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June 02, 2022, 05:35:57 PM
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I agree that now it will be difficult to establish a stable and full-scale supply of grain by land (railway) transport. Yes, the largest importers of Ukrainian grain are the countries of Asia, Africa and partly the countries of Europe. That is why Russia, as a typical terrorist, introduced from the first days of a new wave of aggression against Ukraine, a total blockage of shipping. Therefore, all the countries affected by the shortage of grain can "thank" the international terrorist represented by Russia. But Ukraine still, even in such a difficult situation, will try to fulfill its obligations. Now everyone is starting to "pay" for the fact that they did not stop the terrorists and new fascists in a timely manner. The world repeated the mistakes of the last century, trying to appease the evil, and allowing him "little pranks". The world has learned nothing, and now it pays for mistakes again

Its Ukraine that blocked their Oddesa ports, its a self inflicted sanction actually as they tried to drop their sea mines and it all scattered on their ports so everyone are now afraid to sail there. Mind you that Russia didn't got their Oddesa ports yet and its where they ship their grains too.
There's still two months for all of us to prepare. I guess the hunger will make decisions cloudier. But there's also Asia that has more rice which I think will be the best option, we can all be adventurous with out meals.

Yeah... Wow!? Ukraine... blocked in the Ukrainian city... Ukrainian ports with RUSSIAN mines, so that Ukraine could not sell grain... and get the much needed funds?
No offense - are you feeling well now? Am I kidding? Maybe you have an intoxication of mentality by the Russian media? It happens ! Smiley

Speaking of mines - if you read the reports, several mines made it to the Bosphorus, where they were discovered and identified. I'll tell you a secret - there are a lot of weapons in Russia, which only they have. These weapons also include these "wandering mines", which Russia, at the beginning of its terrorist aggression against Ukraine, threw into the Black Sea in Ukrainian waters, about 450 pieces. They have already been discovered off the coast of Turkey, Romania, and, logically, on the coast of Ukraine.

Moreover, the navy of Russian terrorists has closed the passage of civilian and any other ships in the Black Sea, including the waters of Ukraine. This is called economic terrorism.

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I agree that now it will be difficult to establish a stable and full-scale supply of grain by land (railway) transport. Yes, the largest importers of Ukrainian grain are the countries of Asia, Africa and partly the countries of Europe. That is why Russia, as a typical terrorist, introduced from the first days of a new wave of aggression against Ukraine, a total blockage of shipping. Therefore, all the countries affected by the shortage of grain can "thank" the international terrorist represented by Russia. But Ukraine still, even in such a difficult situation, will try to fulfill its obligations. Now everyone is starting to "pay" for the fact that they did not stop the terrorists and new fascists in a timely manner. The world repeated the mistakes of the last century, trying to appease the evil, and allowing him "little pranks". The world has learned nothing, and now it pays for mistakes again

Its Ukraine that blocked their Oddesa ports, its a self inflicted sanction actually as they tried to drop their sea mines and it all scattered on their ports so everyone are now afraid to sail there. Mind you that Russia didn't got their Oddesa ports yet and its where they ship their grains too.
There's still two months for all of us to prepare. I guess the hunger will make decisions cloudier. But there's also Asia that has more rice which I think will be the best option, we can all be adventurous with out meals.

Yeah... Wow!? Ukraine... blocked in the Ukrainian city... Ukrainian ports with RUSSIAN mines, so that Ukraine could not sell grain... and get the much needed funds?
No offense - are you feeling well now? Am I kidding? Maybe you have an intoxication of mentality by the Russian media? It happens ! Smiley

Speaking of mines - if you read the reports, several mines made it to the Bosphorus, where they were discovered and identified. I'll tell you a secret - there are a lot of weapons in Russia, which only they have. These weapons also include these "wandering mines", which Russia, at the beginning of its terrorist aggression against Ukraine, threw into the Black Sea in Ukrainian waters, about 450 pieces. They have already been discovered off the coast of Turkey, Romania, and, logically, on the coast of Ukraine.

Moreover, the navy of Russian terrorists has closed the passage of civilian and any other ships in the Black Sea, including the waters of Ukraine. This is called economic terrorism.

Yep, Ukraine mined the way out of Odessa, fearing a Russian landing. This was announced in early March by the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on his Facebook page. Later, of course, Ukraine tried to blame everything on Russia, but it didn’t work out.

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Yep, Ukraine mined the way out of Odessa, fearing a Russian landing. This was announced in early March by the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on his Facebook page. Later, of course, Ukraine tried to blame everything on Russia, but it didn’t work out.

I beg your pardon - as always, you pulled out a piece of text, and now you also lied, saying that you had mined the Black Sea area! And all in order to try once again to justify the world terrorist - Russia! And it's easy to prove, very simple!
1. Ukraine mined by setting "minefields", but ... COAST and COASTAL zone (up to 1 km, from the coastline), so that the landing force could not set foot on the ground, and not disrupt maritime traffic throughout the region.
2. Ukraine did not mine the coastal zone with free-floating mines.

Items 1 and 2 are verbatim in the FB post you linked to. I quote verbatim the entire description of the warning so that everyone can see your next "cute", but primitive lie Smiley

So, the original phrases sound like this:
The coastal defense system includes the mining of certain territories (not the water area), where the enemy can make an amphibious landing.
Therefore, we ask you NOT to MOVE along the territory of the COAST (this is the land part) of the Odessa region. It's not safe for your life.
We urge fishermen and boats not to move NEAR the SHORE of the Odessa region, so as not to put themselves at risk, and not to fall under possible fire and minefields.

And most importantly, Ukraine used anchor mines to mine the COAST, because. near the coast, there is often noticeable excitement and currents, and free-floating mines will leave the mining zone in a few days and will not fulfill their main goal - protecting a given territory.

Yes, well, and the best proof is that by marking the mines that were found off the coast of Turkey and Romania, it easily became clear that these were mines that were located in the warehouses of the Ukrainian Navy in Crimea, and were captured by Russian terrorists back in 2014, during the occupation of Crimea .

I told you - do not try to lie primitively, and even referring to the source that you misrepresented, having previously pulled out a small part of the information. Not a very nice act for an adult!


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June 03, 2022, 02:00:03 AM
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Dude, Ukraine is losing. There were videos of their armies surrendering, this is desparate times and anything that will hurt Russia they will do it particularly their media.

The Russian said they have their  grains, they are willing to distribute them but Ukrainjan ships are sanctioned themselves. I'm not gonna be surprise if Russians will distribute grains house to house in the cities.

Believe it or not. The Russians are not the bad guys in this war. Stop watching Hollywood and spread love. xhugsx 😁

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Luckily for us.... The United States   exports 26,131,626 tonnes of wheat a year and Canada does 26,110,509 tones, with France doing about 19,792,597 tonnes..... should I continue with all the other countries that export Wheat?

This is a "Storm in a Cup" that are being fabricated to inflate the price of "Wheat" ....so that prices can go up. Like they are doing with the price of Fuel.  Roll Eyes

The problem is that the production in US/Canada/France hasn't increased in 2022 when compared to 2021. And the exports from these countries are regularly sent to certain destinations. For example, the largest consumers of US wheat are Japan, South Korea, Mexico and the Philippines. Similarly, French grain was mostly exported to other EU nations such as the Netherlands. On the other hand, Ukrainian wheat was mostly sent to the middle east. US and Canada doesn't have spare capacity to export grain to the middle east, while keeping the supplies to East and South-east Asia at the same level.

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June 03, 2022, 04:34:42 AM
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Luckily for us.... The United States   exports 26,131,626 tonnes of wheat a year and Canada does 26,110,509 tones, with France doing about 19,792,597 tonnes..... should I continue with all the other countries that export Wheat?

This is a "Storm in a Cup" that are being fabricated to inflate the price of "Wheat" ....so that prices can go up. Like they are doing with the price of Fuel.  Roll Eyes

The problem is that the production in US/Canada/France hasn't increased in 2022 when compared to 2021. And the exports from these countries are regularly sent to certain destinations. For example, the largest consumers of US wheat are Japan, South Korea, Mexico and the Philippines. Similarly, French grain was mostly exported to other EU nations such as the Netherlands. On the other hand, Ukrainian wheat was mostly sent to the middle east. US and Canada doesn't have spare capacity to export grain to the middle east, while keeping the supplies to East and South-east Asia at the same level.
Without a doubt this is a problem, if the supply goes down and the demand for wheat is still the same then the price has to go up, however while this is acceptable in most fields when it comes to food this creates a huge problem as we cannot live without food, this means that while there are many people that will afford the more expensive price, the poorest will not be able to do it, so I would not be surprised if we saw political instability during the next months and it is even possible some regimes could fall because of this.

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Yep, Ukraine mined the way out of Odessa, fearing a Russian landing. This was announced in early March by the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on his Facebook page. Later, of course, Ukraine tried to blame everything on Russia, but it didn’t work out.

I beg your pardon - as always, you pulled out a piece of text, and now you also lied, saying that you had mined the Black Sea area! And all in order to try once again to justify the world terrorist - Russia! And it's easy to prove, very simple!
1. Ukraine mined by setting "minefields", but ... COAST and COASTAL zone (up to 1 km, from the coastline), so that the landing force could not set foot on the ground, and not disrupt maritime traffic throughout the region.
2. Ukraine did not mine the coastal zone with free-floating mines.

Items 1 and 2 are verbatim in the FB post you linked to. I quote verbatim the entire description of the warning so that everyone can see your next "cute", but primitive lie Smiley

So, the original phrases sound like this:
The coastal defense system includes the mining of certain territories (not the water area), where the enemy can make an amphibious landing.
Therefore, we ask you NOT to MOVE along the territory of the COAST (this is the land part) of the Odessa region. It's not safe for your life.
We urge fishermen and boats not to move NEAR the SHORE of the Odessa region, so as not to put themselves at risk, and not to fall under possible fire and minefields.

And most importantly, Ukraine used anchor mines to mine the COAST, because. near the coast, there is often noticeable excitement and currents, and free-floating mines will leave the mining zone in a few days and will not fulfill their main goal - protecting a given territory.

Yes, well, and the best proof is that by marking the mines that were found off the coast of Turkey and Romania, it easily became clear that these were mines that were located in the warehouses of the Ukrainian Navy in Crimea, and were captured by Russian terrorists back in 2014, during the occupation of Crimea .

I told you - do not try to lie primitively, and even referring to the source that you misrepresented, having previously pulled out a small part of the information. Not a very nice act for an adult!


In the dialogue of adults, it is customary not to count the arguments, but to weigh them. I provided a prooflink, and you issued a long-winded and unfounded tirade in response, falsely accusing me of distorting the facts. Do not do it this way. Ukraine mined the entrance to Odessa with old mines, which were torn from anchors during a storm and scattered across the Black Sea. Your accusations of Russia in this are groundless.

ps By the way, according to one of the versions, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the missile cruiser Moscow, was blown up on such a mine torn from the anchor.

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Without a doubt this is a problem, if the supply goes down and the demand for wheat is still the same then the price has to go up, however while this is acceptable in most fields when it comes to food this creates a huge problem as we cannot live without food, this means that while there are many people that will afford the more expensive price, the poorest will not be able to do it, so I would not be surprised if we saw political instability during the next months and it is even possible some regimes could fall because of this.

Some of the regimes have already fallen as a result of rising crude and wheat prices. I can give examples of Pakistan and Sri Lanka. And even strong countries such as Turkey are under strain due to rising trade deficit. My own country (India) have somehow survived this crisis, but there is no guarantee that the situation will continue in case the prices remain at elevated levels for a long time. Government has reduced taxes on petrol and diesel to make them more affordable, and the oil PSUs are incurring a loss of around Rs.20 per liter.

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Some of the regimes have already fallen as a result of rising crude and wheat prices. I can give examples of Pakistan and Sri Lanka. And even strong countries such as Turkey are under strain due to rising trade deficit. My own country (India) have somehow survived this crisis, but there is no guarantee that the situation will continue in case the prices remain at elevated levels for a long time. Government has reduced taxes on petrol and diesel to make them more affordable, and the oil PSUs are incurring a loss of around Rs.20 per liter.
As far as I know, the problems in Sri Lanka are related to the failed attempt to return to organic farming, with the rejection of high-yielding hybrid seeds and chemical fertilizers. What worked well on a small eco-farm did not work well when trying to scale up to the whole country. Perhaps the moment for this risky experiment, which was superimposed by the negative effect of the pandemic, was simply unsuccessfully chosen.

In general, returning to the topic, I would not throw a tantrum over 20 million tons of wheat stuck in Ukraine. The figure seems huge, but on a global scale it is about three percent of wheat production, and fits within the margin of error from year to year, depending on yield and natural factors.

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In general, returning to the topic, I would not throw a tantrum over 20 million tons of wheat stuck in Ukraine. The figure seems huge, but on a global scale it is about three percent of wheat production, and fits within the margin of error from year to year, depending on yield and natural factors.

There is a statement from the Ukrainian foreign minister (Dmytro Kuleba):

https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1532766124894568455



He is actually seeking guarantees from Russia before exporting the grain. So who is to blame here? Russia has issued statements recently, supporting the export of wheat from Odessa. And from what I heard, the Turkish president (Recep Tayyip Erdoğan) has also got involved, and is negotiating with Russia to resume the exports. The Ukrainians on the other hand seems to be playing delaying tactics and pinning the blame on Russia. Now I am not sure whether it will be right to blame Russia at this point.

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Dude, Ukraine is losing. There were videos of their armies surrendering, this is desparate times and anything that will hurt Russia they will do it particularly their media.

The Russian said they have their  grains, they are willing to distribute them but Ukrainjan ships are sanctioned themselves. I'm not gonna be surprise if Russians will distribute grains house to house in the cities.

Believe it or not. The Russians are not the bad guys in this war. Stop watching Hollywood and spread love. xhugsx 😁

I'm not used to dealing with people who live in morbid fantasies. This is the lot of psychiatrists Smiley Instead of a hundred words, I'll just give a map of the hostilities in Ukraine, and statistics on the "second army in the world", more precisely, in the inflamed brain of some individuals Smiley

So. To date, the losses of Russian terrorist troops in Ukraine:
- manpower - approximately 31,000 terrorists
- armored vehicles - about 3300
- Tanks - about 1400
- Aircraft - 210
- Helicopters - 175
and a lot of other stuff Smiley

And the visualization of the "greatness of the army of terrorists." On this map:
- Yellow + pink, the territory that was occupied by Russian terrorists at the beginning of the terrorist attack on Ukraine.
- Yellow color - territories that were liberated from terrorists, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, volunteer battalions, territorial defense units, or, well, in the words of Russian propaganda - "which does not have an army", in the country "which we will completely occupy in 2-3 weeks" Smiley

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Information as of May 16, but no fundamental changes have occurred over the past 2 weeks
With the exception of the mass surrender of Azov fighters in Mariupol lol. After that, the Armed Forces of Ukraine significantly lost morale and combat effectiveness in the Donbas, and the defense there actually crumbled. A military analyst of you is so-so. Grin

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My nation was one of the first ones to get hit by this. Bread is something we eat a lot, and there are other materials that you could use of course but since wheat was the primary one, that got super expensive, we can't get wheat anywhere for a sensible price, and since we can't the price of wheat bread went up and because of that every other type went up. Add in the fact that gas prices are high as well (and I mean like nearly x4 times higher than last year this time) that meant that all theo ther food got high as well due to logistics. In fact, it got to a level where people used to grow stuff in far away places because huge lands would be cheaper there, but nowadays if you are closer to the city, it will cost you more to get land, but then it would be cheap to get it into the city with how little you will pay for gas compared to others. We have a %150+ inflation rate, everywhere is troubled with inflation but nearly NOBODY has %150+ inflation rate, people are protesting out there and it sucks.

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Yep, Ukraine mined the way out of Odessa, fearing a Russian landing. This was announced in early March by the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on his Facebook page. Later, of course, Ukraine tried to blame everything on Russia, but it didn’t work out.

I beg your pardon - as always, you pulled out a piece of text, and now you also lied, saying that you had mined the Black Sea area! And all in order to try once again to justify the world terrorist - Russia! And it's easy to prove, very simple!
1. Ukraine mined by setting "minefields", but ... COAST and COASTAL zone (up to 1 km, from the coastline), so that the landing force could not set foot on the ground, and not disrupt maritime traffic throughout the region.
2. Ukraine did not mine the coastal zone with free-floating mines.


There are over 400 mines in the black sea area. So Russia plant them to prevent their own landing? That didn't sound totally idiotic? If Ukraine only set minefields in the coastal zone then who place those mines? When FSB is accusing Ukraine to put those mines in the black sea ( which is logical by determining the situation) but Ukraine denied it.

I do not trust what the Russian or Ukrainian side said. If I justify the situation and possibilities then putting mines in the black sea from Ukrainian is more logical to me.
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Yep, Ukraine mined the way out of Odessa, fearing a Russian landing. This was announced in early March by the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on his Facebook page. Later, of course, Ukraine tried to blame everything on Russia, but it didn’t work out.

I beg your pardon - as always, you pulled out a piece of text, and now you also lied, saying that you had mined the Black Sea area! And all in order to try once again to justify the world terrorist - Russia! And it's easy to prove, very simple!
1. Ukraine mined by setting "minefields", but ... COAST and COASTAL zone (up to 1 km, from the coastline), so that the landing force could not set foot on the ground, and not disrupt maritime traffic throughout the region.
2. Ukraine did not mine the coastal zone with free-floating mines.


There are over 400 mines in the black sea area. So Russia plant them to prevent their own landing? That didn't sound totally idiotic? If Ukraine only set minefields in the coastal zone then who place those mines? When FSB is accusing Ukraine to put those mines in the black sea ( which is logical by determining the situation) but Ukraine denied it.

I do not trust what the Russian or Ukrainian side said. If I justify the situation and possibilities then putting mines in the black sea from Ukrainian is more logical to me.
I don't know what has gone wrong with the Russia - it is a rich country and have oil and gas resources.
Why are they putting themselves in trouble? They should stay happy and live and let live - YOLO

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Dude, Ukraine is losing. There were videos of their armies surrendering, this is desparate times and anything that will hurt Russia they will do it particularly their media.

The Russian said they have their  grains, they are willing to distribute them but Ukrainjan ships are sanctioned themselves. I'm not gonna be surprise if Russians will distribute grains house to house in the cities.

Believe it or not. The Russians are not the bad guys in this war. Stop watching Hollywood and spread love. xhugsx 😁

I am not sure from where this is coming but it seems you loving the Russian side. You should have watched the initial videos of butchery they did with the small kids, children, older people when they lost the hope of winning in the first 15 days. You never know what is going on the war land, their could be heartfelt things like rapes, killing innocents and what not.

This is one of the greatest migration in masses since the modern era war and I think one should notice how Russia is not willing to be calm on such small country. They are just raging that's all and even their soldiers are fearful now and don't understand whom to follow, the heart or the heartless leader.

I am not against your opinion but food and water is basic need of every human and no matter they should have it.
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I must say that this war led me to a number of disappointments. Among them is the disappointment in the lack of care about the ideas appropriated by the Western world as their central values: freedom, human rights, democracy. Leading genocide scholars concluded that Russia's war against Ukraine is genocidal in its nature, and that there's an imminent risk of genocide. All the signatories of the Genocide Convention are legally obliged to prevent genocide. But they aren't doing it, and are letting atrocities after atrocities to build up, many hesitating to strongly help Ukraine in the war and weighing human lives against profits. Then there's this huge risk of decades of progress in eradicating hunger being eliminated right now by Russia's war, and again, it's not a good enough argument to do everything they can to stop Russia. There are countries that are really doing so much, and there are those that are barely doing anything. They don't care about dying civilians, raped children, famine or anything else, really, as much as they care about profits and the growth of their economies. It is very unfortunate that it turns out there are only a handful of countries who truly believe and are ready to sacrifice something for democracy, for saving innocent lives. And I'm sorry that because of the hesitance of certain countries that could help cripple Russia's power but decided against it, more innocent lives will be lost, including those who'll die from hunger.


There's a genocide in China going on with Uyghurs muslims. China's government are racial essentialists and there's been clear evidence that groups of Uyghurs have been shipped to modern day concentration camps and held in captivity. U.S. and Europe are well aware of the issue, yet they choose to do nothing. Not even a condemnation as far as I'm aware.

The western world values their economy and financial freedom for the people within their borders and will sacrifice their morals for anyone else outside. The west doesn't really care about Ukraine, they're worried about their own national security and economic interests, genocide or not.
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Information as of May 16, but no fundamental changes have occurred over the past 2 weeks


No change? During the last two weeks, Russia managed to capture the strategic city of Lyman and they are close to capturing Severodonetsk. At this point, the Russian forces and their allies control around 16.72% of Ukraine (one-sixth). Here is the breakdown:

97.01% of Lugask is under the control of LNR (25,888 sq.km).
59.11% of Donestk is under the control of DNR (15,674 sq.km).

On top of that, the Russian forces directly control regions outside the Donbass:

10,477 sq.km of Kharkiv Oblast (33.35%).
48,922 sq.km in Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts (almost 100% of Kherson and around 70% of Zaporizhia).

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Food I think would easier to switch to a different supplier or buy a totally different one (like the alternatives I've mentioned). With oil and gas though it'll take longer to build new pipelines.

This is one reason Russia invaded - the pipelines are already built and Ukraine can use those to export their own gas that has been discovered there - in areas conveniently occupied by Russia now. That would have provided an alternative to Europe.

Its hard to switch if many country is not executing to plant those product and they have other things exist on their country. But if more country will realize that they are lacking an important product and want to became self sustaining country then maybe they should look at this aspects and make their country great by investing on those resources which can help their country to boost up.

Those what happen to Russia is wake up call to all government on any parts of the world to find a solution towards ongoing crisis brought up by certain products hold on that country.

Well they can start planting now. I think the main possible issue with switching is if the current producers are producing enough for their current market. Like, the Americas produce corn for their consumption but we don't know if they'll have enough excess to sell if the people feeding on wheat switches to corn suddenly.
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Well they can start planting now. I think the main possible issue with switching is if the current producers are producing enough for their current market. Like, the Americas produce corn for their consumption but we don't know if they'll have enough excess to sell if the people feeding on wheat switches to corn suddenly.
Wheat is planted in winter and it gets ready in summer. Wheat is not a winter crop.
How ever I dont think this would happen. There will be shortage - this is just a panic created. I am sure that this food crisis will not happen. Ameen

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