37yr old woman has 15 kids and is angry the government isn't paying for them all

[Minsc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E

[steelhouse]

There is so much fraud in welfare.  Families have kids and then they get divorced and decide to live together to get the welfare benefits, especially recent immigrants.

[JonHind]

Yeah, fuck the kids. It's their fault they were born to such greedy and selfish parents. They should be denied benefits, and the kids should be left to starve. It is the Libertarian way.

[steelhouse]

No the kids won't starve, the family will have to work.  Everyone is entitled to food stamps, that is about it.  Land is free, so no one should be homeless.

[JonHind]

No the kids won't starve, the family will have to work.  Everyone is entitled to food stamps, that is about it.  Land is free, so no one should be homeless.

Yeah, there are lots of pavements. Fuck the kids. They should have been born to a better mother.

[bb113]

It seems unfair to help the starving kids in our own country when there are so many more in third world countries.

[TheHeroMember]

If there's something wrong to the people in the government, the government should be to blame. It's the governments role.

[bithobo]

Land is free

Where is this "free land" you speak of? I might know some potential buyers after I claim it

[NghtRppr]

Yeah, there are lots of pavements. Fuck the kids. They should have been born to a better mother.

So, instead of doing something yourself, you want to force other people to help using the threat of violence (government)?

[dancupid]

Excluding extremes like this, if we live in a society that generates unemployment due to the way work is distributed then unemployment will exist. If we want zero unemployment then all we need to do is redistribute the work - work 35 hours instead of 40 and there would be no unemployment - or we can make the decision that it's better for us to work longer hours and earn more and then pay off the people we deny work to.
Personally I think 'work is a four letter word' anyway - I've better things to do with my life than processing bureaucracy and selling crap.

[bithobo]

work 35 hours instead of 40 and there would be no unemploymentt - or we can make the decision that it's better for us to work longer hours and earn more and then pay off the people we deny work to.

The biggest problem with such government-forced distribution is that sooner or later it starts sinking into communism. The biggest problem with communism is that "spreading the wealth equally" kills the will for competition which then kills the will to work. Consequentially, everything slows down and you have less of everything to spread equally. In the end, "equality" starts being "nobody has anything".

I support the existence of welfare better then the "no questions asked" market where a select few criminals become richer then the rest of the world. But I've seen communism and it ain't pretty to look at... Actually, you can't see it very well with all the electricity reductions every day or two

[JonHind]

Yeah, there are lots of pavements. Fuck the kids. They should have been born to a better mother.

So, instead of doing something yourself, you want to force other people to help using the threat of violence (government)?

No, I want them to rot on the streets like they deserve.

[bb113]

I think the first step here needs to be more community involvement and responsibility. This is likely very difficult in large cities.

[NghtRppr]

Yeah, there are lots of pavements. Fuck the kids. They should have been born to a better mother.

So, instead of doing something yourself, you want to force other people to help using the threat of violence (government)?

No, I want them to rot on the streets like they deserve.

Are those the only two options you see? There's no such thing as voluntary charity?

[bb113]

People like JonHind will only accept that people can help each other without the government if they see concrete examples of it happening. So, if libertarians wish to convert them, they should work on creating private charitable systems that replace the need for government assistance. Hopefully, these systems will be less corruptible and more efficient than the government run ones.

[NghtRppr]

People like JonHind will only accept that people can help each other without the government if they see concrete examples of it happening. So, if libertarians wish to convert them, they should work on creating private charitable systems that replace the need for government assistance. Hopefully, these systems will be less corruptible and more efficient than the government run ones.

You mean like the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and the hundreds of other private charities? As far as "replace the need for government assistance" that makes it sound like everyone will be in Utopia and have everything they want. The current system doesn't do that either.

[bb113]

Nope. Not large scale.

[Vitalik Buterin]

Nope. Not large scale.

Of course not, there's no reason for them to exist in the present world when the expectation is to rely on the government for everything. Things like private charities and mutual aid societies were far more powerful in the earlier half of this century before they got centralized into the government.

[NghtRppr]

Nope. Not large scale.

There are thousands of small missions rather than one large mission. I fail to see the why that difference matters.

[bb113]

I see similarities between large private organizations and governments. The most obvious is the amount of bureaucracy.