Could cracks be appearing on Putin's controlled state media

[paxmao]

Kremlin-controlled channel Rossiya 1 pundit Karen Shakhnazarov warned viewers that the conflict in Ukraine will isolate Russia.

“I have a hard time imagining taking cities such as Kyiv. I can’t imagine how that would look,” the filmmaker told uber-loyalist host Vladimir Solovyov.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/criticism-vladimir-putin-ukraine-war-russian-state-tv-rossiya-1-karen-shakhnazarov-semyon-bagdasarov-b987471.html

It takes balls to even question the strategy in Russian media, despite not being able to speak out the word "War" without being sentenced to 15 years, but at least someone dared. And it is curious because they cannot say that this is a war of aggression, question official propaganda or mention the shelling of civils, so they simply can question if this is the best for Russia.

It seems that the only one that thinks his strategy is correct is Putin, and that can only be if no-one can tell the emperor that he is naked.

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[KingScorpio]

Kremlin-controlled channel Rossiya 1 pundit Karen Shakhnazarov warned viewers that the conflict in Ukraine will isolate Russia.

“I have a hard time imagining taking cities such as Kyiv. I can’t imagine how that would look,” the filmmaker told uber-loyalist host Vladimir Solovyov.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/criticism-vladimir-putin-ukraine-war-russian-state-tv-rossiya-1-karen-shakhnazarov-semyon-bagdasarov-b987471.html

It takes balls to even question the strategy in Russian media, despite not being able to speak out the word "War" without being sentenced to 15 years, but at least someone dared. And it is curious because they cannot say that this is a war of aggression, question official propaganda or mention the shelling of civils, so they simply can question if this is the best for Russia.

It seems that the only one that thinks his strategy is correct is Putin, and that can only be if no-one can tell the emperor that he is naked.

putins ideology system is actually pretty though, if you oppose him the war or side with ukraine,

you are siding with fashists, neonazis, and genocidal supressors of people that seek liberty.

putin is very well placed he is a god set in ruler, therefore he has a very efficient ideologic framework, similar with how opposition to trump made trump stronger,

similiar it will be with putin, the western woke left and their shortsighted conservatives backers will never able to defeat putin without taking very hard long term hits. the situtation will always stay balanced. if functional leaders are being removed ideologic movments get stronger etc.

putin is not just a figure like ghdaffi or hussein he is litterally a cornerstone

[paxmao]

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putins ideology system is actually pretty though, if you oppose him the war or side with ukraine,

you are siding with fashists, neonazis, and genocidal supressors of people that seek liberty.
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In your universe Putin is a freedom fighter? So he invaded Chechnya and Georgia to free the world sure. Seriously, there is a law stating that you cannot call war a war and that you cannot question the government or else face 15 years in prison. Survivors from Stalingrad, along with thousands of protesters got a criminal record and beatings. You need to review your definitions of tyranny, fascism and despotism.

You have a long story of post stating over and over Putin's official propaganda, I just want to let you know that there is no way you can convince well informed people of that kind of shit. You are not doing yourself a favour and you are definitely not doing a favour to the soldiers that are dying for Putin.

[Gyfts]

Off to the gulag for him, I suppose.

The Putin propaganda machine is too strong to fail but it does appear that over the last week or so the sentiment is shifting. Even the staunch Putin loyalists aren't able to justify the invasion. Aligns well with the sanctions and major companies pulling out of Russia, but I'm still confident that the sanctions won't stop Putin. He's too far committed to make any concessions that don't involve either Zelenskyy's resignation (or assassination, for that matter) and Ukraine becoming a neutral country.

I've wondered how many hit squads Zelenskyy's been able to evade. I've seen numbers over a dozen. Putin must be getting impatient.

[LTU_btc]

It's indeed not common to see such things on Russian TV recently. Until now they all were saying that ''special military operation'' is going as planned. Does that message means something and it can be sign of cracks - I'm not sure about it. We already heard message from oligarchs like Deripaska, Fridman and some others to end war. But nothing didn't happened after it.
Yesterday I read report from Ukraine intelligence that from all main personalities in Russia, only Putin and Shoigu still strongly support war in Ukraine. But problem that they barely can go against Putin. He is surrounded by like-minded officials who support his actions and don't tell real cost of war.

[KingScorpio]

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putins ideology system is actually pretty though, if you oppose him the war or side with ukraine,

you are siding with fashists, neonazis, and genocidal supressors of people that seek liberty.
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In your universe Putin is a freedom fighter? So he invaded Chechnya and Georgia to free the world sure. Seriously, there is a law stating that you cannot call war a war and that you cannot question the government or else face 15 years in prison. Survivors from Stalingrad, along with thousands of protesters got a criminal record and beatings. You need to review your definitions of tyranny, fascism and despotism.

You have a long story of post stating over and over Putin's official propaganda, I just want to let you know that there is no way you can convince well informed people of that kind of shit. You are not doing yourself a favour and you are definitely not doing a favour to the soldiers that are dying for Putin.

chechnya is not a normal state its like afghanistan, they are not interested in running their state muslim but only in causing trouble,

chechnya attack daggestan, in order to ensave the population there. it would have continued like that if not stopped.

secondly,

Georgia commited ethnic cleansing on south ossetians. the west is supporting completely corrupt regimes, if this continue EU will support taliban regimes, etc.

[merchantofzeny]

Also surprised that they even dared to show a tiny bit of doubt on how well the government is handling the situation. Got more balls than most people in media really.

We don't know how long this conflict will last but just from seeing a few clips it seems many people (majority of Russians as well) do not support this war. If Russia suffer enough, they might eventually do something and the officials would end up following suit to keep with the "times".

Off to the gulag for him, I suppose.

The Putin propaganda machine is too strong to fail but it does appear that over the last week or so the sentiment is shifting. Even the staunch Putin loyalists aren't able to justify the invasion. Aligns well with the sanctions and major companies pulling out of Russia, but I'm still confident that the sanctions won't stop Putin. He's too far committed to make any concessions that don't involve either Zelenskyy's resignation (or assassination, for that matter) and Ukraine becoming a neutral country.

I've wondered how many hit squads Zelenskyy's been able to evade. I've seen numbers over a dozen. Putin must be getting impatient.

Gulag? There's no such thing! It's called REEDUCASHUN you bigot! /s

Yup, I too believe sanctions won't stop Putin but if his cronies suffer enough, they might eventually turn on him, as shadow cabinets tend to do when their interests are hurt.

[KingScorpio]

Also surprised that they even dared to show a tiny bit of doubt on how well the government is handling the situation. Got more balls than most people in media really.

We don't know how long this conflict will last but just from seeing a few clips it seems many people (majority of Russians as well) do not support this war. If Russia suffer enough, they might eventually do something and the officials would end up following suit to keep with the "times".

Off to the gulag for him, I suppose.

The Putin propaganda machine is too strong to fail but it does appear that over the last week or so the sentiment is shifting. Even the staunch Putin loyalists aren't able to justify the invasion. Aligns well with the sanctions and major companies pulling out of Russia, but I'm still confident that the sanctions won't stop Putin. He's too far committed to make any concessions that don't involve either Zelenskyy's resignation (or assassination, for that matter) and Ukraine becoming a neutral country.

I've wondered how many hit squads Zelenskyy's been able to evade. I've seen numbers over a dozen. Putin must be getting impatient.

Gulag? There's no such thing! It's called REEDUCASHUN you bigot! /s

Yup, I too believe sanctions won't stop Putin but if his cronies suffer enough, they might eventually turn on him, as shadow cabinets tend to do when their interests are hurt.

In the West:

Gulag? There's no such thing! It's called racial sensitivity training you racist

[paxmao]

Also surprised that they even dared to show a tiny bit of doubt on how well the government is handling the situation. Got more balls than most people in media really.

We don't know how long this conflict will last but just from seeing a few clips it seems many people (majority of Russians as well) do not support this war. If Russia suffer enough, they might eventually do something and the officials would end up following suit to keep with the "times".

Off to the gulag for him, I suppose.

The Putin propaganda machine is too strong to fail but it does appear that over the last week or so the sentiment is shifting. Even the staunch Putin loyalists aren't able to justify the invasion. Aligns well with the sanctions and major companies pulling out of Russia, but I'm still confident that the sanctions won't stop Putin. He's too far committed to make any concessions that don't involve either Zelenskyy's resignation (or assassination, for that matter) and Ukraine becoming a neutral country.

I've wondered how many hit squads Zelenskyy's been able to evade. I've seen numbers over a dozen. Putin must be getting impatient.

Gulag? There's no such thing! It's called REEDUCASHUN you bigot! /s

Yup, I too believe sanctions won't stop Putin but if his cronies suffer enough, they might eventually turn on him, as shadow cabinets tend to do when their interests are hurt.

In the West:

Gulag? There's no such thing! It's called racial sensitivity training you racist

Congrats! It is the first thing you made up on your own!

[merchantofzeny]

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In the West:

Gulag? There's no such thing! It's called racial sensitivity training you racist

Did you just assumed I'm racist? How dare your! That makes you a racist, reee!

But in seriously, the Western gulag is horrible. I believe they call it "Cancel Culture".

[suchmoon]

There was this reporter on one of Russian TV channels who said something along the lines: "if you put a Z on your car, it increases the probability of your window getting smashed". Rumor has it that he was fired. I can't find the story now or verify that the firing really happened but that is the media landscape now in Russia. Cracks are quickly filled and everyone pretends that nothing happened. Gaslighting has been turned up to 11.

Edit - this dude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox0lu5P1LLA

Another example - even though protesters aren't really getting 15 years prison time, it's 5-10 days in jail typically or a 30k-50k ruble fine (250-400 USD) for first offence but the police are blocking off public squares and any other places where protests could gather, they're stopping, beating, and arresting people just walking by, arresting reporters who happen to film the beatings, illegally confiscating phones, that kind of shit. The goal is to nip in the bud so that they can keep pretending that nothing is going on.

I don't know yet what could create a big enough crack to make people realize who's at fault for their misery but I do hope it's coming.

[af_newbie]

There might be cracks, but those are just fringe forces. Putin's popularity rose to 74.5% from 64% at the beginning of this war.

Russians want to subjugate Ukraine, with or without Ukrainians.

So for all people who say, well, it is just one crazy guy, think again, or better yet, stop lying.

https://iz.ru/1303803/maksim-khodykin/cherez-kakoe-vremia-sanktcii-voidut-v-nashu-povsednevnost

Most Russians hate the West. They feel that the West is weak, morally corrupt,  uneducated, spiritually devoid, artistically handicapped.

Russia is a proud Mongol nation. They are proud that they conquered other nations to create the landmass we all recognize as Russia.
https://twitter.com/EricaMarat/status/1501659692094963723

Unfortunately for them, they will be decimated as a nation in this WW III.

[Coyster]

but I'm still confident that the sanctions won't stop Putin.

I have been thinking about this for awhile now, i know the sanctions have hit the Russian economy hard and there will still be more sanctions to be imposed which will affect the Russian econony even more, but it still doesn't look like Putin is going to withdraw his troops from Russia, could it be as a result of ego? Or is he trying his possible best not to look 'weak' in the eyes of the entire world? So let us take a situation were Putin vehemently refuses to stop, and Ukraine refuses to surrender, that could mean that the war will go on for as long as possible ('fight to the end'), that will mean a really devastating implication, we are already certain there will be no external military intervention, thus to what end is all of this going to be really?

[suchmoon]

How about this - live on news broadcast on the main propaganda channel:

https://twitter.com/YaroslavConway/status/1503442639257059328



A+ for the effort.

[paxmao]

How about this - live on news broadcast on the main propaganda channel:

https://twitter.com/YaroslavConway/status/1503442639257059328



A+ for the effort.

If that image is true, that is not a crack but a f*ing sewer without a tap. I saw today a video in which a woman show in the Red Square a minimal cardboard saying "Two Words", just like that , literally "two words" and ... well, I do not wan to spoil it for you guys so here is it. And this does not look like a fake an I think would be nearly impossible to create.

https://youtu.be/2WHASthLKAQ

There might be cracks, but those are just fringe forces. Putin's popularity rose to 74.5% from 64% at the beginning of this war.
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There is no single leader in the world with a 75% approval. That is simply no true. I do not doubt he has a good rating anyway, since all the media is controlled.

[suchmoon]

If that image is true, that is not a crack but a f*ing sewer without a tap.

It's true, but the woman got arrested obviously, the TV channel pulled the video from the website, and other media that reported on it is being very vague - an "incident" with an "outsider" even though the woman is - was - an employee.

https://ria.ru/20220314/pervyy-1778170048.html

Channel One told RIA Novosti that it was checking after the incident with the appearance on the air of an outside girl with a poster of pacifist content.

"In the live broadcast of the Vremya program, there really was an incident with an outsider in the frame, an internal check is underway," the channel's press service said.

I saw today a video in which a woman show in the Red Square a minimal cardboard saying "Two Words", just like that , literally "two words" and ... well, I do not wan to spoil it for you guys so here is it. And this does not look like a fake an I think would be nearly impossible to create.

There was another one where a woman was talking to a reporter and saying something along the lines of "I support" and from the context it sounded like she was going to say "I support the special operation", but the cosmonauts picked her up and dragged to the windowless bus regardless... just for being there.

[LTU_btc]

How about this - live on news broadcast on the main propaganda channel:

https://twitter.com/YaroslavConway/status/1503442639257059328

https://meem.link/i/zepef8fr.png

A+ for the effort.

That's serious stuff. And she isn't random stranger, she worked in Channel One as news editor for long years already. And she also made video on Facebook, explaining her position:
https://mobile.twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1503455183115886601?
She worked in propaganda machine for long time, but it's very brave decision to make such appearance, knowing that you may get in jail for long years after it.

There was another one where a woman was talking to a reporter and saying something along the lines of "I support" and from the context it sounded like she was going to say "I support the special operation", but the cosmonauts picked her up and dragged to the windowless bus regardless... just for being there.

Yeah, I posted that video somewhere yesterday. It summarizes current state of Russia very well.

[suchmoon]

Rumor has it - well, many rumors and some seem to be confirmed - that quite a few reporters and hosts and other "media personalities" are quitting major Russian TV channels.

Meanwhile Marina Ovsyannikova (the woman with the poster on live TV) was interrogated for 14 hours without a lawyer and fined 30k rubles (that's about 300 kilos of sugar in stable currency) but may still face criminal charges.

[LTU_btc]

Rumor has it - well, many rumors and some seem to be confirmed - that quite a few reporters and hosts and other "media personalities" are quitting major Russian TV channels.

Meanwhile Marina Ovsyannikova (the woman with the poster on live TV) was interrogated for 14 hours without a lawyer and fined 30k rubles (that's about 300 kilos of sugar in stable currency) but may still face criminal charges.

Yeah, in recent days there is lot of reports about people leaving their jobs in state owned media. But numbers isn't significant and none of them aren't big names in Russia.
About Ovsyannikova, I would be very surprised if she will end just 30k rubles fine.
BTW, there is conspiracy theory that whole this story is fake and it was scripted by Channel One:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mara_ampora/status/1503525518125240320

[af_newbie]

Rumor has it - well, many rumors and some seem to be confirmed - that quite a few reporters and hosts and other "media personalities" are quitting major Russian TV channels.

Meanwhile Marina Ovsyannikova (the woman with the poster on live TV) was interrogated for 14 hours without a lawyer and fined 30k rubles (that's about 300 kilos of sugar in stable currency) but may still face criminal charges.

Yeah, in recent days there is lot of reports about people leaving their jobs in state owned media. But numbers isn't significant and none of them aren't big names in Russia.
About Ovsyannikova, I would be very surprised if she will end just 30k rubles fine.
BTW, there is conspiracy theory that whole this story is fake and it was scripted by Channel One:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mara_ampora/status/1503525518125240320

Car accident, heart or digestive issues. That is how she is going to die if she does not hide somewhere in the West.