Lock Russian section.

[Erumo]

But if there is any truth that Russia intends to completely separate itself from the global Internet, then that board will lock itself up because Russians from Russia will no longer be able to access it.

As far as I know, Russian local board is visited by users not only from Russian territory or using "Russian" internet. Bitcointalk forum is already banned in Russia (or by several internet providers only) and many users are already using VPN to access this forum.

I cant understand why xenon131 accuses all Russian local board for military actions in Ukraine. He has been earning on this forum through signature campaigns by making posts there, and now local board turns to be bad. When he earned there they were good, not they are bad. He is so cheap.

[ibuddy122505]

You're talking sake of the European nation and US sanction against Russia, simply imposing restrictions in belief of Russia keeping away from their action. However, situation is remain same moreover now invasion of Ukraine in heavy measure. I can see you're quite active Russian local board and sharing Ukrainian innocent peoples troubles, hardship during Russian invasion of Ukraine. I also can feel it but your approach absolutely not make sense. There lots of Russian residents continuously protest against Russian invasion, not every one of them holding a similar mentality as the Russian dictator.

[Lucius]

As far as I know, Russian local board is visited by users not only from Russian territory or using "Russian" internet. Bitcointalk forum is already banned in Russia (or by several internet providers only) and many users are already using VPN to access this forum.

I start from the assumption that most of the members who visit this local board still live in Russia, although it is quite logical that they can be in any country in the world.

I cant understand why xenon131 accuses all Russian local board for military actions in Ukraine. He has been earning on this forum through signature campaigns by making posts there, and now local board turns to be bad. When he earned there they were good, not they are bad. He is so cheap.

I will not excuse anyone, but we need to take into account that people who are exposed to the sufferings of war and fear for themselves and the lives of their loved ones often react in a way that everyone on the other side is equally to blame.

[madnessteat]

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The Russian language is multinational. Not only Russians, but also Belarusians, Ukrainians, Ossetians, Moldovans, Kyrgyz, Abkhazians, Kazakhs, Tatars and many other peoples of the world communicate in it.

There are no separate locales for their national languages on the forum, so they choose the Russian locale. Besides, even if a person is Russian it does not mean that he can not be in opposition to the government.

According to the latest information, a person who goes out to a peaceful protest in Russia receives a fine of $300 to $600 (the average salary for one or two months of work), and for the second protest, he could face three years in prison.

[mindrust]

If you can't handle free speech you should leave this forum immediately imo. I read the news all the time, people in Europe are kicking Russian students out of the colleges, firing random Russian people etc. It is the shit like this makes the EU look bad.

Maybe Facebook is a better platform for you. I heard Zuck has given a go on insulting the Russians.

[KingsDen]

This forum is for those people who are fighting against the banks and financial institutions.

This is upto 10 months that I have been in this forum, I have never heard or known that this forum was created to fight banks and other financial institutions. Please, how did you come about this statement of yours? Is it included in bitcoin whitepaper? Was it rather said by Satoshi or Theymos  or you fabricated same yourself.
I think you really missed the entire essence of this forum and what her users represent.
I think this forum was one of the tools created to propagate bitcoin and not to go into war or fight with anyone or institutions.

[Ryu_Ar1]

You are so funny, friend, instead of being sympathetic, I actually feel a little displeased with you if you still make statements like this.
Russia's current problem is a conflict that refers to politics.
Don't think that the Russian people don't suffer from this either.
Look now how many athletes have to bury their dreams now due to the sanctions imposed on their country.
There are so many companies or entrepreneurs who have to give up their current assets due to the Russian problem.
In the country I live in now, many Russians cannot return to their country due to the many regulations that are detrimental to them, even just to eat, they are now street musicians in my country due to their bank accounts being frozen.

Frankly I feel very sorry for them too because they don't know anything but they feel the impact.

Don't equate all things Russia-related with your hate speech. Political problems are still political problems, don't let civilians get involved in the ban as you say.

[Daniel91]

xenon131, although I don't agree with your request, I understand your reasons.
It’s very hard when your country is going through a war, and it’s emotionally hard for everyone.
I went through the same experience when there was a war in my country, Croatia, 1991 and I personally suffered a lot.
In our local Croatian section we also have active members from neighboring countries, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro due to the similarity of languages, similar to the Russian section of the forum, which includes Russian speakers from different countries.
None of us have a problem with the past and we don’t talk about it because there’s no need for it.
This is not a political but a crypto forum and we come here because we are interested in crypto topics and not politics.
There are other forums or sections of Politics & Society to discuss politics.
There are certain forum rules for expulsion from the forum, such as plagiarism or financial fraud.
If you want to introduce a category of moral punishment, then you should be consistent and extend that to other countries in war like Yemen or Ethiopia for example.
Not all members of the forum who have an IP address from Russia are Russians, but there are many other nationalities living in Russia, then foreign workers, foreign students etc.
Should they send a passport to the forum administrators to prove that they are not Russian citizens even though they live in Russia and use Russian IP?
What about Russians who do not live in Russia?
I believe that from this you understand that your request is inviolable and that it makes no sense.
I suggest that instead of trying to introduce moral punishment in this forum, you take a more constructive approach and organize some action in the forum for collecting crypto donations for your country.
This will help your country a lot more than your request from the introductory post.

[Bobrox]

Are you crazy with your suggestion, not reason to lock Russia section or Russian member because not relationship between war and Russia member forum here. You try to make politic here and I am not agree with your why have lock Russia section, every one have freedom here what ever countries come from not any reason to lock their freedom. They not asking about war on their forum section is not enough reason why have to lock Russia section forum.

Better apology to Russia member what have your recommended here and you need really disappointed what have you did.

[Johnyz]

There’s a lot of innocent Russian here who doesn’t have the power to dictate on their own government and also afraid of their own government, so I don’t see any big reason to punish them here. Their government may banned Russian access to social media but in this forum, they are always welcome. I believe its better to lock this thread than to lock the Russian section, this is decentralized after all.

[kawetsriyanto]

The representatives of that nation have no moral right to be on this forum.
I would suggest to ban all Russians from entering this forum and lock Russian section.

Everyone has the right to be a part of bitcointalk forum. Even Satoshi never forbids a certain country or a certain nation to join this forum. So, why we must exclude the Russian section? Russian section is one of the most active sections in this forum, we must appreciate what they have done to this forum. Russian members have contributed to growing this forum, it is strange if we must lock their local section.

Regarding the war (Russian invasion), we cannot blame the Russian citizens. Instead, many of them don't agree with the Russian government to carry out the invasion. In this matter, Russian members in this forum are just ordinary citizens, not a part of the Russian government. They did not participate in the war at all and never did anything to support the war. Why we must punish them?   

[Dunamisx]

Theymos, pls. Russians kill innocent people in Ukraine, children and women including. The representatives of that nation have no moral right to be on this forum.

I would suggest to ban all Russians from entering this forum and lock Russian section.

For what please?
Are they the soldiers fighting and killing Ukrainians?

I can only agree with you if at the Russians section they are only agitating over the war to kill and are giving a threat to the forum members and nothing more, anything aside this i think is an act of inconsideration.

[decodx]

Maybe Facebook is a better platform for you. I heard Zuck has given a go on insulting the Russians.

Despite his efforts, Zack is still far from the bitcointalk standards we enjoy here. 

@OP, as long as I can freely say that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is a murderer and war criminal that should be held criminally accountable for his actions, and not have my ass kicked to death, I'm happy with bitcointalk forum's moderator policy. If you can't have two parties to a debate, there's something fundamentally wrong with the system.

[Scripture]

last time, I saw someone suggest that Ukrainian accounts should be restricted from PW/email change(something like that) to prevent Russian propagandists from taking over the Ukrainian accounts to spread propaganda and false information. both this and that thread are ridiculous.

Read that as well, though there’s an on-going cybercrime as well restricting Ukrainian can’t still help same thing with Locking the section of Russian here in the forum. We should not get involve on the conflict and should remain neutral especially on ordinary people of Russia and Ukraine, because they are the victims here. This might be the only forum for them to voice out, so it should remain open.

[xenon131]

OP, are you a complete ignoramus or something?  It isn't the average Russian on the street who's doing all of this stuff, it's Putin.

Does Putin do it along?

Well, I see you understand nothing. Russians ppl from the street do obey Putler and go into Ukraine to kill innocents ppl.

Why dont you want to solve problem with Russia and Russian by yourself, and stop asking others to do your work? Dont drag others into your conflict. Dont try to use others hands and keep your hands clean and fluffy.

You must the among those who call teacher every time you get your ass kicked at school.

The  most cynical statement I have  ever seen.

Russians will come after your if Ukrainians will not stop them. ~14000 Russian   criminals have been already killd in Ukraine. 400+ tanks & ~80 war planes  destroyed .  But we need help from all intelligent ppl to stop Russians' war crimes   otherwise they will come to western countries and do the same.

Theymos, pls lock Russian section. Those who are not barbarians can communicate in English. Russian war criminals have no ability to do this.

[zasad@]

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Should they send a passport to the forum administrators to prove that they are not Russian citizens even though they live in Russia and use Russian IP?
What about Russians who do not live in Russia?
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The bitcointalok forum was blocked in Russia by a court decision for some old topic about tax evasion. It is not available on search engines. Therefore, all Russian users use VPN. I think that blocking by IP address is the most stupid decision that a regulator can come up with today.

[NotATether]

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It's this kind of stupid shit that's been cropping up here in recent weeks why I've cut back at my posting here.

[Erumo]

xenon131, if dont like Russian Local Board, just go to your profile > Ignore Boards Preferences > mark them > click Change Profile, and you will never see them.

If you want to accuse every Russian for what is done to Ukraine, then you are narrow minded and we can accuse you for every criminal action any Ukrainian did.

Instead of creating this useless topic, you could have spent power, that you've spend pressing buttons while creating topic, on saying thank you to everyone who helped and donated to Ukraine. I have rarely seen any Ukrainian writing or saying simple "thank you". But all I see is "do/must/give/send".

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Theymos, pls. Russians kill innocent people in Ukraine, children and women including. The representatives of that nation have no moral right to be on this forum.

This is bitcoin and bitcointalk community. You are mistakenly considering it as a dirty political platform, this is not. I am sorry your son is in war and the loses of your country but the community has no business with it. Civilians do not fight, it's the dirty politicians who fight for power. Bitcoin is not for a nationality but for the world.

You must realize by now that your suggestion is wrong. In fact, to me it seems you are trying to express your personal anger towards a community who gave you a nice ground to settle down on the forum. You are no different than Putin. The world needs friendships not dictators.

Does Putin do it along?

What do you think? Putin and his oligarchs have bitcointalk accounts to spread propaganda? Even if they have the forum rules does not allow to get banned unless they caught on something that breaks the rules.

its citizens from the good of Earth.

I am sorry the good of Earth were never there. Where was it when Iraq was destroyed, Afghanistan was destroyed, Palestine conflict, bombing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I am not supporting any war to be clear but at the same time I am frustrated to see these double standard mentality from the West, EU politicians and their mainstream media.

Just imagine where are we taking the mother earth? We are destroying it. And nature will avenge itself. When it will do, none of us will survive for the next moment. Let's forget hatred towards each others and spread the hand of friendship and peach.

[Beparanf]

@Xenon131 I really understand the frustration you are feeling right now especially if you witness everything including the bombing. But just like what everyone trying to point out here, Russians in the forum aren’t supporting Putin as well as the normal citizens leaving in fear on Russia right because of there strict government. You should at least focus your attention to the Russian government and not to its people because the Russian government is doing alone this crazy shit without the consent  of its citizens.

Let’s just be united.