PRIMEDICE weak self-exclusion system

[Eureka_07]

Blocking the IP will not work, because a person can simply get a burner phone through a new Service provider and he will be set to go... and I have seen some hard-core gambling addicts going to extreme methods to keep on gambling. (VPNs...etc)
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I do believe that blocking the IP will still work somehow as the user's IP is prohibited to access the site, unless, the user made a little effort to change the IP address of his device, or even change a device with different IP.
I don't know if it is possible in PrimeDice to block a device or IP, but I'm pretty sure that it can be done, so probably if Prime wants to prevent something like this after a self-exclusion it would be better (for their users that wanted to be excluded out of their casino). But it isn't the casinos fault still.

I'm pretty sure if the OP profited from going back on gambling after self-exclusion, there would be no topic like this today. It is still your fault OP

[TGD]

The problem is not the PrimeDice, the problem is within you. If you really want to stop gambling you should help yourself not to play again or seek professional if you really can't control it and upon checking the PrimeDice policy about Self-exclusion here's what I found:

You should not attempt or proceed to open any new accounts during your self-exclusion period, or indefinitely if a permanent self-exclusion has been selected.

of course the problem is with me, that's why it's called a gambling problem, in any case, the idea is not to accuse anyone, but to see the possibility of improving the self-exclusion system

There's no way to improve it if the customer is the one who's violating there terms just to play. You will keep finding other solution just to play. I understand how you feel because I've been there many times, Resorting to blaming is what people with addiction is always doing to satisfy there depression. PD knows what the heck they are doing hence they create that ToS to protect them for user like you. You should keep away on your computer and do more social activities to relax and calm your mind. It seems you have a fat ass wallet you got there for spending such amount. Sorry for your loss and let's leave together the forum once again.  

[TheGreatPython]

This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

That would be crazy if you think this way. You lose the amount all by yourself and now you are hoping that they will recover it? They don't force you to play again but it was you that requested it. How sure you are that the time for your self exclusion is already over? Because, why they won't return your primary account? It is fine if they will block the newly created account as long as the given sessions are done, that is to prevent you from becoming an addicted gambler.

Primedice is doing a good job there, they are strictly following their self exclusion system but if you really want to, there are still other gambling sites that you can play apart from primedice.

[Fortify]

Hello, I have been betting for a long time, and a few months ago I realized that I have problems to stop doing it.

I decided that the best way to stop was to request self-exclusion from the sites I was betting on.

I got to self-exclude myself from primedice, the problem is that after a while, I relapsed and wanted to bet again, and primedice let me create a new account, and bet again. this time, i lost 21600 xrp and a bit of some other coins

This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

Greetings to everybody and thanks

Honestly, many cryptocurrency based gambling sites are pretty terrible at self exclusion, so you may need to find other barriers to entry - possibly even converting any cryptocurrency you have remaining into fiat and closing any existing exchange accounts you might have, if that's how you were funding your account. You'll need to be extra strong and wary against gambling, compared to much more regulated site in the fiat money space. Crypto is still a bit of a wild west in that respect, which is tough for a gambler, but you have to try to find other forms of entertainment or other activities that will keep you preoccupied, preferably free so you don't find another money pit hobby.

[bitbollo]

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Allow me to give you some advices.
create cold-wallets that are difficult to access (buried under the soil and miles away from where you live + with multi-signature and other hard procedures to unlock the funds).

tackle the problems of the game, because today you have created an account on primedice, tomorrow you could simply use a new site vanishing all the efforts and requests you have made to them.

it's too easy to bypass an IP address block. and it's true many cryptocurrency based gambling sites are pretty terrible at self exclusion due "anonymity". unfortunately I believe that the only effective method is the one used by some casinos which clearly require KYC.
They allow you to set gambling limits that cannot be changed in a short time and block the creation of double accounts.
Unfortunately, we all know very well that the industry cannot regulate itself...you have to find the way to avoid these problems

[AmoreJaz]

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Allow me to give you some advices.
create cold-wallets that are difficult to access (buried under the soil and miles away from where you live + with multi-signature and other hard procedures to unlock the funds).

tackle the problems of the game, because today you have created an account on primedice, tomorrow you could simply use a new site vanishing all the efforts and requests you have made to them.

it's too easy to bypass an IP address block. and it's true many cryptocurrency based gambling sites are pretty terrible at self exclusion due "anonymity". unfortunately I believe that the only effective method is the one used by some casinos which clearly require KYC.
They allow you to set gambling limits that cannot be changed in a short time and block the creation of double accounts.
Unfortunately, we all know very well that the industry cannot regulate itself...you have to find the way to avoid these problems

the bottomline, it is the user himself that is in control of this situation. these casinos would allow the creation of a new account as you need to consider that they don't know who is creating the account. even if it is the same IP, who knows, it maybe your brother, sister or anyone using your IP? it is not their responsibility to ban the IP but usually they are relying on player's account. so if you create a new one, that's not their problem anymore. you can't accuse them of having weak self-exclusion system. it is the other way around, you failed yourself to change the path away from gambling. in this scenario, it is the gambler himself who is in control of the situation.
if you badly want to change your lifestyle, maybe seek professional help instead of blaming the casino's system.

[Ulven]

Hello, I have been betting for a long time, and a few months ago I realized that I have problems to stop doing it.

I decided that the best way to stop was to request self-exclusion from the sites I was betting on.

If you feel that you are still addicted, you can play with the amount you do not regret if you lose. And do not try to chase the loss because it will make you lose a lot of money. Self-exclusion is effective if you have the desire to leave the world of gambling, but if you only have a momentary desire, I think you need psychological counseling to avoid this crisis!!!

[Hamphser]

The problem is not the PrimeDice, the problem is within you. If you really want to stop gambling you should help yourself not to play again or seek professional if you really can't control it and upon checking the PrimeDice policy about Self-exclusion here's what I found:

You should not attempt or proceed to open any new accounts during your self-exclusion period, or indefinitely if a permanent self-exclusion has been selected.

This is actually a personal kind of problem and not on Primedice.It is really very common for someone who do have addiction problems on pointing out their fingers into the house that they do have bad exclusion

system or other things which they could blame them off specially if they had lost big or huge amount of money.They had requested it, so it would really be just be part of yourself on having that control

on not to play even more or further because if you do then there's no other to be blamed off but only yourself and not the company or sites or platform.

[Desmong]

The problem comes from you not the primedice responsibility. Since you decided to close the account and explain the reason behind your decision, so why did you go back when you know that you are an addict already? I think the best thing you can do for now is to look for ways to work on yourself to prevent further reoccurrence. Is never easy to control oneself when the addition of gambling is already beneath us. Get a cancellor that can work on your weakness.

[Fatunad]

This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

Greetings to everybody and thanks

IP blocks is pointless for them to do so and here's why.

1. User could still make use of VPN
2. Some ISP does have that dynamic IP's

Which you could really still able to make out some access whenever you do really like to play.
So its a personal problem which needs to be solved out first.

[boyptc]

I've seen the same as you that have used that feature.

But honestly, whether it's in primedice or any other dice sites or casino that has this feature. Seriously guys, it's all on you that has to control yourself when it comes to gambling.

You're the one that must be responsible for your action and you did the thing, deposited and gambled. And then now that you probably have no longer funds to gamble again.

The complain goes on.

Do something that you're going to avoid gambling anymore so that you won't lose that much.

[decodx]

The problem comes from you not the primedice responsibility. Since you decided to close the account and explain the reason behind your decision, so why did you go back when you know that you are an addict already?

You have no real clue what the word "addiction" really means. If it was that simple, then why would we need self-exclusion systems?

Get a cancellor that can work on your weakness.

Cancellor? Is that chancellor? Or is it counselor? Or is it a councilor?

[stomachgrowls]

No matter how good their self exclusions would be but if you are the ones who are severely addicted with gambling games then it would be still all useless since you would really be playing once again.
Not might be on the same site but it would be on other site as long you could able to follow your urge in gambling then it would really be just on the same story which is something not surprising.
Reasoning like this is pretty common on where they really blame out when they lost money but the community would really be just having the same thoughts and reactions that this is on someones
fault and not theirs.

[Doell]

I have a suggestion for you @OP, should find a psychiatrist because it's not a trivial matter, it concerns your psychic. Not also linked to a gambling account, one day you will gamble again even on a different website if you don't find a solution for your own desires. Not an easy thing indeed because you're to addicted, without you knowing it will come back someday.

[Naficopa]

Hello, I have been betting for a long time, and a few months ago I realized that I have problems to stop doing it.

I decided that the best way to stop was to request self-exclusion from the sites I was betting on.

I got to self-exclude myself from primedice, the problem is that after a while, I relapsed and wanted to bet again, and primedice let me create a new account, and bet again. this time, i lost 21600 xrp and a bit of some other coins




This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

Greetings to everybody and thanks

It all depends on what arguments you used to convince Primebit to let you create a new account with the same IP address.
Each casino has its own internal procedures which should directly comply with the law of the country where it is registered.
If you've bypassed these security, then the casino cannot be blamed, it is simply the law that governs it.
I am afraid that it will be impossible to recover the money, but it is good that you write about it here, because maybe it will help someone else to avoid similar situation and losses.

[Vaskiy]

I have a suggestion for you @OP, should find a psychiatrist because it's not a trivial matter, it concerns your psychic. Not also linked to a gambling account, one day you will gamble again even on a different website if you don't find a solution for your own desires. Not an easy thing indeed because you're to addicted, without you knowing it will come back someday.

Rather than a psychiatrist it is good to share what is in your mind with someone who stands with you on your ups and downs. Because, we gamble when we're in need of money. This is what happened with me, and I try loss everything. Once again I find a way to deposit and go to recover the lost funds. This takes place continuously. Finally I shared it and they understood my money requirement. Now I wasn't that addicted to spend by depositing funds out of loans.

[24Kt]

I have a suggestion for you @OP, should find a psychiatrist because it's not a trivial matter, it concerns your psychic. Not also linked to a gambling account, one day you will gamble again even on a different website if you don't find a solution for your own desires. Not an easy thing indeed because you're to addicted, without you knowing it will come back someday.

Rather than a psychiatrist it is good to share what is in your mind with someone who stands with you on your ups and downs. Because, we gamble when we're in need of money. This is what happened with me, and I try loss everything. Once again I find a way to deposit and go to recover the lost funds. This takes place continuously. Finally I shared it and they understood my money requirement. Now I wasn't that addicted to spend by depositing funds out of loans.

This is a good insight from someone who really did experience the same. Maybe, what he needs is indeed someone to talk to. Not a psychiatrist. But if in case, nothing comes up despite of talking to someone close to him, maybe, it is high time to ask for professional assistance. There's nothing wrong admitting that you have a gambling problem because that's the first step. Acceptance.

But anyway, good to know that Vaskiy resolved his gambling addiction. After you surpass that trial, you already know what to do in case you are heading to that direction again especially if you are promoting a casino. 

[Maus0728]

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IP blocks is pointless for them to do so and here's why.

1. User could still make use of VPN
2. Some ISP does have that dynamic IP's

Which you could really still able to make out some access whenever you do really like to play.
So its a personal problem which needs to be solved out first.

No gamblers would even dare use VPN if they would gamble huge sums of money and be a casual player on a certain platform as most platforms discourages the use of VPNs to its users. Even if his ISP uses dynamic IP, a website blocking his IP will block all of the users with the same IP -- which has only a small chance that other players plays online gambling or the same gambling platform. Effective? Kinda. BUT never pointless.

I agree that it is a personal problem, but the OP's just suggesting an initiative from the platforms to help fight gambling addiction for those with certain factors such as: doesn't have enough confidence to reach others (friends or therapists) for help or doesn't have enough money to hire professionals for such matters (which kinda ironic but some still is).

Unpopular opinion: this is an issue that not just a person addicted to gambling should fix, but also for those platforms who've been entertaining enough for them making it hard for them to self-exclude. Why? Because having a self-exclusion system simply means they care about the health of their players towards their services. Ways to ban a certain person is to either block an IP, use cookies and cache to store that such user is undergoing self-exclusion, or have a system that reminds such person to have a limit to gamble per day that decreases from time to time with days of break in between.

[jrrsparkles]

Hello, I have been betting for a long time, and a few months ago I realized that I have problems to stop doing it.

I decided that the best way to stop was to request self-exclusion from the sites I was betting on.

I got to self-exclude myself from primedice, the problem is that after a while, I relapsed and wanted to bet again, and primedice let me create a new account, and bet again. this time, i lost 21600 xrp and a bit of some other coins


This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

Greetings to everybody and thanks

Self exclusion doesn't contribute much because in reality its is not that hard to bypass the barriers we have, even if a gambling site blocks you in all the way the user can simply move to a new gambling site to satisfy his gambling urge so the root cause is our addiction and it has to be resolved depends on how much we are addicted to it

To be honest if you are at the extreme level then its time to take the rehabilitation courses which maybe effective than DIY methods.

[Reatim]

the first Post you created in this forum after account creation is another problem from this site

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206291.msg59016295#msg59016295

but upon checking seems like your points are valid and yes you can continue your problem with that site.

and now here in Primedice in which one of the oldest casino here in crypto, while this is literally your problem as you are addicted, sometimes gambling site don't focus on your exclusion because they knew that you will do the best depositing and playing again, so i think this is both party's problem here , you as an addict and them as late in reactions .