<(*_*)> ø¤ºQUESTIONº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºABOUTº¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤ºPLAGIARISMº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºTHANKS/(*_*)\

[philipma1957]

<(*_*)> ø¤ºTOPº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºEBAYERº¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤ºTHANKSº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º //(*_*)\\COME AGAIN


SO I modded a feedback given to me on ebay from https://www.ebay.com/usr/thinkpan


you can see what I did in my  topic question and what I modded it from.

Obviously I have given credit to the original web content but I like what he did so I riffed on what he did.

if I did this with out giving credit is it plagiarism?

How much is too much alike. Opinions if any.

[1715027247]

1715027247

[1715027247]

1715027247

[1715027247]

1715027247

[1715027247]

1715027247

[Upgrade00]

if I did this with out giving credit is it plagiarism?

I do not fully understand the context of your post and some of the words like "modded", (which I assume means modify).  But if I'm to speak from a general stand point on the topic of plagiarism; If you don't credit the source which your content is based on, then it counts as plagiarism.

How much is too much alike.

If it has little or no original thought or inclusion.
The percentage of originality varies across different sectors, but for a general discussion forum, you should not copy/paste or at least not be reading off the post or source when wrting yours.
Paraphrasing also counts as plagiarism.

[theymos]

There are three separate issues here:
 - Plagiarism is bannable on bitcointalk.org because copying something just to boost your post count (or similar) demonstrates utter contempt for the whole concept of a discussion forum. You copying something like that is completely different, so it would not be bannable.
 - If you copy something and pass it off as your own, some people might consider this unethical and worthy of negative trust. In this case, I would personally consider this ASCII art too simple to expect you to credit the author.
 - Copying something could be a legal issue for you due to copyright. At least under US law, that ASCII art is too simple to be copyrightable.

[ibminer]

<(*_*)> ø¤ºTOPº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºEBAYERº¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤ºTHANKSº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º //(*_*)\\COME AGAIN
~snip~
if I did this with out giving credit is it plagiarism?

IMO, no.

I can't help but notice the similarities between this question and a recent signature change of mine.

Maybe a coincidence, but I have to ask.. Philip, you trying to get me banned for some reason?  

Piece of my signature I am referencing: (I've stripped out links & names to avoid any post reporting), and I didn't get any of this from eBay.

[PrimeNumber7]

Last edit: April 11, 2022, 9:59:11 PM by theymos

What was changed/edited?

I would add that plagiarism often results in posts that make little sense in the context of the subject conversation.

The above is important because copying the above ASICII art into a bitcointalk post would be illogical as this is not ebay. This is a subtle, but important detail. If you were to post this ASICII art in a sales thread (for example), it would raise more questions than the post would answer.

Disregarding the plagiarism question, I think saying that you traded on eBay when a seller says they will only sell via the forum, without additional context/information, may rise to being off-topic.

I would also point out that the person who sent these eBay feedbacks likely did so in order to attract attention to his own eBay store. Almost as a means of free advertising. Given your already high profile status as a trader, and your existing reputation, I think using something similar to what is referenced in the OP is not a good use of your time from a business perspective.

[LoyceV]

Last edit: April 11, 2022, 9:59:11 PM by theymos

What was changed/edited?

Not the post. The only difference I find is in the title: "¸" in the middle is replaced by a space. I can't be sure who did that (and why).

[ibminer]

Last edit: April 11, 2022, 9:59:11 PM by theymos

What was changed/edited?

Not the post. The only difference I find is in the title: "¸" in the middle is replaced by a space. I can't be sure who did that (and why).

Probably to fix the broken table/view Philip [inadvertently] created with the original title which skewed the main 'meta' board... because it was so long (with no spaces), and would not wrap in the column. You should be able to use word-wrap or word-break in CSS to avoid the issue, but maybe it was just easier to edit the title.

[dkbit98]

if I did this with out giving credit is it plagiarism?

It's not plagiarism if you give credits to original author, and I don't think this was copyright protected in the first place.

Plagiarism is bannable on bitcointalk.org because copying something just to boost your post count (or similar) demonstrates utter contempt for the whole concept of a discussion forum. You copying something like that is completely different, so it would not be bannable.

If I remember correctly, some time ago there was a member who plagiarized and changed only text for his signature in bitcointalk forum.
This was not done to boost his post count, but he was promoting this with his every post, so I am sure this is not bannable, but I wonder if this deserves to be tagged or not?
I think that having plagiarism in signature space should be even worse than writing it as a normal post.

[KingsDen]

From this response of Theymos, I have deduced two important things about Bitcointalk forum and its plagiarism rules. If I am wrong please I should be corrected.

There are three separate issues here:
 - Plagiarism is bannable on bitcointalk.org because copying something just to boost your post count (or similar) demonstrates utter contempt for the whole concept of a discussion forum. You copying something like that is completely different, so it would not be bannable.

This statement means that the rule against plagiarism in this forum is not universal and not much related to ethics but importantly dependent on the intentions of the plagiarist, if it is to complete post counts and earn, the user would be banned otherwise would be forgiven or overlooked.

- If you copy something and pass it off as your own, some people might consider this unethical and worthy of negative trust.

Does this mean that if plagiarism is reported to the moderators and no action is taken, a DT member reserves the right to tag the plagiarist?

[Welsh]

Does this mean that if plagiarism is reported to the moderators and no action is taken, a DT member reserves the right to tag the plagiarist?

Technically, any user can leave feedback for whatever reason they find justified. Doesn't mean that others on the forum will agree with them. That's the whole point of DefaultTrust (DT), if a DefaultTrust user starts leaving inaccurate feedback or feedback that others don't agree with, they aren't likely to be on DT much longer. That's the theory anyway.

If the user has been reported, and not banned there's probably a legitimate reason for that, maybe not known to the majority of users. Although, anyone who believes plagiarism is unethical, could potentially tag them. I personally like the idea of separating trust issues, and moderation, although plagiarism probably is slightly different, since there's a ethical question to raise. Something, which I personally do associate with trust. Though, honestly as far as I'm aware most plagiarists are banned, and there's only the occasional circumstance which leads to them not being banned.

I'd probably say very much depends, and therefore should only be considered on a case by case basis. Something which could be brought up in the Reputation section to see what others think. Plus, I'm quite conflicted using the trust system, if they've been reported, and haven't been banned as there's likely some mitigating circumstances, which I previously stated might not be obvious. I for example won't know why x was banned, unless I saw the report, and saw the evidence. However, if that's already been deleted, and they've been banned, I might not or perhaps  the mod handling it removed the post since they thought it was not suitable to be on the forum, but maybe there was mitigating circumstances that didn't justify the ban. From the outside, if you aren't dealing with the report itself, you might not know the circumstances, so going off of just that, might be a little too trigger happy in terms of leaving trust feedback. I don't know, like I said probably case by case.

[philipma1957]

Last edit: April 11, 2022, 9:59:11 PM by theymos

What was changed/edited?

Not the post. The only difference I find is in the title: "¸" in the middle is replaced by a space. I can't be sure who did that (and why).

Probably to fix the broken table/view Philip [inadvertently] created with the original title which skewed the main 'meta' board... because it was so long (with no spaces), and would not wrap in the column. You should be able to use word-wrap or word-break in CSS to avoid the issue, but maybe it was just easier to edit the title.

Yeah I made it one line for the art. I did not realize it would skew the meta board. (figures)

I only asked because I liked the way the feedback looked and wondered if I could use variations of it legally.

I consider a lot of the plagiarism rules too strict as to definitions on this website.

So if I choose to play with the art I wondered if it was like using an emoji or plagiarism.




So this artwork is more like emoji play than word play.


thus legal to not credit the patterns of emoji play.

and wrong to not credit the patterns of word play.

was not sure about it.  thanks to all

especially theymos

There are three separate issues here:
 - Plagiarism is bannable on bitcointalk.org because copying something just to boost your post count (or similar) demonstrates utter contempt for the whole concept of a discussion forum. You copying something like that is completely different, so it would not be bannable.
 - If you copy something and pass it off as your own, some people might consider this unethical and worthy of negative trust. In this case, I would personally consider this ASCII art too simple to expect you to credit the author.
 - Copying something could be a legal issue for you due to copyright. At least under US law, that ASCII art is too simple to be copyrightable.

Since I may do my new titles with some ASCII ART that will be simple I should be good to go.

[hatshepsut93]

I'd say, context can change a lot of things. On its own using this pattern is technically a plagiarism, but no harm or deception is done. But if there was some competition to create a signature or some promotional material, and you just posted these characters as your own, that would clearly be unethical.

[Shamm]

<(*_*)> ø¤ºTOPº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºEBAYERº¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤ºTHANKSº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º //(*_*)\\COME AGAIN


SO I modded a feedback given to me on ebay from https://www.ebay.com/usr/thinkpan


you can see what I did in my  topic question and what I modded it from.

Obviously I have given credit to the original web content but I like what he did so I riffed on what he did.

if I did this without giving credit is it plagiarism?

How much is too much alike. Opinions if any.

In my perspective copying text or any sentence and paste it here without giving the reference of the main source for sure many forum user will say that is plagiarism and if you do such thing you will be banned not just ordinary banned but permanent banned. We all know that plagiarizing text is a crime so it's better to avoid such thing and make a topic that based on our learnings not copying others.

[suchmoon]

I don't really get all this hair-splitting about the rules and loopholes and stuff.

If you posted something that you know was not created by you, why not make that clear? Doesn't even have to be a link (although preferable wherever possible) but if you said "I saw this somewhere" and make it clear that you are not claiming authorship, I don't think you'd be banned even if someone reports it.

Doing it the other way round - not indicating that it's not yours when you know it's not yours - seems unnatural and dishonest and sometimes requires more effort to work the copied text into your own text, instead of just... you know... hitting the damn quote button or something.

[ibminer]

So, as mentioned, I was taken a bit off-guard by the timing of this question, the ASCII patterns & characters matching my newer signature (when the words are removed from the sample text), etc.. but it seems this may be a good example of how common ASCII patterns like this can be.

I really don't see how one line of ASCII like this could ever be considered plagiarism or warrant any feedback, the amount of free generators out there that spit out characters in one-line with various patterns make it seem nearly impossible to say anyone was the original author of a simple ASCII string of characters. More complex ASCII would be a different story.

This is what I had used (with some minor modifications to make it fit), but the same pattern(s) can be found in many places when googling. The dude on eBay probably used a similar site/generator originally.. even if he didn't, it seems unnecessary to even give him credit.

edit: Random thought - someone needs to create a parody of "I'm bringin' sexy back" as "I'm bringin' ASCII back".