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May 07, 2022, 10:46:16 PM
Last edit: May 07, 2022, 11:08:35 PM by 1miau
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In the forum we can see several cases of neutral tag in terms of color, but that are negative in terms of written feeback.
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What do you think about this?
Well, I think:
The account receiving the neutral Trust should be lucky, that it's not a negative Trust.  Cheesy Cheesy

Why?

At first we should get an understanding about Trust:

A positive (green) Trust is adding a +1 to your trust score.
A neutral (black) Trust is adding a =1 to your trust score.
A negative (red) Trust is adding a -1 to your trust score.

It's mostly about the score to be considered a Trust abuse but neutral Trust is = (no change).

If someone adds a positive feedback, which is not enough to be a positive feedback, it might be considered Trust abuse.
If someone adds a negative feedback, which is not enough to be a negative feedback, it might be considered Trust abuse.
A neutral feedback can hardly be a Trust abuse, because neutral Trust is mainly considered as other people's opinions about the account in question.
The only possibility, where a neutral Trust is a Trust abuse is if the provided comment is an outright lie and the accused account can prove that it's an outright lie.
=> you can write everything as a neutral feedback as long as it's not an outright lie (reference link could be useful).

Neutral Trust was also described as a very undervalued tool for de-escalation:

Neutral (shown as =1)
  • I think Neutral Feedback is currently undervalued on Bitcointalk. It's a great tool to de-escalate without drastic consequences. Please use it when appropriate.


So, if your feedback might be not enough to be negative, maybe a neutral trust is better. You should consider it.
Neutral trust should cover a very wide range from "very nice guy" feedbacks to "extremely disgusting troll". At least most cases, where no real money is involved.
Yes, in some cases, trolls can also receive a negative Trust and nice guys can also receive a postitve Trust but you need a very good reason for it. Trust is mainly about being trustworthy proven by risked amount of money.
Once, there has been a separate entry of how much BTC was at risk. It got removed and that's a little bit sad.
Especially, I've seen way too many "nice guy" feedbacks recently. Being a nice guy is clearly a neutral trust because no money is involved and "nice guy" feedbacks are inflating Trust scores and if everyone starts giving out "nice guy" feedbacks, we are at a high risk, that at least some of these "nice guys" turn out to be scammers.


tl;dr
The comment of the neutral Trust doesn't make it a negative Trust, it's still a neutral Trust, no mater what's written in the comment.
You can call someone a disgusting liar, a troll or whatever, it's still a neutral Trust.
A neutral Trust, no matter what's written in it, is much, much less offensive than a negative Trust. Neutral Trust is a very good approach of de-escalation.

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May 08, 2022, 02:48:26 AM
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Let's examine your own

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Timelord2067    2021-12-29    Reference    He insists on launching false accusations without evidence or with supposed evidence that is not such. See also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5373948.msg58576274#msg58576274

crwth    2021-12-25    Reference    User claims he was sick and seems to collaborate. Please analyze before posting more negative feedback or supporting the flag.

Miguel 11th    2021-12-02    Reference    Although at first sight he seems a nice naive person, he has a tendency to beg. Apart from the referenced link see also: https://loyce.club/archive/topics/537/5372735.html

AskyaMaddar    2022-04-01    Reference    Advertising a too good to be true system to make money. I leave the tag as neutral because I'm not sure if he is intentionally trying to scam people or he is so naive to believe his system is going to work.

pastet89    2022-01-21    Reference    If in doubt about my previous negative feedback, have a look at the reference thread.

pastet89    2021-03-30    Reference    Scammer


Definitely passive aggression in your *neutral* posts...




People in glass houses and all that...

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May 08, 2022, 03:11:45 AM
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Definitely passive aggression in your *neutral* posts...

People in glass houses and all that...

Abject nonsense. There is nothing wrong with those ratings, good use of the trust system and good choice to make them neutral.
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May 08, 2022, 06:09:43 AM
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The only possibility, where a neutral Trust is a Trust abuse is if the provided comment is an outright lie and the accused account can prove that it's an outright lie.

Basically I think the same as you expressed in the first part of your post, you have detailed it quite well.

Especially, I've seen way too many "nice guy" feedbacks recently. Being a nice guy is clearly a neutral trust because no money is involved and "nice guy" feedbacks are inflating Trust scores and if everyone starts giving out "nice guy" feedbacks, we are at a high risk, that at least some of these "nice guys" turn out to be scammers.

Regarding this, if we simply talk about being a nice guy I agree, but I think there are cases where you can trust a person for his performance in the forum without having traded with him for the moment, but you would trust him to do it.

For example, someone who consistently exposes scammers and cheaters, who constantly works to keep the forum clean. Even if you have not traded with him, his performance suggests that he is an honest person with whom you could make trades, at least of low amount. This is reflected in LoyceV's guide on the trust system:

  • If you believe someone can be trusted, even when you didn't trade with him, that too deserves positive feedback.

Definitely passive aggression in your *neutral* posts...

People in glass houses and all that...

Abject nonsense. There is nothing wrong with those ratings, good use of the trust system and good choice to make them neutral.

I have nothing personal against Timelord2067 but I put him on ignore some time ago and with time I see that it was a good decision, just like with franky1. I don't want to waste time dismantling obvious conspiracies about alts or obviously erroneous posts although argued with walls of text.

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May 09, 2022, 12:56:17 PM
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Echo chamber...

Thank you for proving you are without substance by offering no proof to back up your empty claims.

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