Alt possibilities for 4 high rank accounts

[English Patrol Scuad]

I have very basic suspicions about 4 high ranking accounts after watching their activity for a long time in one of the threads on the gambling board.

Here's a list of accounts:

• Republikcoin.com
• Lantind
• bestcoins1
• Davian144

I noticed the posting styles of these 4 accounts had the same thing in common when posting image, and it made me think they were owned by the same person. They are Indonesian users based on the language used in the posting history and if they are alt then they have also abused the merit system based on their merit transaction history.

I need some input and maybe some more valid proof from yours to determine if they are alt or not as every image they upload have have identical serial numbers at the end which is usually just a sequence of screenshot numbers on the same device. This is evidence from their last 5 image posts.

All quotes taken in one thread: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

https://i.ibb.co/Xbyq98H/Screenshot-36.jpg

^{Image Source: gpnews.ig}

https://i.postimg.cc/tCwQ5FTP/Screenshot-44.jpg

^{Image Source: MotoGp}

https://i.postimg.cc/vZsPHrtL/Screenshot-50.jpg

^{Image Source: insidemgp}

https://i.ibb.co/1zNF7b7/Screenshot-53.jpg

^{Image Source: insidemgp}

https://i.ibb.co/V9tbS3h/Screenshot-54.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/0XwD8nY/Screenshot-55.jpg

^{Image Source: MotoGp}

https://i.ibb.co/KX9vR9v/Screenshot-56.jpg

^{Image Source: MotoGp}

https://i.ibb.co/x1VXkY7/Screenshot-57.jpg

^{Image Source: MotoGp}

https://i.ibb.co/1fKdV6q/Screenshot-58.jpg https://i.ibb.co/2ZvPS8j/Screenshot-59.jpg https://i.ibb.co/qsnLZH7/Screenshot-60.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/vVL4fk6/Screenshot-61.jpg

^{Image Source: brake.gp}

https://i.ibb.co/hRb3qN9/Screenshot-62.jpg

^{Image Source: MotoGp}

https://i.ibb.co/Vjzmtcb/Screenshot-63.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/bd03T1H/Screenshot-64.jpg

^{Source: MotoGp}

https://i.ibb.co/7vCpXqL/Screenshot-65.jpg

^{Image Source: MotoGp}

https://i.ibb.co/QdrV93b/Screenshot-66.jpg

^{Image Source: MotoGp}

https://i.ibb.co/DY8Y4NP/Screenshot-67.jpg

^{Source: crashnet_motogp}

https://i.ibb.co/YTXsMz9/Screenshot-68.jpg

^{Image Source: insidemgp}

https://i.ibb.co/Gv40369/Screenshot-70.jpg

^{Image Source: insidemgp}

https://i.ibb.co/R393xXv/Screenshot-71.jpg

^{Image Source: MotoGp}

https://i.ibb.co/pJTC2MY/Screenshot-72.jpg

Pay attention to the screenshot numbers, very neatly arranged in each account. What is the percentage chance that they are alts in your opinion?

[logfiles]

They might be alts, which according to the forum rules is allowed. So, I don't think any DT member may tag the accounts on grounds that they are just alt accounts posting in gambling section or exchanging merits {at least in the past, accounts engaged in merit abuse have not been tagged}
But if you have any good proof showing that they for example cheated in signature campaigns, contests, involved in trust manipulations etc., Now might be the right time to add that.

[Poker Player]

I've been looking at their profiles and it doesn't seem so clear to me that Lantind is alt of the other two. Then, it is true that Republikcoin, bestcoins1 and Davian144 have given some merits to each other but the rest of the merits have been spread a lot among other members. So I don't see any merit abuse, and there is from theymos saying that the only relevant thing you should red tag regarding this would be for having bought or sold merit, which is hard to prove. Or something like that, I don't remember exactly but I can't find the quote just by googling.

I'm in DT and it doesn't seem worth even a neutral tag to me, unless they admit it. Davian144 and Lantind already have a relevant neutral tag for spammers.

Even if they were alts, they are part of different signature campaings, so they don't break the rules either.

[GeorgeJohn]

I think you would have posted this to the thread were users who is noted to commit crime of  cheating in bounty are posted, below are the link

Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2022 Q2) this link was render to you before by Bitcoin_Arena, so think this your finding will get more traffic or attention through this specific place

[suzanne5223]

If you want to accuse any user of using alt to abuse the merit system you'll need to provide a piece of strong evidence which i believe will be far more than posting style because people from the always have the same posting style and recommend by the above user.
I will advise you to post your claim in the Known Alts of any-one thread

[Mpamaegbu]

OP, it's more likely that your account is an alt too. We know it's almost impracticable for a newbie account to know how to hunt down alts when they haven't even got used to navigating the forum. With just seven posts to your credit you're already acting detective. How credible is that? Anyway, your suspicion of them being alts isn't concrete enough if what you've got on them is posting style coincidence. You've to provide strong and veritable evidence like wallet address connections and other formats used in the Known Alts of Any-one thread.

[_BlackStar]

They may be alt, but we can't do anything ^{[tag them]} except cheat the campaign and you can prove it with other findings like wallet connections, social media and more.

At this point the findings are quite important considering they are high ranking members, but it looks like you failed to get the attention of many people here to reveal them.

Pay attention to the screenshot numbers, very neatly arranged in each account. What is the percentage chance that they are alts in your opinion?

It's a bit suspicious actually, but I think it's still weak enough to draw conclusions without any other supporting evidence. If you have other evidence you can reveal it in a dedicated thread as some have suggested.

[Samrean]

Based on the OP investigation, we cannot claim these accounts as alts.

[English Patrol Scuad]

OP, it's more likely that your account is an alt too.

You're right, but when I don't blame him for anything, I don't think it's a problem. What you need to think about is the issue of the 4 high ranking accounts I've mentioned in this thread as most of you seem to only care about newbie scammers for shitt-token and worthless altcoin.

The thread you are referring to is actually for the proven guilty account, but this thread was specially created by me to identify those 4 accounts and will only post them there once there is solid evidence that they are cheating.


Here is some evidence that I will present for your further consideration:

Lantind had unusual merit transactions from 6 other accounts for 1 big transaction:
1. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=kenelmark [25 merit]
2. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=aryana42 [25 merit]
3. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=lukmandog [25 merit]
4. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=infarterr [21 merit]
5. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=Surrapatt [21 merit]
6. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=ahmia39 [21 merit]

and all of the 6 accounts above are alt tag by marlboroza. Some of them have been auto-ban and some still haven't. Then why don't I think Lantind is the alt of the 6 accounts above?

Proof: https://i.ibb.co/280WfQY/alt-acc.png


Then, 3 other accounts (Davian144, Republikcoin.com, and Bestcoins1) exchanged services and after this thread was created, the habit of posting pictures completely changed. None of them now have a serial number on the image so I think they really are the alt of the same owner.

I don't have much of a way to prove it, but YOSHIE, lovesmayfamilis and Awaklara or maybe Jolygood and some other cheat detector detector might help.

Here's some more evidence when the accounts applied to the campaign.

Two accounts (Davian166 and Bestcoins1) have applied to the same campaign: [CFNP]FortuneJack.com| Signature Campaign | Sr. Members+ ~ Earn up to $100/Week!

https://ninjastic.space/post/59288537
https://ninjastic.space/post/59294468


Then the change I mean now is that they don't post pictures that have serial numbers anymore. All accounts are now changed and most have edited it to remove traces.

https://i.imgur.com/OcGMEin.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Z0PI973.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/C3jBKlf.jpg

^{Image Source: gpzone.id}

https://i.ibb.co/W6FpVkH/Alexrins.jpg

^{Source: crashnet_motogp}

If indeed these 4 accounts are not alt and cheater and spammers, then why did everything change, edit and so on?

[_BlackStar]

OP, you can say they are alts and blame the merit system and campaign but you have to be aware that your efforts will be in vain without really accurate evidence.

I've PMed one of those accounts but he just ignored my PM when I asked about the possibility, and I don't think they're going to talk here. It would be nice if someone could invite them to clarify the situation in this thread. Either way then I think the problem will be solved if they clarify the situation because ignoring and snooping will only lead people to speculate further.

[Sarah Azhari]

All accounts are now changed and most have edited it to remove traces.

^{Image Source: gpzone.id}

^{Source: crashnet_motogp}

If indeed these 4 accounts are not alt and cheater and spammers, then why did everything change, edit and so on?

No hesitate, all of them exist on 1 person.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

They might be alts, which according to the forum rules is allowed. So, I don't think any DT member may tag the accounts on grounds that they are just alt accounts posting in gambling section or exchanging merits {at least in the past, accounts engaged in merit abuse have not been tagged}

Once upon a time I would tag accounts if I knew they were alts and I saw them having bizarre conversations with each other in the same thread, which I considered egregious spamming....and then the merit system came along, my blood pressure went down, and I'd no longer engage in that kind of tagging.  So yeah, I agree that if a bunch of accounts appear to be the same person but aren't enrolled in the same bounty/campaign, it's not an issue for DT members to take care of, as annoying as it might be.

OP, it's more likely that your account is an alt too. We know it's almost impracticable for a newbie account to know how to hunt down alts when they haven't even got used to navigating the forum. With just seven posts to your credit you're already acting detective.

Heh heh, well there's that too.  On the other hand, this isn't the first time I've seen new accounts kick off their bitcointalk career by trying to bust scammers.  That doesn't really raise any red flags IMO.

What you need to think about is the issue of the 4 high ranking accounts I've mentioned in this thread as most of you seem to only care about newbie scammers for shitt-token and worthless altcoin.

The problem is that there isn't anything for DT members to do unless there's solid proof that those four accounts have broken a forum or bounty rule or committed some kind of tag-worthy infraction.  The evidence has to be solid enough to withstand scrutiny by the community for having been given by a DT member, because any DT member who hands out too many wrong feedbacks is going to get booted off the DT list eventually.

[The Cryptovator]

Thanks for your efforts to detect alt accounts. As a general forum member, I am pretty sure they are an alt account. But as a DT member, I won't tag based on the evidence that you presented here. Having alt accounts isn't a crime, but abuse & cheat with an alt account is a crime. So you may keep them on the eye to find more solid evidence that would help tag them. But I think they will be aware from now since accounts are already in question.

[English Patrol Scuad]

The problem is that there isn't anything for DT members to do unless there's solid proof that those four accounts have broken a forum or bounty rule or committed some kind of tag-worthy infraction.  The evidence has to be solid enough to withstand scrutiny by the community for having been given by a DT member, because any DT member who hands out too many wrong feedbacks is going to get booted off the DT list eventually.

Thanks for your efforts to detect alt accounts. As a general forum member, I am pretty sure they are an alt account. But as a DT member, I won't tag based on the evidence that you presented here. Having alt accounts isn't a crime, but abuse & cheat with an alt account is a crime. So you may keep them on the eye to find more solid evidence that would help tag them. But I think they will be aware from now since accounts are already in question.

I don't expect anyone of you at DT to tag these 4 accounts based on the evidence I got, but you will have to research further to make a decision.

I'm just presenting some evidence that I think leads to something that can be considered strong especially regarding screenshot numbers, posting patterns and abuse of merit.

One of the strongest evidence at this time is Lantind is the alt of the other 6 accounts and he has been doing ban evasion. Then Davian144 and Bestcoins1 tried to apply for the same campaign but only Davian144 was accepted.

Here is some evidence that I will present for your further consideration:

Lantind had unusual merit transactions from 6 other accounts for 1 big transaction:
1. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=kenelmark [25 merit]
2. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=aryana42 [25 merit]
3. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=lukmandog [25 merit]
4. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=infarterr [21 merit]
5. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=Surrapatt [21 merit]
6. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=ahmia39 [21 merit]

and all of the 6 accounts above are alt tag by marlboroza. Some of them have been auto-ban and some still haven't. Then why don't I think Lantind is the alt of the 6 accounts above?

Proof: https://i.ibb.co/280WfQY/alt-acc.png


Then, 3 other accounts (Davian144, Republikcoin.com, and Bestcoins1) exchanged services and after this thread was created, the habit of posting pictures completely changed. None of them now have a serial number on the image so I think they really are the alt of the same owner.

I don't have much of a way to prove it, but YOSHIE, lovesmayfamilis and Awaklara or maybe Jollygood and some other cheat detector detector might help.

Here's some more evidence when the accounts applied to the campaign.

Two accounts (Davian144 and Bestcoins1) have applied to the same campaign: [CFNP]FortuneJack.com| Signature Campaign | Sr. Members+ ~ Earn up to $100/Week!

https://ninjastic.space/post/59288537
https://ninjastic.space/post/59294468

[JeromeTash]

Meanwhile, the accused are not even bothering coming out to at least defend themselves, which makes me think that maybe there is some truth to what OP posted. Someone who knows they are not guilty of anything such as merit exchange would have already tried to reason out why he/she is not connected to the other accounts.

[_BlackStar]

Meanwhile, the accused are not even bothering coming out to at least defend themselves, which makes me think that maybe there is some truth to what OP posted. Someone who knows they are not guilty of anything such as merit exchange would have already tried to reason out why he/she is not connected to the other accounts.

As I said before, I have tried to PM one of the 4 accused accounts clarifying the issue in the thread but till now he is ignoring my PM. I know they've changed their habits based on the evidence the OP presented next, but there's nothing we can do as long as nobody forces them to come out of hiding.

Logically, if the above 4 accounts are not alts then one or two of them must have different thoughts and will clarify it but so far I think all of them have the same way and just shut up and watch.

I'm pretty sure they are alts, but without stronger evidence I don't think DT will take action against them. So I think a little coercion might be useful here. So, a special request for the 4 accounts involved, give us a few words to refute the allegations leveled against you. I feel if you ignore it then you deserve to be called an alt regardless of whether you blame the merit system or the campaign.

[naim027]

OP, it's more likely that your account is an alt too. We know it's almost impracticable for a newbie account to know how to hunt down alts when they haven't even got used to navigating the forum. With just seven posts to your credit you're already acting detective.

Heh heh, well there's that too.  On the other hand, this isn't the first time I've seen new accounts kick off their bitcointalk career by trying to bust scammers.  That doesn't really raise any red flags IMO.

Actually, Theymos Allows creating alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. We often see brand new or newbie accounts creating Scam accusations/Reputation threads/Reporting Known alts. Do you guys think it's surprising? I don't think so since the forum allows that, and it's the safest way to not get any personal attack on your main account.

I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.

[_BlackStar]

Somehow this thread has stopped refining the evidence supporting abuse of merit, abuse of campaigns and ban evasion of the 4 accused accounts. All the accused accounts also never bothered to clarify the OP's suspicions against him, it's the most support thing that all accounts are owned by the same person. If my negative tag could force them all to appear here, then I would ^{[but sadly I'm not on DT].}

Do you guys think it's surprising? I don't think so since the forum allows that, and it's the safest way to not get any personal attack on your main account.

For the same reason, it is by no means surprising.

[JollyGood]

I just sent a PM to all four names mentioned in the OP and asked them to post here in the thread. Hopefully they will post their response to the allegations soon so they can state their position.

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[BitcoinGirl.Club]

If you want to accuse any user of using alt to abuse the merit system you'll need to provide a piece of strong evidence which i believe will be far more than posting style because people from the always have the same posting style and recommend by the above user.

Yet again you need to understand that admin does not want anyone to tag for abusing merit unless a source is doing it. The source will be removed from the merit source list.

...and then the merit system came along, my blood pressure went down, and I'd no longer engage in that kind of tagging.

Man you are making a pottery there 🤣
Obviously you are enjoying it.