Quarantine measures in China, Shanghai

[PrimeNumber7]

China was the first country to come up with lockdown measures, however, I don't recall them being so harsh. This situation has gone out of control, the measures weren't so absurdly strict, they're dragging people out of their homes and euthanizing pets, that's ridiculous.

In early 2020, people were being sealed in their homes. There are reports of some people starving to death.

The Chinese government controls what information leaves its country the overwhelming majority of the time. I don't think it is an accident that specific videos about the lockdowns are "leaking" to the outside world now.

In early 2020, Chinese citizens were locked inside their apartments, and people starved to death. The "lockdowns" employed by the West was something exported from China. Prior to covid, "lockdowns" were not considered to be something health officials considered to prevent the spread of contagious viruses.

Lockdowns actually work, just not in any colloquial sense or under democratic republics. If you can physically isolate people within their homes and enforce isolation, then the virus can't spread. The issue with any lockdown the West tried was people were still mobile. People still went to the grocery store, to work, out with friends etc and then most transmission would end up happening in the home. The CCP, like with most communists, are okay with letting people die and violating basic human rights, so confining people to their homes and not allowing them to leave even to go to the grocery store was as close to a true lockdown as possibly obtainable. China lied about their numbers, but there was reporting when Wuhan and other regions went into lockdown and when cities began opening up again back in 2020. Seemed like China may be successful in their lockdown strategy as long as they can drive people to to near suicide by physical isolation. If people starve to death, that's just a bonus to them.

To think there were authoritarians that wanted to adopt China's method.

No, I don't think the lockdowns ever worked in China.

Even in China, people are allowed to go out to get groceries, although it is regulated. China is more densely populated, so if one person is infected in an apartment building, there is the potential that many others will also get infected via the ventilation system. If one person is infected goes to the grocery store, others at the store may also get infected, and they may spread the virus to others in their own apartment building.

There are also too many other means of transmission that lockdowns will not prevent. For example, the Chinese economy relies too heavily on exports to not allow people from entering into the country (and into certain areas) to pick up goods intended for export. These people can potentially transmit covid to others.

[Bitcoinbride]

It is very sad to read and see that some countries are still seriously being plague by covid after the breakout. China's situation has been one of worse so far, and it's effect is widespread even to the economic sector. Buying of goods and procurement of materials from China has become difficult again, a problem facing people who are business oriented and depend on China for supply.

[Mometaskers]

Apparently they are "very serious" this time. In one vid I saw, they even built fences around a few block of buildings to keep the people inside. Probably not as terrifying as welding the doors of units shut but still...

The People's Republic of China has locked down Shanghai and even other parts of China (I work with some people from Shenzhen) for many purposes outside of the guise that is a pandemic "safety" reasons. It is for cracking down on dissenters that would disagree with the government and their oppressive measures. And most importantly, to shift production from a peacetime economy to a wartime economy hence taking over Taiwan and leveraging the Solomon Islands for further conquests.


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Shanghai Lockdown the real reason:

 http://198.46.190.126/videos/chinawar.mp4

I did saw several theories about it. It also have the effect of disrupting the global supply chain and I'm assuming that'll figure later with several food warehouses in the US "accidentally" erupting into flames within a few days of each other.

[Ultegra134]

Apparently they are "very serious" this time. In one vid I saw, they even built fences around a few block of buildings to keep the people inside. Probably not as terrifying as welding the doors of units shut but still...

The People's Republic of China has locked down Shanghai and even other parts of China (I work with some people from Shenzhen) for many purposes outside of the guise that is a pandemic "safety" reasons. It is for cracking down on dissenters that would disagree with the government and their oppressive measures. And most importantly, to shift production from a peacetime economy to a wartime economy hence taking over Taiwan and leveraging the Solomon Islands for further conquests.


Australia ‘Disappointed’ After Solomons Signs China Pact

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-20/australia-deeply-disappointed-after-solomons-signs-china-pact


Shanghai Lockdown the real reason:

 http://198.46.190.126/videos/chinawar.mp4

I did saw several theories about it. It also have the effect of disrupting the global supply chain and I'm assuming that'll figure later with several food warehouses in the US "accidentally" erupting into flames within a few days of each other.

Yup, it's getting worse and worse overtime, it's practically inevitable to have zero infections, thus, chances are that the quarantine measures will get stricter as time passes by, since cases are bound to increase, due to the very contagious Omicron variant.

On top of that, the supply chain will be disrupted once again, it happened the last two years with Covid-19, it's happening now with the Ukrainian - Russian war, this is just the icing on the cake.

[Mometaskers]

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Yup, it's getting worse and worse overtime, it's practically inevitable to have zero infections, thus, chances are that the quarantine measures will get stricter as time passes by, since cases are bound to increase, due to the very contagious Omicron variant.

On top of that, the supply chain will be disrupted once again, it happened the last two years with Covid-19, it's happening now with the Ukrainian - Russian war, this is just the icing on the cake.

Last I checked in the news the official deathtoll in Shanghai was around 20. Even with conspiracy theory that they were just locking up people to disrupt the supply chain (or refocus the industry for war in Taiwan and they don't want civilians running around), I don't buy those numbers. And we only managed to find out the situation in Shanghai, apparently they were locking down the same way throughout. The Philippine ambassador who just arrived from his home country died in quarantine in Huangshan and they wouldn't reveal the reason, which is telling. The man is in his 70s, if it's not a covid death they can just say so.

[Ultegra134]

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Yup, it's getting worse and worse overtime, it's practically inevitable to have zero infections, thus, chances are that the quarantine measures will get stricter as time passes by, since cases are bound to increase, due to the very contagious Omicron variant.

On top of that, the supply chain will be disrupted once again, it happened the last two years with Covid-19, it's happening now with the Ukrainian - Russian war, this is just the icing on the cake.

Last I checked in the news the official deathtoll in Shanghai was around 20. Even with conspiracy theory that they were just locking up people to disrupt the supply chain (or refocus the industry for war in Taiwan and they don't want civilians running around), I don't buy those numbers. And we only managed to find out the situation in Shanghai, apparently they were locking down the same way throughout. The Philippine ambassador who just arrived from his home country died in quarantine in Huangshan and they wouldn't reveal the reason, which is telling. The man is in his 70s, if it's not a covid death they can just say so.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised with anything. I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist, however, there are more than a few instances that China has been found hiding evidence and information. As I've mentioned in older posts, they've also hid information from WHO, regarding SARs in the past and now with Covid-19.

I haven't been paying much attention to China lately, due to the Ukrainian war, however, I highly doubt that something is going to change for the better.

[PrimeNumber7]

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Yup, it's getting worse and worse overtime, it's practically inevitable to have zero infections, thus, chances are that the quarantine measures will get stricter as time passes by, since cases are bound to increase, due to the very contagious Omicron variant.

On top of that, the supply chain will be disrupted once again, it happened the last two years with Covid-19, it's happening now with the Ukrainian - Russian war, this is just the icing on the cake.

Last I checked in the news the official deathtoll in Shanghai was around 20. Even with conspiracy theory that they were just locking up people to disrupt the supply chain (or refocus the industry for war in Taiwan and they don't want civilians running around), I don't buy those numbers. And we only managed to find out the situation in Shanghai, apparently they were locking down the same way throughout. The Philippine ambassador who just arrived from his home country died in quarantine in Huangshan and they wouldn't reveal the reason, which is telling. The man is in his 70s, if it's not a covid death they can just say so.

Anything that China releases to the rest of the world is intentional. Any "zero covid" strategy is not going to work. There are simply too many reasons for which humans much interact with each other in order to survive. I agree that any numbers released by the Chinese government should not be trusted.

It is possible that China is intentionally messing with supply chains to make it more costly to sanction them once they decide to invade Taiwan.

[tvbcof]

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It is possible that China is intentionally messing with supply chains to make it more costly to sanction them once they decide to invade Taiwan.

Seems plausible, and I put it forward as a hypothesis before.  Maybe that is where you got the idea.

I've heard from (reports of) some foreigners working in Shanghai that the people who are most likely to 'test positive' for 'covid-19' are also those who seem like the type who would have a relatively lower 'social credit score'.  In other words, not say enough good things about the nation's leadership and that sort of thing.

I could certainly imagine doing certain sorts of 'corrective procedures' to people who may be a 'threat to society'.  The state of technology is probably such that the 'correction' might not be even very noticeable by the subject.  The 'quarantine facilities' wouldn't be your grandfather's re-education camp.  The subject may just notice that they feel a little more 'happy' after a stay in their box.

[Mometaskers]

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Anything that China releases to the rest of the world is intentional. Any "zero covid" strategy is not going to work. There are simply too many reasons for which humans much interact with each other in order to survive. I agree that any numbers released by the Chinese government should not be trusted.

It is possible that China is intentionally messing with supply chains to make it more costly to sanction them once they decide to invade Taiwan.

If they really are doing this, then they better start with the invasion quickly. Supply eventually expands to meet demands. It can get to the point where by restricting your own supply it'll encourage production elsewhere.

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At this point, I wouldn't be surprised with anything. I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist, however, there are more than a few instances that China has been found hiding evidence and information. As I've mentioned in older posts, they've also hid information from WHO, regarding SARs in the past and now with Covid-19.

I haven't been paying much attention to China lately, due to the Ukrainian war, however, I highly doubt that something is going to change for the better.

Conspiracy or not I guess we can all agree that the Chinese government is pretty opaque. It also doesn't help that we know what they want - more power - and there are less restriction on what they would be capable of.

[Ultegra134]

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Anything that China releases to the rest of the world is intentional. Any "zero covid" strategy is not going to work. There are simply too many reasons for which humans much interact with each other in order to survive. I agree that any numbers released by the Chinese government should not be trusted.

It is possible that China is intentionally messing with supply chains to make it more costly to sanction them once they decide to invade Taiwan.

If they really are doing this, then they better start with the invasion quickly. Supply eventually expands to meet demands. It can get to the point where by restricting your own supply it'll encourage production elsewhere.

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At this point, I wouldn't be surprised with anything. I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist, however, there are more than a few instances that China has been found hiding evidence and information. As I've mentioned in older posts, they've also hid information from WHO, regarding SARs in the past and now with Covid-19.

I haven't been paying much attention to China lately, due to the Ukrainian war, however, I highly doubt that something is going to change for the better.

Conspiracy or not I guess we can all agree that the Chinese government is pretty opaque. It also doesn't help that we know what they want - more power - and there are less restriction on what they would be capable of.

Didn't notice that there were new replies on the thread. Honestly, I don't believe that it has to do anything with Taiwan, I've heard it in the past, thus I wouldn't completely rule it out. I don't trust the Chinese government at all, they could have prevented the crisis of March 2020, but decided to hide it. I have an old acquaintance of mine in Shanghai, he's married there, and as I've seen from his post, he's claiming that the measures are worse than those in the start of the pandemic.

[Mometaskers]

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Didn't notice that there were new replies on the thread. Honestly, I don't believe that it has to do anything with Taiwan, I've heard it in the past, thus I wouldn't completely rule it out. I don't trust the Chinese government at all, they could have prevented the crisis of March 2020, but decided to hide it. I have an old acquaintance of mine in Shanghai, he's married there, and as I've seen from his post, he's claiming that the measures are worse than those in the start of the pandemic.

So it's worse there? Well if it's a new variant then they better do good job keeping it in there. Although they do seem to be taking draconian measures. Just saw a vid of man still alive in a bodybag.

[Ultegra134]

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Didn't notice that there were new replies on the thread. Honestly, I don't believe that it has to do anything with Taiwan, I've heard it in the past, thus I wouldn't completely rule it out. I don't trust the Chinese government at all, they could have prevented the crisis of March 2020, but decided to hide it. I have an old acquaintance of mine in Shanghai, he's married there, and as I've seen from his post, he's claiming that the measures are worse than those in the start of the pandemic.

So it's worse there? Well if it's a new variant then they better do good job keeping it in there. Although they do seem to be taking draconian measures. Just saw a vid of man still alive in a bodybag.

Unfortunately, I can't post his photos, since they are personal, but the situation is pretty bad. They are forced to stay inside at all times, while going outside comes with strict time restriction (a few minutes at most), wearing a full protective suit, from head to toe, similar to a spacesuit, for specific very specific reasons, such as picking up necessary rations etc. It's astonishing.

[BADecker]

One wonders if the leaders are simply ignorant, or if Shanghai is being used as some kind of testing ground for some specific agenda.

[TheCoinGrabber]

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This type of lockdown didn't even occur at the start of the pandemic, where the virus was way more deadlier than it is now, after going through numerous mutations, without having medication and vaccines, which enable us to have very limited casualties, compared to 2 years ago.

Not only is it saddening, but also suspicious, is China hiding something else, or is it just being paranoid, imposing tyranny over its citizens? Let me also point out that China has a history of lying to organizations such as WHO about the severity of such infectious diseases (same thing happened with both Covid and SARS).

I also found it peculiar it don't seem to be making the news on TV. Maybe they're not reporting about it coz it's election season. The only reason I'm seeing these is I get recommended vids from China-focused channels. 

At this point can't really tell how serious the situation is, after all it's the CCP we're dealing with. They do seem to be taking extreme measures so it's possible it's some new strain they haven't publicized yet. They went from welding apartment doors to encaging entire streets.

One wonders if the leaders are simply ignorant, or if Shanghai is being used as some kind of testing ground for some specific agenda.

Hmmmm... what could that be?  There's so many rumors floating around. Some says to restrict supply chain. Some say to reorient the industry for an invasion of Taiwan. Some even claim this is a spat between Beijing and Shanghai. More drama than Game of Thrones LOL.

[BADecker]

One wonders if the leaders are simply ignorant, or if Shanghai is being used as some kind of testing ground for some specific agenda.

Hmmmm... what could that be?  There's so many rumors floating around. Some says to restrict supply chain. Some say to reorient the industry for an invasion of Taiwan. Some even claim this is a spat between Beijing and Shanghai. More drama than Game of Thrones LOL.

To see if the lockdowns really work, or if they cause the disease(s) to spread.

[Ultegra134]

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This type of lockdown didn't even occur at the start of the pandemic, where the virus was way more deadlier than it is now, after going through numerous mutations, without having medication and vaccines, which enable us to have very limited casualties, compared to 2 years ago.

Not only is it saddening, but also suspicious, is China hiding something else, or is it just being paranoid, imposing tyranny over its citizens? Let me also point out that China has a history of lying to organizations such as WHO about the severity of such infectious diseases (same thing happened with both Covid and SARS).

I also found it peculiar it don't seem to be making the news on TV. Maybe they're not reporting about it coz it's election season. The only reason I'm seeing these is I get recommended vids from China-focused channels. 

At this point can't really tell how serious the situation is, after all it's the CCP we're dealing with. They do seem to be taking extreme measures so it's possible it's some new strain they haven't publicized yet. They went from welding apartment doors to encaging entire streets.

Scientifically though, viruses usually become more transmittable after multiple mutations, however, their mortality rate drops. Especially with the Omicron variant, deaths have fallen significantly and we're talking about a country with 90% vaccination coverage, thus, I can't see why all this madness is occurring.

I'm not quite sure what's going on, however, I'm mostly tending towards that they are continuing a policy of zero cases, which can no longer be imposed due to the new variants.

Only time will tell.

[Findingnemo]

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Didn't notice that there were new replies on the thread. Honestly, I don't believe that it has to do anything with Taiwan, I've heard it in the past, thus I wouldn't completely rule it out. I don't trust the Chinese government at all, they could have prevented the crisis of March 2020, but decided to hide it. I have an old acquaintance of mine in Shanghai, he's married there, and as I've seen from his post, he's claiming that the measures are worse than those in the start of the pandemic.

So it's worse there? Well if it's a new variant then they better do good job keeping it in there. Although they do seem to be taking draconian measures. Just saw a vid of man still alive in a bodybag.

Unfortunately, I can't post his photos, since they are personal, but the situation is pretty bad. They are forced to stay inside at all times, while going outside comes with strict time restriction (a few minutes at most), wearing a full protective suit, from head to toe, similar to a spacesuit, for specific very specific reasons, such as picking up necessary rations etc. It's astonishing.

Yesterday I saw video about Chinese governments strict lockdown they are forcing the people stay inside the place wherever they are and screw the doors with all the people inside this is cruel and I didn't see main stream media is talking about this. Is this a sign of another uncontrollable wave so China started their preparation before everyone.

[Ultegra134]

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Didn't notice that there were new replies on the thread. Honestly, I don't believe that it has to do anything with Taiwan, I've heard it in the past, thus I wouldn't completely rule it out. I don't trust the Chinese government at all, they could have prevented the crisis of March 2020, but decided to hide it. I have an old acquaintance of mine in Shanghai, he's married there, and as I've seen from his post, he's claiming that the measures are worse than those in the start of the pandemic.

So it's worse there? Well if it's a new variant then they better do good job keeping it in there. Although they do seem to be taking draconian measures. Just saw a vid of man still alive in a bodybag.

Unfortunately, I can't post his photos, since they are personal, but the situation is pretty bad. They are forced to stay inside at all times, while going outside comes with strict time restriction (a few minutes at most), wearing a full protective suit, from head to toe, similar to a spacesuit, for specific very specific reasons, such as picking up necessary rations etc. It's astonishing.

Yesterday I saw video about Chinese governments strict lockdown they are forcing the people stay inside the place wherever they are and screw the doors with all the people inside this is cruel and I didn't see main stream media is talking about this. Is this a sign of another uncontrollable wave so China started their preparation before everyone.

I haven't heard about this yet, however, it's true I don't see much media coverage regarding such a sensitive subject. I'm not surprised about anything, they were even euthanizing pets whose owners were found positive for Covid-19, this is madness, I couldn't imagine myself living like that.

[maikrothaman]

Hello there,
Didn't see any topics referring to this matter, have you seen what's happening in China? The government has locked people inside their homes, forcing them to have daily testing, police is separating them into quarantine camps (more like concentration camps) if test comes out positive or if experiencing symptoms, even mild. It's astonishing, that all countries are easing measures, since it's yet to be proven whether lockdowns were actually effective, China on the other hand is adopting zero case policies.

This type of lockdown didn't even occur at the start of the pandemic, where the virus was way more deadlier than it is now, after going through numerous mutations, without having medication and vaccines, which enable us to have very limited casualties, compared to 2 years ago.

Not only is it saddening, but also suspicious, is China hiding something else, or is it just being paranoid, imposing tyranny over its citizens? Let me also point out that China has a history of lying to organizations such as WHO about the severity of such infectious diseases (same thing happened with both Covid and SARS).

What are your thoughts regarding this matter?

If China were in a lockdown and quarantine. Recent pictures wouldn't see people walking around, but show a "ghost town" pictures... I see people in the latest pictures. Evaluation: People can still move freely Assessment: Western media need to do more research

[Ultegra134]

Hello there,
Didn't see any topics referring to this matter, have you seen what's happening in China? The government has locked people inside their homes, forcing them to have daily testing, police is separating them into quarantine camps (more like concentration camps) if test comes out positive or if experiencing symptoms, even mild. It's astonishing, that all countries are easing measures, since it's yet to be proven whether lockdowns were actually effective, China on the other hand is adopting zero case policies.

This type of lockdown didn't even occur at the start of the pandemic, where the virus was way more deadlier than it is now, after going through numerous mutations, without having medication and vaccines, which enable us to have very limited casualties, compared to 2 years ago.

Not only is it saddening, but also suspicious, is China hiding something else, or is it just being paranoid, imposing tyranny over its citizens? Let me also point out that China has a history of lying to organizations such as WHO about the severity of such infectious diseases (same thing happened with both Covid and SARS).

What are your thoughts regarding this matter?

If China were in a lockdown and quarantine. Recent pictures wouldn't see people walking around, but show a "ghost town" pictures... I see people in the latest pictures. Evaluation: People can still move freely Assessment: Western media need to do more research

Depends on the area, lockdown as a form of quarantine isn't lasting forever, an old acquintance of mine who is married in Shanghai told me that parts of the city were put on strict lockdown for a couple of days (8-10~), restricting movement and so on. It's clearly not a lie that the whole situation is inhumane, Police was beating down citizens, forcing Covid-19 tests with violence, or even killing residential pets. Distorted or not, it's unacceptable.