How to get Free games in china?

[seagullx]

Hello,everyone !
This is my first time to post on bitcointalk。
I come from china ,my English is not good ，most time，i need Google translate，thanks this invention。
I have read a lot of artcles here，i visited some online gaming websites, and test bcgame,stakes,free bitcoin etc, crash and mines are perfect games , i really love them!
Cryptocurrency let me enjoyed the funny on these gaming website.

A few years ago, when i could play real money on Pokerstars in china , its so difficult  to withdraw,
I need to sell my usd to other players,  a smart guy invent an application named”poker master ”
People could creat free club and invite friends play poker(gamble) together

I’m a stupid kid , so i have a question want to get somes good answers from smart guys ,
Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?
Its different meaning  with affiliate.
Website could charge some money from club admin even margin(limit bet figure)!
If this club admin is a scammer ,you could help their players recoup lost or not !
Club’s players deposit/withdraw  money(cryptocurrency)  to admin.
You can provide payment api to admins and make money.
Some big rewards games like lottery  you can control it by own website not clubs
People could buy lottery by your token or other coins.
I’m not sure,it’s worth to test or not . Or even have someone are doing it
Let me know the result please
In the end , thanks everyone’s answers if you would give me some good ideas

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[lionheart78]

Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?

What do you mean by this?  Taking the Casino website as Casino itself where people gamble, all casino has free registration if I am not mistaken, and many also offer a fun token to play or try their game even without a money deposit.  Aside from that, creating a casino website without generating an income will only be a burden to the creator and will incur heavy financial losses since installing games needs payments.  If you are looking for clubs or want to create one, then why not create a casino forum website dedicated to casino fans instead of the casino website itself.

Club’s players deposit/withdraw  money(cryptocurrency)  to admin.

Isn't an online casino already doing this?  Online Casino gives players deposit addresses and holds them as they play on the site. Assuming this admin is a different entity from the casino I don't think it is necessary to have the admins holds the club's player money.  This will also encourage corruption and scam that may cause a possible loss of funds for those members.

[Ulven]

How can you trust the official when you don't know anything about him as you know, once the transaction is signed, your money will be in unsafe hands and you can't get it back. If you like free spins, there are many casinos that offer them so search for them and enjoy playing for free, and do not try to think of such silly ideas because they will make you lose a lot of time in vain!!!

[nakamura12]

In my opinion, A poker site like that is risky. Indeed you can create free club but as you have said, the deposit and withdrawal must go through the admin. The chance of admin taking your funds is high especially those who gamble with lots of money or decent amount. If I were you, I wouldn't deposit there even if I did make a research about the admin and the site. It's better if you play poker on a casino that doesn't do these things which is very risky as I have said about it.

[DoublerHunter]

How can you trust the official when you don't know anything about him as you know, once the transaction is signed, your money will be in unsafe hands and you can't get it back. If you like free spins, there are many casinos that offer them so search for them and enjoy playing for free, and do not try to think of such silly ideas because they will make you lose a lot of time in vain!!!

^ The only problem here is the trust of handling our money to admin. What if the admin will scam us and run away together with our money.
I don't know how to work this idea but I think it is good if you will create a gambling casino with a decentralized concept, through a smart contract, or in a blockchain network if you are using BTC. In that kind of concept that OP wants, it needs first to have a trust or entrust someone.
Nevertheless, good luck with your proposal.

[Maus0728]

Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?
Its different meaning  with affiliate.
Website could charge some money from club admin even margin(limit bet figure)!
If this club admin is a scammer ,you could help their players recoup lost or not !
Club’s players deposit/withdraw  money(cryptocurrency)  to admin.
You can provide payment api to admins and make money.
Some big rewards games like lottery  you can control it by own website not clubs
People could buy lottery by your token or other coins.
I’m not sure,it’s worth to test or not . Or even have someone are doing it
Let me know the result please
In the end , thanks everyone’s answers if you would give me some good ideas

There are already casinos that has that feature but aren't crypto platforms and just mostly supports their local fiat and payment methods. There is no blockchain casino as well that has the feature to create clubs (AFAIK) and is a customer-owned platform. As like the others say, that's a shady way to make a payment method. You cannot just send crypto on one person in his wallet then he just manually adds digits to your 'wallet'. Even that alone is a red flag. Payment methods and crypto games should be on blockchain and played within the blockchain as well to provide transparency and less scam.

[RILWAN]

This post is confusing to me in a way I don't understand what you really are trying to say here can you give some clear information on the subject matter to be discussed.

[coin-investor]

I’m a stupid kid , so i have a question want to get somes good answers from smart guys ,
Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?
Its different meaning  with affiliate.

Who's going to run that club and since it's a trust-based website since is a club and will the majority of people here join the club knowing that they many of us here are supporters of Casinos they are playing and promoting, they have some sort of loyalty to these casinos

Website could charge some money from club admin even margin(limit bet figure)!

It's very unclear why would gambling admins join when they already have a community of their own

If this club admin is a scammer ,you could help their players recoup lost or not !

Scammers will not join the club it will not serve his interest

Let me know the result please
In the end , thanks everyone’s answers if you would give me some good ideas

You have a good idea but materializing it is not possible this is a gambling niche and every casino works for itself

[Sterbens]

As far as I know as far as the world of gambling is concerned, I honestly never came across the concept of a crypto casino website you would expect. Maybe because local fiat casino owners have implemented this kind of thing as Maus0728 said. The point is more or less the deposit process can go through the club that the admin has prepared. However, those who had agreed on a contract if they had any intention of escaping brought the gambler's money.

[Desmong]

I don't really understand what you have written but I think you are seeking for advise on what we think about a site where you do play games and have fun. You need to explain to us in detail what the site really entails so we can advise you to be more careful on third party website. If you keep playing free games for fun, have it in mind that there is nothing free in "free town."

[judeafante]

OP has a unique concept its actually a new idea but its nowhere to be possible who knows maybe one developer will take this idea and set up one, but the hardest thing is cooperation because we all know casinos are competing with each other since he is the one who cooked this idea why not make it his mission to create one.

I don't know if we have an existing club for gamblers but for me I don't need a club we already have this community where we help recommend good casinos and fight scammers.

[ajochems]

Actually it’s very simple,you need to do background verification of the casino and the team.Mostly people engage in the casino which was played by their friends or family or relatives or known person.If the person who referred is trustworthy,surely the game will be trusted.You can use the above option to play the trusted casino instead of wasting huge time on the finding or verification.

[robelneo]

The biggest question is do we need something like this I understand cooperation and not getting scammed but is it possible in the gambling industry especially in Cryptocurrency, since we are all governed by anonymity, club, organizations of investors can happen in a corporation in an offline world but I don't think we can in an online world.
Who'll be willing to set up one and spend money and time for this and what are the governing rules, the concept is good but making it possible is a huge task.

[roslinpl]

The OP had some difficulty in their old game with the casino which he had played.He had not mentioned anything like that.It was totally different opinion to help each other in the casino.Because we are using our own money and how you think,it’s possible to get help from the competitors.It was new idea to the gambling world.But probably no casino liked to accept such points.

[Poker Player]

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A few years ago, when i could play real money on Pokerstars in china , its so difficult  to withdraw,
I need to sell my usd to other players,  a smart guy invent an application named”poker master ”
People could creat free club and invite friends play poker(gamble) together

I’m a stupid kid , so i have a question want to get somes good answers from smart guys ,
Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?
Its different meaning  with affiliate.
Website could charge some money from club admin even margin(limit bet figure)!

I don't want to be hard on you because you are new to the forum and you seem young, but what you say seems to me to be nonsense.

I don't know why you say that it is difficult to withdraw from Pokerstars in China, I understand that gambling is forbidden there, except in Macau. If that's why, don't take your particular problem as something general.

When I request a withdrawal from Pokerstars and it is approved, it arrives to my account almost instantly, so no problem with that. Besides, creating a free casino but charging doesn't make sense. You complicate everything a lot.

Whoever wants to play for free can go to Pokerstars and play with play money. The casino you can create is not going to have better software or more traffic than them.

[South Park]

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Look we all understand that learning a new language can be hard and that you are probably using Google Translate to post, but you need to try to keep your ideas simple and to the point because this post is incredibly difficult to decipher, I doubt anyone can understand completely what you are trying to achieve, but for what I could understand this seems like an extremely complicated idea that has no chances at all to succeed.

[davis196]

I don't understand what you are trying to suggest,but I'm sure that it won't work.
If you want to play poker for free,just download a poker game on Google Play or the Apple store and you can play poker against real people for free.You don't have register an account on a crypto casino,in order to play poker for free.

Club’s players deposit/withdraw  money(cryptocurrency)  to admin.

This is where your suggestion will end up being a scam.There's no guarantee that the admin won't run away with the coins/money.Even if the admin is highly trusted and reputable,not a lot of players would trust him enough to send him cryptocurrencies.

This post is confusing to me in a way I don't understand what you really are trying to say here can you give some clear information on the subject matter to be discussed.

OP will have to learn English or get a better online translation tool than Google Translate.

[ethereumhunter]

Creating a casino needs a lot of money and not many of us have that money. I think the club you mention will be similar to the VIP available on the site but with different terms and conditions. But I think crypto and local casinos are different, and the terms and conditions are also different. So you may not see the same thing at local casinos and crypto casinos.

[Eternad]

Creating a casino needs a lot of money and not many of us have that money. I think the club you mention will be similar to the VIP available on the site but with different terms and conditions. But I think crypto and local casinos are different, and the terms and conditions are also different. So you may not see the same thing at local casinos and crypto casinos.

As far as I understand the OP situation and as fellow PokerStar player. You can't cashout all your chips out since it's just play tokens but the only to get chips is to purchaseit using fiat or rely on the daily chips rewards so this is frustrating to all players that already accumulated a lot of chips in the game since they can't convert it into cash. With same logic applied on crypto casino. He wants get a table on casino let him operate by just paying small fee in the Casino. I believe he is not that familiar on crypto casino especially the scope of withdrawal and deposit. China gambling casino is very strict and different to all the current available crypto casino so I understand how he feel by suggesting this kind of game mechanics.

[seagullx]

Creating a casino needs a lot of money and not many of us have that money. I think the club you mention will be similar to the VIP available on the site but with different terms and conditions. But I think crypto and local casinos are different, and the terms and conditions are also different. So you may not see the same thing at local casinos and crypto casinos.

As far as I understand the OP situation and as fellow PokerStar player. You can't cashout all your chips out since it's just play tokens but the only to get chips is to purchaseit using fiat or rely on the daily chips rewards so this is frustrating to all players that already accumulated a lot of chips in the game since they can't convert it into cash. With same logic applied on crypto casino. He wants get a table on casino let him operate by just paying small fee in the Casino. I believe he is not that familiar on crypto casino especially the scope of withdrawal and deposit. China gambling casino is very strict and different to all the current available crypto casino so I understand how he feel by suggesting this kind of game mechanics.

You are right. But we could play free coins on same website like bcgame right? It’s not gambling just for fun!
But if i could own a club,i could gamble with my players.

[Bitinity]

You are right. But we could play free coins on same website like bcgame right? It’s not gambling just for fun!
But if i could own a club,i could gamble with my players.

Have you ever heard about pppoker.net? I think there are some people created thread for their own poker club which is based on pppoker.net So if you want to own your own club, you may try it. Visit it first and check if it is what you are looking for.

[seagullx]

You are right. But we could play free coins on same website like bcgame right? It’s not gambling just for fun!
But if i could own a club,i could gamble with my players.

Have you ever heard about pppoker.net? I think there are some people created thread for their own poker club which is based on pppoker.net So if you want to own your own club, you may try it. Visit it first and check if it is what you are looking for.

Sir,I know pppoker and used it , i want to find a gaming website like pppoker , i could creat a club and let my friends to play real fair gaming games like crash ,

[seagullx]

How can you trust the official when you don't know anything about him as you know, once the transaction is signed, your money will be in unsafe hands and you can't get it back. If you like free spins, there are many casinos that offer them so search for them and enjoy playing for free, and do not try to think of such silly ideas because they will make you lose a lot of time in vain!!!

Sir, Thanks for your answer! I will think it carefully!

[seagullx]

In my opinion, A poker site like that is risky. Indeed you can create free club but as you have said, the deposit and withdrawal must go through the admin. The chance of admin taking your funds is high especially those who gamble with lots of money or decent amount. If I were you, I wouldn't deposit there even if I did make a research about the admin and the site. It's better if you play poker on a casino that doesn't do these things which is very risky as I have said about it.

Sir, Thanks for your answer! I will think it carefully!

In my experience, we always as players to trust the casino
Why we trust a big casino website , because they have lots of players by a long time.
If everyone could to creat own casino club by free casino wabsite, i believe lots of them would rather to pay something to this website！

[Kakmakr]

I am trying to understand the "Club" concept, but it is difficult with the language barrier. If I understand this correctly, Chinese people are not allowed to gamble on foreign websites. (except for government-sanctioned outlets) .... so if you create a local "Club" ...it will be exempted from this law?

So you want someone to create software that will help you "manage" these Clubs? The problem with this is that someone must administrate the software and the wallets linked to this software and that is where things are going wrong. (You need trusted individuals for multi signature wallets to sign off on payments) 

[seagullx]

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A few years ago, when i could play real money on Pokerstars in china , its so difficult  to withdraw,
I need to sell my usd to other players,  a smart guy invent an application named”poker master ”
People could creat free club and invite friends play poker(gamble) together

I’m a stupid kid , so i have a question want to get somes good answers from smart guys ,
Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?
Its different meaning  with affiliate.
Website could charge some money from club admin even margin(limit bet figure)!

I don't want to be hard on you because you are new to the forum and you seem young, but what you say seems to me to be nonsense.

I don't know why you say that it is difficult to withdraw from Pokerstars in China, I understand that gambling is forbidden there, except in Macau. If that's why, don't take your particular problem as something general.

When I request a withdrawal from Pokerstars and it is approved, it arrives to my account almost instantly, so no problem with that. Besides, creating a free casino but charging doesn't make sense. You complicate everything a lot.

Whoever wants to play for free can go to Pokerstars and play with play money. The casino you can create is not going to have better software or more traffic than them.

Sir , thanks for your answer!
I didn’t mean I can’t withdraw from Pokerstars  ,  i mean i need to sell my usd to other china players because I can’t take usd from ps into my china bank .
I think Pokerstars is the best online room ,i love it .

[seagullx]

I am trying to understand the "Club" concept, but it is difficult with the language barrier. If I understand this correctly, Chinese people are not allowed to gamble on foreign websites. (except for government-sanctioned outlets) .... so if you create a local "Club" ...it will be exempted from this law?

So you want someone to create software that will help you "manage" these Clubs? The problem with this is that someone must administrate the software and the wallets linked to this software and that is where things are going wrong. (You need trusted individuals for multi signature wallets to sign off on payments) 

You are right!
About the payment,i think admins could solve it in private

[zidanw]

I think there are quite a few bans on China regarding gambling. And since it also concerns crypto gambling, that can be even more sensitive. There has been a lot of commotion in China because of the bitcoin. Was illegal/banned for a while, but I think I read that it is legal now. Many Chinese do not dare to take the gamble (literally and figuratively) because otherwise repremands may follow. China and gambling in Bitcoin do not go well together due to the strict rules.

[Eureka_07]

It could work. However the problem might.. Does any casino owner will let you borrow some of their website's space to operate your own game? Maybe there could be someone, but I think you will need to pay them a lot for that.

Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?

Free casino website? That doesn't exists. You have lots of investment for that. Domain, devs, supports, partnerships, etc.

[seagullx]

I think there are quite a few bans on China regarding gambling. And since it also concerns crypto gambling, that can be even more sensitive. There has been a lot of commotion in China because of the bitcoin. Was illegal/banned for a while, but I think I read that it is legal now. Many Chinese do not dare to take the gamble (literally and figuratively) because otherwise repremands may follow. China and gambling in Bitcoin do not go well together due to the strict rules.

yes，you‘r right！It’s difficult to mix . China, gambling,crypto   
But we need it!

[tabas]

I am confused but at the same, I can understand what you're trying to say. AFAIK, there are casinos that have those technicalities that you've mentioned.
And making one isn't as easy as you suggest but the main thing that I've understood from what you're saying is all about business and profit. There are things needed to be cleared, casinos don't operate for free, and if you think that the main source of income could be from the clubs. It's just going to be another source but not the main.

[Cling18]

You couldn't do all those things simply because crypto gambling is prohibited and restricted in China. There are also terms of service by gambling sites that you have to consider. There's no free casino website and putting up a site would cost you a lot but you still have to consider your location.

[seagullx]

I am confused but at the same, I can understand what you're trying to say. AFAIK, there are casinos that have those technicalities that you've mentioned.
And making one isn't as easy as you suggest but the main thing that I've understood from what you're saying is all about business and profit. There are things needed to be cleared, casinos don't operate for free, and if you think that the main source of income could be from the clubs. It's just going to be another source but not the main.

Yes,its not the main income, but if i have a online casino right now, i will provide the crypto games  to illegal areas players for free  ,if they want to win real money , could use vpn access main website.

[YOSHIE]

Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?

Not sure here what you're looking for, but if you visit the Games and spins board it's here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=71.0, You will find hundreds of games or gambling sites that offer free games, up to thousands of dollars.


Club, what do you mean, we are here often involved in free gambling sites, without the club chairman and so on, we can still do free things about betting, everything is going well.

OP, bet on a free gambling site, it's not an antique bike that a club requires.

[seagullx]

Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?

Not sure here what you're looking for, but if you visit the Games and spins board it's here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=71.0, You will find hundreds of games or gambling sites that offer free games, up to thousands of dollars.


Club, what do you mean, we are here often involved in free gambling sites, without the club chairman and so on, we can still do free things about betting, everything is going well.

OP, bet on a free gambling site, it's not an antique bike that a club requires.

Yes,you are right!

[CaVO32]

I am confused but at the same, I can understand what you're trying to say. AFAIK, there are casinos that have those technicalities that you've mentioned.
And making one isn't as easy as you suggest but the main thing that I've understood from what you're saying is all about business and profit. There are things needed to be cleared, casinos don't operate for free, and if you think that the main source of income could be from the clubs. It's just going to be another source but not the main.

Yes,its not the main income, but if i have a online casino right now, i will provide the crypto games  to illegal areas players for free  ,if they want to win real money , could use vpn access main website.

Your main consideration is where will you get the bankroll? In every casino, bankroll is one of the important things to consider because without it, I don't think there will be interested players. You can definitely put up an online casino, but the maintenance would be another thing. There are already casinos accepting the use of VPN. The usual hesitation of players is can you pay their winnings? Because if you have no solid financial backing, the lifespan of the casino would just be short.

[Wexnident]

Yes,its not the main income, but if i have a online casino right now, i will provide the crypto games  to illegal areas players for free  ,if they want to win real money , could use vpn access main website.

See I think that's the main problem. You want to set up basically an illegal type of casino esque, and users wouldn't be the one liable for being taken into court, it'd be the casino owner. I honestly just think users should just use VPN to play on whichever casino they already want, and that would directly solve the problem.

As for the concept of "clubs", well, I think those don't need a central owner, or a central organization that handles them, clubs are in some sense, a private gathering of individuals who want to hang out or talk to each other, there's no need for someone to handle or control them. Well if the casino itself integrates the idea of clubs in some sense, then there's nothing we can do about that, but if it were something like only made by users, then I don't think it could work. The group would be handling money afterall imo.

[Fortify]

Hello,everyone !
This is my first time to post on bitcointalk。
I come from china ,my English is not good ，most time，i need Google translate，thanks this invention。
I have read a lot of artcles here，i visited some online gaming websites, and test bcgame,stakes,free bitcoin etc, crash and mines are perfect games , i really love them!
Cryptocurrency let me enjoyed the funny on these gaming website.

A few years ago, when i could play real money on Pokerstars in china , its so difficult  to withdraw,
I need to sell my usd to other players,  a smart guy invent an application named”poker master ”
People could creat free club and invite friends play poker(gamble) together

I’m a stupid kid , so i have a question want to get somes good answers from smart guys ,
Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?
Its different meaning  with affiliate.
Website could charge some money from club admin even margin(limit bet figure)!
If this club admin is a scammer ,you could help their players recoup lost or not !
Club’s players deposit/withdraw  money(cryptocurrency)  to admin.
You can provide payment api to admins and make money.
Some big rewards games like lottery  you can control it by own website not clubs
People could buy lottery by your token or other coins.
I’m not sure,it’s worth to test or not . Or even have someone are doing it
Let me know the result please
In the end , thanks everyone’s answers if you would give me some good ideas

It seems like the Chinese government plays a big part in this. Businesses love stability and unfortunately in that country the laws can change like the direction of the wind. We saw a random crackdown in Macau recently and a few big casinos got targeted with the owners arrested. There is also a lot of people in the country and free games cost the casino big money, if people set up an operation to take the money and run - that casino is out of money really soon.

[Similificator]

Well the idea itself isn't really that bad if I were to give my own opinion about this. However, there will be trust issues with the admin that you have mentioned. But yes, this isn't a very heavy problem that cannot be solved. Just have to have a reputable enough existing gambling site to act as an admin so that trust issues can be minimized and gradually improve more in the positive side. This is something new and pretty interesting and may attract a lot of gamblers looking for new ways to have fun. I wonder if some gambling sites would really adopt such an idea.

[seagullx]

Well the idea itself isn't really that bad if I were to give my own opinion about this. However, there will be trust issues with the admin that you have mentioned. But yes, this isn't a very heavy problem that cannot be solved. Just have to have a reputable enough existing gambling site to act as an admin so that trust issues can be minimized and gradually improve more in the positive side. This is something new and pretty interesting and may attract a lot of gamblers looking for new ways to have fun. I wonder if some gambling sites would really adopt such an idea.

its like ，we can't play real money online poker in china， but we can play free chips poker and gamble with friends in our club by 1 chip :1 real money 。 to platform，they only make money from expend players chips

[keyscore44]

Well the idea itself isn't really that bad if I were to give my own opinion about this. However, there will be trust issues with the admin that you have mentioned. But yes, this isn't a very heavy problem that cannot be solved. Just have to have a reputable enough existing gambling site to act as an admin so that trust issues can be minimized and gradually improve more in the positive side. This is something new and pretty interesting and may attract a lot of gamblers looking for new ways to have fun. I wonder if some gambling sites would really adopt such an idea.

its like ，we can't play real money online poker in china， but we can play free chips poker and gamble with friends in our club by 1 chip :1 real money 。 to platform，they only make money from expend players chips

I don't really understand how you want to combine a free chips game in "club" with a real money game.
Casinos are a business where you play for real money. If you want to play for free chips, you will surely find some demo games.
If you have any magical way to turn free chips into money, just describe it, because I don't think anyone here understands it.

[|MINER|]

If you are looking for free spin in online casino the. You will found lots of casino in online if you do little search . But I think this is only waste of time . These casinos will make you the winner but at the last minute you will see that you have lost.  And in some cases, if there is a withdrawal option or a reward, then it is a negligible amount

[safari88]

There are already casinos that has that feature but aren't crypto platforms and just mostly supports their local fiat and payment methods. There is no blockchain casino as well that has the feature to create clubs (AFAIK) and is a customer-owned platform. As like the others say, that's a shady way to make a payment method. You cannot just send crypto on one person in his wallet then he just manually adds digits to your 'wallet'. Even that alone is a red flag. Payment methods and crypto games should be on blockchain and played within the blockchain as well to provide transparency and less scam.

I couldn’t agree more with you. While some are in sympathy with the sentiments of OP, as to why this concept was raised in the first place, I think that many would find this improbable due to security and credibility of transaction executions. On the other hand, maybe OP is speaking on behalf of his experiences in concerned with his homeland, just like what the others have mentioned. Perhaps, someone who has the same sentiments, or even experience with OP, could then try to put the concept in reality and see if this is really plausible to be successful.

[fiulpro]

Basically you want to create an online free gambling club which would be done by mainly a casino but for real it would be the people who would be playing on it without the intervention? I don't know really or you want to use someone as an escrow ?

This is not entirely possible some of the things :
1. The games are developed, they are paid for and these things are generally required to get tested and also checked for fairness, so all the developers might have to develope these games and give rights to them as well making it expensive to let people use it for free.
2. There are social networks where people can use and assemble their friends and teams to play other than that the casinos also have chat rooms as well where u can chat and play or even go on the live platform as well.

Maybe I don't understand your question that well.

[tabas]

I am confused but at the same, I can understand what you're trying to say. AFAIK, there are casinos that have those technicalities that you've mentioned.
And making one isn't as easy as you suggest but the main thing that I've understood from what you're saying is all about business and profit. There are things needed to be cleared, casinos don't operate for free, and if you think that the main source of income could be from the clubs. It's just going to be another source but not the main.

Yes,its not the main income, but if i have a online casino right now, i will provide the crypto games  to illegal areas players for free  ,if they want to win real money , could use vpn access main website.

You're the owner and you're going to provide illegal access? Like those countries that you should prohibit will be provided with VPN so that they can still access your casino.
Well, I get it now and that's what you're trying to say. If a gambler really wants to gamble to your casino whether you provide them or vpn for free, they'll come to you.

[Erdogan]

I am confused but at the same, I can understand what you're trying to say. AFAIK, there are casinos that have those technicalities that you've mentioned.
And making one isn't as easy as you suggest but the main thing that I've understood from what you're saying is all about business and profit. There are things needed to be cleared, casinos don't operate for free, and if you think that the main source of income could be from the clubs. It's just going to be another source but not the main.

Yes,its not the main income, but if i have a online casino right now, i will provide the crypto games  to illegal areas players for free  ,if they want to win real money , could use vpn access main website.

You're the owner and you're going to provide illegal access? Like those countries that you should prohibit will be provided with VPN so that they can still access your casino.
Well, I get it now and that's what you're trying to say. If a gambler really wants to gamble to your casino whether you provide them or vpn for free, they'll come to you.

I have doubts if there is anything illegal in what OP wants to do. I think he just wants to play in casino but for free chips, not for money. However, when it comes to this, there are many casinos that offer a demo option, where you can play for free chips. If in the country where OP lives, even access to the demo version is illegal, then he can use VPN and the case is solved.

[goldkingcoiner]

Hello,everyone !
This is my first time to post on bitcointalk。
I come from china ,my English is not good ，most time，i need Google translate，thanks this invention。
I have read a lot of artcles here，i visited some online gaming websites, and test bcgame,stakes,free bitcoin etc, crash and mines are perfect games , i really love them!
Cryptocurrency let me enjoyed the funny on these gaming website.

A few years ago, when i could play real money on Pokerstars in china , its so difficult  to withdraw,
I need to sell my usd to other players,  a smart guy invent an application named”poker master ”
People could creat free club and invite friends play poker(gamble) together

I’m a stupid kid , so i have a question want to get somes good answers from smart guys ,
Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?
Its different meaning  with affiliate.
Website could charge some money from club admin even margin(limit bet figure)!
If this club admin is a scammer ,you could help their players recoup lost or not !
Club’s players deposit/withdraw  money(cryptocurrency)  to admin.
You can provide payment api to admins and make money.
Some big rewards games like lottery  you can control it by own website not clubs
People could buy lottery by your token or other coins.
I’m not sure,it’s worth to test or not . Or even have someone are doing it
Let me know the result please
In the end , thanks everyone’s answers if you would give me some good ideas

Hello chinese friend. Welcome to our forum! We hope you enjoy your time with us.

I have read your text and as far as I understand it, you could make a trustless version of what you describe. Or at least a community-vote based DAO (Decentralized Autonomous Organisation) with the use of smart contracts.

So the question of needing to trust the club admin with the money is unnecessary, I would think. Unfortunately I am no smart contract developer that understands what conditions would need to be met for such a DAO to even be possible.

I think you might find an answer to that if you ask in the project development subforum. Lots of experienced developers are in that subforum.

[tabas]

You're the owner and you're going to provide illegal access? Like those countries that you should prohibit will be provided with VPN so that they can still access your casino.
Well, I get it now and that's what you're trying to say. If a gambler really wants to gamble to your casino whether you provide them or vpn for free, they'll come to you.

I have doubts if there is anything illegal in what OP wants to do. I think he just wants to play in casino but for free chips, not for money. However, when it comes to this, there are many casinos that offer a demo option, where you can play for free chips. If in the country where OP lives, even access to the demo version is illegal, then he can use VPN and the case is solved.

Understanding what he said, that's what he wants. Like if he's a casino owner and registered locally, there are countries that are restricted in accessing on his casino.
But what he wants to do is allowing them to gain access and he's the one to provide them VPN. Well, businessmen like that way because it's more money coming in to them but there's a law that prohibits it.

[Oceat]

You're the owner and you're going to provide illegal access? Like those countries that you should prohibit will be provided with VPN so that they can still access your casino.
Well, I get it now and that's what you're trying to say. If a gambler really wants to gamble to your casino whether you provide them or vpn for free, they'll come to you.

I have doubts if there is anything illegal in what OP wants to do. I think he just wants to play in casino but for free chips, not for money. However, when it comes to this, there are many casinos that offer a demo option, where you can play for free chips. If in the country where OP lives, even access to the demo version is illegal, then he can use VPN and the case is solved.

Understanding what he said, that's what he wants. Like if he's a casino owner and registered locally, there are countries that are restricted in accessing on his casino.
But what he wants to do is allowing them to gain access and he's the one to provide them VPN. Well, businessmen like that way because it's more money coming in to them but there's a law that prohibits it.

I think a law prohibiting them to play in their casino is enough of a challenge and I won't like to exceed beyond that because I think providing free pass to other countries from accessing to your casino is hassle IMO. Not unless, of course, if their government allowed other countries but that's not going to happen in their current status.

This is the problem when you are living in China because almost everything their was controlled by the government so having to have a free pass inside on their territory is not gonna happen.

[seagullx]

Well the idea itself isn't really that bad if I were to give my own opinion about this. However, there will be trust issues with the admin that you have mentioned. But yes, this isn't a very heavy problem that cannot be solved. Just have to have a reputable enough existing gambling site to act as an admin so that trust issues can be minimized and gradually improve more in the positive side. This is something new and pretty interesting and may attract a lot of gamblers looking for new ways to have fun. I wonder if some gambling sites would really adopt such an idea.

its like ，we can't play real money online poker in china， but we can play free chips poker and gamble with friends in our club by 1 chip :1 real money 。 to platform，they only make money from expend players chips

I don't really understand how you want to combine a free chips game in "club" with a real money game.
Casinos are a business where you play for real money. If you want to play for free chips, you will surely find some demo games.
If you have any magical way to turn free chips into money, just describe it, because I don't think anyone here understands it.

Thanks for you answer ,
First,  I’m living in china , we can’t use crypto or play gambling games right? It’s illegal
But , as the crypto game ,like crash , its just a good game , fair and interesting .
How we can play it in illegal areas?  Just provider it for free coins. Right?
If you want use it gambling , how?
You could join a club on this website , and gamble with the admin of this club.
You could use the special club coins. 1:1 , before you want play , you have to deposit to the admin first
Nobody knows , its your personal action。
But to the platform ,looks like  just a free website provide free crypto games

[mdzahed134]

In my opinion, A poker site like that is risky. Indeed you can create free club but as you have said, the deposit and withdrawal must go through the admin. The chance of admin taking your funds is high especially those who gamble with lots of money or decent amount. If I were you, I wouldn't deposit there even if I did make a research about the admin and the site. It's better if you play poker on a casino that doesn't do these things which is very risky as I have said about it.

In my experience, we always as players to trust the casino
Why we trust a big casino website , because they have lots of players by a long time.
If everyone could to creat own casino club by free casino wabsite, i believe lots of them would rather to pay something to this website！

We shouldn’t Trust any random crypto casino sites because i see a lot of scam in the online gambling sector. I believed only some established casino sites those are running for the last few years. I think it's foolish for everyone to create individual platform, how do you believe a random people who will create own casino platform.

[seagullx]

In my opinion, A poker site like that is risky. Indeed you can create free club but as you have said, the deposit and withdrawal must go through the admin. The chance of admin taking your funds is high especially those who gamble with lots of money or decent amount. If I were you, I wouldn't deposit there even if I did make a research about the admin and the site. It's better if you play poker on a casino that doesn't do these things which is very risky as I have said about it.

In my experience, we always as players to trust the casino
Why we trust a big casino website , because they have lots of players by a long time.
If everyone could to creat own casino club by free casino wabsite, i believe lots of them would rather to pay something to this website！

We shouldn’t Trust any random crypto casino sites because i see a lot of scam in the online gambling sector. I believed only some established casino sites those are running for the last few years. I think it's foolish for everyone to create individual platform, how do you believe a random people who will create own casino platform.

Let agents players Gamble with themself
Platform just provide technology support

[nakamura12]

Let agents players Gamble with themself
Platform just provide technology support

No one said that a gambler or players will not gamble when they want to or not. You missed the point which is said that we can't just trust any casino that we see. Would you gamble if I give you a platform that only scam people of their money?. I'm sure there's only two possible answer which is you don't care either you get scammed or not as long as you will have fun or you don't want to gamble because you don't want to get scammed. Another possibility is you are one of the team of that platform to find people to scam their money.

[zidanw]

I went back here for progress check, I see that this has been a challenging case to unlock, and recommend to, based on what the forum users have replied in this thread. I think it would be best to talk and consult to experienced developers, if you really want pursue this, OP. We all understand where you are coming from, but you also have to weigh in the possibility of every spectrum of this concept. Otherwise, the usage of VPN in accessing different websites would be your best option here, so far.

[michellee]

Thanks for you answer ,
First,  I’m living in china , we can’t use crypto or play gambling games right? It’s illegal
But , as the crypto game ,like crash , its just a good game , fair and interesting .
How we can play it in illegal areas?  Just provider it for free coins. Right?
If you want use it gambling , how?
You could join a club on this website , and gamble with the admin of this club.
You could use the special club coins. 1:1 , before you want play , you have to deposit to the admin first
Nobody knows , its your personal action。
But to the platform ,looks like  just a free website provide free crypto games

You don't have to play gambling games because it's illegal. That's what needs to be understood because even if you use crypto to gamble, it's still illegal, right?

But you can use a VPN to visit gambling sites. Gambling sites may provide free coins to their members, especially if they are new gambling sites. But gambling sites can provide free coins to their members because they want to earn from their business.

But I think there is one gambling site that I know has a special coin and that site is betfury.io. On that site, you have the opportunity to get free coins, namely BFG tokens which you can use to gamble.

[VanityWallets2015]

I am not sure what do you mean by club, I know that you are just using a translation tool but I think what you are trying to say is that there should be an admin where he handles the poker group or something like that and if the admin is scammer then the gambling site would pay it? wouldn't it much better if the trusted gambling site would hold the funds for the security of their players?

[Similificator]

its like ，we can't play real money online poker in china， but we can play free chips poker and gamble with friends in our club by 1 chip :1 real money 。 to platform，they only make money from expend players chips

Yes, it seems clearer for me now. so you are saying you want someone to facilitate as an admin for a club that has real human members or friends where you can bet with using the chips which the admin is providing in a 1 is to 1 ratio like 1 chip is = to $1 right? And then the admin which provides these chips and the platform in which your club is in will make money by imposing tax of some sort for the services the admin and his platform provides? Is this what you mean?

If so, I think that this would be great as a new project. Like creating a platform that offers services like what you have mentioned and has options in being anonymous or creating a room that is private and only accessible for you and for the people you give invites to. While also utilizing a stable coin to use as chips or something like that. It can be a trustless system that wouldn't require an admin anymore and just the platform itself.

It would be pretty nice to see some developer insight about this.

[seagullx]

its like ，we can't play real money online poker in china， but we can play free chips poker and gamble with friends in our club by 1 chip :1 real money 。 to platform，they only make money from expend players chips

Yes, it seems clearer for me now. so you are saying you want someone to facilitate as an admin for a club that has real human members or friends where you can bet with using the chips which the admin is providing in a 1 is to 1 ratio like 1 chip is = to $1 right? And then the admin which provides these chips and the platform in which your club is in will make money by imposing tax of some sort for the services the admin and his platform provides? Is this what you mean?

If so, I think that this would be great as a new project. Like creating a platform that offers services like what you have mentioned and has options in being anonymous or creating a room that is private and only accessible for you and for the people you give invites to. While also utilizing a stable coin to use as chips or something like that. It can be a trustless system that wouldn't require an admin anymore and just the platform itself.

It would be pretty nice to see some developer insight about this.

finally，you understand what i really want to say!
It’s like we don’t gamble with casino , so they don’t need to cheat their users.instead of that
They would rather to provide more fair games to their agents (club admins)

[safari88]

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Thank you to @Similificator for making this clearer. I guess you just have to connect with interested developers, OP, so that you could know how to pursue this idea. If this will be possible, and successfully executed, then this would be a big thing that would be loved by many gamblers who wants to a have a private game and those from countries that are prohibiting gambling activities.

[seagullx]

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Thank you to @Similificator for making this clearer. I guess you just have to connect with interested developers, OP, so that you could know how to pursue this idea. If this will be possible, and successfully executed, then this would be a big thing that would be loved by many gamblers who wants to a have a private game and those from countries that are prohibiting gambling activities.

all of these. Just a little idea, i know talk is cheap ,show me the code,but I’m not software engineer
will somebody knows how to get it success，or interest of these，maybe we could to join a telegram group to talk this!
Btw: I’m learning English hard everyday , if you can’t understand me, just point my fault , that will be very helpful to me ! Thank u everybody!

[kaya11]

A few years ago, when i could play real money on Pokerstars in china , its so difficult  to withdraw,
I need to sell my usd to other players,  a smart guy invent an application named”poker master ”
People could creat free club and invite friends play poker(gamble) together

How do you bet? Is it same as Casino in here? Is there a midman or an escrow that holds your funds if you play with your friends on that app or club your into? I think it is too risky, even online Casino these days are regulated by the government. Is that somehow illegal? I never have experienced something like that online, but in real life it is possible as you can see the players who are with you on the table playing poker. Your ideas have so many flaws and it needs professionals on that field to build such app, and nobody would take that job unless you pay them.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?

I honestly do not properly understand what you mean by this, but I will try to give an answer from the level to which I understand, I understand that what you mean Is different from casino forum, what you mean is a casino that for example, acts like Ethereum which allows other devs to build their own projects in the form of erc20.

The truth is, I don't think any crypto casino platform currently have such ability, and I also don't think any crypto casino would like to venture into such, as the journey might be futile.

[magneto]

I think there are probably regulatory concerns with it.

I do understand what you're trying to get at - a sort of pure gameplay app/website where no money exchanges hands, and all that is done is the actual gameplay itself.

Still though, I'd imagine there are huge barriers to entry for the Chinese app industry and it's probably extremely unprofitable compared to running an actual casino for the people who have the capacity to do it.

[tabas]

Understanding what he said, that's what he wants. Like if he's a casino owner and registered locally, there are countries that are restricted in accessing on his casino.
But what he wants to do is allowing them to gain access and he's the one to provide them VPN. Well, businessmen like that way because it's more money coming in to them but there's a law that prohibits it.

I think a law prohibiting them to play in their casino is enough of a challenge and I won't like to exceed beyond that because I think providing free pass to other countries from accessing to your casino is hassle IMO. Not unless, of course, if their government allowed other countries but that's not going to happen in their current status.

This is the problem when you are living in China because almost everything their was controlled by the government so having to have a free pass inside on their territory is not gonna happen.

There's a reason why those countries are specifically blocked from accessing. And with what he said, as an owner, he'll provide access to them and will even give a tool for it.
Well, it's his problem and strategy if ever he's get into reality with that idea and will have his own casino soon. He's explained enough with what he likes and it's up to everyone what's going to be the take for it.

[seagullx]

About the crypto game : crash. ( example )
1:We all know it’s house edge :1%
2:This game you access any gambling website , its always auto run there .

How to change it ? Or could we change it different?

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience  i think its gone be ok!

2:How we make money for admins?
We could control the game time！
you as the admin， you could choose to open a new game anytime，and control the game time like 30mins or 1hour， why do that？ you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your club，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but in 30mins，i don’t know i will win the game or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

3: if as a player , you think its not fair about the hash , you could choose to different seeds game room

[perla]

So you are not allowed to play games or to deposit money or crypto but still wanted to play with a local game that is handled by local trusted admin? I think it is impossible for you since most of the reputable and trusted gambling site here is regulated and I am sure that your country is banned from playing and if you are going to play through unregulated gambling site, the chance of them to scam you is high.

[Similificator]

Thank you to @Similificator for making this clearer. I guess you just have to connect with interested developers, OP, so that you could know how to pursue this idea. If this will be possible, and successfully executed, then this would be a big thing that would be loved by many gamblers who wants to a have a private game and those from countries that are prohibiting gambling activities.

all of these. Just a little idea, i know talk is cheap ,show me the code,but I’m not software engineer
will somebody knows how to get it success，or interest of these，maybe we could to join a telegram group to talk this!
Btw: I’m learning English hard everyday , if you can’t understand me, just point my fault , that will be very helpful to me ! Thank u everybody!

The idea itself is pretty plausible and a lot may want this kind of service as well but if I were to be honest, for Chinese citizens such as you @seagullx, even when such a platform gets created, I highly doubt that you would be able to utilize their services because most probably, the platform would not allow certain countries to participate or use their services. And the way I see it, China will surely be one of those countries since there are strict laws that prevents gambling there. Because regardless of how it is being done, gambling is still gambling and I highly doubt that such platforms and their owners would risk compromising their reputation and hard work as they may get chased by regulators if they try to force offering such services to countries that do not allow such services. I guess the only way you can gamble online is via the traditional way; using VPNs.

[Emitdama]

We shouldn’t Trust any random crypto casino sites because i see a lot of scam in the online gambling sector. I believed only some established casino sites those are running for the last few years. I think it's foolish for everyone to create individual platform, how do you believe a random people who will create own casino platform.

I can see that the OP has some difficulty to play gambling due to country restrictions. That is the main reason why he was checking out non mainstream casinos but before he puts his full trust on that casino, would it be better if he do some investigations and if ever proven that, that site was somehow legit, he may then start with smaller amounts for some time, before finally depositing the amounts that he usually gambled with on other more trusted casinos.

It was the club that they are trying to create not a platform or maybe you mean the ones that creates his own casino? But either of that two, it's not foolish to create one as long as you are being honest of your intention.

[safari88]

all of these. Just a little idea, i know talk is cheap ,show me the code,but I’m not software engineer
will somebody knows how to get it success，or interest of these，maybe we could to join a telegram group to talk this!
Btw: I’m learning English hard everyday , if you can’t understand me, just point my fault , that will be very helpful to me ! Thank u everybody!

Although I mean somehow not a hundred percent sure that this would be really successfully made into reality, I would be interested to join a telegram group with you if ever you decided to have one. I would want to observe the plans, and if my capacity would allow perhaps I could give input, and witness if this will be achieved. It is good that you are trying to learn English, since it is a language that is highly used for international communication, then it is an advantage really. Practice more, then you’ll eventually get better in expressing your thought in the English.

[qwertyup23]

I am somehow confused on what you are asking but I will try to help you- since BTC has been banned in China, you are looking for an alternative to gamble/earn cryptocurrencies in your country via gambling? As far as I know, all online gambling casinos have free registration. In addition, there are others who offer freebies and bonuses upon registering- you just have to take your pick in which casino you are going to engage on.

Be careful, however, since there has been a cryptocurrency ban on your country, your IP address might be tracked down by the government. So gambling with the risks involved in your situation before fully committing.

[dothebeats]

China is very hard to penetrate when it comes to gambling. The market is quite high, but the government would surely put a keen eye on the said industry. That's why a lot of wealthy Chinese gamble on other parts of the world outside their country due to the very hard restrictions imposed by the communist government. If the creators and operators of the casino will somehow be guaranteed a license to operate, and secure the trust of the government, it is very possible. But very few people often gain the trust of the gov't in China. Also, crypto in China is very confusing hecauae you don't know the actual stance of the government on the said matter. Next thing you know your assets are beinf seized and your platform closed by the gov'f due to breaking the law you know wasn't even existing before.

[seagullx]

So you are not allowed to play games or to deposit money or crypto but still wanted to play with a local game that is handled by local trusted admin? I think it is impossible for you since most of the reputable and trusted gambling site here is regulated and I am sure that your country is banned from playing and if you are going to play through unregulated gambling site, the chance of them to scam you is high.

I want a real security casino ， no kyc，no cheat ，no fake publicity。
the only one thing we have to trust is the admin of club。

[popeye95]

So you are not allowed to play games or to deposit money or crypto but still wanted to play with a local game that is handled by local trusted admin? I think it is impossible for you since most of the reputable and trusted gambling site here is regulated and I am sure that your country is banned from playing and if you are going to play through unregulated gambling site, the chance of them to scam you is high.

I want a real security casino ， no kyc，no cheat ，no fake publicity。
the only one thing we have to trust is the admin of club。

I think I can understand what you mean and what you want. Because gambling is heavily regulated by China government and they did a fine job on it so you won't be able to play any gambling site in China. This leads to local illegal gambling house that depends on the reputation of the house to attract local players. some ok but some can cheat you if you are on the roll. And because it was illegal gambling in China so you as the victim won't dare to report them, hence leading more weight to the house, that they can do anything to you and so remove the 'fair play' term for both the house and player in gambling.

So if you want all of the security and trust but no cheating or fake then you have to go to a real casino that is based in a foreign country and allows gambling under their protected laws. I know, because of covid so you from China can't go abroad and just want a site that enforces the rule but let the player create a game, and invite others to join. I don't really get the part about why you want to be the admin of the group since you need to understand if you still stay in China while doing this, being the owner of the gambling group, organizing and earning the cut from it, anyone can report you to the govt and you will land in the prison very fast. You want to be a big fish but don't want to take responsibility for it. You want the house to take that responsibility for you but you still take a cut from it? Sorry, but that sounds very unlikely.

[Fortify]

Hello,everyone !
This is my first time to post on bitcointalk。
I come from china ,my English is not good ，most time，i need Google translate，thanks this invention。
I have read a lot of artcles here，i visited some online gaming websites, and test bcgame,stakes,free bitcoin etc, crash and mines are perfect games , i really love them!
Cryptocurrency let me enjoyed the funny on these gaming website.

A few years ago, when i could play real money on Pokerstars in china , its so difficult  to withdraw,
I need to sell my usd to other players,  a smart guy invent an application named”poker master ”
People could creat free club and invite friends play poker(gamble) together

Sadly China has garnered a very rough reputation in many countries and plenty of business owners will avoid interacting with players from the country because there are so many different types of abuse happening. There is still a lot of poverty in the country, unlike what the media would have you believe, outside of the big cities and people will to do all sorts of trivial things for tiny amounts of money. That makes any kind of freebie a no-go and the government definitely does not have a good legal infrastructure either, which makes it a wild-west where only Chinese nationals can benefit. You should probably ask around in Chinese forums where to make money in this arena because the great firewall of China and language barrier also makes it difficult to suggest things.

[ethereumhunter]

So you are not allowed to play games or to deposit money or crypto but still wanted to play with a local game that is handled by local trusted admin? I think it is impossible for you since most of the reputable and trusted gambling site here is regulated and I am sure that your country is banned from playing and if you are going to play through unregulated gambling site, the chance of them to scam you is high.

I want a real security casino ， no kyc，no cheat ，no fake publicity。
the only one thing we have to trust is the admin of club。

Do you already ask this in the Chinese subboard? When you ask on the international board, maybe not many people will know what you want. But you can ask your local people in the sub-board that can help you fit what you want.

You can visit Gambling board to find the casino. Sportsbet.io, Duelbits, Roobet, Betfury, Bitcasino.io, Playbetr.com, Freebitco.in, Winz.io, BlackJack.fun, FortuneJack, Owl.games, Rollbit and many more are the lists of a good casinos and so far, I play without doing KYC on those sites.

[Poker Player]

I want a real security casino ， no kyc，no cheat ，no fake publicity。
the only one thing we have to trust is the admin of club。

The problem with wanting that in poker is that it's like wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

No kyc playing poker opens a very large window of opportunity for collusion. Online poker houses like Pokerstars have people dedicated to prevent collusion, and that all players are perfectly identified. Without kyc the same person can have two or three players at the table without any problem. Or agree with two or three people.

[delfastTions]

I want a real security casino ， no kyc，no cheat ，no fake publicity。
the only one thing we have to trust is the admin of club。

The problem with wanting that in poker is that it's like wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

No kyc playing poker opens a very large window of opportunity for collusion. Online poker houses like Pokerstars have people dedicated to prevent collusion, and that all players are perfectly identified. Without kyc the same person can have two or three players at the table without any problem. Or agree with two or three people.

In such cases, KYC is not a guarantee against the participation of fraudsters in the game. Competent scammers will register other people through KYC, perhaps even having nothing to do with them, and not at all relatives, but just an outsider, paying him a little for the documents provided for KYC. And then really scammers can play as if for three players, although only a fraudster himself really plays. Unfortunately, this is the problem of online games.
And they are really solved only when you play in a physical casino, with real people who are sitting next to you at the gaming table.

[seagullx]

I want a real security casino ， no kyc，no cheat ，no fake publicity。
the only one thing we have to trust is the admin of club。

The problem with wanting that in poker is that it's like wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

No kyc playing poker opens a very large window of opportunity for collusion. Online poker houses like Pokerstars have people dedicated to prevent collusion, and that all players are perfectly identified. Without kyc the same person can have two or three players at the table without any problem. Or agree with two or three people.

In such cases, KYC is not a guarantee against the participation of fraudsters in the game. Competent scammers will register other people through KYC, perhaps even having nothing to do with them, and not at all relatives, but just an outsider, paying him a little for the documents provided for KYC. And then really scammers can play as if for three players, although only a fraudster himself really plays. Unfortunately, this is the problem of online games.
And they are really solved only when you play in a physical casino, with real people who are sitting next to you at the gaming table.

pvp game ，like poker ，always have players colluding each other， but casino games how to do that？
its not pvp ， the edge will always win！

[barbara44]

In such cases, KYC is not a guarantee against the participation of fraudsters in the game. Competent scammers will register other people through KYC, perhaps even having nothing to do with them, and not at all relatives, but just an outsider, paying him a little for the documents provided for KYC. And then really scammers can play as if for three players, although only a fraudster himself really plays. Unfortunately, this is the problem of online games.
And they are really solved only when you play in a physical casino, with real people who are sitting next to you at the gaming table.

pvp game ，like poker ，always have players colluding each other， but casino games how to do that？
its not pvp ， the edge will always win！

Poker can be under the casino games category and poker game is a pvp so there you have it. There is always a way for them to collude. Casino owners must be aware of this so maybe they are doing something in order to prevent this kind of act.

Non-pvp games on the other hand have house edge's on them but there are times that a casino player can bag a win so no, not all times house edge wins. About the KYC on poker games, a poker player can use their own casino kyc and they can still cooperate with the other player. There's no need for them to use other people's kyc but they just want to make sure that they are going to be careful for them to not get caught.

[uneng]

I want a real security casino ， no kyc，no cheat ，no fake publicity。
the only one thing we have to trust is the admin of club。

The problem with wanting that in poker is that it's like wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

No kyc playing poker opens a very large window of opportunity for collusion. Online poker houses like Pokerstars have people dedicated to prevent collusion, and that all players are perfectly identified. Without kyc the same person can have two or three players at the table without any problem. Or agree with two or three people.

In such cases, KYC is not a guarantee against the participation of fraudsters in the game. Competent scammers will register other people through KYC, perhaps even having nothing to do with them, and not at all relatives, but just an outsider, paying him a little for the documents provided for KYC. And then really scammers can play as if for three players, although only a fraudster himself really plays. Unfortunately, this is the problem of online games.
And they are really solved only when you play in a physical casino, with real people who are sitting next to you at the gaming table.

pvp game ，like poker ，always have players colluding each other， but casino games how to do that？
its not pvp ， the edge will always win！

In casino games where you play against the house there won't be collusion. But if that is the case, why don't you play at normal crypto casinos which don't ask for kyc? There is no need to make the situation more difficult with clubs and admins... There must be someway for people in your country to deal with cryptocurrency and exchange it against yuan because I've already seen chineses using crypto in different sites, including casinos, even though gambling and bitcoin aren't allowed there.

[DoublerHunter]

~snip~
There must be someway for people in your country to deal with cryptocurrency and exchange it against yuan because I've already seen chineses using crypto in different sites, including casinos, even though gambling and bitcoin aren't allowed there.

^ I think migrating into another country is one of the best solutions here, dont risk your company, once it is not allowed it will become illegal in that way.
Raising a company is not a joke, it needs thousands of dollars before you will have it, and from time to time, you will seize by the government and won't operate again because you are operating even though it is prohibited. Probably that is the best idea here, but still, the decision was on the OP, OP needs to weigh this situation and consider the legalization to be followed.

[Theones]

~snip~
There must be someway for people in your country to deal with cryptocurrency and exchange it against yuan because I've already seen chineses using crypto in different sites, including casinos, even though gambling and bitcoin aren't allowed there.

^ I think migrating into another country is one of the best solutions here, dont risk your company, once it is not allowed it will become illegal in that way.
Raising a company is not a joke, it needs thousands of dollars before you will have it, and from time to time, you will seize by the government and won't operate again because you are operating even though it is prohibited. Probably that is the best idea here, but still, the decision was on the OP, OP needs to weigh this situation and consider the legalization to be followed.

TO me the biggest problem for Chinese is a language banner. It is for both the parties. The buyers and seller. I think the OP person must learn English as well as he/she mentioned they have difficulty speaking and writing. So it would be very hard for them to be in the game - how would he learn when he would have to translate each and everything

[seagullx]

~snip~
There must be someway for people in your country to deal with cryptocurrency and exchange it against yuan because I've already seen chineses using crypto in different sites, including casinos, even though gambling and bitcoin aren't allowed there.

^ I think migrating into another country is one of the best solutions here, dont risk your company, once it is not allowed it will become illegal in that way.
Raising a company is not a joke, it needs thousands of dollars before you will have it, and from time to time, you will seize by the government and won't operate again because you are operating even though it is prohibited. Probably that is the best idea here, but still, the decision was on the OP, OP needs to weigh this situation and consider the legalization to be followed.

TO me the biggest problem for Chinese is a language banner. It is for both the parties. The buyers and seller. I think the OP person must learn English as well as he/she mentioned they have difficulty speaking and writing. So it would be very hard for them to be in the game - how would he learn when he would have to translate each and everything

Thanks for your time man!
I’m trying my best to improve my English .I believe i could learn it well in the future !

[Theones]

Thanks for your time man!
I’m trying my best to improve my English .I believe i could learn it well in the future !

How are trying to learn english? I think that is basic barrier for the chinese people. Just my concern is - why is this a problem. Is english not in chinese course?
Many of the buyers from other countries faces the same issue - so I think there is a need to look up to the english for a better understanding?

[AmoreJaz]

Thanks for your time man!
I’m trying my best to improve my English .I believe i could learn it well in the future !

How are trying to learn english? I think that is basic barrier for the chinese people. Just my concern is - why is this a problem. Is english not in chinese course?
Many of the buyers from other countries faces the same issue - so I think there is a need to look up to the english for a better understanding?

based from my quick search, english is already taught in schools starting from early level of their education. maybe, they only need practice of using this language. because if you happen to be living in china, of course, you will only speak in english if you are talking to a foreigner, otherwise, you will speak with your local language. for the OP, this forum will also be a good avenue for him to practice his english proficiency. if he will not be into gambling business, at least, be comfortable with english lang

[Desmong]

Thanks for your time man!
I’m trying my best to improve my English .I believe i could learn it well in the future !

How are trying to learn english? I think that is basic barrier for the chinese people. Just my concern is - why is this a problem. Is english not in chinese course?
Many of the buyers from other countries faces the same issue - so I think there is a need to look up to the english for a better understanding?

Op had really tried in his expression and I think he has to learn more or perfect his translation from chinese to english. Although he explained one or two things but I'm still skeptical about what his perspective is. If he's to create a club in a casino due to much restrictions I'm china, then he can go ahead with is plans but anything here is trust. The club admin can do away with funds from other club members and the casino could be held responsible. I don't think any Casino would accept this.

[Theones]

Op had really tried in his expression and I think he has to learn more or perfect his translation from chinese to english. Although he explained one or two things but I'm still skeptical about what his perspective is. If he's to create a club in a casino due to much restrictions I'm china, then he can go ahead with is plans but anything here is trust. The club admin can do away with funds from other club members and the casino could be held responsible. I don't think any Casino would accept this.

Most Chinese have their own Chinese client tale and they use their Chinese website. But for having a larger client tale there would be needing an English translation as well other wise the client will be only restricted to the china and those who know Chinese.

[seagullx]

Thanks for your time man!
I’m trying my best to improve my English .I believe i could learn it well in the future !

How are trying to learn english? I think that is basic barrier for the chinese people. Just my concern is - why is this a problem. Is english not in chinese course?
Many of the buyers from other countries faces the same issue - so I think there is a need to look up to the english for a better understanding?

Op had really tried in his expression and I think he has to learn more or perfect his translation from chinese to english. Although he explained one or two things but I'm still skeptical about what his perspective is. If he's to create a club in a casino due to much restrictions I'm china, then he can go ahead with is plans but anything here is trust. The club admin can do away with funds from other club members and the casino could be held responsible. I don't think any Casino would accept this.

This is a big problem !
In fact , to me , company or individual club ,they all can take away my money ， there are lots of scammers use fake gambling webseite swindle players。
First ， in my plan，if i am a YouTuber ， i have many fans , I could have a new choice , access a white label gambling website , creat my club , everyone play games gambling in my club , we could creat  Reward activity by ourself ， like：get a close contact with this youtuber （have dinner，drink，take photoes etc，）
even its just a free coins club，if admin don’t want to make money by this way!
Second,casino need make money , i know , but most people lose money is a terrible feeling ,if you play casino games for a long time , you lose more money!  How to solve this ?
1) every single  club  pay some money for the platform as fee, like 100-500usd /month,(different fee,different limits) if club amount is 100~1000,I think its good income! They make money from their players ,every club owner is an online casino owner, maybe all of them are scammers,but they have to invite player join this platform first! I believe ,its just a problem of time。 somebody will creat a real honest club for these players。lower house-edge，higher rankback，quickly customer service ，as club ，everything could be better than casino！

i need to deal my language Barrier first，then study some design /computer/gambling knowledge,
Maybe in the future , i could creat a free casino website for them!

[Agbe]

Your English is not too bad. I will say you are an average speaker of the second language (L2). My issue here is not the English language you used but the message here. I am not clear, in fact I do not understand the thread. You were saying you played poker and you could not withdraw the win. And a friend of yours invented "poker master" and everyone was going there to play the poker game. My friend. Your subject and the content are not the same. Are you asking to develop a online free casino or offline casino in China. If it is Yes, there is a Chinese sub-board or thread to discuss this your issue. Because discussing it here like swimming in the ocean. But if you discuss it in the China's Board it would be particularized and they would bring out points to develop a project in the said magnitude.

Although most of us have not been to China so to tell how to go about it is not easy. But you can still meet with that your friend to proceed the project. Because from your story he has a very big knowledge of it. Then my part to advise you is that. Base on your title. You can have Free casino games in China but if only you have the resources to carry out your project.

[seagullx]

Your English is not too bad. I will say you are an average speaker of the second language (L2). My issue here is not the English language you used but the message here. I am not clear, in fact I do not understand the thread. You were saying you played poker and you could not withdraw the win. And a friend of yours invented "poker master" and everyone was going there to play the poker game. My friend. Your subject and the content are not the same. Are you asking to develop a online free casino or offline casino in China. If it is Yes, there is a Chinese sub-board or thread to discuss this your issue. Because discussing it here like swimming in the ocean. But if you discuss it in the China's Board it would be particularized and they would bring out points to develop a project in the said magnitude.

Although most of us have not been to China so to tell how to go about it is not easy. But you can still meet with that your friend to proceed the project. Because from your story he has a very big knowledge of it. Then my part to advise you is that. Base on your title. You can have Free casino games in China but if only you have the resources to carry out your project.

It’s nearly zero in china ! In other words ,they are hiding in other countries!

[Theones]

Your English is not too bad. I will say you are an average speaker of the second language (L2). My issue here is not the English language you used but the message here. I am not clear, in fact I do not understand the thread. You were saying you played poker and you could not withdraw the win. And a friend of yours invented "poker master" and everyone was going there to play the poker game. My friend. Your subject and the content are not the same. Are you asking to develop a online free casino or offline casino in China. If it is Yes, there is a Chinese sub-board or thread to discuss this your issue. Because discussing it here like swimming in the ocean. But if you discuss it in the China's Board it would be particularized and they would bring out points to develop a project in the said magnitude.

Although most of us have not been to China so to tell how to go about it is not easy. But you can still meet with that your friend to proceed the project. Because from your story he has a very big knowledge of it. Then my part to advise you is that. Base on your title. You can have Free casino games in China but if only you have the resources to carry out your project.

I think - to excel in world. English is to be addressed. Many of the buyers from other countries faces a lot of problems when they are dealing with Chinese vendors. If the languge barrier is addressed there will be lot of progress. I am not sure why Chinese don't learn English language? 

[delfastTions]

.. . I am not sure why Chinese don't learn English language? 

I think that of course such a huge number of people in China do not need to know English at all.  Especially for residents of small towns and villages, where there are never English-speaking tourists or guests.
 However, English is simply necessary as the language of international communication and, above all, for specialists in the IT field.  So cooperation will be possible only in English. 
It also seems to me that it is quite difficult for the Chinese to learn a language from a completely different language group, so different from their native Chinese.

[Beparanf]

.. . I am not sure why Chinese don't learn English language? 

I think that of course such a huge number of people in China do not need to know English at all.  Especially for residents of small towns and villages, where there are never English-speaking tourists or guests.
 However, English is simply necessary as the language of international communication and, above all, for specialists in the IT field.  So cooperation will be possible only in English. 
It also seems to me that it is quite difficult for the Chinese to learn a language from a completely different language group, so different from their native Chinese.

In addition. Chinese government doesn't want there citizen learn English language since they are focus only on there own language while only rich people has an access to learning english by enrolling on private lessons. China is very strict when it comes to foreign culture or product, They even have there own social media and web browser just separate Chinese to the rest of the world. This is the reality for Chinese community so I'm not surprised how hard online gambling to access by its citizen.

[erep]

In addition. Chinese government doesn't want there citizen learn English language since they are focus only on there own language while only rich people has an access to learning english by enrolling on private lessons. China is very strict when it comes to foreign culture or product, They even have there own social media and web browser just separate Chinese to the rest of the world. This is the reality for Chinese community so I'm not surprised how hard online gambling to access by its citizen.

So Chinese people value their own culture and language so much that they don't want to get infected from outside culture, I may not know more specifics about Chinese people's life but avoiding foreign culture will be boring even though we don't follow the trending world, but anyway I really appreciate the differences because people The Chinese will love home-made products and anything internal.

[whiteblue]

I think - to excel in world. English is to be addressed. Many of the buyers from other countries faces a lot of problems when they are dealing with Chinese vendors. If the languge barrier is addressed there will be lot of progress. I am not sure why Chinese don't learn English language? 

I think everyone will be familiar with English as it is used on both mobile and desktop devices, so users of both devices will learn every language on mobile. I agree that English is important, but I also don't think that Chinese people value their own language more

[Theones]

I think everyone will be familiar with English as it is used on both mobile and desktop devices, so users of both devices will learn every language on mobile. I agree that English is important, but I also don't think that Chinese people value their own language more

I think chinese have not made english as a part of their curriculum. That is one of the reasons they have difficulty learning english.
Since it is an international language and one can not deny that it is very important to excel. Also there is so much gap if you are not able to coomunicate.

[delfastTions]

I think - to excel in world. English is to be addressed. Many of the buyers from other countries faces a lot of problems when they are dealing with Chinese vendors. If the languge barrier is addressed there will be lot of progress. I am not sure why Chinese don't learn English language? 

I think everyone will be familiar with English as it is used on both mobile and desktop devices, so users of both devices will learn every language on mobile. I agree that English is important, but I also don't think that Chinese people value their own language more

This is where I disagree.  I think that the Chinese just really appreciate and carefully treat their language.  Since this is not just a country, but a whole civilization, by and large it does not really need the spread of other languages.  Therefore, I can understand why the Chinese government does not encourage the mass study of English.  But it does not forbid, which is already good.  In addition, the mobile phones of the Chinese, too, have already been adapted to Chinese.  So probably more than a billion Chinese do not need to know English at all, even certain key and widespread English words.

[alisonwonder]

This is where I disagree.  I think that the Chinese just really appreciate and carefully treat their language.  Since this is not just a country, but a whole civilization, by and large it does not really need the spread of other languages.  Therefore, I can understand why the Chinese government does not encourage the mass study of English.  But it does not forbid, which is already good.  In addition, the mobile phones of the Chinese, too, have already been adapted to Chinese.  So probably more than a billion Chinese do not need to know English at all, even certain key and widespread English words.

It is inconceivable that Chinese people value civilization so much to cultivate something internally so as not to be affected by the changing times of the technological age, because they have everything in technological expertise so they don't need tools from outside exports in terms of mobile. devices, desktops, applications and etc. I am really amazed they can maintain it even in the case that English language education is not provided in the school curriculum.

[AicecreaME]

.. . I am not sure why Chinese don't learn English language? 

I think that of course such a huge number of people in China do not need to know English at all.  Especially for residents of small towns and villages, where there are never English-speaking tourists or guests.
 However, English is simply necessary as the language of international communication and, above all, for specialists in the IT field.  So cooperation will be possible only in English. 
It also seems to me that it is quite difficult for the Chinese to learn a language from a completely different language group, so different from their native Chinese.

In addition. Chinese government doesn't want there citizen learn English language since they are focus only on there own language while only rich people has an access to learning english by enrolling on private lessons. China is very strict when it comes to foreign culture or product, They even have there own social media and web browser just separate Chinese to the rest of the world. This is the reality for Chinese community so I'm not surprised how hard online gambling to access by its citizen.

I agree. It's an open secret that their government and leader in particular are strict when it comes with their tradition and culture. They cherish it so much to the point that learning other language such as english is a privilege enjoyed by those middle class and elites that can afford to enroll in learning international languages.

This is why we can also conclude how hard it would be for the Chinese citizens to be involved in gambling most especially if it didn't originate in them. Moreover, language barrier is a large factor as well if they would insist to gamble because most casinos offer english as language on their websites. Although there are few that offer it in different languages.

[Peanutswar]

You don't need to create a gambling platform just to seek fun because most the gambling platform have their demo event in the slot games so the players know and experience how the games work, but the problem is they didn't support the use of the demo game to their table top games which is just a waste of time if they made they have separate table or event for this kind of thing.

[aioc]

Thanks for your time man!
I’m trying my best to improve my English .I believe i could learn it well in the future !

How are trying to learn english? I think that is basic barrier for the chinese people. Just my concern is - why is this a problem. Is english not in chinese course?
Many of the buyers from other countries faces the same issue - so I think there is a need to look up to the english for a better understanding?

If you are a businessman and you will deal with Chinese businessmen you have to learn their language because they always have the upper hand in any deal, they will just learn how to speak English if they are opening a business where English is the native or dominant language.
Mandarin Chinese is the most dominant language and English only ranks number 3 behind Spanish

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

[ethereumhunter]

Maybe in the future , i could creat a free casino website for them!

Then good luck. Fyi, creating a free casino website is not recommended as gamblers will search for the legit and prestige of the casino. If you do that, I am afraid they will not join you because that will be too suspicious. Besides that, they are often playing gambling in a casino and they know that having a good casino will need more money so they will not look at your site, even if you have a good offer to them. Maybe only a few of them will join you.

[Cling18]

Thanks for your time man!
I’m trying my best to improve my English .I believe i could learn it well in the future !

How are trying to learn english? I think that is basic barrier for the chinese people. Just my concern is - why is this a problem. Is english not in chinese course?
Many the buyers from other countries face the same issue - so I think there is a need to look up to the English for a better understanding?

If you are a businessman and you will deal with Chinese businessmen you have to learn their language because they always have the upper hand in any deal, they will just learn how to speak English if they are opening a business where English is the native or dominant language.
Mandarin Chinese is the most dominant language and English only ranks number 3 behind Spanish

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

Language adoption is too important in the business world but most Chinese especially those who travel for business are also trying their best to communicate even using simple English words. Both parties could adjust if necessary because language ranking isn't a barrier. It's normal for businessmen to adjust and try hard to communicate in different ways. It's a good thing that there are already online translator apps that could help and other language tools.

[Theones]

Language adoption is too important in the business world but most Chinese especially those who travel for business are also trying their best to communicate even using simple English words. Both parties could adjust if necessary because language ranking isn't a barrier. It's normal for businessmen to adjust and try hard to communicate in different ways. It's a good thing that there are already online translator apps that could help and other language tools.

Language barrier is the worst thing - when you do not have the vocabulary to explain what you are trying to say to other in foreign language. You look like a joker trying to explain what you are trying to say. I once faced this situation and I was so helpless. And the other people who were unable to understand looks so goooaf. OH gosh!

[delfastTions]

I agree. It's an open secret that their government and leader in particular are strict when it comes with their tradition and culture. They cherish it so much to the point that learning other language such as english is a privilege enjoyed by those middle class and elites that can afford to enroll in learning international languages.
.

Do not forget that it is logical for the people of China to learn the languages ​​of their neighboring countries. Korean, Japanese, maybe Malay and Vietnamese.
Or even Russian. It is quite possible that the study of these languages ​​also takes quite a lot of time for schoolchildren to study them.
So English is shifted to a lower level of priority for its development by schoolchildren and then by students.