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April 05, 2022, 10:38:53 AM
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I would agree that the NATO membership was just an excuse from Putin to attack Ukraine.

And it could be ideological, he believed that it is still with Russia, and since the government is anti-Putin, it has to be reminded that it was once was a part of Russia. And we may say that Putin has a nationalistic idea that he takes very seriously and no one can stop him from fighting for it even if it means attacking Ukraine and getting condemnation from the West.
The reason for Russia's military intervention in Ukraine is primarily deeply ideological. At the same time, the very entry of Ukraine into NATO does not pose any danger to Russia, because Russia has long had common borders in the west with NATO members - Latvia and Estonia. This is all fiction and the main reason here is different. Russia is now a sharply authoritarian state, where the people now have practically no rights. Their actual tsar Putin has unlimited power, and the country's legislative body, the State Duma, is such only on paper. Everyone who opposes Putin, regardless of position and rank, either goes to jail or is physically eliminated.

In Ukraine, in contrast to Russia, there is a high level of democracy and freedom of speech. This is very dangerous for the Putin regime. He is afraid of his people and is afraid that the Russian people will also want the same arrangement of society. By destroying Ukraine, Putin is destroying a threat to his rule.

In addition, Putin is very obsessed with the history and greatness of Russia. But with this without Ukraine is just a big problem. Everything that Russia has now in terms of history, all this has Ukrainian roots. Russia even got its name during the time of Tsar Peter the Great at the beginning of the 18th century. Prior to that, it was called the Moscow Principality or Muscovy. Russia, Russian, is borrowed from the name of a powerful state of the 9th-12th centuries, which existed on the territory of Ukraine and was called Kievan Rus with its center in Kyiv. The current Moscow at that time was a small settlement called Mokva and belonged to the prince of Kievan Rus Yuri Dolgoruky.
RUSSIAN, ROSS, RUSSIAN - the population of the territory of Russia, which originally (9th century) was a small section of the Dnieper Right Bank with a center in Kyiv and a southern border along the Ros River. The current name of Russia and the word "Russian" has nothing to do with the current territory of Russia, and therefore Putin hates Ukraine and wants to seize and appropriate its history by annexing this territory.

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April 05, 2022, 12:20:14 PM
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I would agree that the NATO membership was just an excuse from Putin to attack Ukraine.

And it could be ideological, he believed that it is still with Russia, and since the government is anti-Putin, it has to be reminded that it was once was a part of Russia. And we may say that Putin has a nationalistic idea that he takes very seriously and no one can stop him from fighting for it even if it means attacking Ukraine and getting condemnation from the West.

This is what I'm also thinking about. All of the issue regarding NATO being the reason behind the invasion of Russia to Ukraine is just a ploy of the former. Russia kept on saying that it is a big deal, when in fact, Ukraine wasn't even doing anything threatening to them. They were the first one to made a step and Ukraine just put a defenseive stance, because after all, they must protect theor country and citizens.

Putin is an overly-agressive kind of leader that would do everything in his power to fulfill what he wants. So, he really did great lengths just to bully Ukraine even the civilians who are innocent. He is binded in an idea that no one should really walk past his principles and on what he wants. That's why when Ukraine did something against it, he exploded like what a ticking bomb does eventually.
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April 05, 2022, 01:53:11 PM
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There are many quite correct, "scientific" explanations given here. I will add one more. Another key reason is FEAR! Putin's fear! Putin's fear that the 2014 revolution, and indeed the behavior of Ukrainians in general, will be adopted by the population of Russia. And this means the destruction of the slave model of building a state. This means the loss of absolute power. This means the emergence of self-consciousness of the people. This means the impossibility of usurpation of power, media, resources, wealth.. This means that you can't do anything with impunity, it means you can't play God!!! And that's what he really fears. NATO security is all fakes and fabrications. The Baltic countries have been in NATO for a long time. For a long time, all the countries of the former Warsaw Pact in NATO. But NATO never attacked Russia and never even prevented Russia from creating terror wherever they wanted!!!

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April 05, 2022, 07:45:26 PM
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There are many quite correct, "scientific" explanations given here. I will add one more. Another key reason is FEAR! Putin's fear! Putin's fear that the 2014 revolution, and indeed the behavior of Ukrainians in general, will be adopted by the population of Russia. And this means the destruction of the slave model of building a state. This means the loss of absolute power. This means the emergence of self-consciousness of the people. This means the impossibility of usurpation of power, media, resources, wealth.. This means that you can't do anything with impunity, it means you can't play God!!! And that's what he really fears. NATO security is all fakes and fabrications. The Baltic countries have been in NATO for a long time. For a long time, all the countries of the former Warsaw Pact in NATO. But NATO never attacked Russia and never even prevented Russia from creating terror wherever they wanted!!!

I think Putin have fear of Europe also because if you look at history then you can see that Russia has been attacked many times by Europeans though all of them failed. Nepolian, Hitlar all try to conquer Russia and till now Europe and Russia both fear each other. At least that is why NATO was created for. So the fear of west by Putin is not a fantacy but a fact.

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April 06, 2022, 09:04:22 AM
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There are many quite correct, "scientific" explanations given here. I will add one more. Another key reason is FEAR! Putin's fear! Putin's fear that the 2014 revolution, and indeed the behavior of Ukrainians in general, will be adopted by the population of Russia. And this means the destruction of the slave model of building a state. This means the loss of absolute power. This means the emergence of self-consciousness of the people. This means the impossibility of usurpation of power, media, resources, wealth.. This means that you can't do anything with impunity, it means you can't play God!!! And that's what he really fears. NATO security is all fakes and fabrications. The Baltic countries have been in NATO for a long time. For a long time, all the countries of the former Warsaw Pact in NATO. But NATO never attacked Russia and never even prevented Russia from creating terror wherever they wanted!!!
That fear is not just from Putin, it is from the nukes they have. Remove all the nukes from the equation and you will see that west would not hesitate to attack Russia in a single day. Without nukes, Russia doesn't have even remotely close numbers as Nato has in military, USA alone would be able to beat Russia without breaking a sweat.

You may think that "but USA had so much trouble even in Iraq" but that is exactly what happens after a while, you can't take over a nation, you can only beat them and leave. Russia would be in crumbles, many people dead, government changed, but then USA can't stay there and would have to leave, exactly same would have happened. But since Russia have nukes, that would destroy every single possibility of attacking them.

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April 06, 2022, 10:56:40 AM
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There are many quite correct, "scientific" explanations given here. I will add one more. Another key reason is FEAR! Putin's fear! Putin's fear that the 2014 revolution, and indeed the behavior of Ukrainians in general, will be adopted by the population of Russia. And this means the destruction of the slave model of building a state. This means the loss of absolute power. This means the emergence of self-consciousness of the people. This means the impossibility of usurpation of power, media, resources, wealth.. This means that you can't do anything with impunity, it means you can't play God!!! And that's what he really fears. NATO security is all fakes and fabrications. The Baltic countries have been in NATO for a long time. For a long time, all the countries of the former Warsaw Pact in NATO. But NATO never attacked Russia and never even prevented Russia from creating terror wherever they wanted!!!

I think Putin have fear of Europe also because if you look at history then you can see that Russia has been attacked many times by Europeans though all of them failed. Nepolian, Hitlar all try to conquer Russia and till now Europe and Russia both fear each other. At least that is why NATO was created for. So the fear of west by Putin is not a fantacy but a fact.

Hmm... Tell me, do you seriously think that "Europe has attacked Russia many times"? Can you really give examples of specific, direct attacks by European countries, in the form of direct aggression, against Russia? And let's give you examples, and we will discuss them by referring to real history and facts? Smiley
No offense, but it sounds like slogans from Soviet TV in the 1980s Smiley
So - write the year, the aggressor country that attacked Russia / the USSR, and discuss each item.

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