How long ukraine could survive?

[Smartvirus]

Unfortunately, Putin is using any NATO action to interpret it against Ukraine. NATO does not want to take us - of course, who needs us but Russia, only Russia can protect us, so let's make sure that only with Russia we can survive and coexist.

NATO is hinting they might take us - Russia sees this as a complete carte blanche to start a full-scale war, because of course, NATO will immediately give us tons of weapons and start producing nuclear weapons in my country for the sole purpose of erasing Russia from the world map.

To anyone capable of rational thinking, it sounds absurd and even ridiculous if it weren't so sad. However, this is the delusion that has been feeding the Russian people for decades. And they don't see anything at all except what a bunch of inadequate people tell them on TV.

I am glad even a Ukrainian can understand this whole war this way. The more one tends to follow the issue as it unfolds, the more you tend to get a clear picture why its all going down the way its going. The sad news is, Ukraine seem to have have the one caught in this whole propaganda of NATO and US politics. I saw a phrase somewhere and it states "who wouldn't react or respond should an enemy lin over your neighbours wall and aims a gun at your head ".

The agreement that ensured between NATO and the former Soviet Union which is chiefly Russia was that, NATO won't move an inch close to Russia and somehow, NATO have breached that agreement by sorting further expansion. The sad news is, NATO is a body and not some boundary bounded nation and as such, Russia directed its war towards the supposedly newest member.

I don't in anyway support violence or shading of blood but, words of agreements should be honored. Its our best chance to building a civilised world.  It's my hope that peace do return to both these nations real soon!

[LTU_btc]

I understand, though I do not agree, why neither America nor Europe is sending troops to help Ukraine. I can even understand why they do not cover the sky (Putin has already stated that he would regard any such attempt as entering the war). However, I can't understand why we won't be given planes and more air defense systems. Nor can I understand why the UN cannot send peacekeepers to separate the Armed Forces of the warring parties and thus create favorable conditions for diplomatic negotiations to end this conflict. It seems that this organization was created for such events. And now they are doing nothing but expressing "concern".

Today I read that Poland is going to give 29 their fighter jets to USA and USA is going to give them to Ukraine.
Also, more than 20 000 foreign troops is going to defend Ukraine in International legion. Though, today I read on telegram that there are 40 000 foreign troops, but I don't know how reliable these numbers.
And you're right that these organizations like UN can't do something more than say that they're concerned. OSCE monitoring mission already left Ukraine.

[OgNasty]

I understand, though I do not agree, why neither America nor Europe is sending troops to help Ukraine. I can even understand why they do not cover the sky (Putin has already stated that he would regard any such attempt as entering the war). However, I can't understand why we won't be given planes and more air defense systems. Nor can I understand why the UN cannot send peacekeepers to separate the Armed Forces of the warring parties and thus create favorable conditions for diplomatic negotiations to end this conflict. It seems that this organization was created for such events. And now they are doing nothing but expressing "concern".

Today I read that Poland is going to give 29 their fighter jets to USA and USA is going to give them to Ukraine.
Also, more than 20 000 foreign troops is going to defend Ukraine in International legion. Though, today I read on telegram that there are 40 000 foreign troops, but I don't know how reliable these numbers.
And you're right that these organizations like UN can't do something more than say that they're concerned. OSCE monitoring mission already left Ukraine.

From what I'm reading the politicians don't even know what's going on with those fighter planes.  I don't know if they're acting stupid as to throw off their enemies, or if our government is really this much of a clueless shit show, but I'd prefer to think it's the former.  Unfortunately, decades of watching politicians be clueless leads me to believe that may our government (United States) is really so out of touch and disorganized that they really have no clue what deals they're making and for what...  I wish I had more confidence, but it's almost like the people in charge are purposely doing stupid things to increase prices and put a fire to the feet of the middle class.  I guess too many entrepreneurs are finding success these days and the government needs to put some pain on it's citizens with inflation to bring them back in line of needing to be taken care of.  The next couple of years are going to be a government induced shit show.  Please don't refinance your homes or take on unnecessary debt right now.  Your future self with thank you. 

As for how long Ukraine can survive...  As long as Russia allows them to.  They are clearly outmatched.  It's just a question of how far Russia is willing to go.

[Tash]

Going down the tubes as is
https://youtu.be/h6XvLVAuhgo

[Zanab247]

Ukraine country will survive this war soon because they are fully ready to make peace with Russia despite what Russian soldiers has done to their resources. Since other countries are ready to assist them with food items and other things that can help them to sustain through out the war.
Ukraine will definitely over come this war next year 2023 to enable them to grow their economy that is trying to collapse in this war period. Ukraine president will do everything possible to print more money that will allow the citizens to improve their businesses in the country.

[krishnaverma]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

He should have accepted the defeat. Would have prevented lot of destruction that happened in Ukraine. I know that it is there right to prevent their country but sometimes logical thinking is required.

[bittraffic]

Ukraine will last forever. It's just the Zelensky's government that's falling.

He should have accepted the defeat. Would have prevented lot of destruction that happened in Ukraine. I know that it is there right to prevent their country but sometimes logical thinking is required.

Russia is a superpower, if they just have the intention of ruining all Ukraine structures, they''d already drop thier biggest bombs and shoot missiles to every hiding place but I think they don't have that intention. According to the news, the Russians are circling Ukraine to cut the supplies that will force them to surrender. It's an old strategy even in medieval times where the city is circled making the city hungry till they lost the courage to fight. If they have a lot of supplies I guess they can last longer.

When I saw the news about British mercenaries dying and some going back to the borders after just a few hours of going inside Ukraine's borders, I could understand the terror he witness.

[Tash]

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When I saw the news about British mercenaries dying and some going back to the borders after just a few hours of going inside Ukraine's borders, I could understand the terror he witness.

An American who fought in Ukraine warns others “Do not go, it’s a trap”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1503737123261800452

Being backstabbed and slaughtered by Ukrainians, lucky to get out alive, next problem at home, fighting for a foreign country.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1504140455302217734

The plan to get other countries involved by having massive dead foreigners, has failed. Some idiots died as canon fodder.

[Etranger]

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When I saw the news about British mercenaries dying and some going back to the borders after just a few hours of going inside Ukraine's borders, I could understand the terror he witness.

An American who fought in Ukraine warns others “Do not go, it’s a trap”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1503737123261800452

Being backstabbed and slaughtered by Ukrainians, lucky to get out alive, next problem at home, fighting for a foreign country.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1504140455302217734

The plan to get other countries involved by having massive dead foreigners, has failed. Some idiots died as canon fodder.

I can`t believe you are still not banned. You are constantly spreading some slag. Does your rotten state even pay you for that? I'm just waiting for the moment when everyone will get annoyed enough of these meaningless, uncontributing posts, and maybe ignoring will finally be a reason for you to shut up.

[Tash]

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When I saw the news about British mercenaries dying and some going back to the borders after just a few hours of going inside Ukraine's borders, I could understand the terror he witness.

An American who fought in Ukraine warns others “Do not go, it’s a trap”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1503737123261800452

Being backstabbed and slaughtered by Ukrainians, lucky to get out alive, next problem at home, fighting for a foreign country.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1504140455302217734

The plan to get other countries involved by having massive dead foreigners, has failed. Some idiots died as canon fodder.

I can`t believe you are still not banned. You are constantly spreading some slag. Does your rotten state even pay you for that? I'm just waiting for the moment when everyone will get annoyed enough of these meaningless, uncontributing posts, and maybe ignoring will finally be a reason for you to shut up.

You always have the option to click the ignore button if you don't like real news or freedom.
And yes I do have opinions, if they are not to your liking i could not care.

[Coyster]

Ukraine country will survive this war soon because they are fully ready to make peace with Russia despite what Russian soldiers has done to their resources.

Peace? Honestly i don't want anything but just peace, so things can go back to normal. But are there actually plans in motion to make peace? I have not seen or heard much about that, from what i can gather, the war is still going on in its full force, to make peace will mean one side will have to surrender, do you think Ukraine are going to do that? I honestly do not know what is going to happen, but i just want a stop to all of this wreckage.

Ukraine president will do everything possible to print more money that will allow the citizens to improve their businesses in the country.

Printing more money eh? Well that could be the only option, but i am pretty sure we all know what the negative effect of that is, as inflation/hyperinflation is being felt almost worldwide right now after there was so much money-printing to fight the covid pandemic. Well Ukraine would not be thinking of that at all right now, they will just want all of this to end, so the rebuilding process can begin, in whichever way possible.

[Tash]

Ukraine country will survive this war soon because they are fully ready to make peace with Russia despite what Russian soldiers has done to their resources.

Peace? Honestly i don't want anything but just peace, so things can go back to normal. But are there actually plans in motion to make peace? I have not seen or heard much about that, from what i can gather, the war is still going on in its full force, to make peace will mean one side will have to surrender, do you think Ukraine are going to do that? I honestly do not know what is going to happen, but i just want a stop to all of this wreckage.

Ukraine president will do everything possible to print more money that will allow the citizens to improve their businesses in the country.

Printing more money eh? Well that could be the only option, but i am pretty sure we all know what the negative effect of that is, as inflation/hyperinflation is being felt almost worldwide right now after there was so much money-printing to fight the covid pandemic. Well Ukraine would not be thinking of that at all right now, they will just want all of this to end, so the rebuilding process can begin, in whichever way possible.

Russia offered it a long time ago with this conditions:


Donetsk, and Luhansk people already decided many times over what they want and they decide and not some corrupt drug addict far far away.

 Ukraine says no longer insisting on NATO membership
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/nod-russia-ukraine-says-no-165955908.html
Exactly what is so bad about a neutral country like switzerland, austria or sweden

[af_newbie]

Ukraine country will survive this war soon because they are fully ready to make peace with Russia despite what Russian soldiers has done to their resources.

Peace? Honestly i don't want anything but just peace, so things can go back to normal. But are there actually plans in motion to make peace? I have not seen or heard much about that, from what i can gather, the war is still going on in its full force, to make peace will mean one side will have to surrender, do you think Ukraine are going to do that? I honestly do not know what is going to happen, but i just want a stop to all of this wreckage.

Ukraine president will do everything possible to print more money that will allow the citizens to improve their businesses in the country.

Printing more money eh? Well that could be the only option, but i am pretty sure we all know what the negative effect of that is, as inflation/hyperinflation is being felt almost worldwide right now after there was so much money-printing to fight the covid pandemic. Well Ukraine would not be thinking of that at all right now, they will just want all of this to end, so the rebuilding process can begin, in whichever way possible.

Russia offered it a long time ago with this conditions:


Donetsk, and Luhansk people already decided many times over what they want and they decide and not some corrupt drug addict far far away.

 Ukraine says no longer insisting on NATO membership
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/nod-russia-ukraine-says-no-165955908.html
Exactly what is so bad about a neutral country like switzerland, austria or sweden

Any contract signed under duress is void.

Remove your army from the territory of Ukraine, then we'll talk.

[Tash]

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Any contract signed under duress is void.

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You mean taxes are illegal?

[Ebede]

Surely Ukraine will last longer because in that country there are many heroes who are ready to sacrifice their lives to fight Russian aggression. And also international support will continue to flow to Ukraine and this is what gives them encouragement!

Really Left with help of international support Russian would have clear everyone in Ukraine, forget their heroes because is not about hero's, the thing that matters is war equipment's like nuclear weapons, like nuclear bomb that can destroy two million people at times, Russian know very well that if the destroy Ukraine more than the way they did u.s can interval and china will also come in to support Russian why u.s is supporting Ukraine

[blackened515]

Surely Ukraine will last longer because in that country there are many heroes who are ready to sacrifice their lives to fight Russian aggression. And also international support will continue to flow to Ukraine and this is what gives them encouragement!

Really Left with help of international support Russian would have clear everyone in Ukraine, forget their heroes because is not about hero's, the thing that matters is war equipment's like nuclear weapons, like nuclear bomb that can destroy two million people at times, Russian know very well that if the destroy Ukraine more than the way they did u.s can interval and china will also come in to support Russian why u.s is supporting Ukraine

Is quite obvious that China will back Russia, If U.S.A decides to send troops to support Ukraine. But, don't you think that might lead to WW3? Although, Ukraine have been more strong that I expected, and they can't be destroyed entirely. Just that Russia don't want the US anywhere closer to them. They sees the NATO as a dangerous Organization. And will do anything within their capacity to ensure Ukraine doesn't join NATO.

[bittraffic]

Surely Ukraine will last longer because in that country there are many heroes who are ready to sacrifice their lives to fight Russian aggression. And also international support will continue to flow to Ukraine and this is what gives them encouragement!

Really Left with help of international support Russian would have clear everyone in Ukraine, forget their heroes because is not about hero's, the thing that matters is war equipment's like nuclear weapons, like nuclear bomb that can destroy two million people at times, Russian know very well that if the destroy Ukraine more than the way they did u.s can interval and china will also come in to support Russian why u.s is supporting Ukraine

Is quite obvious that China will back Russia, If U.S.A decides to send troops to support Ukraine. But, don't you think that might lead to WW3? Although, Ukraine have been more strong that I expected, and they can't be destroyed entirely. Just that Russia don't want the US anywhere closer to them. They sees the NATO as a dangerous Organization. And will do anything within their capacity to ensure Ukraine doesn't join NATO.

It will lead to WWIII if they send troops there. China warns already that instead of sending weapons to Ukraine, go there to send medical aid. That's just it because sending weapons will just make this conflict worse and more people will die. The world already suffers whoever fault is this, doesn't matter anymore when you are in the middle of the battleground.

The main purpose of Putin is the demilitarize Ukraine, they are not there to completely destroy the country. Ukraine is a strategic region for Russia, it's beneficial if they intend to make use of the country for improving economic activity especially because Crimea's coast is a large part of Ukraine.

[LTU_btc]

The main purpose of Putin is the demilitarize Ukraine, they are not there to completely destroy the country. Ukraine is a strategic region for Russia, it's beneficial if they intend to make use of the country for improving economic activity especially because Crimea's coast is a large part of Ukraine.

I haven't read such big nonsense for a while. If they want to ''demilitarize'' Ukraine, why they are targeting civilian objects - aprtment houses, schools, hospitals, theatres, churches and so on? Is it military objects? There was report that 90% of buildings in Mariupol were more or less damaged or destroyed by Russian army. If they will want to use Ukraine as strategic region for their economic, first they will have to spend many billions to rebuild country. And I hope that they will have to spend these billions as war reparations, same as Germany did after WW2.

[af_newbie]

The main purpose of Putin is the demilitarize Ukraine, they are not there to completely destroy the country. Ukraine is a strategic region for Russia, it's beneficial if they intend to make use of the country for improving economic activity especially because Crimea's coast is a large part of Ukraine.

I haven't read such big nonsense for a while. If they want to ''demilitarize'' Ukraine, why they are targeting civilian objects - aprtment houses, schools, hospitals, theatres, churches and so on? Is it military objects? There was report that 90% of buildings in Mariupol were more or less damaged or destroyed by Russian army. If they will want to use Ukraine as strategic region for their economic, first they will have to spend many billions to rebuild country. And I hope that they will have to spend these billions as war reparations, same as Germany did after WW2.

The objective was to convert Ukraine to Russia. Putin is just surprised that there are so many non-Russian Russian speakers in Ukraine, lol.

That is not what he read in his 1800s history textbooks.

He is effectively demilitarizing Russia and its satellite countries, Chechnya, Syria, Armenia, and Belarus.
On top of that, he wants to drag China into his adventure.

[Tash]

At least in Mariupol the fighting is nearing a end, anyone want to go west does so, anyone want to go east does so.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/03/20/russias-mod-outlines-efforts-to-free-mariupol-hostages-from-nazi-fanatics/

Ukraine wants to replace North Korea, dark times for Ukraine ahead
https://www.theepochtimes.com/zelensky-announces-ban-on-11-political-parties_4349682.html?utm_source=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2022-03-20-4&utm_medium=email&est=qCr9FQYOgi0MaZovjSkxJvScosqC5qrGdSTU0tkNovHV0WAv5eGUjBG4%2FZrMtQw%3D