[BOXING] George Kambosos vs Devin Haney - Undisputed Lightweight Title - June 5

[bbc.reporter]

@Boafeng, @bisdak and other boxing fans and experts in this thread. It appears Devin Haney's father who is also his head trainer has not been given a visa to enter to Australia and he will not be in Devin's corner for the fight. How much will this negatively impact Devin Haney's performance in the ring? Is there now presently an argument to bet on the underdog who is also fighting in front of his own country? On a more skeptical question, will the judges in Australia judge this in favor of Kambosos if the fight is very close?



Devin Haney hits the road for the biggest fight of his young career without his primary team in tow.

Travel plans for the WBC lightweight titlist will not include the company of his father and head trainer, Bill Haney who was not permitted to go through customs for their trip to Australia. The elder Haney was denied entry due to a prior conviction holding up his visa application, forcing Devin Haney to literally fly solo en route to Melbourne ahead of his June 5 undisputed lightweight championship clash with lineal/WBA/IBF/WBO champ George Kambosos Jr.

Source https://www.boxingscene.com/bill-haney-not-permitted-travel-australia-yoel-judah-lead-devin-haneys-corner-kambosos-fight--166321

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[Kasabus]

That was tough for Haney, thanks for sharing the news and I think it's a big loss on the part of Haney. However, he has to be tough and try to beat Kambosos on his home country and make sure that he will win convincingly because speaking of judges, they'll surely favor their own.

With this present news, I still don't change my prediction, I still believe Haney will win.

[Yaunfitda]

That was tough for Haney, thanks for sharing the news and I think it's a big loss on the part of Haney. However, he has to be tough and try to beat Kambosos on his home country and make sure that he will win convincingly because speaking of judges, they'll surely favor their own.

With this present news, I still don't change my prediction, I still believe Haney will win.

I do agree, it will be very tough for the younger Haney to go alone and fight in a foreign land. However, this is going to be a good chance for him to proved that he has what it takes to be a champion despite this kind of adversities. So I don't think it will have a negative effect on the odds, it will still be Haney as the favorite to win this match.

[Baofeng]

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Source https://www.boxingscene.com/bill-haney-not-permitted-travel-australia-yoel-judah-lead-devin-haneys-corner-kambosos-fight--166321

Of course it will have a effect on Devin Haney as his father has guided him to many fights and this is the biggest. Nevertheless he will have Yoel Judah to guide him, so for sure they have set up a game plan and have communicated everything that they need to do in this fight. As for the judges, I don't want to speculate, on it, everything is on Haney's hand if he doesn't want the fight goes to the judges decision.

[Boristhecat]

@Boafeng, @bisdak and other boxing fans and experts in this thread. It appears Devin Haney's father who is also his head trainer has not been given a visa to enter to Australia and he will not be in Devin's corner for the fight. How much will this negatively impact Devin Haney's performance in the ring? Is there now presently an argument to bet on the underdog who is also fighting in front of his own country? On a more skeptical question, will the judges in Australia judge this in favor of Kambosos if the fight is very close?

Devin Haney hits the road for the biggest fight of his young career without his primary team in tow.

Travel plans for the WBC lightweight titlist will not include the company of his father and head trainer, Bill Haney who was not permitted to go through customs for their trip to Australia. The elder Haney was denied entry due to a prior conviction holding up his visa application, forcing Devin Haney to literally fly solo en route to Melbourne ahead of his June 5 undisputed lightweight championship clash with lineal/WBA/IBF/WBO champ George Kambosos Jr.

Source https://www.boxingscene.com/bill-haney-not-permitted-travel-australia-yoel-judah-lead-devin-haneys-corner-kambosos-fight--166321

When I heard about this news, I immediately thought that the reason is some kind of insane vaccination requirements that Australia has already become famous for. But this time, the reasons are different. I wonder why this happened? It seems that such issues are easily settled by the organizers. I hope he gets a visa so that the fight takes place without any underlying reason in the best possible way.

[inthelongrun]

@Boafeng, @bisdak and other boxing fans and experts in this thread. It appears Devin Haney's father who is also his head trainer has not been given a visa to enter to Australia and he will not be in Devin's corner for the fight. How much will this negatively impact Devin Haney's performance in the ring? Is there now presently an argument to bet on the underdog who is also fighting in front of his own country? On a more skeptical question, will the judges in Australia judge this in favor of Kambosos if the fight is very close?

Devin Haney hits the road for the biggest fight of his young career without his primary team in tow.

Travel plans for the WBC lightweight titlist will not include the company of his father and head trainer, Bill Haney who was not permitted to go through customs for their trip to Australia. The elder Haney was denied entry due to a prior conviction holding up his visa application, forcing Devin Haney to literally fly solo en route to Melbourne ahead of his June 5 undisputed lightweight championship clash with lineal/WBA/IBF/WBO champ George Kambosos Jr.

Source https://www.boxingscene.com/bill-haney-not-permitted-travel-australia-yoel-judah-lead-devin-haneys-corner-kambosos-fight--166321

When I heard about this news, I immediately thought that the reason is some kind of insane vaccination requirements that Australia has already become famous for. But this time, the reasons are different. I wonder why this happened? It seems that such issues are easily settled by the organizers. I hope he gets a visa so that the fight takes place without any underlying reason in the best possible way.

True. I kind of disagree on not giving Devin's dad a visa when he already served his term. But I do not really know Australia's law with regards to this.

Will it affect Devin Haney? Personally, yes. Devin is just 23 years old. While he is gifted with amazing skills, the kid haven't been tested in deep waters yet. This is his biggest fight of his life. And he is not the main man here, he is like the challenger here with his lone WBC belt while Kambosos holds the other 3 plus the The Ring belt. If Kambosos will try to bully him in the coming promotional conferences and the weigh-in then it will mentally affect the visiting young kid. And I believe Kambosos was already waging the mental war since their negotiation period. The moment Devin Haney will hear more than 50,000 Australians cheering for their champion will demoralize this kid. And in difficult times, his dad won't be in his side.       

With regards to the judges and referees. They should not be Australians. They will be appointed either or both by the Australian boxing commission, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO or the promoters. But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.       

[Maslate]

But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.       

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

[Yaunfitda]

But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.       

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

Well we can only speculate as to why his father is not given a visa assuming that the Victorian government wanted to 'protect' their boxers in George Kambosos. If this is the case then maybe a lot of Australian visitors have been denied their visa as well? I'm not saying that their is some political or other motive behind, but this is a high boxing fight and they should have at least given Devin's Haney father a change and make the fight in even terms. For me Kambosos already score round 1 here.

[stadus]

But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.       

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

[Sanitough]

But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.       

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

Maybe you are right, but Kambasos has the power to hurt Haney as he surprised us already during his fight with Lopez. Haney is maybe a more technical fighter but no fighter would survive in the ring if he is hit by a solid punch coming from a heavy hitter fighter. The odds say that Haney is the favorite, but it's different when they are already in the ring, and since Kambasos is fighting in his home country, that makes him more motivated to win.

[TimeTeller]

But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.       

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

Maybe you are right, but Kambasos has the power to hurt Haney as he surprised us already during his fight with Lopez. Haney is maybe a more technical fighter but no fighter would survive in the ring if he is hit by a solid punch coming from a heavy hitter fighter. The odds say that Haney is the favorite, but it's different when they are already in the ring, and since Kambasos is fighting in his home country, that makes him more motivated to win.

We have seen a lot of upsets in boxing, so no surprise if this one will turn out to be one.
A home advantage is seen also to be one of the factors that may contribute for Kambosos win.
But we want to see a clear and honest fight of course. We don't want to see boxing fans doubting the judges' decision.
As much as possible a KO will give us assurance that the fight is not rigged or any of that sort.

[btc_angela]

But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.       

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

It's up to the judges, not sure who they are, of if they are going to be pure Australians, but hopefully it's not, at least the organizations should fly judges that are fair and not biased so that there will be no home cook decision just like in the Horn vs Pacman fight years ago. Otherwise, it will be an black eye for Australian boxing if they keep doing this in big fights and they might get a ban and can't make a good fight in their country again.

[YuginKadoya]

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

Well, many have put oil on the fire, that is why it was very controversial some analyses say that Jeff Horn really won some rounds but not the fight, because what many thinks is Manny Pacquiao really won the fight, some would surely want to sue those judges, and wants to know those judges names because they think this is robbery in Pacman's side, and they really think that this is Jeff Horn's crib and many people there would really want a Jeff Horn to win and Manny Pacquiao is a very good target from that time, but I guess the judges want to see the punching power of Pacman the once that beat Érik Morales, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, those fights Pacquiao still has that punching power, but in the previous Pacman they will never see it because he is never the same back then,

Well in Kambosos and Haney's fight if the advantage goes to Haney and Kambosos won, then a fighter would think twice to fight in that place, they will surely have problems in fighting knowing what happened, I think that is what may happen because of the history,

[Distinctin]

But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.       

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

It's up to the judges, not sure who they are, of if they are going to be pure Australians, but hopefully it's not, at least the organizations should fly judges that are fair and not biased so that there will be no home cook decision just like in the Horn vs Pacman fight years ago. Otherwise, it will be an black eye for Australian boxing if they keep doing this in big fights and they might get a ban and can't make a good fight in their country again.

Certainly, there are still lots of people who have not forgotten what happened back that day when Pacquaio got robbed in that fight.
On the same note, people will watch this Kambosos-Haney fight as well as the whole boxing organization if there will be some biased judgment but they are also hoping that this time it will be a clean and fair fight.

[erep]

Certainly, there are still lots of people who have not forgotten what happened back that day when Pacquaio got robbed in that fight.
On the same note, people will watch this Kambosos-Haney fight as well as the whole boxing organization if there will be some biased judgment but they are also hoping that this time it will be a clean and fair fight.

In every boxing match there should be strict rules for fair judges, because maybe some viewers or television viewers can count every punch during the match, but if the judge has set for victory to a certain boxer then the match will damage the reputation for every boxing sport. Judges must play a more prudent and fair role for all boxers and do not discriminate for away boxers or not.

[robelneo]

I just stumbled on this and this is something unexpected but the most important man in Haney's corner his father, and his manager Bill Haney, will not be allowed entry to Australia because of a drug conviction he had served 30 years ago.

They are working to get him entry they are still time left but it could have an impact on Haney's performance which is the biggest fight of his life if they will not allow the older Haney.

It turned out that the elder Haney was not allowed to board the plane to go to Australia because of a drug conviction for which he served time in the early 1990s. Australian visa laws make it difficult for those with a criminal record who have been behind bars for 12 months to be granted entrance into the country.

Arum on Bill Haney Australian Visa Denial Ahead of Kambosos Fight

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well, the truth is, Kambosos could start with a good strategy that would be to give a KO, but I think it is a very risky strategy, because he will spend a lot of energy and I know that he can do it, but Haney has a very good preparation, and also one of the main characteristics of it is resistance.

If we focus on the physical characteristics and the styles of the boxers we see that there is a combination of styles that, if they had each one, would be even more complete.

That is exactly why I want these kind of match-up because these boxers are the kind who wouldn't take an easy defeat as they are both eager and willing to give their best shot in-order to have a sure win no matter what would cost them. I just surely hope this will be a clean fight though.

Either way, both boxers shouldn't be complacent to each other because they are both capable of giving a knockout punch. But on this fight, I won't deny that I'm with Haney.

I would like to have an idea of some kind of advantage that either of the two boxers could have in this fight, for me Kambosos has explosiveness and that at any moment he can give everything and have little resistance, that is where I think Haney will have all the advantage, because if he manages to contain everything from Kambosos it could be the best of all scenarios.

I have not seen the bets for this fight and I really do not want to see them yet, at least until May 28 that the fighters have shown something about themselves, their training or any other advance, to have an idea of what they are prepared for, so I can have a better judgement.

They both have their own advantages as well as the disadvantage side, that's why we are seeing Haney showing his training to the media in hopes that they could set a trap on Kambosos camp because it's also expected that the latter's camp will use that video to study his movements. But I think Haney's camp have another goal that's why they revealed their training on the media, to think it's very unlikely to see some scenario like that. It's up to them on who will be the smarter one and that would have more chance in winning the fight.

That is what surprises me, I don't know if he does it to show that he is not afraid or is too confident, but I think all this is about his same strategy, he doesn't want to hide anything, I don't know if maybe after him training that he does for everyone, he concentrates on his own and begins a much rougher, stronger training that demands a lot from his body and when he shows his training it is only a kind of warm-up with medium-effort exercises to enter with the intense, not I know, that occurs to me, because if I could do it, I would do it without thinking about it, with that my body becomes much stronger and by resisting all that stress, it is prepared for any type of blow.

[bbc.reporter]

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Source https://www.boxingscene.com/bill-haney-not-permitted-travel-australia-yoel-judah-lead-devin-haneys-corner-kambosos-fight--166321

Of course it will have a effect on Devin Haney as his father has guided him to many fights and this is the biggest. Nevertheless he will have Yoel Judah to guide him, so for sure they have set up a game plan and have communicated everything that they need to do in this fight. As for the judges, I don't want to speculate, on it, everything is on Haney's hand if he doesn't want the fight goes to the judges decision.

I change my pick for this fight hehe. I was watching some of Kambosos highlights and also some highlights of Haney. It appears Haney is not very good in using the philly shell. I reckon Kambosos' left hook after the double jab will be there for Haney's head when he leans to his side heheheeh. This fight might become unpredictable after round 3 with a small advantage for Kambosos. Also, Haney is only 23 years old. He might not take the stress of fighting in Australia very well without Bill Haney with him.

[Smartprofit]

Devin Haney is in a very combative mood right now.  He set himself the ambitious goal of defeating George Kambosos twice.  In this case, the fights will take place in Australia (in the homeland of George). 

Devin Haney is a great fighter.  He is called the second Floyd Mayweather (they have similar fighting styles).  Devin Haney dreams of the glory of the legendary boxer and millions of dollars.  He is an incredibly ambitious person.  Devin is an incredibly talented boxer, and with each fight he progresses, perfecting his fighting style. 

This young boxer has a very extensive arsenal of striking techniques.  He successfully uses both jabs and uppercuts.  He is also incredibly mobile and easily increases the distance with a partner. 

In my opinion, he will win the fight with George Kambosos.  In any case, a very interesting battle awaits us on June 5!

[Sanitough]

But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.       

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

Maybe you are right, but Kambasos has the power to hurt Haney as he surprised us already during his fight with Lopez. Haney is maybe a more technical fighter but no fighter would survive in the ring if he is hit by a solid punch coming from a heavy hitter fighter. The odds say that Haney is the favorite, but it's different when they are already in the ring, and since Kambasos is fighting in his home country, that makes him more motivated to win.

We have seen a lot of upsets in boxing, so no surprise if this one will turn out to be one.
A home advantage is seen also to be one of the factors that may contribute for Kambosos win.
But we want to see a clear and honest fight of course. We don't want to see boxing fans doubting the judges' decision.
As much as possible a KO will give us assurance that the fight is not rigged or any of that sort.

KO result is the only way to ensure that the fight is fair, when it comes to the judges, not everyone will approve of their decision because we are also biased as a fan. I don't know if we can expect an honest judging in this fight if it goes to the scorecards because we know that Pacman was once cheated in this country.