and conviction that, what they are fighting for is there own freedom of which it truly is and as such, they will endure as much as they need to until the war is won in there favour. God be with Ukraine and Ukrainians in this war and its my hope that this peace that is greatly sort out for returns to our world once more.

[Betwrong]

Ukraine might be loosing the war with Russians forces pushing further but you can be rest assured that this war would not be over until Ukrainians reclaims there home land. There is nothing more powerful or motivating than fighting for one's right and that's the case of Ukraine and Ukrainians. They've got the consciousness and conviction that, what they are fighting for is there own freedom of which it truly is and as such, they will endure as much as they need to until the war is won in there favour. God be with Ukraine and Ukrainians in this war and its my hope that this peace that is greatly sort out for returns to our world once more.

We are fighting for our freedom. We don't wan to be a part of russian empire, we want to be a part of the civilized world. That's it.

Thank you guys from all over the world for your support. It means a lot for us here.

[af_newbie]

Ukraine might be loosing the war with Russians forces pushing further but you can be rest assured that this war would not be over until Ukrainians reclaims there home land. There is nothing more powerful or motivating than fighting for one's right and that's the case of Ukraine and Ukrainians. They've got the consciousness and conviction that, what they are fighting for is there own freedom of which it truly is and as such, they will endure as much as they need to until the war is won in there favour. God be with Ukraine and Ukrainians in this war and its my hope that this peace that is greatly sort out for returns to our world once more.

We are fighting for our freedom. We don't wan to be a part of russian empire, we want to be a part of the civilized world. That's it.

Thank you guys from all over the world for your support. It means a lot for us here.

You should fight them no matter what.

Try to kill as many of them as possible, as fast as possible.  Distribute sniper rifles to people all around each city.

Every time they step out of their tank, they should get a 7.62 mm in the head.

[LTU_btc]

Moreover, they attack civilian targets in order to cause the population to panic and create chaos in defense. In order for the population to start begging to stop the war by any means, even if it means complete surrender. But really they did not expect such resistance, especially from civilians.

They are also besieging cities and banning humanitarian convoys from delivering essential goods. Volunteer cars have been fired on more than once. This is another way to make people under siege believe that Ukraine will spit on them and that no one but Russia will help them. That is why they are creating "green corridors" to Russia so that exhausted people can come to their aid, thinking that Ukraine will no longer help them. But these barbarians were wrong here too. Ukrainians are much more confident in themselves and in Ukraine than these mercenaries in their Russia.

They wanted to make blitzkrieg operation and took Ukraine in few days, but when they realized that's impossible, they targeted civilians. And you're right, in such way they trying to achieve complete capitualtion from Ukraine.
And offcourse, they're spreading ugly propaganda that Ukrainian forces is shooting to civilians and that they don't allow to make green coridors.

[Gosgosking]

USA can't really  stop Russia from doing what they feel to do to Ukraine  because the USA knows if they try anything hard or try to fight back Russia they will face the consequences.  The US would not like to involve themselves in anything that will will affect their citizens.  I heard that the Russians have the biggest missile submarine  in the world, the US would like to avoid problems.

[Etranger]

USA can't really  stop Russia from doing what they feel to do to Ukraine  because the USA knows if they try anything hard or try to fight back Russia they will face the consequences.  The US would not like to involve themselves in anything that will will affect their citizens.  I heard that the Russians have the biggest missile submarine  in the world, the US would like to avoid problems.

I understand, though I do not agree, why neither America nor Europe is sending troops to help Ukraine. I can even understand why they do not cover the sky (Putin has already stated that he would regard any such attempt as entering the war). However, I can't understand why we won't be given planes and more air defense systems. Nor can I understand why the UN cannot send peacekeepers to separate the Armed Forces of the warring parties and thus create favorable conditions for diplomatic negotiations to end this conflict. It seems that this organization was created for such events. And now they are doing nothing but expressing "concern".

[af_newbie]

USA can't really  stop Russia from doing what they feel to do to Ukraine  because the USA knows if they try anything hard or try to fight back Russia they will face the consequences.  The US would not like to involve themselves in anything that will will affect their citizens.  I heard that the Russians have the biggest missile submarine  in the world, the US would like to avoid problems.

I understand, though I do not agree, why neither America nor Europe is sending troops to help Ukraine. I can even understand why they do not cover the sky (Putin has already stated that he would regard any such attempt as entering the war). However, I can't understand why we won't be given planes and more air defense systems. Nor can I understand why the UN cannot send peacekeepers to separate the Armed Forces of the warring parties and thus create favorable conditions for diplomatic negotiations to end this conflict. It seems that this organization was created for such events. And now they are doing nothing but expressing "concern".

Hang in there.  Once you kill 50K+, Putin's generals might refuse to continue this fight.

The total enemy losses from 24/02 to 08.02:
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combatants killed - ~12 000
tanks  ‒ 303
combat armored machines / APV ‒ 1036
artillery systems/artillery systems - 120
RSZV / MLRS - 56
PPO / Anti-aircraft warfare systems - 27
aircrafts - 48
helicopters - 80
car equipment / vehicles - 474
ships/boats - 3
tank with PMM / fuel tanks - 60
UAV operational-tactical level - 7

source: https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua

[Smartvirus]

Unfortunately, Putin is using any NATO action to interpret it against Ukraine. NATO does not want to take us - of course, who needs us but Russia, only Russia can protect us, so let's make sure that only with Russia we can survive and coexist.

NATO is hinting they might take us - Russia sees this as a complete carte blanche to start a full-scale war, because of course, NATO will immediately give us tons of weapons and start producing nuclear weapons in my country for the sole purpose of erasing Russia from the world map.

To anyone capable of rational thinking, it sounds absurd and even ridiculous if it weren't so sad. However, this is the delusion that has been feeding the Russian people for decades. And they don't see anything at all except what a bunch of inadequate people tell them on TV.

I am glad even a Ukrainian can understand this whole war this way. The more one tends to follow the issue as it unfolds, the more you tend to get a clear picture why its all going down the way its going. The sad news is, Ukraine seem to have have the one caught in this whole propaganda of NATO and US politics. I saw a phrase somewhere and it states "who wouldn't react or respond should an enemy lin over your neighbours wall and aims a gun at your head ".

The agreement that ensured between NATO and the former Soviet Union which is chiefly Russia was that, NATO won't move an inch close to Russia and somehow, NATO have breached that agreement by sorting further expansion. The sad news is, NATO is a body and not some boundary bounded nation and as such, Russia directed its war towards the supposedly newest member.

I don't in anyway support violence or shading of blood but, words of agreements should be honored. Its our best chance to building a civilised world.  It's my hope that peace do return to both these nations real soon!

[LTU_btc]

I understand, though I do not agree, why neither America nor Europe is sending troops to help Ukraine. I can even understand why they do not cover the sky (Putin has already stated that he would regard any such attempt as entering the war). However, I can't understand why we won't be given planes and more air defense systems. Nor can I understand why the UN cannot send peacekeepers to separate the Armed Forces of the warring parties and thus create favorable conditions for diplomatic negotiations to end this conflict. It seems that this organization was created for such events. And now they are doing nothing but expressing "concern".

Today I read that Poland is going to give 29 their fighter jets to USA and USA is going to give them to Ukraine.
Also, more than 20 000 foreign troops is going to defend Ukraine in International legion. Though, today I read on telegram that there are 40 000 foreign troops, but I don't know how reliable these numbers.
And you're right that these organizations like UN can't do something more than say that they're concerned. OSCE monitoring mission already left Ukraine.

[OgNasty]

I understand, though I do not agree, why neither America nor Europe is sending troops to help Ukraine. I can even understand why they do not cover the sky (Putin has already stated that he would regard any such attempt as entering the war). However, I can't understand why we won't be given planes and more air defense systems. Nor can I understand why the UN cannot send peacekeepers to separate the Armed Forces of the warring parties and thus create favorable conditions for diplomatic negotiations to end this conflict. It seems that this organization was created for such events. And now they are doing nothing but expressing "concern".

Today I read that Poland is going to give 29 their fighter jets to USA and USA is going to give them to Ukraine.
Also, more than 20 000 foreign troops is going to defend Ukraine in International legion. Though, today I read on telegram that there are 40 000 foreign troops, but I don't know how reliable these numbers.
And you're right that these organizations like UN can't do something more than say that they're concerned. OSCE monitoring mission already left Ukraine.

From what I'm reading the politicians don't even know what's going on with those fighter planes.  I don't know if they're acting stupid as to throw off their enemies, or if our government is really this much of a clueless shit show, but I'd prefer to think it's the former.  Unfortunately, decades of watching politicians be clueless leads me to believe that may our government (United States) is really so out of touch and disorganized that they really have no clue what deals they're making and for what...  I wish I had more confidence, but it's almost like the people in charge are purposely doing stupid things to increase prices and put a fire to the feet of the middle class.  I guess too many entrepreneurs are finding success these days and the government needs to put some pain on it's citizens with inflation to bring them back in line of needing to be taken care of.  The next couple of years are going to be a government induced shit show.  Please don't refinance your homes or take on unnecessary debt right now.  Your future self with thank you. 

As for how long Ukraine can survive...  As long as Russia allows them to.  They are clearly outmatched.  It's just a question of how far Russia is willing to go.

[Tash]

Going down the tubes as is
https://youtu.be/h6XvLVAuhgo

[Zanab247]

Ukraine country will survive this war soon because they are fully ready to make peace with Russia despite what Russian soldiers has done to their resources. Since other countries are ready to assist them with food items and other things that can help them to sustain through out the war.
Ukraine will definitely over come this war next year 2023 to enable them to grow their economy that is trying to collapse in this war period. Ukraine president will do everything possible to print more money that will allow the citizens to improve their businesses in the country.

[krishnaverma]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

He should have accepted the defeat. Would have prevented lot of destruction that happened in Ukraine. I know that it is there right to prevent their country but sometimes logical thinking is required.

[bittraffic]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

He should have accepted the defeat. Would have prevented lot of destruction that happened in Ukraine. I know that it is there right to prevent their country but sometimes logical thinking is required.

Russia is a superpower, if they just have the intention of ruining all Ukraine structures, they''d already drop thier biggest bombs and shoot missiles to every hiding place but I think they don't have that intention. According to the news, the Russians are circling Ukraine to cut the supplies that will force them to surrender. It's an old strategy even in medieval times where the city is circled making the city hungry till they lost the courage to fight. If they have a lot of supplies I guess they can last longer.

When I saw the news about British mercenaries dying and some going back to the borders after just a few hours of going inside Ukraine's borders, I could understand the terror he witness.

[Tash]

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When I saw the news about British mercenaries dying and some going back to the borders after just a few hours of going inside Ukraine's borders, I could understand the terror he witness.

An American who fought in Ukraine warns others “Do not go, it’s a trap”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1503737123261800452

Being backstabbed and slaughtered by Ukrainians, lucky to get out alive, next problem at home, fighting for a foreign country.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1504140455302217734

The plan to get other countries involved by having massive dead foreigners, has failed. Some idiots died as canon fodder.

[Etranger]

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When I saw the news about British mercenaries dying and some going back to the borders after just a few hours of going inside Ukraine's borders, I could understand the terror he witness.

An American who fought in Ukraine warns others “Do not go, it’s a trap”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1503737123261800452

Being backstabbed and slaughtered by Ukrainians, lucky to get out alive, next problem at home, fighting for a foreign country.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1504140455302217734

The plan to get other countries involved by having massive dead foreigners, has failed. Some idiots died as canon fodder.

I can`t believe you are still not banned. You are constantly spreading some slag. Does your rotten state even pay you for that? I'm just waiting for the moment when everyone will get annoyed enough of these meaningless, uncontributing posts, and maybe ignoring will finally be a reason for you to shut up.

[Tash]

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When I saw the news about British mercenaries dying and some going back to the borders after just a few hours of going inside Ukraine's borders, I could understand the terror he witness.

An American who fought in Ukraine warns others “Do not go, it’s a trap”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1503737123261800452

Being backstabbed and slaughtered by Ukrainians, lucky to get out alive, next problem at home, fighting for a foreign country.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1504140455302217734

The plan to get other countries involved by having massive dead foreigners, has failed. Some idiots died as canon fodder.

I can`t believe you are still not banned. You are constantly spreading some slag. Does your rotten state even pay you for that? I'm just waiting for the moment when everyone will get annoyed enough of these meaningless, uncontributing posts, and maybe ignoring will finally be a reason for you to shut up.

You always have the option to click the ignore button if you don't like real news or freedom.
And yes I do have opinions, if they are not to your liking i could not care.

[Coyster]

Ukraine country will survive this war soon because they are fully ready to make peace with Russia despite what Russian soldiers has done to their resources.

Peace? Honestly i don't want anything but just peace, so things can go back to normal. But are there actually plans in motion to make peace? I have not seen or heard much about that, from what i can gather, the war is still going on in its full force, to make peace will mean one side will have to surrender, do you think Ukraine are going to do that? I honestly do not know what is going to happen, but i just want a stop to all of this wreckage.

Ukraine president will do everything possible to print more money that will allow the citizens to improve their businesses in the country.

Printing more money eh? Well that could be the only option, but i am pretty sure we all know what the negative effect of that is, as inflation/hyperinflation is being felt almost worldwide right now after there was so much money-printing to fight the covid pandemic. Well Ukraine would not be thinking of that at all right now, they will just want all of this to end, so the rebuilding process can begin, in whichever way possible.

[Tash]

Ukraine country will survive this war soon because they are fully ready to make peace with Russia despite what Russian soldiers has done to their resources.

Peace? Honestly i don't want anything but just peace, so things can go back to normal. But are there actually plans in motion to make peace? I have not seen or heard much about that, from what i can gather, the war is still going on in its full force, to make peace will mean one side will have to surrender, do you think Ukraine are going to do that? I honestly do not know what is going to happen, but i just want a stop to all of this wreckage.

Ukraine president will do everything possible to print more money that will allow the citizens to improve their businesses in the country.

Printing more money eh? Well that could be the only option, but i am pretty sure we all know what the negative effect of that is, as inflation/hyperinflation is being felt almost worldwide right now after there was so much money-printing to fight the covid pandemic. Well Ukraine would not be thinking of that at all right now, they will just want all of this to end, so the rebuilding process can begin, in whichever way possible.

Russia offered it a long time ago with this conditions:


Donetsk, and Luhansk people already decided many times over what they want and they decide and not some corrupt drug addict far far away.

 Ukraine says no longer insisting on NATO membership
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/nod-russia-ukraine-says-no-165955908.html
Exactly what is so bad about a neutral country like switzerland, austria or sweden

[af_newbie]

Ukraine country will survive this war soon because they are fully ready to make peace with Russia despite what Russian soldiers has done to their resources.

Peace? Honestly i don't want anything but just peace, so things can go back to normal. But are there actually plans in motion to make peace? I have not seen or heard much about that, from what i can gather, the war is still going on in its full force, to make peace will mean one side will have to surrender, do you think Ukraine are going to do that? I honestly do not know what is going to happen, but i just want a stop to all of this wreckage.

Ukraine president will do everything possible to print more money that will allow the citizens to improve their businesses in the country.

Printing more money eh? Well that could be the only option, but i am pretty sure we all know what the negative effect of that is, as inflation/hyperinflation is being felt almost worldwide right now after there was so much money-printing to fight the covid pandemic. Well Ukraine would not be thinking of that at all right now, they will just want all of this to end, so the rebuilding process can begin, in whichever way possible.

Russia offered it a long time ago with this conditions:


Donetsk, and Luhansk people already decided many times over what they want and they decide and not some corrupt drug addict far far away.

 Ukraine says no longer insisting on NATO membership
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/nod-russia-ukraine-says-no-165955908.html
Exactly what is so bad about a neutral country like switzerland, austria or sweden

Any contract signed under duress is void.

Remove your army from the territory of Ukraine, then we'll talk.

[Tash]

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Any contract signed under duress is void.

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You mean taxes are illegal?

[Ebede]

Surely Ukraine will last longer because in that country there are many heroes who are ready to sacrifice their lives to fight Russian aggression. And also international support will continue to flow to Ukraine and this is what gives them encouragement!

Really Left with help of international support Russian would have clear everyone in Ukraine, forget their heroes because is not about hero's, the thing that matters is war equipment's like nuclear weapons, like nuclear bomb that can destroy two million people at times, Russian know very well that if the destroy Ukraine more than the way they did u.s can interval and china will also come in to support Russian why u.s is supporting Ukraine

[blackened515]

Surely Ukraine will last longer because in that country there are many heroes who are ready to sacrifice their lives to fight Russian aggression. And also international support will continue to flow to Ukraine and this is what gives them encouragement!

Really Left with help of international support Russian would have clear everyone in Ukraine, forget their heroes because is not about hero's, the thing that matters is war equipment's like nuclear weapons, like nuclear bomb that can destroy two million people at times, Russian know very well that if the destroy Ukraine more than the way they did u.s can interval and china will also come in to support Russian why u.s is supporting Ukraine

Is quite obvious that China will back Russia, If U.S.A decides to send troops to support Ukraine. But, don't you think that might lead to WW3? Although, Ukraine have been more strong that I expected, and they can't be destroyed entirely. Just that Russia don't want the US anywhere closer to them. They sees the NATO as a dangerous Organization. And will do anything within their capacity to ensure Ukraine doesn't join NATO.

[bittraffic]

Surely Ukraine will last longer because in that country there are many heroes who are ready to sacrifice their lives to fight Russian aggression. And also international support will continue to flow to Ukraine and this is what gives them encouragement!

Really Left with help of international support Russian would have clear everyone in Ukraine, forget their heroes because is not about hero's, the thing that matters is war equipment's like nuclear weapons, like nuclear bomb that can destroy two million people at times, Russian know very well that if the destroy Ukraine more than the way they did u.s can interval and china will also come in to support Russian why u.s is supporting Ukraine

Is quite obvious that China will back Russia, If U.S.A decides to send troops to support Ukraine. But, don't you think that might lead to WW3? Although, Ukraine have been more strong that I expected, and they can't be destroyed entirely. Just that Russia don't want the US anywhere closer to them. They sees the NATO as a dangerous Organization. And will do anything within their capacity to ensure Ukraine doesn't join NATO.

It will lead to WWIII if they send troops there. China warns already that instead of sending weapons to Ukraine, go there to send medical aid. That's just it because sending weapons will just make this conflict worse and more people will die. The world already suffers whoever fault is this, doesn't matter anymore when you are in the middle of the battleground.

The main purpose of Putin is the demilitarize Ukraine, they are not there to completely destroy the country. Ukraine is a strategic region for Russia, it's beneficial if they intend to make use of the country for improving economic activity especially because Crimea's coast is a large part of Ukraine.

[LTU_btc]

The main purpose of Putin is the demilitarize Ukraine, they are not there to completely destroy the country. Ukraine is a strategic region for Russia, it's beneficial if they intend to make use of the country for improving economic activity especially because Crimea's coast is a large part of Ukraine.

I haven't read such big nonsense for a while. If they want to ''demilitarize'' Ukraine, why they are targeting civilian objects - aprtment houses, schools, hospitals, theatres, churches and so on? Is it military objects? There was report that 90% of buildings in Mariupol were more or less damaged or destroyed by Russian army. If they will want to use Ukraine as strategic region for their economic, first they will have to spend many billions to rebuild country. And I hope that they will have to spend these billions as war reparations, same as Germany did after WW2.

[af_newbie]

The main purpose of Putin is the demilitarize Ukraine, they are not there to completely destroy the country. Ukraine is a strategic region for Russia, it's beneficial if they intend to make use of the country for improving economic activity especially because Crimea's coast is a large part of Ukraine.

I haven't read such big nonsense for a while. If they want to ''demilitarize'' Ukraine, why they are targeting civilian objects - aprtment houses, schools, hospitals, theatres, churches and so on? Is it military objects? There was report that 90% of buildings in Mariupol were more or less damaged or destroyed by Russian army. If they will want to use Ukraine as strategic region for their economic, first they will have to spend many billions to rebuild country. And I hope that they will have to spend these billions as war reparations, same as Germany did after WW2.

The objective was to convert Ukraine to Russia. Putin is just surprised that there are so many non-Russian Russian speakers in Ukraine, lol.

That is not what he read in his 1800s history textbooks.

He is effectively demilitarizing Russia and its satellite countries, Chechnya, Syria, Armenia, and Belarus.
On top of that, he wants to drag China into his adventure.

[Tash]

At least in Mariupol the fighting is nearing a end, anyone want to go west does so, anyone want to go east does so.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/03/20/russias-mod-outlines-efforts-to-free-mariupol-hostages-from-nazi-fanatics/

Ukraine wants to replace North Korea, dark times for Ukraine ahead
https://www.theepochtimes.com/zelensky-announces-ban-on-11-political-parties_4349682.html?utm_source=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2022-03-20-4&utm_medium=email&est=qCr9FQYOgi0MaZovjSkxJvScosqC5qrGdSTU0tkNovHV0WAv5eGUjBG4%2FZrMtQw%3D

[be.open]

The only way to overcome the Russian military would be a sizeable army and modern weapons, and Ukraine doesn't have that.

And who has? The West has chosen the strategy of economic sanctions because it does not feel it has the strength to directly counter Russia. And this is a wise decision, although ineffective, and also painful for the West itself. After the shameful evacuation from Afghanistan, I think no one in the world perceives NATO as a combat-ready alliance. If the Taliban on donkeys were able to put NATO forces to flight, then what can NATO oppose to Russia's hypersonic missiles, against which the most modern missile defense systems are powerless? The current events in Ukraine are a message to the West - US hegemony is over, there is now a new sheriff in the city.

[freedomgo]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

It's not Zelensky's government only because people are also affected, so the right word to use is "Ukraine ".

I hope they'll survive, but with how aggressive Russia is in pursuing their goal, they will only stop if Ukrain will surrender to Russia and Russia will take over the government.

[Tash]

Blatant admission to war crimes.
https://rumble.com/vxz90v-breaking-ukraine-orders-to-castrate-all-russian-pows-because-they-are-cockr.html

[suchmoon]

delusions

Things must be really bad for Kremlin if you made it to the English boards.

Putin's army is able to "fight" only unarmed civilian population. When met with any kind of strategy and/or weaponry, it turns into cannon fodder. The only advantage it has is quantity but that's slowly changing.

[be.open]

Things must be really bad for Kremlin if you made it to the English boards.

How do you imagine it, Putin called me and said: "be.open tell our version of the truth on the bitcointalk forum, and please be convincing so that everyone believes in the Kremlin's propaganda"?

Putin's army is able to "fight" only unarmed civilian population. When met with any kind of strategy and/or weaponry, it turns into cannon fodder. The only advantage it has is quantity but that's slowly changing.

You are ill-informed, or tend to wishful thinking. Operation "polite people" in the Crimea was carried out without a single shot being fired. Operations in Abkhazia and North Ossetia were also swift and successful. The peacekeeping mission in Syria showed the whole world the power of Russian missile weapons, it seems then that Russia tested its "Caliber" missiles in combat conditions. The recent defeat of a fortified underground armory near the border with the Polish "Kinzhal" hypersonic missile was also very spectacular and, most importantly, effective. NATO countries have no analogues of such missiles and will not have them in the foreseeable future.

During any military operation, collateral casualties among the civilian population are inevitable. Especially when Ukrainian ultra-right nationalists hide behind civilians as a shield and set up firing points in residential areas. Losses among the civilian population could have been much greater if Russia had not taken care of minimizing them.

[suchmoon]

You are ill-informed, or tend to wishful thinking. Operation "polite people" in the Crimea was carried out without a single shot being fired. Operations in Abkhazia and North Ossetia were also swift and successful. The peacekeeping mission in Syria showed the whole world the power of Russian missile weapons, it seems then that Russia tested its "Caliber" missiles in combat conditions. The recent defeat of a fortified underground armory near the border with the Polish "Kinzhal" hypersonic missile was also very spectacular and, most importantly, effective. NATO countries have no analogues of such missiles and will not have them in the foreseeable future.

And yet this amazingly powerful hypersonic military force is stuck in the mud and getting smoked with rotten capitalist Javelins. How many missiles does Russia make per day? I bet it's less than they launch.

During any military operation, collateral casualties among the civilian population are inevitable. Especially when Ukrainian ultra-right nationalists hide behind civilians as a shield and set up firing points in residential areas. Losses among the civilian population could have been much greater if Russia had not taken care of minimizing them.

Just like they "minimized" Grozny to a pile of rubble. As I said, that's the only "winning" strategy they have when the population doesn't want to be "liberated".

[Tash]

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his amazingly powerful hypersonic military force is stuck in the mud and getting smoked with rotten capitalist Javelins. How many missiles does Russia make per day? I bet it's less than they launch.

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Don't know where you reside but damn been cold in recend weeks and ground still forzen, you know winter and such...

[be.open]

And yet this amazingly powerful hypersonic military force is stuck in the mud and getting smoked with rotten capitalist Javelins. How many missiles does Russia make per day? I bet it's less than they launch.

I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile was recently successfully field-tested to demonstrate the capabilities of modern Russian weapons. And I think that the Pentagon's generals correctly interpreted this message (and it's not hypersonic missiles that European generals need to worry about, if an old Soviet reconnaissance drone launched from Ukrainian territory flew unhindered through several European countries and self-destructed). There is no good reason to fire cannons at sparrows in normal mode, so they mainly use proven reliable weapons and ammunition with an expiring shelf life, which are more expensive to dispose of than to use for their intended purpose.

Just like they "minimized" Grozny to a pile of rubble. As I said, that's the only "winning" strategy they have when the population doesn't want to be "liberated".

These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something. Ukrainian soldiers can lay down their arms at any moment and go home. Donbass and Lugansk asked Russia for help and they will receive it in full.

[suchmoon]

I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile blah blah blah

Again, shelling civilians is hardly a defining or desirable attribute of a military victory. The question now is whether Putin has enough missiles to level Ukraine and kill every Ukrainian.

These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something.

Of course. Putinists wouldn't know democracy if it hit them in the ass (with a Javelin).

Don't know where you reside but damn been cold in recend weeks and ground still forzen, you know winter and such...

That's exactly the military strategy I'm talking about. The ground must be frozen in Ukraine because it's frozen in Murmansk.... oops.

[af_newbie]

And yet this amazingly powerful hypersonic military force is stuck in the mud and getting smoked with rotten capitalist Javelins. How many missiles does Russia make per day? I bet it's less than they launch.

I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile was recently successfully field-tested to demonstrate the capabilities of modern Russian weapons. And I think that the Pentagon's generals correctly interpreted this message (and it's not hypersonic missiles that European generals need to worry about, if an old Soviet reconnaissance drone launched from Ukrainian territory flew unhindered through several European countries and self-destructed). There is no good reason to fire cannons at sparrows in normal mode, so they mainly use proven reliable weapons and ammunition with an expiring shelf life, which are more expensive to dispose of than to use for their intended purpose.

Just like they "minimized" Grozny to a pile of rubble. As I said, that's the only "winning" strategy they have when the population doesn't want to be "liberated".

These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something. Ukrainian soldiers can lay down their arms at any moment and go home. Donbass and Lugansk asked Russia for help and they will receive it in full.

You really don't know what is actually happening in Donbas. Right now, RUSSIANS are taking young men at gunpoint from the streets
(literally) and enlisting them in the RUSSIAN army, and sending them off to the front line to use them as cannon fodder.  They are used to
locate Ukrainian army positions. Independent republics my ass.

The population of Crimea, Donbas, and Luhansk have been terrorized by Russian gangs and the regular military for 8 years.

Right now, and probably never, the Russian army does not have any strategy. The only 'strategy' is to level everything and drive-in, rape, and plunder. Kill unarmed civilians.
 
They don't know how to fight, that is why they are losing big time in this conflict.

The way they are equipped looks like they were teletransported from WWII.
It looks like this was done on purpose so that Putin can re-live his denazification WWII movie.

We all know the answer: rampant corruption in the Russian army.

[be.open]

I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile blah blah blah

Again, shelling civilians is hardly a defining or desirable attribute of a military victory. The question now is whether Putin has enough missiles to level Ukraine and kill every Ukrainian.

These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something.

Of course. Putinists wouldn't know democracy if it hit them in the ass (with a Javelin).

Without control over airspace, the Ukrainian army is doomed to defeat, with or without Javelins. And NATO prudently refused to close the airspace. I do not think that the Ukrainians are so stupid as to fight to the last Ukrainian without a chance of success.

[af_newbie]

I see you are far from understanding such things. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile blah blah blah

Again, shelling civilians is hardly a defining or desirable attribute of a military victory. The question now is whether Putin has enough missiles to level Ukraine and kill every Ukrainian.

These are not democratic elections, when the population is asked about something.

Of course. Putinists wouldn't know democracy if it hit them in the ass (with a Javelin).

Without control over airspace, the Ukrainian army is doomed to defeat, with or without Javelins. And NATO prudently refused to close the airspace. I do not think that the Ukrainians are so stupid as to fight to the last Ukrainian without a chance of success.

They do not have a choice, and they will fight to the last grandmother with a jar of pickles.

[be.open]

They do not have a choice, and they will fight to the last grandmother with a jar of pickles.

Only far-right nationalists with swastika tattoos have no choice.

[af_newbie]

They do not have a choice, and they will fight to the last grandmother with a jar of pickles.

Only far-right nationalists with swastika tattoos have no choice.

Ok, now, I know you do not understand who is actually fighting in this conflict. Put down the Soviet kool-aid.

[be.open]

They do not have a choice, and they will fight to the last grandmother with a jar of pickles.

Only far-right nationalists with swastika tattoos have no choice.

Ok, now, I know you do not understand who is actually fighting in this conflict. Put down the Soviet kool-aid.

Any civilian or unarmed Ukrainian soldier can leave the combat zone through humanitarian corridors. They are more likely to be shot in the back by Azov nationalists than to be killed by regular Russian army soldiers.

[Etranger]

Any civilian or unarmed Ukrainian soldier can leave the combat zone through humanitarian corridors. They are more likely to be shot in the back by Azov nationalists than to be killed by regular Russian army soldiers.

You meant, russian invadors, killers and vandals. Because if you consider this waste as your army, you can immediately draw parallels to who you are considered to be.

https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/sbu-russian-troops-near-kharkiv-were-ordered-to-shoot-civilians/
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-open-fire-bread-line-killing-10-reports-2022-3?r=US&IR=T
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/ukraine-irpin-civilian-death.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-forces-kill-civilians-loot-for-supplies-in-occupied-ukraine-residents-say-11647267560
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/16/drone-footage-appears-show-russian-soldiers-shooting-civilian/

[suchmoon]

Without control over airspace, the Ukrainian army is doomed to defeat, with or without Javelins. And NATO prudently refused to close the airspace. I do not think that the Ukrainians are so stupid as to fight to the last Ukrainian without a chance of success.

No, the Ukrainians are not stupid to believe that any kind of surrender to Putin would be better than fighting. This isn't about "the Ukrainian army" anymore. To defeat Ukraine it would take a genocide that'd make Stalin blush. Putin would have to kill and deport millions of Ukrainians. Can he do it before his economy collapses? While making new missiles (and airplanes, and pilots, etc) faster than he loses them?

[be.open]

Any civilian or unarmed Ukrainian soldier can leave the combat zone through humanitarian corridors. They are more likely to be shot in the back by Azov nationalists than to be killed by regular Russian army soldiers.

You meant, russian invadors, killers and vandals. Because if you consider this waste as your army, you can immediately draw parallels to who you are considered to be.

https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/sbu-russian-troops-near-kharkiv-were-ordered-to-shoot-civilians/
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-open-fire-bread-line-killing-10-reports-2022-3?r=US&IR=T
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/ukraine-irpin-civilian-death.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-forces-kill-civilians-loot-for-supplies-in-occupied-ukraine-residents-say-11647267560
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/16/drone-footage-appears-show-russian-soldiers-shooting-civilian/

Now there are a lot of fakes in the media, Russia is not very experienced in the information war. This is probably why Putin calls the West the "Empire of Lies". The Russians are generally not too concerned about how it all looks from the outside. Probably at the end of the last century, Sprite's advertisements with the slogan "image is nothing, thirst is everything" were played on TV too often.  

No, the Ukrainians are not stupid to believe that any kind of surrender to Putin would be better than fighting. This isn't about "the Ukrainian army" anymore. To defeat Ukraine it would take a genocide that'd make Stalin blush. Putin would have to kill and deport millions of Ukrainians. Can he do it before his economy collapses? While making new missiles (and airplanes, and pilots, etc) faster than he loses them?

There is no goal to defeat Ukraine, only demilitarization and cleansing from Nazism.

[Etranger]

Any civilian or unarmed Ukrainian soldier can leave the combat zone through humanitarian corridors. They are more likely to be shot in the back by Azov nationalists than to be killed by regular Russian army soldiers.

You meant, russian invadors, killers and vandals. Because if you consider this waste as your army, you can immediately draw parallels to who you are considered to be.

https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/sbu-russian-troops-near-kharkiv-were-ordered-to-shoot-civilians/
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-open-fire-bread-line-killing-10-reports-2022-3?r=US&IR=T
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/ukraine-irpin-civilian-death.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-forces-kill-civilians-loot-for-supplies-in-occupied-ukraine-residents-say-11647267560
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/16/drone-footage-appears-show-russian-soldiers-shooting-civilian/

Now there are a lot of fakes in the media, Russia is not very experienced in the information war. This is probably why Putin calls the West the "Empire of Lies". The Russians are generally not too concerned about how it all looks from the outside. Probably at the end of the last century, Sprite's advertisements with the slogan "image is nothing, thirst is everything" were played on TV too often.  

Yes, so inexperienced that it has been waging this war since the beginning of the Soviet Union. It wages this war primarily against its own population, which wants to be led as sheep so much that it prefers not to notice anything that does not fit into their propaganda worldview. russians don't really care how it all looks from the outside? Well, now they have less and less chance of finding out if their eyes do start to open. You are digging yourself deeper every day. And the rest of the world will try very hard to make sure you don't find your way back.

[be.open]

Yes, so inexperienced that it has been waging this war since the beginning of the Soviet Union. It wages this war primarily against its own population, which wants to be led as sheep so much that it prefers not to notice anything that does not fit into their propaganda worldview. russians don't really care how it all looks from the outside? Well, now they have less and less chance of finding out if their eyes do start to open. You are digging yourself deeper every day. And the rest of the world will try very hard to make sure you don't find your way back.

I am very sorry that you have to suffer because of your clown president's inability to negotiate acceptable surrender terms. But do not shift from a sick head to a healthy one, you yourself chose him.

[suchmoon]

Now there are a lot of fakes in the media

Yep, like this idiot here regurgitating Russian state media lies:

There is no goal to defeat Ukraine, only demilitarization and cleansing from Nazism.

It doesn't matter what you call it. Putin's snowflake dictionary has no meaning outside of his propaganda machine. He started a war that he's increasingly unlikely to win and you'll be lucky if he doesn't completely destroy Russia's economy in the process.

[be.open]

Now there are a lot of fakes in the media

Yep, like this idiot here regurgitating Russian state media lies:

There is no goal to defeat Ukraine, only demilitarization and cleansing from Nazism.

It doesn't matter what you call it. Putin's snowflake dictionary has no meaning outside of his propaganda machine. He started a war that he's increasingly unlikely to win and you'll be lucky if he doesn't completely destroy Russia's economy in the process.

What you say about me does not characterize me, but you. Russia is the richest country in the world in terms of resources, so your concern about the state of our economy is completely in vain. Western sanctions hurt the West itself, as well as that part of the Russians who are already against Putin. Think about it at your leisure - has the West chosen an effective strategy to punish Putin, if in fact he is punishing himself in the first place?

ps For me, political conversations are enough for today, with your permission, I will go and have dinner with vodka, and then I need to walk my bear.

[suchmoon]

What you say about me does not characterize me, but you. Russia is the richest country in the world in terms of resources, so your concern about the state of our economy is completely in vain. Western sanctions hurt the West itself, as well as that part of the Russians who are already against Putin. Think about it at your leisure - has the West chosen an effective strategy to punish Putin, if in fact he is punishing himself in the first place?

Has the richest country figured out yet how to make anything from those resources or are you still flying in evil EU Airbuses and driving 1960s FIATs?

"The West" will have some short-term pain for sure. Putinland however will be fucked for a long time and every day of war digs the hole deeper.

[be.open]

What you say about me does not characterize me, but you. Russia is the richest country in the world in terms of resources, so your concern about the state of our economy is completely in vain. Western sanctions hurt the West itself, as well as that part of the Russians who are already against Putin. Think about it at your leisure - has the West chosen an effective strategy to punish Putin, if in fact he is punishing himself in the first place?

Has the richest country figured out yet how to make anything from those resources or are you still flying in evil EU Airbuses and driving 1960s FIATs?

"The West" will have some short-term pain for sure. Putinland however will be fucked for a long time and every day of war digs the hole deeper.

Apparently the Russians will have to fly a Sukhoi superjet and drive Chinese cars. Has the West already figured out what it will do WITHOUT Russian resources? Without heavy oil, all refineries in the US and Europe will not be able to operate normally. And they cannot be reconfigured only for light oil, only completely demolished and rebuilt. Therefore, Biden is forced to bow to Venezuela and Iran, except for Russia, only they have heavy oil. Iran's response came in the form of a missile attack on Iraq, perilously close to the US consulate, and probably means "no" to Biden. Venezuela will probably be more accommodating, although of course it will demand in return to remove all sanctions and recognize the legitimacy of Maduro. But there is a nuance, Maduro is a pro-Russian president, and Venezuelan oil is pumped by the Russian Rosneft. When you buy oil from Venezuela, you buy it from Russia to clear things up. All the heavy oil in the world is controlled by Russia, as it happened.

You can treat Putin differently, but he is a very strong geopolitical strategist.

[Etranger]

Russia is the richest country in the world in terms of resources, so your concern about the state of our economy is completely in vain.

Only the hands of the people who populate this unfortunate country are growing out of their asses, and therefore all hope is only for resources. It's good that resources have the property of being exhaustible. For more than a KAMAZ, another destructive deathly weapon and programs for hacking other people's data you don`t have enough brain. So maybe it still says more about you?

Western sanctions hurt the West itself, as well as that part of the Russians who are already against Putin. Think about it at your leisure - has the West chosen an effective strategy to punish Putin, if in fact he is punishing himself in the first place?

The West is losing, it's true, but it still took such a step to stop your wild yoke. Your argument that you will not be stopped because they will lose also, speaks only of your immorality and total stupidity, which you are proud of. The whole world unites against you, a world full of divisions and diversity. But in the face of such a threat as the great fucking russia, the whole world decided to join forces. And you believe that all 7 billion people are lying, and they are lying systematically and similarly, people who do not agree on very many issues, but decided together for some reason to lie to you. Have you ever heard of logic? Is it really impossible to think that it is more likely that they are lying to you in your fucking country and that you are lying to yourself?

Has the West already figured out what it will do WITHOUT Russian resources? Without heavy oil, all refineries in the US and Europe will not be able to operate normally.

You are like a whore who sells an already emaciated body because there is nothing more to offer. Are you so sure that the world needs your resources? Are you so sure that everything depends on monetary gain? Don't make everyone equal by yourself. You do not know how to negotiate, you do not want to learn this, you only blackmail, steal, and with all of this you are proud of your "greatness". What is your greatness? The whole world hates you. And okay, hatred, they feel disgust and contempt for you. Do you really choose to boast of your resources, knowing about such an attitude towards you? Don't you think it would be worth doing something about it, and not yell at the top of your voice that everyone will die without you?

[be.open]

Russia is the richest country in the world in terms of resources, so your concern about the state of our economy is completely in vain.

Only the hands of the people who populate this unfortunate country are growing out of their asses, and therefore all hope is only for resources. It's good that resources have the property of being exhaustible. For more than a KAMAZ, another destructive deathly weapon and programs for hacking other people's data you don`t have enough brain. So maybe it still says more about you?

Western sanctions hurt the West itself, as well as that part of the Russians who are already against Putin. Think about it at your leisure - has the West chosen an effective strategy to punish Putin, if in fact he is punishing himself in the first place?

The West is losing, it's true, but it still took such a step to stop your wild yoke. Your argument that you will not be stopped because they will lose also, speaks only of your immorality and total stupidity, which you are proud of. The whole world unites against you, a world full of divisions and diversity. But in the face of such a threat as the great fucking russia, the whole world decided to join forces. And you believe that all 7 billion people are lying, and they are lying systematically and similarly, people who do not agree on very many issues, but decided together for some reason to lie to you. Have you ever heard of logic? Is it really impossible to think that it is more likely that they are lying to you in your fucking country and that you are lying to yourself?

Has the West already figured out what it will do WITHOUT Russian resources? Without heavy oil, all refineries in the US and Europe will not be able to operate normally.

You are like a whore who sells an already emaciated body because there is nothing more to offer. Are you so sure that the world needs your resources? Are you so sure that everything depends on monetary gain? Don't make everyone equal by yourself. You do not know how to negotiate, you do not want to learn this, you only blackmail, steal, and with all of this you are proud of your "greatness". What is your greatness? The whole world hates you. And okay, hatred, they feel disgust and contempt for you. Do you really choose to boast of your resources, knowing about such an attitude towards you? Don't you think it would be worth doing something about it, and not yell at the top of your voice that everyone will die without you?

Madam, please stop the tantrum, my tone is quite calm. The "whole world" that hates Russia is just the USA and its lap dogs. South America, Africa and Eurasia (minus Western Europe) do not join the sanctions against Russia. In Western Europe, too, there are disagreements on this issue. This is a confrontation between the "golden billion" against the remaining seven billion, and you are not even in the majority to raise your voice against Russia. So shut the fuck up, please, or at least be more polite. You are not in a position to dictate your terms to Russia.

[suchmoon]

Apparently the Russians will have to fly a Sukhoi superjet

Correction - half a jet, i.e. the half that's not made of foreign components. But that's ok, you'll still have Soviet-era trains when the Siemens-made ones stop running.

[be.open]

Apparently the Russians will have to fly a Sukhoi superjet

Correction - half a jet, i.e. the half that's not made of foreign components. But that's ok, you'll still have Soviet-era trains when the Siemens-made ones stop running.

There is also a medium-haul narrow-body airliner MS-21 by the "Irkut" corporation, an approximate analogue of the Boeing 737. It is really not easy to quickly replace all Boeings and Airbuses with domestic aircraft, but nature does not tolerate emptiness and the place vacated on the market after the departure of Boeing and Airbus will not be free for long. Western economic sanctions may cause Russia some discomfort, but Russia secured all strategically important areas from sanctions pressure in 2014, after the annexation of Crimea.

[Tash]

JPM Trading Desk Hints Zelensky Close To "Capitulation"
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/jpm-trading-desk-asks-if-zelensky-close-capitulation

[af_newbie]

JPM Trading Desk Hints Zelensky Close To "Capitulation"
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/jpm-trading-desk-asks-if-zelensky-close-capitulation

Makariv recaptured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKWKDyDKGzw

[suchmoon]

Makariv recaptured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKWKDyDKGzw

Ouch, that's gonna put a dent in the plan to surround Kyiv.

But no worries, Russian people will take a break from standing in lines for sugar and will instead donate supplies to keep the war going:

Local officials in Russia's Belgorod region bordering Ukraine have set up collection points where citizens can drop off donations of socks, medicine and tinned food for Russian troops fighting in Ukraine, according to messages from the officials seen by Reuters.

World's best army, eh Kremlinbots?

[be.open]

Ouch, that's gonna put a dent in the plan to surround Kyiv.

Kyiv has been surrounded by Russian troops on three sides for more than two weeks. The southern direction remains open to allow the maximum number of residents to leave the city, in order to minimize civilian losses during the assault on the city. What Putin really got wrong in my opinion is that he hardly expected that the Ukrainian military would use civilians as human shields. In the practice of warfare, this is regarded as a war crime.

I call on all civilians of the Kyiv to leave the city as soon as possible, while there is such an opportunity. The exit through the humanitarian corridor will be fraught with additional risks, and you may have to go through a search for Nazi tattoos on the body, bruises on the shoulder from the belt of the machine gun, calluses on the finger from the trigger, and through a detector for the presence of traces of explosives and powder gases on the skin. This standard procedure may not seem like the most pleasant experience of your life.

[Tash]

JPM Trading Desk Hints Zelensky Close To "Capitulation"
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/jpm-trading-desk-asks-if-zelensky-close-capitulation

Makariv recaptured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKWKDyDKGzw

To you have any news when Makariv was captured?

Convoy moves through Kharkiv region
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlS8XWEhZdM

And people donate for Ukraine, crazy world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAs_ftqJAOo

[suchmoon]

There is also a medium-haul narrow-body airliner MS-21

"is" is too generous for an airplane that hasn't even been produced in any kind of volume and has the same problem as the SSJ - vital foreign components.

Meanwhile in the real world:

https://topspb.tv/news/2022/03/22/s7-planiruet-ispolzovat-samolyoty-il-86-i-il-96/

That's the future, back to the USSR, which Putin likes so much.

[be.open]

There is also a medium-haul narrow-body airliner MS-21

"is" is too generous for an airplane that hasn't even been produced in any kind of volume and has the same problem as the SSJ - vital foreign components.

This is not true, the MS-21-310 modification is equipped with the Russian PD-14 engine, which is produced at the UEC-Perm Motors plant. This is the first domestic aircraft engine for civil aviation after the collapse of the USSR. Only four countries in the world make aircraft engines for civil aviation, and Russia is also in this club. The problem with bringing domestic components to 100% is that this market is dominated by Boeing and Airbus, but after the imposition of sanctions, they eliminated themselves, so now this is not a problem.  

In fact, a much bigger problem is the sanctions from ASML, a manufacturer of lithographic equipment. Without this equipment, it is difficult to develop domestic microelectronics, regardless of the amount of cash injections into this area. Here, Russia may fall into a strategically disadvantageous dependence on China, which has achieved significant success in its import substitution, although it seems that ASML equipment is not available in China either. It is definitely in Taiwan, but that's a completely different story.

[Tash]

Larry C. Johnson: "The Ukrainian Army Has Been Defeated. What's Left Is Mop-Up"
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/larry-c-johnson-the-ukrainian-army-has-been-defeated-whats-left-is-mop-up/

[be.open]

Meanwhile in the real world

Easy, illusions don't interest me. Curiously, you are more concerned with what kind of planes the Russians will fly than what you will eat. While valiant Ukrainian soldiers are inflicting untold losses on Putin's army (according to Ukrainian propaganda), the disruption of the sowing campaign in Ukraine has already taken place. And Ukraine is the breadbasket of all of Europe (was).

[Tash]

Center of Donetsk hit with cluster bomb, lots of civilian dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
https://web.archive.org/web/20220323134000/https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=ANNhDKGjNK8
https://tinyurl.com/2p894cze

[suchmoon]

Meanwhile in the real world

Easy, illusions don't interest me. Curiously, you are more concerned with what kind of planes the Russians will fly than what you will eat. While valiant Ukrainian soldiers are inflicting untold losses on Putin's army (according to Ukrainian propaganda), the disruption of the sowing campaign in Ukraine has already taken place. And Ukraine is the breadbasket of all of Europe (was).

LOL, you're right, flying is going to be the least of Russia's concerns. It's just one of many examples for how fucked Putin is. He had to steal foreign-leased airplanes, otherwise he'd have nothing.

How about sugar, figured that one out yet? Paper? Everything else that goes 2x up in price and/or disappears, including things that are supposedly made in Russia? Looks like someone didn't think through the whole "invade another country and fingers crossed for no sanctions" plan.

[af_newbie]

Meanwhile in the real world

Easy, illusions don't interest me. Curiously, you are more concerned with what kind of planes the Russians will fly than what you will eat. While valiant Ukrainian soldiers are inflicting untold losses on Putin's army (according to Ukrainian propaganda), the disruption of the sowing campaign in Ukraine has already taken place. And Ukraine is the breadbasket of all of Europe (was).

LOL, you're right, flying is going to be the least of Russia's concerns. It's just one of many examples for how fucked Putin is. He had to steal foreign-leased airplanes, otherwise he'd have nothing.

How about sugar, figured that one out yet? Paper? Everything else that goes 2x up in price and/or disappears, including things that are supposedly made in Russia? Looks like someone didn't think through the whole "invade another country and fingers crossed for no sanctions" plan.

All according to the 'plan'. 'Special operation' to turn Russia into the Soviet Union, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vS6NJASrGI

'Spetsoperatsya' my ass. Everything is 'po plan-oo', lol.

[Zlantann]

Except NATO accept the plea of Zelensky to impose a no fly zone over Ukraine, then Ukraine would fall in less than one month from today. The air is Russia's strength and Ukraine's weakness. Ukraine would chase back Russian soldiers back to Moscow without the air force.
Also, until NATO gives a directive or places a redline on the use of chemical weapon, Russia will use it once they start loosing grounds and Ukraine would crumble.

[Mr.Scott]

February 24 2022 – ongoing. Several peach talks have been held, but no particular decision has been reached as of February 24.

One man's rule is entirely responsible for the immense suffering in Ukraine. After more than three weeks of fighting, Russia has made only marginal gains and is increasingly targeting civilians. All major international organizations have called for an end to the fighting. The situation is becoming increasingly tense. Mariupol, the Ukrainian port, is about to fall under Russian bombardment. It is morally wrong to continue the war in Ukraine. The battlefield will inevitably give way to the peace table sooner or later. Could Ukraine survive that long? That is the big question mark as they are not so willing to surrender.

[be.open]

Meanwhile in the real world

Easy, illusions don't interest me. Curiously, you are more concerned with what kind of planes the Russians will fly than what you will eat. While valiant Ukrainian soldiers are inflicting untold losses on Putin's army (according to Ukrainian propaganda), the disruption of the sowing campaign in Ukraine has already taken place. And Ukraine is the breadbasket of all of Europe (was).

LOL, you're right, flying is going to be the least of Russia's concerns. It's just one of many examples for how fucked Putin is. He had to steal foreign-leased airplanes, otherwise he'd have nothing.

How about sugar, figured that one out yet? Paper? Everything else that goes 2x up in price and/or disappears, including things that are supposedly made in Russia? Looks like someone didn't think through the whole "invade another country and fingers crossed for no sanctions" plan.

Paper, sugar.. How about gas for rubles? 

[Etranger]

Meanwhile in the real world

Easy, illusions don't interest me. Curiously, you are more concerned with what kind of planes the Russians will fly than what you will eat. While valiant Ukrainian soldiers are inflicting untold losses on Putin's army (according to Ukrainian propaganda), the disruption of the sowing campaign in Ukraine has already taken place. And Ukraine is the breadbasket of all of Europe (was).

LOL, you're right, flying is going to be the least of Russia's concerns. It's just one of many examples for how fucked Putin is. He had to steal foreign-leased airplanes, otherwise he'd have nothing.

How about sugar, figured that one out yet? Paper? Everything else that goes 2x up in price and/or disappears, including things that are supposedly made in Russia? Looks like someone didn't think through the whole "invade another country and fingers crossed for no sanctions" plan.

@suchmoon I am really sorry you have to argue with this bots with washed brain. Even your fantastic sarcasm can`t help in this situation. It seems to me that this people have a a list of progressive blunt responses to every rational argument heard from people who are not part of their rotten society. I tried to find some of the most obvious evidence, something indisputable, with which they would agree, and to make them think at least a little. But they can only write such rubbish

Paper, sugar.. How about gas for rubles? 

[be.open]

But they can only write such rubbish

Paper, sugar.. How about gas for rubles?  

This is not rubbish, but a direct challenge to Russia throughout the global financial system as part of the first response to the economic sanctions imposed by the West.

Europe will buy gas for rubles, try to think about this thought slowly for a deeper understanding of the meaning of what is happening.

[Franctoshi]

Base on what's on ground so far, you could see they're already loosing ground and if the demands already made by the Ukrainian president Zalensky to Nato to close the sky and if necessary measures are not taken to Cushion the effect they're suffering right now, I think I see they could not survive any further because Russia is fully prepared for this invasion and I'm not seeing any signs for Russia to giving up right now , rather they can even go extent by using biological or Nuclear weapon in order to make sure they win this war when looking at Putin's statements.

[tvbcof]

...
While valiant Ukrainian soldiers are inflicting untold losses on Putin's army (according to Ukrainian propaganda), the disruption of the sowing campaign in Ukraine has already taken place.  ...

The Rooshin Black Sea fleet was sunk (by the Western and Ukrainian 'news' media) a few weeks ago.  Unfortunately the fleet was re-floated fairly quickly and back in action:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/fz9HGkmDWZCU/

The Kalibr is only a cruise missile but it looks pretty bad-ass in initial use.  Supposedly these are on their way to take out the wannabe mercenary idjuts who bought the Western media garbage and rushed over the Ukraine before Russia was beaten completely.  Not the sea-launched ones as above.

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/FWCHrzkzkRzE/

Supposedly the above was on it's way to here:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/bu6pG7qydwwh/

Dude probably spent half a year shooting farmers in Afghanistan and thought he was some big-time warrior.  Also probably believed the BS about the Rooshins having shot their wad and sprinting back across the border.  That's a good example of learning some things the hard way.

[Lubcub62]

my eyes are on the president of ukraine. how long will it last?
because from my point of view putin is not targeting ukraine citizens but more towards its leaders.
Putin sees a threat in the future if Ukraine continues to be led by the current president.
because as the news circulated. Ukraine's president prefers and sided with arch-enemy Russia. whereas ukraine originated and was in russia in the first place.

if putin allows that then he feels like he is letting the opponent eat away at his country from within. and can spread more widely.

but I do not know the reality on the ground.

if you become a leader and you are ordered to abdicate. If you don't go down, your people will suffer. if you go down then the torment of your people will stop.
Which one do you choose?
then look at the facts now! .
let the citizens who are not trained to fight are allowed to confront the opposing forces. is that something wise?

but I hope these two countries return to peace.

Cause i dont know who is wrong on this war.

[Tash]

Rumors already start to flow how to best carve up Ukraine. Poland may get some of it's lands back. Romania wants some for the Moldova loss. Hungary / EU want say no to some nice farmland, all together they may end up with a bigger land area than Donbas.
If Ukraine gets really stupid they may end up given some to Rus speaking rus land to Belarus as well.
When you loose they will come and shred you to pieces, the penalty of war.

[be.open]

Poland may get some of it's lands back.

I think with a probability of 90% Poland will try to squeeze out the Lviv region. They have a national idea "from sea to sea" there that constantly itches, but here is such an opportunity.

[af_newbie]

Poland may get some of it's lands back.

I think with a probability of 90% Poland will try to squeeze out the Lviv region. They have a national idea "from sea to sea" there that constantly itches, but here is such an opportunity.

You guys live in the Lala land of kings, tsars, and autocrats.

What is going to happen after this war is over:

- Russia will be isolated and will turn into the Soviet Union by nationalizing its industries
- Ukraine will recover all occupied territories
- Belarus dictatorship will fall and Belarus will become a progressive social democracy
- Eastern and Baltic countries might form closer military and economic ties

So there might be a Polish-Ukrainian-Belorussian-Lithuanian-Estonian commonwealth, but it will never be a Polish kingdom as you are implying.

Poland is a social democracy, not a Mongol empire like Russia, it would never impose its will on other countries.

Imperialism is dead. Get over it.

[tvbcof]

Poland may get some of it's lands back.

I think with a probability of 90% Poland will try to squeeze out the Lviv region. They have a national idea "from sea to sea" there that constantly itches, but here is such an opportunity.

I doubt that Russia has any intention of touching the Lviv region (except once in a while with a missile in extraordinary circumstances.)  I'll bet that Russia pushes all of the undesirables from the parts of the country which are important to that area as was/is the case with Idlib and the so-called 'isis'.  These spawn of the CIA will live on as a painful canker sore which hurts Poland and the West much more than it does Russia and it's client/aligned states/regions (e.g., Donbass.)

Although I never really expected that Russia would try to clean up all of the country, I didn't think of this nifty little trick initially.  It's lifted from The Duran musings of a few weeks ago (credit where credit is due), but it makes a lot of sense and through the fog seems to not be being dis-proven by what observations can be made.

While I think that the analysis that the West wants to bog down Russia in a Vietnam style tar-baby may (or may not) have some legs, I would doubt that Russia would fall for something that simple.  If they could push the infection to a desirable part of the country (the Western part) then cauterize the new boarder, they would get their buffer zone, a reasonable amount or resources in an aligned state, and avoid the tar-baby.

[Spontaneous]

  The people of Ukraine now are very pity specially children I've seen there faces very scared and frightened in every bomb explode can create a traumatic and war shock of them.
   No choosing what country I'm in but in my case hoping that they will united and get back their friendship again. After many videos I've seen in social media update of this war more tears drown in my faces. That's why I'm praying also to stop their war and make unity.

[Tash]

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   No choosing what country I'm in but in my case hoping that they will united and get back their friendship again. After many videos I've seen in social media update of this war more tears drown in my faces. That's why I'm praying also to stop their war and make unity.

You must be living in la-la land to think there will be a united Ukraine after 8 years of civil war with over 16000 dead so far.
Get used to the fact Ukraine will be split into minumum three countries and maybe more, depenting how crazy Ukraine gets.

[Biscutard]

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   No choosing what country I'm in but in my case hoping that they will united and get back their friendship again. After many videos I've seen in social media update of this war more tears drown in my faces. That's why I'm praying also to stop their war and make unity.

You must be living in la-la land to think there will be a united Ukraine after 8 years of civil war with over 16000 dead so far.
Get used to the fact Ukraine will be split into minumum three countries and maybe more, depenting how crazy Ukraine gets.

I agree with you, with all the damages and commitment they have made, there is no turning back for their goal. Russia have made some assurance buy putting some serious and bloody move without minding the sactions that will be given because Russia doesnt have choice because they are talking about their security being surrounded by NATO members

[Tash]

Patrick speaking with Mariupol refugees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1b-RKDHZOo

[Prosperiousproduct]

How long Ukraine could survive depends on the support of  other counties would render to them. Ukraine alone can not survive the attacks from Russian, the Russians are not taking it kindly they really want to get what they want by all means, they are not relenting no matter what they have lost they are still going deep with more hazardous plans to make sure their plans are accomplished. The Ukrainians are not giving up either. Whole situation is getting worst as the day goes by.

[johhnyUA]

What is going to happen after this war is over:

- Russia will be isolated and will turn into the Soviet Union by nationalizing its industries

Oh man, you're very wrong here.
Soviet Union was a superpower (though weaker than USA), second world's economy with a lot of factories built by americans in 1924-1936 (soviet industrialization) and big number of captured german factories and machine-tools.

For better understanding: Soviet Union has it'w own microelectronic and full-cycle-manufacture of Microprocessor ( it was worse than american Intel, but again, it was fully manufactured in USSR)

So SU was like China now.

And Russia is fully dependent on western machine-tools and everything else. For better understanding: russia is unable to produce bearings (one of the most important things in high-tech). Again, USSR was full sufficient with bearings. It produced around 1 billion of bearings per year. USSR even exported some amount of it in nearby countries. And russia is unable to fulfill it's own needs.

"A этo cлoвa Oгaнeca Дypyxянa, пpeдceдaтeля Гильдии пpoизвoдитeлeй и пocтaвщикoв пoдшипникoвoй пpoдyкции MTПП:
«B CCCP paбoтaлo oкoлo 30 зaвoдoв, кoтopыe выпycкaли миллиapд штyк пoдшипникoв в гoд. Этo пoлнocтью пoкpывaлo ocнoвныe пoтpeбнocти cтpaны и пoзвoлялo экcпopтиpoвaть пoдшипники нa 250 миллиoнoв дoллapoв. Дo 1990 гoдa в CCCP ecли и зaвoзили пoдшипники, тo этo были глaвным oбpaзoм для peмoнтa импopтнoгo oбopyдoвaния.
Итaк, ecли в CCCP пpoизвoдили 1 миллиapд пoдшипникoв, тo в Poccии пoтpeбнocть cнизилacь дo 160 миллиoнoв штyк в гoд, из ниx 105 миллиoнoв – этo импopтныe пoдшипники.
Зa пocлeдниe тpи гoдa — c 2014 пo 2017 гoд — пpoизвoдcтвo пoдшипникoв в Poccии coкpaтилocь c 55,1 дo 48,2 миллиoнoв штyк в гoд»."
https://mosgildia.ru/mneniya/oganes-duruhyan-podshipnik-nekachestvennym-byt-ne-mozhet/

1 billion of bearings in USSR
48.2 million of bearing in russia (which is 25 % of it's own demand)

So russian future is not USSR, rather North Korea. The agressive country which fully depends on financial and material help of big brother (China).

Poland is a social democracy, not a Mongol empire like Russia, it would never impose its will on other countries.

Oh, another myth. Let me explain: Despite all speculations and myths, Mongol Empire with a high probability was far more democratic than moskov kingdom and western monarhies. We can't know it for sure, but again: Crimean Khanate which is heir to the Golden Horde, was ultra functional and ultra democratic (for the 15-16-17 centuries). For example you as a citizen could sue with a Khan  (!!!) Could any french citizen sue with a king in 17th century? I'm very doubt about that.

[BADecker]

The Ukraine is so extremely outclassed, and will be even if they get lots of armament support from other countries, that they will died the death, shortly. Russia hasn't really even begun fighting.


Russia’s deployment of Iskander missiles to Kaliningrad is major threat to NATO: Here’s why

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Russia, the biggest state in the USSR and around which the alliance was formed, inherited the bulk of weaponry it had arrayed against NATO.

That included a massive amount of ballistic missiles, many of which have remained in service and now form the backbone of Moscow’s A2AD — “anti-access/area denial” strategy for the allied security alliance.

But of course, not all of Russia’s ballistic missile stockpile, the largest in the world, is aged. In fact, many models are fairly new and all are extremely lethal, including the Iskander-M, a short-range ballistic missile (SRBM), which NATO is particularly concerned with.

“The SS-26 Iskander missile has a range of approximately 400 to 500 kilometers, or about 250 to 310 miles,” The National Interest reports. “It can carry a variety of warhead types, including earth penetrator, high explosive or thermobaric.

“Export models have a shorter, 280-kilometer range (about 175 miles), and a smaller 480-kilogram payload (nearly 300 pounds), while the Russian service standard payload is 480 to 700 kilograms (300 to 430 pounds),” the report continued.

In addition, the report noted that the Iskander is also very accurate. It uses a combination of “inertial, GLONASS, and radar terrain correlation guidance, the missile can strike targets within a circular error probable (CEP) of 2 to 5 meters” — GLONASS being Russia’s version of our GPS.

In other words, the missiles have a 50 percent chance of landing some two to five meters away from a target, versus older SCUD-D missiles that have a CEP of 50 meters, making them far less accurate.
Brighteon.TV

What’s also notable about this model is that Iskander transporters are capable of carrying two missiles at one time in a side-by-side configuration. Also, the transporter features an armored roof to protect the cargo inside while the cabin itself also shields occupants from chemical biological, and nuclear hazards. Reloading vehicles that travel with the missile transporters on a battlefield are capable of reloading them quickly via a crane, the National Interest reported.

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[Newlifebtc]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

from what is happening Ukraine we survive everything because they are not the first country that experience war so therefore what is happening now is because of the administration of Ukraine government so if another set of government come into power I think the survival of Ukraine will be at higher because it's a country and this a nation and nation does not die off

[BADecker]

The only reason why a country survives is that they hold dear, and continue in, the things that formed the country in the first place. The country name might stay the same for generations. But the people, the politics, the goals can easily change after a few generations.

[SuperMariob]

I'm afraid it's going to last for several years