How to get Free games in china?

[keyscore44]

Well the idea itself isn't really that bad if I were to give my own opinion about this. However, there will be trust issues with the admin that you have mentioned. But yes, this isn't a very heavy problem that cannot be solved. Just have to have a reputable enough existing gambling site to act as an admin so that trust issues can be minimized and gradually improve more in the positive side. This is something new and pretty interesting and may attract a lot of gamblers looking for new ways to have fun. I wonder if some gambling sites would really adopt such an idea.

its like ，we can't play real money online poker in china， but we can play free chips poker and gamble with friends in our club by 1 chip :1 real money 。 to platform，they only make money from expend players chips

I don't really understand how you want to combine a free chips game in "club" with a real money game.
Casinos are a business where you play for real money. If you want to play for free chips, you will surely find some demo games.
If you have any magical way to turn free chips into money, just describe it, because I don't think anyone here understands it.

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If you are looking for free spin in online casino the. You will found lots of casino in online if you do little search . But I think this is only waste of time . These casinos will make you the winner but at the last minute you will see that you have lost.  And in some cases, if there is a withdrawal option or a reward, then it is a negligible amount

[safari88]

There are already casinos that has that feature but aren't crypto platforms and just mostly supports their local fiat and payment methods. There is no blockchain casino as well that has the feature to create clubs (AFAIK) and is a customer-owned platform. As like the others say, that's a shady way to make a payment method. You cannot just send crypto on one person in his wallet then he just manually adds digits to your 'wallet'. Even that alone is a red flag. Payment methods and crypto games should be on blockchain and played within the blockchain as well to provide transparency and less scam.

I couldn’t agree more with you. While some are in sympathy with the sentiments of OP, as to why this concept was raised in the first place, I think that many would find this improbable due to security and credibility of transaction executions. On the other hand, maybe OP is speaking on behalf of his experiences in concerned with his homeland, just like what the others have mentioned. Perhaps, someone who has the same sentiments, or even experience with OP, could then try to put the concept in reality and see if this is really plausible to be successful.

[fiulpro]

Basically you want to create an online free gambling club which would be done by mainly a casino but for real it would be the people who would be playing on it without the intervention? I don't know really or you want to use someone as an escrow ?

This is not entirely possible some of the things :
1. The games are developed, they are paid for and these things are generally required to get tested and also checked for fairness, so all the developers might have to develope these games and give rights to them as well making it expensive to let people use it for free.
2. There are social networks where people can use and assemble their friends and teams to play other than that the casinos also have chat rooms as well where u can chat and play or even go on the live platform as well.

Maybe I don't understand your question that well.

[tabas]

I am confused but at the same, I can understand what you're trying to say. AFAIK, there are casinos that have those technicalities that you've mentioned.
And making one isn't as easy as you suggest but the main thing that I've understood from what you're saying is all about business and profit. There are things needed to be cleared, casinos don't operate for free, and if you think that the main source of income could be from the clubs. It's just going to be another source but not the main.

Yes,its not the main income, but if i have a online casino right now, i will provide the crypto games  to illegal areas players for free  ,if they want to win real money , could use vpn access main website.

You're the owner and you're going to provide illegal access? Like those countries that you should prohibit will be provided with VPN so that they can still access your casino.
Well, I get it now and that's what you're trying to say. If a gambler really wants to gamble to your casino whether you provide them or vpn for free, they'll come to you.

[Erdogan]

I am confused but at the same, I can understand what you're trying to say. AFAIK, there are casinos that have those technicalities that you've mentioned.
And making one isn't as easy as you suggest but the main thing that I've understood from what you're saying is all about business and profit. There are things needed to be cleared, casinos don't operate for free, and if you think that the main source of income could be from the clubs. It's just going to be another source but not the main.

Yes,its not the main income, but if i have a online casino right now, i will provide the crypto games  to illegal areas players for free  ,if they want to win real money , could use vpn access main website.

You're the owner and you're going to provide illegal access? Like those countries that you should prohibit will be provided with VPN so that they can still access your casino.
Well, I get it now and that's what you're trying to say. If a gambler really wants to gamble to your casino whether you provide them or vpn for free, they'll come to you.

I have doubts if there is anything illegal in what OP wants to do. I think he just wants to play in casino but for free chips, not for money. However, when it comes to this, there are many casinos that offer a demo option, where you can play for free chips. If in the country where OP lives, even access to the demo version is illegal, then he can use VPN and the case is solved.

[goldkingcoiner]

Hello,everyone !
This is my first time to post on bitcointalk。
I come from china ,my English is not good ，most time，i need Google translate，thanks this invention。
I have read a lot of artcles here，i visited some online gaming websites, and test bcgame,stakes,free bitcoin etc, crash and mines are perfect games , i really love them!
Cryptocurrency let me enjoyed the funny on these gaming website.

A few years ago, when i could play real money on Pokerstars in china , its so difficult  to withdraw,
I need to sell my usd to other players,  a smart guy invent an application named”poker master ”
People could creat free club and invite friends play poker(gamble) together

I’m a stupid kid , so i have a question want to get somes good answers from smart guys ,
Why nobody creat a free casino website and let us creat club on it ?
Its different meaning  with affiliate.
Website could charge some money from club admin even margin(limit bet figure)!
If this club admin is a scammer ,you could help their players recoup lost or not !
Club’s players deposit/withdraw  money(cryptocurrency)  to admin.
You can provide payment api to admins and make money.
Some big rewards games like lottery  you can control it by own website not clubs
People could buy lottery by your token or other coins.
I’m not sure,it’s worth to test or not . Or even have someone are doing it
Let me know the result please
In the end , thanks everyone’s answers if you would give me some good ideas

Hello chinese friend. Welcome to our forum! We hope you enjoy your time with us.

I have read your text and as far as I understand it, you could make a trustless version of what you describe. Or at least a community-vote based DAO (Decentralized Autonomous Organisation) with the use of smart contracts.

So the question of needing to trust the club admin with the money is unnecessary, I would think. Unfortunately I am no smart contract developer that understands what conditions would need to be met for such a DAO to even be possible.

I think you might find an answer to that if you ask in the project development subforum. Lots of experienced developers are in that subforum.

[tabas]

You're the owner and you're going to provide illegal access? Like those countries that you should prohibit will be provided with VPN so that they can still access your casino.
Well, I get it now and that's what you're trying to say. If a gambler really wants to gamble to your casino whether you provide them or vpn for free, they'll come to you.

I have doubts if there is anything illegal in what OP wants to do. I think he just wants to play in casino but for free chips, not for money. However, when it comes to this, there are many casinos that offer a demo option, where you can play for free chips. If in the country where OP lives, even access to the demo version is illegal, then he can use VPN and the case is solved.

Understanding what he said, that's what he wants. Like if he's a casino owner and registered locally, there are countries that are restricted in accessing on his casino.
But what he wants to do is allowing them to gain access and he's the one to provide them VPN. Well, businessmen like that way because it's more money coming in to them but there's a law that prohibits it.

[Oceat]

You're the owner and you're going to provide illegal access? Like those countries that you should prohibit will be provided with VPN so that they can still access your casino.
Well, I get it now and that's what you're trying to say. If a gambler really wants to gamble to your casino whether you provide them or vpn for free, they'll come to you.

I have doubts if there is anything illegal in what OP wants to do. I think he just wants to play in casino but for free chips, not for money. However, when it comes to this, there are many casinos that offer a demo option, where you can play for free chips. If in the country where OP lives, even access to the demo version is illegal, then he can use VPN and the case is solved.

Understanding what he said, that's what he wants. Like if he's a casino owner and registered locally, there are countries that are restricted in accessing on his casino.
But what he wants to do is allowing them to gain access and he's the one to provide them VPN. Well, businessmen like that way because it's more money coming in to them but there's a law that prohibits it.

I think a law prohibiting them to play in their casino is enough of a challenge and I won't like to exceed beyond that because I think providing free pass to other countries from accessing to your casino is hassle IMO. Not unless, of course, if their government allowed other countries but that's not going to happen in their current status.

This is the problem when you are living in China because almost everything their was controlled by the government so having to have a free pass inside on their territory is not gonna happen.

[seagullx]

Well the idea itself isn't really that bad if I were to give my own opinion about this. However, there will be trust issues with the admin that you have mentioned. But yes, this isn't a very heavy problem that cannot be solved. Just have to have a reputable enough existing gambling site to act as an admin so that trust issues can be minimized and gradually improve more in the positive side. This is something new and pretty interesting and may attract a lot of gamblers looking for new ways to have fun. I wonder if some gambling sites would really adopt such an idea.

its like ，we can't play real money online poker in china， but we can play free chips poker and gamble with friends in our club by 1 chip :1 real money 。 to platform，they only make money from expend players chips

I don't really understand how you want to combine a free chips game in "club" with a real money game.
Casinos are a business where you play for real money. If you want to play for free chips, you will surely find some demo games.
If you have any magical way to turn free chips into money, just describe it, because I don't think anyone here understands it.

Thanks for you answer ,
First,  I’m living in china , we can’t use crypto or play gambling games right? It’s illegal
But , as the crypto game ,like crash , its just a good game , fair and interesting .
How we can play it in illegal areas?  Just provider it for free coins. Right?
If you want use it gambling , how?
You could join a club on this website , and gamble with the admin of this club.
You could use the special club coins. 1:1 , before you want play , you have to deposit to the admin first
Nobody knows , its your personal action。
But to the platform ,looks like  just a free website provide free crypto games

[mdzahed134]

In my opinion, A poker site like that is risky. Indeed you can create free club but as you have said, the deposit and withdrawal must go through the admin. The chance of admin taking your funds is high especially those who gamble with lots of money or decent amount. If I were you, I wouldn't deposit there even if I did make a research about the admin and the site. It's better if you play poker on a casino that doesn't do these things which is very risky as I have said about it.

In my experience, we always as players to trust the casino
Why we trust a big casino website , because they have lots of players by a long time.
If everyone could to creat own casino club by free casino wabsite, i believe lots of them would rather to pay something to this website！

We shouldn’t Trust any random crypto casino sites because i see a lot of scam in the online gambling sector. I believed only some established casino sites those are running for the last few years. I think it's foolish for everyone to create individual platform, how do you believe a random people who will create own casino platform.

[seagullx]

In my opinion, A poker site like that is risky. Indeed you can create free club but as you have said, the deposit and withdrawal must go through the admin. The chance of admin taking your funds is high especially those who gamble with lots of money or decent amount. If I were you, I wouldn't deposit there even if I did make a research about the admin and the site. It's better if you play poker on a casino that doesn't do these things which is very risky as I have said about it.

In my experience, we always as players to trust the casino
Why we trust a big casino website , because they have lots of players by a long time.
If everyone could to creat own casino club by free casino wabsite, i believe lots of them would rather to pay something to this website！

We shouldn’t Trust any random crypto casino sites because i see a lot of scam in the online gambling sector. I believed only some established casino sites those are running for the last few years. I think it's foolish for everyone to create individual platform, how do you believe a random people who will create own casino platform.

Let agents players Gamble with themself
Platform just provide technology support

[nakamura12]

Let agents players Gamble with themself
Platform just provide technology support

No one said that a gambler or players will not gamble when they want to or not. You missed the point which is said that we can't just trust any casino that we see. Would you gamble if I give you a platform that only scam people of their money?. I'm sure there's only two possible answer which is you don't care either you get scammed or not as long as you will have fun or you don't want to gamble because you don't want to get scammed. Another possibility is you are one of the team of that platform to find people to scam their money.

[zidanw]

I went back here for progress check, I see that this has been a challenging case to unlock, and recommend to, based on what the forum users have replied in this thread. I think it would be best to talk and consult to experienced developers, if you really want pursue this, OP. We all understand where you are coming from, but you also have to weigh in the possibility of every spectrum of this concept. Otherwise, the usage of VPN in accessing different websites would be your best option here, so far.

[michellee]

Thanks for you answer ,
First,  I’m living in china , we can’t use crypto or play gambling games right? It’s illegal
But , as the crypto game ,like crash , its just a good game , fair and interesting .
How we can play it in illegal areas?  Just provider it for free coins. Right?
If you want use it gambling , how?
You could join a club on this website , and gamble with the admin of this club.
You could use the special club coins. 1:1 , before you want play , you have to deposit to the admin first
Nobody knows , its your personal action。
But to the platform ,looks like  just a free website provide free crypto games

You don't have to play gambling games because it's illegal. That's what needs to be understood because even if you use crypto to gamble, it's still illegal, right?

But you can use a VPN to visit gambling sites. Gambling sites may provide free coins to their members, especially if they are new gambling sites. But gambling sites can provide free coins to their members because they want to earn from their business.

But I think there is one gambling site that I know has a special coin and that site is betfury.io. On that site, you have the opportunity to get free coins, namely BFG tokens which you can use to gamble.

[VanityWallets2015]

I am not sure what do you mean by club, I know that you are just using a translation tool but I think what you are trying to say is that there should be an admin where he handles the poker group or something like that and if the admin is scammer then the gambling site would pay it? wouldn't it much better if the trusted gambling site would hold the funds for the security of their players?

[Similificator]

its like ，we can't play real money online poker in china， but we can play free chips poker and gamble with friends in our club by 1 chip :1 real money 。 to platform，they only make money from expend players chips

Yes, it seems clearer for me now. so you are saying you want someone to facilitate as an admin for a club that has real human members or friends where you can bet with using the chips which the admin is providing in a 1 is to 1 ratio like 1 chip is = to $1 right? And then the admin which provides these chips and the platform in which your club is in will make money by imposing tax of some sort for the services the admin and his platform provides? Is this what you mean?

If so, I think that this would be great as a new project. Like creating a platform that offers services like what you have mentioned and has options in being anonymous or creating a room that is private and only accessible for you and for the people you give invites to. While also utilizing a stable coin to use as chips or something like that. It can be a trustless system that wouldn't require an admin anymore and just the platform itself.

It would be pretty nice to see some developer insight about this.

[seagullx]

its like ，we can't play real money online poker in china， but we can play free chips poker and gamble with friends in our club by 1 chip :1 real money 。 to platform，they only make money from expend players chips

Yes, it seems clearer for me now. so you are saying you want someone to facilitate as an admin for a club that has real human members or friends where you can bet with using the chips which the admin is providing in a 1 is to 1 ratio like 1 chip is = to $1 right? And then the admin which provides these chips and the platform in which your club is in will make money by imposing tax of some sort for the services the admin and his platform provides? Is this what you mean?

If so, I think that this would be great as a new project. Like creating a platform that offers services like what you have mentioned and has options in being anonymous or creating a room that is private and only accessible for you and for the people you give invites to. While also utilizing a stable coin to use as chips or something like that. It can be a trustless system that wouldn't require an admin anymore and just the platform itself.

It would be pretty nice to see some developer insight about this.

finally，you understand what i really want to say!
It’s like we don’t gamble with casino , so they don’t need to cheat their users.instead of that
They would rather to provide more fair games to their agents (club admins)

[safari88]

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Thank you to @Similificator for making this clearer. I guess you just have to connect with interested developers, OP, so that you could know how to pursue this idea. If this will be possible, and successfully executed, then this would be a big thing that would be loved by many gamblers who wants to a have a private game and those from countries that are prohibiting gambling activities.

[seagullx]

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Thank you to @Similificator for making this clearer. I guess you just have to connect with interested developers, OP, so that you could know how to pursue this idea. If this will be possible, and successfully executed, then this would be a big thing that would be loved by many gamblers who wants to a have a private game and those from countries that are prohibiting gambling activities.

all of these. Just a little idea, i know talk is cheap ,show me the code,but I’m not software engineer
will somebody knows how to get it success，or interest of these，maybe we could to join a telegram group to talk this!
Btw: I’m learning English hard everyday , if you can’t understand me, just point my fault , that will be very helpful to me ! Thank u everybody!