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[Mpamaegbu]

Many people see anything trading as analogous to gambling and I believe that's what informs the high rate of advertisement of casinos and other gambling related stuff on this forum. It cuts across trading sites, forex trading sites too. I'm sure that's the mindset.

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You think because gambling has been licenced it's not a vice anymore? Don't judge it that way. You can say it's no longer a crime as government has come into it to regulate and licence it. Vice and crime are two different things, though a thin line separates them.

[hilariousetc]

The house always wins because the odds are stacked against you so it's a very, very profitable business. Casinos are essentially just a licence to print money as most people will lose money over the long-run. Even if someone wins big they're still probably technically down overall and even if they're not the 90% of other people who lost that day will more than make up for the house loss. Some of these bitcoin casinos are paying streamers literally a million dollars a month just to play on their sites so that shows you how much money there is to be made for these sties if they can afford to pay that to just a streamer. A lot of them now are throwing big money at football clubs and other sporting events like the UFC and other such sports as well. I've even seen Drake is now promoting Stake on his instagram amongst other places and I can tell you they'll be paying him a lot more than 1 million a month. I'm guessing that most bitcoin casinos are also registered in tax havens so are also probably paying very little to no taxes so their mark-up is probably even bigger than domestic casinos.

[Igebotz]

The only exceptions would be those that have added them to an ad block filter or disabled signatures, which I can't imagine many users do.

And since some of these users have a signature on their profile, why would you block yourself from seeing other companies while promoting your own? It's difficult to tell who disables signatures, but it appears to be cheating except for those who don't have any company signatures.

I don't believe it's about getting a good advertisement or anything; I believe it's about the user's area of interest, and to be honest, the majority of the users here are gamblers, with only a few exceptions. This is why gambling signatures last longer than any other campaign because they produce results and generate a lot of money.

One could argue that merely being invested in Bitcoin, regardless of your outlook or reason for being involved, is in fact gambling. Since, I assume most of us are counting on it going up in the long term at the very least.

Anything with an input and an uncertain outcome is gambling, so investing in Bitcoin is also like gambling because we hope for a better outcome and sometimes sell at a loss. You are not wrong if you call it a gamble.

I've even seen Drake is now promoting Stake on his instagram amongst other places and I can tell you they'll be paying him a lot more than 1 million a month. I'm guessing that most bitcoin casinos are also registered in tax havens so are also probably paying very little to no taxes so their mark-up is probably even bigger than domestic casinos.

Stake.com and Sportsbet.io have been making inroads into the football and entertainment industries since last year, and the local fiat is becoming a thing of the past. Stake.com ambassador lists also include KunAguero, Israel Adesanya, Francis Nagannou, Jose Aldo, and Alexa Grasso, with all these huge promotions one could argue that the site has at least a million active users.

[KingsDen]

Look at it in this way:
You need money to finance a signature campaigns. Who is more likely to be willing to pay hundreds and thousands of dollars weekly? A business like a casino that generates a lot of profit every hour of the day, or a developer who has just created a new free service that doesn't earn him any income and he has to spend his own money to pay promoters? We all know the answer.

Even ChipMixer and BestChange earn money. CM through donations and the users who use their services and BestChange through fees.  

This is great.
Gambling companies generates alot of money from her clients. Money flows daily and weekly bases in casino and it won't be difficult to pay signature promoters.
Again, online casino has no boundaries and limitations, it is q trend that is seriously trying to send the traditional gambling to extinction. So, the inflow of customers isn't surprising.
Also, gambling is a business full of addiction, an addicted gambler will keep throwing in money even if he is loosing, so money making is not even their problem. Unlike non gambling campaigns who generate money from only the services they offer.
Finally, the campaign promoters are also gamblers, which makes the game sweeter. Get paid by the company, use the payment made by the company to bet in the company and it will look as if you have nothing to lose.

[Welsh]

Finally, the campaign promoters are also gamblers, which makes the game sweeter. Get paid by the company, use the payment made by the company to bet in the company and it will look as if you have nothing to lose.

Yeah, this is something that isn't often talked about. The thing is, the signature campaigns usually are looking for those that post in the gambling sections, and therefore they already know they're gamblers, and most likely gamble with their Bitcoin. So, there's such a thing as brand loyalty, and if you're getting paid a decent amount by a signature campaign, they're likely going to have some sort of brand loyalty, and end up using them. What's the best way to avoid fees of exchanging Bitcoin, and then gambling it? Using the income you directly receive in Bitcoin.

I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of those advertising gambling websites, gamble a lot of their signature income on that exact website they're advertising for. Not like that's a bad thing if they can afford to lose it. Although, it's definitely one of the reasons you see gambling signature campaigns going on for longer than others.

[Poker Player]

I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of those advertising gambling websites, gamble a lot of their signature income on that exact website they're advertising for. Not like that's a bad thing if they can afford to lose it. Although, it's definitely one of the reasons you see gambling signature campaigns going on for longer than others.

We discussed something similar in a thread I opened in the Service Discussion section:

Do you think that some signature campaigns prioritize clients in some cases?

It is not that some end up betting, and losing, what they earn in the signature campaign in the casino they advertise, it is that some bet and lose much more. Someone used the term degenerate gambler to refer to them and we had a consensus that it would be quite profitable for campaigns to choose one over a quality poster who is not a casino customer.

I don't think that's the key to the success of gambling signature campaigns, though, that only accounts for a small part of the profitability. I think that in general there are a lot of gamblers on the forum and a lot of gambling is done in Bitcoin, that's why advertising on the forum works for the casinos.

[onecall123]

In today's affiliate marketing landscape, gambling is among the most popular industries. This industry is constantly expanding. There are a number of advantages to gambling online. Obviously, achieving this kind of high ROI has always been easier, the attraction is still not the same, but honestly, popularity has increased much more since then. It is more of a long-term strategy, so the results will last longer. Everything is going well and both parties are satisfied. Despite earning huge amounts, the gambling site only remitted a few sums to us for marketing purposes. Nevertheless, we're happy!

[Pmalek]

And since some of these users have a signature on their profile, why would you block yourself from seeing other companies while promoting your own? It's difficult to tell who disables signatures, but it appears to be cheating except for those who don't have any company signatures.

I share your opinion when it comes to signatures. I don't have them disabled and I don't mind seeing them. I participate in a signature campaign and feel it would be insincere or hypocritical of me to disable forum signatures. I know at least one forum member from the ChipMixer campaign who stated a few years ago that he/she has signatures disabled. The name isn't important and everyone has the freedom to do what they want on Bitcointalk. I personally don't agree with it though.

[Igebotz]

Finally, the campaign promoters are also gamblers, which makes the game sweeter. Get paid by the company, use the payment made by the company to bet in the company and it will look as if you have nothing to lose.

Yeah, this is something that isn't often talked about. The thing is, the signature campaigns usually are looking for those that post in the gambling sections, and therefore they already know they're gamblers, and most likely gamble with their Bitcoin.

You wouldn't expect them to target users on P&S or B&H because it has nothing to do with what they offer. When you put up an ad, you target users who are likely to use your service, which is why Chipmixers and Bestchange don't accept users who mostly post in gambling boards. These campaigns mostly target users who post in Bitcoin discussion boards who are likely to use their services. Users who post about gambling are only of interest to casino companies because they are likely to use their services. I don't think there's much to discuss; it's just a standard way of running an ad to get the best results.

I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of those advertising gambling websites, gamble a lot of their signature income on that exact website they're advertising for. Not like that's a bad thing if they can afford to lose it. Although, it's definitely one of the reasons you see gambling signature campaigns going on for longer than others.

You are not wrong either, which is why most casino companies prefer to pay participants with usernames rather than BTC addresses, as it is easier to entice someone into playing and sometimes you end up giving them back what they paid you, most people work for free because they keep playing with their signature payment and never win, so basically, the majority promote for free.

signatures. I know at least one forum member from the ChipMixer campaign who stated a few years ago that he/she has signatures disabled. The name isn't important and everyone has the freedom to do what they want on Bitcointalk. I personally don't agree with it though.

Yes, we know who they are, but one thing is certain: if everyone acts like them, there will be no signature campaign; you can't make money from something you despise; it demonstrates dishonesty, disloyalty, greed, selfishness, and unwanted behavior, and such people should not be allowed to participate.

[Pmalek]

When you put up an ad, you target users who are likely to use your service, which is why Chipmixers and Bestchange don't accept users who mostly post in gambling boards. These campaigns mostly target users who post in Bitcoin discussion boards who are likely to use their services. Users who post about gambling are only of interest to casino companies because they are likely to use their services. I don't think there's much to discuss; it's just a standard way of running an ad to get the best results.

ChipMixer wants a presence on all sub boards as long as they can find suitable users to advertise them properly. Take a look at Trofo, for example. He is part of the ChipMixer campaign.

Trofo has written around 9000 posts on Bitcointalk. Almost 4000 of those are in the Gambling discussion sub.
The other forum subs he likes writing in include Altcoins (Hrvatski), Hrvatski (Croatian), Gambling, and Games and rounds. Actually, if you look at his all-time stats as shown on Ninjastic.space, his TOP 10 sub-forums are not Bitcoin-related. The Services section is in some way. Everything else is gambling, Croatian local, and altcoin boards.     

[UmerIdrees]

And since some of these users have a signature on their profile, why would you block yourself from seeing other companies while promoting your own? It's difficult to tell who disables signatures, but it appears to be cheating except for those who don't have any company signatures.

I share your opinion when it comes to signatures. I don't have them disabled and I don't mind seeing them. I participate in a signature campaign and feel it would be insincere or hypocritical of me to disable forum signatures. I know at least one forum member from the ChipMixer campaign who stated a few years ago that he/she has signatures disabled. The name isn't important and everyone has the freedom to do what they want on Bitcointalk. I personally don't agree with it though.

Some people may like to read the text without any distraction of ads and they can disable the signatures if they want but as said by you, it's our personal preference to see the signatures or not but from my perspective, the bitcointalk pages seem dull without the signatures. Also by seeing the signatures, you might find some project, company, or offer that you might be interested in joining.

[Igebotz]

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I share your opinion when it comes to signatures. I don't have them disabled and I don't mind seeing them. I participate in a signature campaign and feel it would be insincere or hypocritical of me to disable forum signatures. I know at least one forum member from the ChipMixer campaign who stated a few years ago that he/she has signatures disabled. The name isn't important and everyone has the freedom to do what they want on Bitcointalk. I personally don't agree with it though.

Some people may like to read the text without any distraction of ads and they can disable the signatures if they want but as said by you, it's our personal preference to see the signatures or not but from my perspective, the bitcointalk pages seem dull without the signatures. Also by seeing the signatures, you might find some project,
company, or offer that you might be interested in joining.

Those who find the signature ad distracting should avoid wearing them on their profile as well, so they don't distract the next person. That is only one paragraph point.

[Uang_kartal]

That's right, we appreciate the Bm. His hard work and dedication (campaign preparation)
I know it takes extra time and energy to prepare (both designs, treads or bB code for signatures).
Gambling wants, whether it's relaxing (preparing it later at some time later / it continues as usual.
For the 2 companies that op mentioned I think it's been around for a long time and is paying well. I hope any campaign continues well.

When paired with a bounty. on the board various payments one of which does not use bitcoin.
This means that everyone can participate and developers also have space to promote without having a lot of capital in the sense that they can produce tokens belonging to their new company. And the tokens distributed sometimes take longer or even months depending on the developer.
In contrast to bitcoin payments which are usually paid weekly, this is always on time and has clear value.
Yes, that's what I think is a slight difference between the altcoin paid bounty and the btc (gambling company) paid signature service.

between token sales (new altcoins) it's not as dense as some users' interest to play and have fun in gambling(maybe more and faster)

I think gambling companies provide good payments (bitcoin) also in terms of the form of providing promotions and introducing their company.
to be known by many people and easy to remember.

[Apocollapse]

That's right, we appreciate the Bm. His hard work and dedication (campaign preparation)
I know it takes extra time and energy to prepare (both designs, treads or bB code for signatures).

I think only few managers who manage the campaign and design the signature for the participants, so they're mostly only need good persuading and communicating skills with the team. Some managers even risking himself to pay with their own pocket money because the team didn't send the money yet to the managers, such managers have my respect since not all want to do this.

Yes, that's what I think is a slight difference between the altcoin paid bounty and the btc (gambling company) paid signature service.

It's not slight difference, but "Soooo far" difference since bounty paid with worthless coins and a lot of spammers.

I think gambling companies provide good payments (bitcoin) also in terms of the form of providing promotions and introducing their company.
to be known by many people and easy to remember.

You're correct, 1xbit conduct few campaigns for a year and now I easy to remember if they're scam casino.