One Alternative To High Gas Prices, The Electric Scooter

[Hydrogen]

https://usa.banggood.com/US-DIRECT-FIEABOR-Q30-Oil-Brake-2500W-48V-16Ah-11-Inch-Electric-Scooter-55Km-or-h-Max-Speed-40-60Km-Range-100-120Kg-Max-Load-p-1934048.html

This one claims a top speed of 34 mph and range of 24 to 37 miles. Which could be satisfactory for daily commutes in cities and urban areas.

(It claims 2500 watt propulsion with 2 x 1200 watt motors on front and rear wheels, which is around 3.5 horsepower combined)

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A trailer can be attached for hauling groceries and cargo.



Solar panel trailer can be used for range extension.

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Of course, everything said here also applies to electric bicycles.

Bicycles tend to offer engines and batteries with lower power at the same cost.

Perhaps electric scooters, bicycles and EVs can be a good investment in the near future, should oil prices continue to rise?

[paxmao]

The main drawback to electric scooters is safety and in many cases insurance of the vehicle. There are many statistics that will tell you that these are very prone to accidents and users tend to misuse them and ride over walkways and the like. I am not so sure you can escape the cost of crude as the cost of electricity has also increased everywhere.

Advice - if you buy one, let it not be chinesse.

[Hydrogen]

The main drawback to electric scooters is safety and in many cases insurance of the vehicle. There are many statistics that will tell you that these are very prone to accidents and users tend to misuse them and ride over walkways and the like. I am not so sure you can escape the cost of crude as the cost of electricity has also increased everywhere.

Advice - if you buy one, let it not be chinesse.

In the united states, I think vehicles with an engine smaller than 50 cubic centimeters in displacement, usually do not pay insurance. That's one advantage to the 50cc moped bracket. Mopeds are fuel efficient and another good option for avoiding high gas costs.

Some US states have little or no regulation for electric scooters and bikes. There may be no insurance requirements. I think the determining factor is the watt power of the motor. In some regions a motor with less than 500 to 1,000 watts of power will require no licensing or insurance. While larger and more powerful vehicles, might be require a valid driver's license or insurance of some type.

There are accounts on youtube who buy scooters, bikes, motorcycles, mopeds and review them. Its good to check reviews there to see if someone else bought it 1st and get a reaction for what their experience was.

I think most accidents stem from people not exercising proper caution, going too fast in areas with many pedestrians. Not following the rules of the road.

Even before electric scooters became common, bicyclists have always had a difficult time with safety. Partly due to them being so quiet that people do not notice them. Many drivers listen for the sound of an engine and if they don't hear one, they assume its safe to back out of their driveway. Causing them to hit the scooter/bicycle that was moving past.

[Poker Player]

The main drawback to electric scooters is safety...

A relative of mine recently had an accident. He was on a motorcycle and a car hit him when he came out of a traffic light, at low speed, but he has broken several ribs and other bones in his body. His life is not in danger but a long recovery awaits him. If he had been on a car instead of a motorcycle, he would not have suffered any physical damage due to the low speed.

The problem with riding a motorcycle is that the bodywork is your body.

Perhaps electric scooters, bicycles and EVs can be a good investment in the near future, should oil prices continue to rise?

As for scooters and bicycles, it may be because they don't use as much energy, but about electric cars I doubt it very much. The cost of electricity has also risen a lot recently and you have to think that as combustion cars are replaced by electric cars, the demand for electricity will grow, therefore, the more demand (assuming an equal or lower supply) the price will grow.

In the USA there are almost 300 million cars. Imagine that in a few years these cars will all be electric. Do you know the increase in demand that this would imply?

[iamsheikhadil]

Best is to use these and manual transport like cycling or walking, a bit of running, jogging etc, I guess with not only we save more money on it, we also boost our health a lot which is a win win situation plus, maybe in future prices of these will rise significantly as cost of gas and oil might go out of the general middle class family and it might be a good investment as well!

[Hydrogen]

As for scooters and bicycles, it may be because they don't use as much energy, but about electric cars I doubt it very much. The cost of electricity has also risen a lot recently and you have to think that as combustion cars are replaced by electric cars, the demand for electricity will grow, therefore, the more demand (assuming an equal or lower supply) the price will grow.

In the USA there are almost 300 million cars. Imagine that in a few years these cars will all be electric. Do you know the increase in demand that this would imply?

Internal combustion engines in automobiles are around 10% to 15% efficient at converting fuel into usable energy.

Power plants which power electrical grids can achieve 30% to 40% efficiency at converting fuel to electricity. (Some carry an advantage of not needing fossil fuels and simply using natural steam vents, wind or sunlight as an energy source.)

While a transition to electrical power may shift the burden of energy generation to grids. Overall power consumption may be reduced thanks to the higher efficiency.

Electric motors are also more energy efficient in contrast to internal combustion engines and have built in energy scavenging in the form of regenerative braking.

Overall demand will diminish. But what is really needed to make a switch to EVs optimal is more people switching to an offgrid format where they generate more of their own power. And better batteries with better storage capacity and longevity. Most expect governments and states to spearhead the movement to improve grid infrastructure. But things would go much better, if people took the matter into their own hands and looked for ways to make themselves more energy independent on their own time.

[Dave1]

We already have one here, and yeah scooter will be another alternative, but what we used is called E-Bike.



Unfortunately, it's a Chinese made and I didn't buy it brand new, so I have to buy a new battery. So far it has done it's share for me and my family. But Electric Scooter is also prevalent here as well, people used it when they go to office.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Hey!  This thread reminds me of a couple I started a while back.  I've been a fan of e-bikes and you can see a pic of mine in this thread, and before I ended up buying it (not with bitcoin, by the way), I was looking for a way to purchase one with crypto.  They're definitely more energy efficient and much, much less expensive if you compare them to automobiles.  The only problem is that neither e-bikes nor e-scooters are practical if you've got regular, long commutes.  Fortunately for me I don't.

In my city I always see some kid zipping around on an e-bike that you don't have to pedal, which is not the kind I own.  But man, mine is fun to ride.  My legs still get a good workout; it's just that I can ride faster and hills are much easier to manage.

I am not so sure you can escape the cost of crude as the cost of electricity has also increased everywhere.

That would depend on how often and how far you ride it, but I'd be willing to bet that any e-bike or scooter would save you a ton of money in fuel costs alone.  Depending on those factors I mentioned and your weight, you don't have to recharge them after every ride and they don't use up a whole lot of electricity anyway.

[Doan9269]

I am not so sure you can escape the cost of crude as the cost of electricity has also increased everywhere.

That would depend on how often and how far you ride it, but I'd be willing to bet that any e-bike or scooter would save you a ton of money in fuel costs alone.  Depending on those factors I mentioned and your weight, you don't have to recharge them after every ride and they don't use up a whole lot of electricity anyway.

E-bike and Electric-Scooter are better improvement made over the manual, even though i never had a taste of one before but i think it will offer a suitable usage with the use to cover a short distance and also go on a long distance provided there's a timer indicator for the energy in reserve to be sufficient enough to cover up for the distance. Also, having it operating in both manual and automatic mode will be effective whereby one can switch if the power is low to manual which can make their usage more effective.

[aysg76]

This is an interesting thing to share the views upon as the gas prices has been grown to reluctant levels to double digits EV's are becoming the top priority of many people around the corner and this market is growing at really unexpected levels in almost every country.We could see there are some pros and cons related with these categories of e-scooter,bikes and cars but more problems could be there of small bikes.

They are currently operational in many countries and the number is growing continuously like in the US, Germany, Belgium and all other parts and these pictures are common to see in some developed countries where people or say at this time most of the teenagers are seen riding these e-scooters on thr streets :

If you wish to find out for each country then here is really helpful guide for you all to study: E- scooters around the world

But what are the problems related with it :

1) As above said there are safety issues concerning them because you need to have balance over them and not enough Strong to pushback any outside force like hitting of the vehicle from any side

2) The top speed is mostly limited to 20mph and you can't go on for long trips on them which is another drawback.

3) The seperate lanes for them needs to be developed so they can travel hastle free as there are other vehicles in which they cannot roam around easily.

4) The battery exhaust after few trips and you need to charge them as they don't have any long life and needs replacements

5) Suitable for single rider only

But there are positive aspects also for these rides which we all know like :

1) Cheap cost then our traditional vehicles running on gas

2) Maintenance costs and their size is small which is much beneficial for them to ride upon.

3) Your health remains fit if you are riding these small scooters across the street.

Talking about the global share then these are biggest players involved in this market or say investors which have big share in them :



This market is way beyond than what we are expecting it to be and the returns or say CAGR is expected to grow at much bigger level than what we have anticipated.

The eScooter market will worth nearly $41.98 billion by 2030, as per the study by Grand View Research Inc. Due to this rise, the market will face a boom in CAGR by 8.5%.

As per a report, the global sales of electric scooters and bicycles are expected to reach 129 million units by 2028. In 2019, the electric scooters sales was near 46.89 44.39, which grew to 50 in 2020. This gradual growth tells us the incessantly growing demand for the eScooter services

The expected growth is at this level :

Source: E-scooter trends

But still there needs to be wide adoption but keeping in mind various factors we could say that EV cars would be in much use as all the major players like Ford,Tesla,Audi and others will develop more sustainable cars for the future maybe alternate to electricity also but the need of hour can help us with these scooters so if you wish to have one it's worth it.

[Synchronice]

In the United States, I think there shouldn't be oil problems and Gas Prices should be lower because actually, they have 264 billion barrels of oil reserves.
I can't imagine living in the United States without owning a car at the moment. Some people are so far from work, they need hour of auto ride in order to arrive at job, so, Electric Scooter can't be an alternative for a lot of Americans.

The USA should have invested money in public transport if they want to dump the demand on oil, it's better for the society in general. Public transportation is clean, safe, inexpensive, effective and in some European countries, it's even faster than auto.

[Kakmakr]

Well, I am all for anything that will give a middle finger to these Oil b@stards!

I bought a small 125cc motorbike for city commute a while ago, but it is so scary to drive in our city... because people drive like obsessed maniacs... so I gave up on that idea. https://www.ktm.com/en-si/models/naked-bike/ktm-125-duke-2022.html  - FUEL CONSUMPTION   2.42 l/100 km

It is almost impossible to drive with the small e-scooters on our roads here, because you will die within the first week. (Nobody are even attempting it, even though it is the cheapest way to get from point A to B)  

The most fuel efficient motorcycles : https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/evaluation/economic_motorcycles.html

[Mometaskers]

Those scooters look a bit flimsy for me. Most e-bikes in my country have about the same build as a motorbike though they apparently tend to be slower. I don't see people using them on freeways and major roads often though.

I suppose these are better if you got your own solarpanels to charge them at home (tugging along panels seems clumsy). Especially if the electricity cost in your country is high as well.

[LoyceMobile]

You're from the US, right? That means you have no idea what high gas prices are....

Here, I see those scooters on the roads more often nowadays, but they're not road legal. So they can get a fine, aren't insured, but much worse: they're not very safe. I've driven 2 wheel vehicles at much higher speeds, but those small wheels alone look terrible when there's a hole in the road. I wouldn't dare drive this amongst heavy car traffic.

[cheezcarls]

I’ve already owned a standing e-scooter in which I’ve bought it for $300 at a local mall. The funny thing is that I only used it like 3 to 4 times but regularly charging it at home for at least once a month for little maintenance.

The main reason why I’ve bought the e-scooter is because of the then-restrictions of the COVID-19 pandemic that doesn’t permit PUVs (jeepneys, taxis, tricycles, etc.) from roaming around picking up passengers.

I could have sold it to another buyer because I only used it few times, but I was having second thoughts without any specific reason at all. I just felt that I still need it just in case the COVID-19 strict restrictions for PUVs are back again in the future.

Now that the oil prices are rising thanks to the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine, maybe there’s a reason why I kept this for so long. Next week, the oil price hike in the Philippines will be painful in our pockets, so it’s time for me to use my e-scooter frequently.

[Beerwizzard]

Even if people massively switch to scooters they would still feel the overall inflation from gas prices because they still have a serious impact on supply chains. And since prices are pumped not because of demand burst, gas wouldn't go lower even if everyone switch to bicycles.

Also, gas prices are mainly going to be an american problem due to poor public transport. In Europe people already using alternative transport.

[Erumo]

I have Xiaomi m365 electric scooter. This is a great alternative to high gas prices, but only during summer, late spring and beginning of autumn. It is very demanding to road coverage (easy to puncture tire). It has no shock absorbers, so you hands and spine will feel every rock, hole you hit. It is good when need to travel for a short distance from place A to place B. But as soon as you need to move something or take with you, I would say that you will have to think about what you will carry in bag, and what you will leave at home. Electric scooters are more fun, than a real alternative to transport. Bicycle is more universal.

[Ultegra134]

While it's not a bad idea, it certainly not a great one either. I can detect many disadvantages, first and foremost, it can only be used inside the city, it cannot replace the need of having a car, which is required for longer distances. Secondly, drivers certainly don't pay much attention to motorbikes or actual even actual scooters, let alone an electric one, which doesn't even generate engine noise in order to be heard.

Especially electric bicycles, can be a lot more versatile in terms of moving cargo around, are worth their money, both can replace the need of fueling inside urban areas, while they're not that expensive to buy.

[AmoreJaz]

While it's not a bad idea, it certainly not a great one either. I can detect many disadvantages, first and foremost, it can only be used inside the city, it cannot replace the need of having a car, which is required for longer distances. Secondly, drivers certainly don't pay much attention to motorbikes or actual even actual scooters, let alone an electric one, which doesn't even generate engine noise in order to be heard.

Especially electric bicycles, can be a lot more versatile in terms of moving cargo around, are worth their money, both can replace the need of fueling inside urban areas, while they're not that expensive to buy.

i prefer electric bicycles as well. at least with this, you can sit and you can as well carry a passenger/cargo much easier. it is safer also as compared to e-scooters. anyway, it depends on your activity for the day. some may find easier to use e-scooter if they are just going to short distances without carrying anything. but if you need to go a lil bit far and carry some stuffs, electric bicycle is preferred.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

While it's not a bad idea, it certainly not a great one either. I can detect many disadvantages, first and foremost, it can only be used inside the city, it cannot replace the need of having a car, which is required for longer distances. Secondly, drivers certainly don't pay much attention to motorbikes or actual even actual scooters, let alone an electric one, which doesn't even generate engine noise in order to be heard.

Especially electric bicycles, can be a lot more versatile in terms of moving cargo around, are worth their money, both can replace the need of fueling inside urban areas, while they're not that expensive to buy.

i prefer electric bicycles as well. at least with this, you can sit and you can as well carry a passenger/cargo much easier. it is safer also as compared to e-scooters. anyway, it depends on your activity for the day. some may find easier to use e-scooter if they are just going to short distances without carrying anything. but if you need to go a lil bit far and carry some stuffs, electric bicycle is preferred.

I guess those electric bicycles that can be seen mostly in Asian countries are not yet widespread in the US that's why they prefer electric scooter.

I have both but I do agree that I want to used my electric bicycles more than my scooter. One advantage as well is that when you travel at night. I customized by e-bicycles to have more lights so that motorist can see me. As compare to scooter that I didn't and the mileage that I can go with the bike. But both of them are very useful to me.