How long ukraine could survive?

[laredo7mm]

Despite the effort of the USA and their ally Ukraine is losing ground every day. Kyiv could fall anytime and some major city is already under Russian control. RF would stop after the fall of Kyiv or does Putin has some other plan in mind? This prolonged war could drain the resource of the EU and Russia but in long term, it could bring some stability in that region or we could see another cold war?

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[TheNineClub]

If by some other plan you mean going further than Ukraine then the answer is a definitive no. Would he go for the whole of Ukraine? I doubt it because holding a certain territory for a smaller amount of time is possible, anything longer is not doable. I think that studies show that you need 5 occupying soldiers on the ground for 1 local insurgent, and Russia would not be able to sustain that long-term. Even though media reporting is not to be completely trusted (not that they are lying but maybe they do not get the right info), it seems to me that Russians are downplaying the impact sanctions will have on them, and I do believe, in the long run, it would take a significant toll, that would, in return, affect their military power when trying to preserve their presence in a specific region. So it really depends on what we consider as surviving (regarding Ukraine).

[Etranger]

Despite the effort of the USA and their ally Ukraine is losing ground every day. Kyiv could fall anytime and some major city is already under Russian control. RF would stop after the fall of Kyiv or does Putin has some other plan in mind? This prolonged war could drain the resource of the EU and Russia but in long term, it could bring some stability in that region or we could see another cold war?

This map is total fake. As well as your claims about the occupation and fall of big cities. Ukraine will stand and fight till the end, because we are fighting for something real, not illusional. Ukraine struggles for freedom, democracy and human rights. Ukraine fights for the conviction of the whole civilized world. And we will not give up, because we are sure of our own rightness. We protect our land and our right to live on it as we wish. Ukraine will continue to combat because we don`t want to live in a world invented by a bunch of unhealthy people.

[LTU_btc]

This map is total fake. As well as your claims about the occupation and fall of big cities. Ukraine will stand and fight till the end, because we are fighting for something real, not illusional. Ukraine struggles for freedom, democracy and human rights. Ukraine fights for the conviction of the whole civilized world. And we will not give up, because we are sure of our own rightness. We protect our land and our right to live on it as we wish. Ukraine will continue to combat because we don`t want to live in a world invented by a bunch of unhealthy people.

Yeah, it's completely fake. Seems it was taken from some Russian website. It shows quite many Ukraine citys under control of Russia, but in reality only Kherson was taken in last 24 hours.
They are trying to achieve so called denacification, but I still don't understand how destroying cities and killing civilians is denazification. Russia themselves is scting like fascists.

[lumbanrang]

Surely Ukraine will last longer because in that country there are many heroes who are ready to sacrifice their lives to fight Russian aggression. And also international support will continue to flow to Ukraine and this is what gives them encouragement!

[IIV]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

[KingScorpio]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

the question is how soon will ukranians admit the genocide of their regime in donbass and stop fighting

[af_newbie]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

the question is how soon will ukranians admit the genocide of their regime in donbass and stop fighting

At the current rate of detrition, the Russian military will be unable to continue receiving losses at the current rate in about a year.

200 tanks/week
9000 soldiers/week
900 armored vehicles/week

Assuming they would be able to bring ALL their arm forces to Ukraine.

As long as the West keeps supplying Ukrainians with weapons and supplies, along with economic and financial pressures, Putin has no
possible way of winning this war.

If he resorts to the use of nuclear weapons, all he will do is hasten his fall.

If they manage to destroy the Ukrainian military equipment at a faster rate than the West will replenish them, then Putinians will be faced
with guerilla warfare, in the very unfriendly country and millions of fierce fighters.

I think he is prepared to annihilate Ukraine just like he leveled Chechnya.  However, he has a few problems:  the West support, the lack of revenues, opposition at home and abroad, etc.

You tell me, how in the world he can win this war?

[tvbcof]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

the question is how soon will ukranians admit the genocide of their regime in donbass and stop fighting

The Talmudic Jews who are running all sides of this thing will fight right down to the last Ukrainian Nazi at least.  That wouldn't exactly break my heart as someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight and who finds Nazi ideology to be distasteful.

After that, they might continue on until the non-nazi gentile cohort is smaller.  Or they might accomplish that objective over time as in various other mostly Islamic regions.  We'll just have to see.  It would be nice if other goyim around the globe took note of the ways and means of bringing about the 'world to come' (aka 'tikkun olam'), but I doubt that very many will.

[Gyfts]

They're no longer surviving, they pose no resistance to the Russian army. Just looking at some of the aftermath from the Russian shelling tells you this is over, Ukraine does not have enough military power to fight the Russians, period. The USA hasn't provided any help, just some kind hearted tweets.

Also notice how Putin is targeting civilian areas in his assault - he didn't expect so much resistance, both in war and in the propaganda efforts, so he became desperate and began bombing civilian buildings. Safe to say Ukraine is gone.

[LTU_btc]

They're no longer surviving, they pose no resistance to the Russian army. Just looking at some of the aftermath from the Russian shelling tells you this is over, Ukraine does not have enough military power to fight the Russians, period. The USA hasn't provided any help, just some kind hearted tweets.

Also notice how Putin is targeting civilian areas in his assault - he didn't expect so much resistance, both in war and in the propaganda efforts, so he became desperate and began bombing civilian buildings. Safe to say Ukraine is gone.

You contradicting yourself - first you say that they pose no resistance and then that Putin didn't expected so much resistance. I don't know from where you're getting news, but telling that Ukraine army don't resist is complete nonsense.
''Safe to say that Ukraine is gone'' - you killed whole nation by making such sentence. Be careful by making such bald statements.
But I agree that USA didn't gave significant help. Even from sanctions for Russia perspective - sanctions that they imposed is such soft compared with what EU countries have done.

[Gyfts]

They're no longer surviving, they pose no resistance to the Russian army. Just looking at some of the aftermath from the Russian shelling tells you this is over, Ukraine does not have enough military power to fight the Russians, period. The USA hasn't provided any help, just some kind hearted tweets.

Also notice how Putin is targeting civilian areas in his assault - he didn't expect so much resistance, both in war and in the propaganda efforts, so he became desperate and began bombing civilian buildings. Safe to say Ukraine is gone.

You contradicting yourself - first you say that they pose no resistance and then that Putin didn't expected so much resistance. I don't know from where you're getting news, but telling that Ukraine army don't resist is complete nonsense.
''Safe to say that Ukraine is gone'' - you killed whole nation by making such sentence. Be careful by making such bald statements.
But I agree that USA didn't gave significant help. Even from sanctions for Russia perspective - sanctions that they imposed is such soft compared with what EU countries have done.

Let me clarify - They pose resistance through non-voluntary compliance. Meaning, they are not succumbing to Putin without fighting. But, that does pose any real or significant deterrence that would cause Putin to withdraw his troops. So their resistance is unsuccessful.

The only way to overcome the Russian military would be a sizeable army and modern weapons, and Ukraine doesn't have that. I'm seeing steady streams of info celebrating that Ukraine is able to fend the Russian army simultaneously as Russia announces they've captured regions and the city of Kherson.

Someone has to be wrong, I think it's probably the Ukrainians.

[suchmoon]

Someone has to be wrong, I think it's probably the Ukrainians.

No. Both can be correct. Ukrainians are successfully resisting in some places and losing in others. Success for them is inflicting as much pain as possible for the Russian forces and if they die in the process of killing 10 invaders - so be it. Same could also be the definition of success for Putin, because he doesn't give a shit about deaths, whether it's his soldiers or Ukrainians.

Bombs can only go so far, as I'm sure anyone who's heard of Afghanistan or Iraq could tell you. Every civilian killed in bombardments etc makes 100 more sign up to fight because there is nothing else they can do about it. Compared to the motivation of the invading army this is a losing proposition for Russia, even if they capture a city or raze it to the ground.

[tvbcof]

They're no longer surviving, they pose no resistance to the Russian army. ... Safe to say Ukraine is gone.

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''Safe to say that Ukraine is gone'' - you killed whole nation by making such sentence. Be careful by making such bald statements.
But I agree that USA didn't gave significant help. Even from sanctions for Russia perspective - sanctions that they imposed is such soft compared with what EU countries have done.

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Someone has to be wrong, I think it's probably the Ukrainians.

You'd think that by now the Ukrainians would have learned the old adage: "With Jews, you lose."

Actually, a lot of them (including a lot of Jews) probably did a long time ago, but the options were limited.  That's why it is one of the few places that have actual dyed-in-the-wool Nazi's in any significant number.

I predict that a lot of countries with a Jewish population in any number at all are going to learn the same harsh lesson only more-so.  That absolutely includes the Jew-S-A who have a LOT and a lot of them in high positions.  The reaction will be to, yet again for the hundredth time and counting, 'run the Jews out.'  They'll 'run to Israel' which just so happens to be exactly what a lot of cretins consider to be what the 'prophecy' calls for in the 'end of days.'

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Lots of people consider me an 'anti-semite' or whatever.  That's fine and I don't care a lot although I don't believe it to be true.  The actual fact of the matter is that I see about the only hope for humanity against these creepy Talmudic Jews and their schemes is indeed 'the Jews' themselves.  The many I have known over the years are probably the only people possessing both the background to understand this shit, and, frankly, the intellectual wherewithal to figure out what to do about it.  I will say to them that 'you better wake their ass up' and do something before it is simply to late.  If it isn't already.

[yhiaali3]

It seems that we will witness a long war. Russia will not allow the presence of NATO on its borders at any cost. NATO wants to weaken Russia under the leadership of Putin, and Ukraine is the victim. The economic embargo will not cause harm to Russia alone, but there are many European countries that will be affected by the economic embargo, especially if Russia decides to respond and cut off oil and gas from Europe. I think that Putin will not back down until he achieves his strategic goals, and if the West does not abandon its pride and try to find a way to end the crisis with Russia, the war will be long and may expand much more and threaten the peace of the whole world.

[af_newbie]

It seems that we will witness a long war. Russia will not allow the presence of NATO on its borders at any cost. NATO wants to weaken Russia under the leadership of Putin, and Ukraine is the victim. The economic embargo will not cause harm to Russia alone, but there are many European countries that will be affected by the economic embargo, especially if Russia decides to respond and cut off oil and gas from Europe. I think that Putin will not back down until he achieves his strategic goals, and if the West does not abandon its pride and try to find a way to end the crisis with Russia, the war will be long and may expand much more and threaten the peace of the whole world.

They want to exterminate ("denazify") Ukrainians and annex Ukrainian territory into Putin's Russian Empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3_R__r7Go

[Etranger]

It seems that we will witness a long war. Russia will not allow the presence of NATO on its borders at any cost. NATO wants to weaken Russia under the leadership of Putin, and Ukraine is the victim. The economic embargo will not cause harm to Russia alone, but there are many European countries that will be affected by the economic embargo, especially if Russia decides to respond and cut off oil and gas from Europe. I think that Putin will not back down until he achieves his strategic goals, and if the West does not abandon its pride and try to find a way to end the crisis with Russia, the war will be long and may expand much more and threaten the peace of the whole world.

They want to exterminate ("denazify") Ukrainians and annex Ukrainian territory into Putin's Russian Empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3_R__r7Go

Ukrainians will not allow this. Putin wanted to divide us, but united us instead. Ukraine has never been as joint as it is now. People have very fresh memories of the horror of the Soviet Empire. Yes, an empire, not an alliance or union. Even Russians themselves use the terms "Soviet Union", "Russian Empire" and "Russian Federation" as synonyms. They want to recreate themselves as a metropolis with barely alive colonies, from which nothing but resources can be taken. This is how they see their greatness. Bring discord, destruction and degradation to once-living territories and consider themselves superior to those, who already on the verge of death. But they did not expect such resistance. They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, posters and tears of joy. And it turned out that the flowers are waiting for them only on their own graves.

[af_newbie]

It seems that we will witness a long war. Russia will not allow the presence of NATO on its borders at any cost. NATO wants to weaken Russia under the leadership of Putin, and Ukraine is the victim. The economic embargo will not cause harm to Russia alone, but there are many European countries that will be affected by the economic embargo, especially if Russia decides to respond and cut off oil and gas from Europe. I think that Putin will not back down until he achieves his strategic goals, and if the West does not abandon its pride and try to find a way to end the crisis with Russia, the war will be long and may expand much more and threaten the peace of the whole world.

They want to exterminate ("denazify") Ukrainians and annex Ukrainian territory into Putin's Russian Empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3_R__r7Go

Ukrainians will not allow this. Putin wanted to divide us, but united us instead. Ukraine has never been as joint as it is now. People have very fresh memories of the horror of the Soviet Empire. Yes, an empire, not an alliance or union. Even Russians themselves use the terms "Soviet Union", "Russian Empire" and "Russian Federation" as synonyms. They want to recreate themselves as a metropolis with barely alive colonies, from which nothing but resources can be taken. This is how they see their greatness. Bring discord, destruction and degradation to once-living territories and consider themselves superior to those, who already on the verge of death. But they did not expect such resistance. They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, posters and tears of joy. And it turned out that the flowers are waiting for them only on their own graves.

I hope not.  The West needs to send thousands of Javelins and Stingers to them now. 
They are very effective.  Turkey's drones were also very effective.

I know Ukrainians will fight.  They just need help from the West.

Unfortunately, NATO is too weak to provide them with air support.  That is a tragedy.

Another Soviet Union will be a disaster for all nations under it, Russians in Russia included.

[Etranger]

Another Soviet Union will be a disaster for all nations under it, Russians in Russia included.

More people should understand that. Otherwise, this catastrophe will happen. Another Soviet Union would be a disaster for all nations, not only those, who would be its parts. That is why it is so important to prevent this disaster. That is why we should be involved in the informational war Russia began. If nothing changes in people's minds, we should not expect changes on the battlefield.

[yhiaali3]

Ukrainians will not allow this. Putin wanted to divide us, but united us instead. Ukraine has never been as joint as it is now. People have very fresh memories of the horror of the Soviet Empire. Yes, an empire, not an alliance or union. Even Russians themselves use the terms "Soviet Union", "Russian Empire" and "Russian Federation" as synonyms. They want to recreate themselves as a metropolis with barely alive colonies, from which nothing but resources can be taken. This is how they see their greatness. Bring discord, destruction and degradation to once-living territories and consider themselves superior to those, who already on the verge of death. But they did not expect such resistance. They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, posters and tears of joy. And it turned out that the flowers are waiting for them only on their own graves.

I am of course sympathetic to the Ukrainians and very sad for them, I think most countries of the world do that too, the Ukrainians will resist and this is their right and everyone should help them defend themselves, Putin is guilty and Russia is also guilty of this aggression against an independent sovereign state, but from my point of view the West Guilty also for two reasons:
The first reason is that the West brought Ukraine into this problem when it tried to include Ukraine in NATO, and they know that Russia will not accept that.
The second reason: They abandoned Ukraine and did not directly defend it, but were satisfied with condemnation, humanitarian aid, and the economic blockade against Russia, and this is absolutely not enough.
Unfortunately, it is the good Ukrainian people who pay the price of this cold war between Russia and NATO.