Solar panels set to be mandatory on all new buildings under EU plan

[Ozero]

nucular is the fastest and cheapest green energy that can power whole eu

Nuclear energy may be the fastest and cheapest, but at the same time the most dangerous for the population of our planet. We have already seen what ordinary accidents can lead to at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in Ukraine and at the Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant in Japan. We live in conditions of ever-increasing global climate change, which are accompanied by increased natural disasters. An accident at a nuclear power plant alone can destroy a significant part of humanity and make large areas of the Earth lifeless.
Therefore, it is still better to use solar panels, wind turbines and other sources of green energy that do not have such possible dangerous consequences. Based on this, the plans of European countries to install solar panels on a mandatory basis for every new house are very timely. Including Europe will be able to get rid of gas and oil dependence on Russia and no longer be blackmailed by this aggressor country.

[Freeesta]

Solar panels are good for warm but not hot climates. Huge equipment and battery costs, high maintenance and washing. For the correct operation of solar panels, a certain angle of inclination is required, and this is not always possible. To feel the benefits for your pocket, you need to use these panels for many years and there is no guarantee that they will pay off. Good idea but not for everyone.

[Naficopa]

Solar panels are good for warm but not hot climates. Huge equipment and battery costs, high maintenance and washing. For the correct operation of solar panels, a certain angle of inclination is required, and this is not always possible. To feel the benefits for your pocket, you need to use these panels for many years and there is no guarantee that they will pay off. Good idea but not for everyone.

Six months ago my friend installed solar panel. He is so happy and believed this is the best decision he had ever made.
The solar panel is future - one should grab it sooner the better.
I am also interested in installing solar panel in my home but problem is reverse electric meter.

[Freeesta]

Solar panels are good for warm but not hot climates. Huge equipment and battery costs, high maintenance and washing. For the correct operation of solar panels, a certain angle of inclination is required, and this is not always possible. To feel the benefits for your pocket, you need to use these panels for many years and there is no guarantee that they will pay off. Good idea but not for everyone.

Six months ago my friend installed solar panel. He is so happy and believed this is the best decision he had ever made.
The solar panel is future - one should grab it sooner the better.
I am also interested in installing solar panel in my home but problem is reverse electric meter.

Very happy for your friend! How long does he use solar panels? I think that buying a battery and all the equipment will require a lot of money. Does your friend live in a sunny climate? Solar panels are guaranteed for 10 years, and the service life of these panels is 20-30 years. Will he be able to recoup their cost in that time?

[Naficopa]

Very happy for your friend! How long does he use solar panels? I think that buying a battery and all the equipment will require a lot of money. Does your friend live in a sunny climate? Solar panels are guaranteed for 10 years, and the service life of these panels is 20-30 years. Will he be able to recoup their cost in that time?

yes - we live in the area where temperature touches to 50 F in summer too. Its too hot mostly 5 months are summer. So we have air condition on for almost 4 months in row. HE is using the panels which send the electricity back to the power plant. That is how he has not paid any electricity bill after he has installed the panels.

[Freeesta]

Very happy for your friend! How long does he use solar panels? I think that buying a battery and all the equipment will require a lot of money. Does your friend live in a sunny climate? Solar panels are guaranteed for 10 years, and the service life of these panels is 20-30 years. Will he be able to recoup their cost in that time?

yes - we live in the area where temperature touches to 50 F in summer too. Its too hot mostly 5 months are summer. So we have air condition on for almost 4 months in row. HE is using the panels which send the electricity back to the power plant. That is how he has not paid any electricity bill after he has installed the panels.

It is perfectly! Solar panels are a good idea for such places. If we have the right climate we can save a lot of money. Solar panels can help out even in places where there is no electricity at all. For example, if your house is in the forest. A great savings option. During the use of solar panels, a lot can change and people will come up with alternative sources.

[TheNineClub]

Someone here mentioned that not much european countries can take advantage of that, and that's not true. With Spain and Grece there is also Italy and Croatia, some parts of Slovenia, but actually, it's 32 degrees and sunny in Berlin these days, and that tells me that a lot of countries will be able to take advantage of this, at least a couple of months a year, and that's plenty.

[bakasabo]

Someone here mentioned that not much european countries can take advantage of that, and that's not true. With Spain and Grece there is also Italy and Croatia, some parts of Slovenia, but actually, it's 32 degrees and sunny in Berlin these days, and that tells me that a lot of countries will be able to take advantage of this, at least a couple of months a year, and that's plenty.

According to the German Meteorological Service, aka the German Weather Service (DWD), in 2021 the annual quantity of hours of sunshine in Germany totalled 1'631 hours, which means that the national average for the year was hours of sunshine a day or 136 full sunny days.

I am not an expert, but I will try to come to a logical conclusion by throwing some googled data here. In a ~60m2 flat I spend about 5kw daily. I cant install solar panels on house facade only for myself, but I will copy data from "company that provide solar panel, installations services and etc". Company has a portfolio. From a picture of private house roof that says 5kw I see 8 panels. Cheapest panel they offer cost 275 EUR. Plus mounting parts 59 EUR for each panel. I would also need a power invertor (985 EUR) and cables (100m long cost 175 EUR). It will cost me around 4000 EUR to be partly undependable from local energy provider. My monthly electricity bill is about 40 EUR. It will take more than 8 years minimum, before I will start to feel an advantage of solar panels. I would say that here weather is quite similar to Berlin. If we count that not days are sunny, then 8 years can easily turn into, maybe 13+ ?

[stompix]

I am not an expert, but I will try to come to a logical conclusion by throwing some googled data here. In a ~60m2 flat I spend about 5kw daily. I cant install solar panels on house facade only for myself, but I will copy data from "company that provide solar panel, installations services and etc". Company has a portfolio. From a picture of private house roof that says 5kw I see 8 panels.

You're mixing power and energy.
You're spending 5kwh each day, not kw, and solar panels don't come in kwh they come in more likely watts alone.
If you have 4x250 watts panels (1kw), and you have 4 hours of sunshine you will produce 4kwh of power that day.

So basically you will need 5 panels for your consumption.

From a picture of private house roof that says 5kw I see 8 panels.

That's power, a 5KW system will produce 5kwh each hour.

My monthly electricity bill is about 40 EUR.

If you consume 150kwh a month, I highly doubt your bill is just 40 euros right now in Germany, no fricking way you're getting 25cents per kWh with all vat and taxes and monthly fees, E.On already charges 44 cents per kWh in Hannover, I can tell you this from a May bill my co-worker received.

[helloinox]

You guys are missing the bigger picture. Solar panels have the variable cause the dependent on the sun lit in its way to provide power. This makes it become tricky to make it an energy source for stable 24/7/365 day, all season in EU country. The movement or green deal behind it quite not close to what it stood since waste from the battery, from the used panels, from maintaining upkeep doesn't worth what it can give back. I rather have EU haste its plan to renew and build the new nuclear plants.

[bustabitsboy]

You guys are missing the bigger picture. Solar panels have the variable cause the dependent on the sun lit in its way to provide power. This makes it become tricky to make it an energy source for stable 24/7/365 day, all season in EU country. The movement or green deal behind it quite not close to what it stood since waste from the battery, from the used panels, from maintaining upkeep doesn't worth what it can give back. I rather have EU haste its plan to renew and build the new nuclear plants.

Yes, that would be much better than solar panels. But this will take many years, maybe decades. Solar panels can provide electricity today. Indeed, maintenance and repair will require a lot of costs and not everyone will benefit from it. In addition, in this way it will be possible to support manufacturers of solar panels. They also need income. Especially if they are produced in their own country.

[bakasabo]

My monthly electricity bill is about 40 EUR.

If you consume 150kwh a month, I highly doubt your bill is just 40 euros right now in Germany, no fricking way you're getting 25cents per kWh with all vat and taxes and monthly fees, E.On already charges 44 cents per kWh in Hannover, I can tell you this from a May bill my co-worker received.

Like I've said, I am not an expert. I spend on average 5kw daily, sometimes more, sometime less. I am not from Germany. I dont want to lie, but I remember something about 15 or 16 cents khw (but I clearly remember several years ago it cost 6 cents and while others had price increase, I've had 5.8 cents), plus electricity delivery, taxes and other mystery lines in the bill. My average electricity bills are around 40 EUR, no matter if it are sunny summer days, or dark winter.

I am not living in a private house, but in an apartment house with 100+ flats. The roof if huge, but the house itself is old. There is no way neighbors gonna sign an agreement to install solar panels. Firstly they wont do it due to low income, and "house maintenance budget" is not so huge to afford to cover whole roof with panels, or at least with reasonable amount of panels to make them worth installing.

[Naficopa]

You guys are missing the bigger picture. Solar panels have the variable cause the dependent on the sun lit in its way to provide power. This makes it become tricky to make it an energy source for stable 24/7/365 day, all season in EU country. The movement or green deal behind it quite not close to what it stood since waste from the battery, from the used panels, from maintaining upkeep doesn't worth what it can give back. I rather have EU haste its plan to renew and build the new nuclear plants.

But in countries which have hot weather and the sun is up for approx 12 hours a day installing solar panels is a very good investment.
In subcontinent - particularly in India - the gov is providing subsidy for installation of solar panels. And also it is good for the those who consume lot of electricity. Those who made investment in early days have made decision.

[South Park]

You guys are missing the bigger picture. Solar panels have the variable cause the dependent on the sun lit in its way to provide power. This makes it become tricky to make it an energy source for stable 24/7/365 day, all season in EU country. The movement or green deal behind it quite not close to what it stood since waste from the battery, from the used panels, from maintaining upkeep doesn't worth what it can give back. I rather have EU haste its plan to renew and build the new nuclear plants.

Yes, that would be much better than solar panels. But this will take many years, maybe decades. Solar panels can provide electricity today. Indeed, maintenance and repair will require a lot of costs and not everyone will benefit from it. In addition, in this way it will be possible to support manufacturers of solar panels. They also need income. Especially if they are produced in their own country.

It is interesting how things are playing out, due to the disaster at the nuclear plant of Fukushima of 2011 there was a very strong movement against nuclear energy all around the world, which lead to the suspension of the construction or the closure of nuclear plants, if politicians had not gotten fearful of nuclear energy back then Europe will not be anywhere as dependent on Russian gas and oil, so European governments are forced to take a suboptimal decision which will cost more money and will not be as effective, increasing the price of energy all over Europe just when we are going through a period of high inflation.

[dezoel]

I am not an expert, but I will try to come to a logical conclusion by throwing some googled data here. In a ~60m2 flat I spend about 5kw daily. I cant install solar panels on house facade only for myself, but I will copy data from "company that provide solar panel, installations services and etc". Company has a portfolio. From a picture of private house roof that says 5kw I see 8 panels.

You're mixing power and energy.
You're spending 5kwh each day, not kw, and solar panels don't come in kwh they come in more likely watts alone.
If you have 4x250 watts panels (1kw), and you have 4 hours of sunshine you will produce 4kwh of power that day.

So basically you will need 5 panels for your consumption.

I think that ain’t too bad, 5 panels could cost a bit when you are starting out, but from what I understand you are not going to spend another single dime on it ever again? So, your mining would forever be free? If that is the case, that initial start-up cost could be awesome.

I know a guy who does mining (gpu) in a small shed like stuff but he maxed out, he has like 200 gpu's inside that small shed, did it like that because he had a HUGE fan type of thing that cools it, hence if it is small enough, it would be easier to cool it as well, it’s not a freezer type of cold, but it is quite cold, like you wouldn't be able to live in that cold, it’s quite bad (well good for the machines). So, if he put some solars on top of it as well, that means this dude would get wealthy without spending another dime on it ever again?

[stompix]

You're mixing power and energy.
You're spending 5kwh each day, not kw, and solar panels don't come in kwh they come in more likely watts alone.
If you have 4x250 watts panels (1kw), and you have 4 hours of sunshine you will produce 4kwh of power that day.

So basically you will need 5 panels for your consumption.

I think that ain’t too bad, 5 panels could cost a bit when you are starting out, but from what I understand you are not going to spend another single dime on it ever again? So, your mining would forever be free? If that is the case, that initial start-up cost could be awesome.

No, it's not like that.
Some really mistake the consumption a powerful video card has just because they are always compared with ASICs.
A video card that draws 250W will burn 6 kwh each day,  180kwh a month, more than what bakasabo consumes normally.

To put it as easy to understand, if you have 250W solar panels and 6 hours of peak sun on average you will need 4 of those panels and batteries to power continuously one 250W card. 200 videocards would consume 1200 kwh each day, needing at least 800 panels and batteries able to store at least 3/4 of those, around 900 kwh, so about 60 Tesla powerwalls..

[bustabitsboy]

You guys are missing the bigger picture. Solar panels have the variable cause the dependent on the sun lit in its way to provide power. This makes it become tricky to make it an energy source for stable 24/7/365 day, all season in EU country. The movement or green deal behind it quite not close to what it stood since waste from the battery, from the used panels, from maintaining upkeep doesn't worth what it can give back. I rather have EU haste its plan to renew and build the new nuclear plants.

Yes, that would be much better than solar panels. But this will take many years, maybe decades. Solar panels can provide electricity today. Indeed, maintenance and repair will require a lot of costs and not everyone will benefit from it. In addition, in this way it will be possible to support manufacturers of solar panels. They also need income. Especially if they are produced in their own country.

It is interesting how things are playing out, due to the disaster at the nuclear plant of Fukushima of 2011 there was a very strong movement against nuclear energy all around the world, which lead to the suspension of the construction or the closure of nuclear plants, if politicians had not gotten fearful of nuclear energy back then Europe will not be anywhere as dependent on Russian gas and oil, so European governments are forced to take a suboptimal decision which will cost more money and will not be as effective, increasing the price of energy all over Europe just when we are going through a period of high inflation.

Europe has no other choice. It is not and will not be in the future! What is left to do to keep warm? Fire wood stove? Solar panels are still a modern form of electricity generation. This year they will be in great demand in Europe. Nuclear power plants are dangerous and if this option is considered, safety measures must be taken. What can be done here? Do not engage in nonsense and buy gas from Russia)

[Vaskiy]

You guys are missing the bigger picture. Solar panels have the variable cause the dependent on the sun lit in its way to provide power. This makes it become tricky to make it an energy source for stable 24/7/365 day, all season in EU country. The movement or green deal behind it quite not close to what it stood since waste from the battery, from the used panels, from maintaining upkeep doesn't worth what it can give back. I rather have EU haste its plan to renew and build the new nuclear plants.

Yes, that would be much better than solar panels. But this will take many years, maybe decades. Solar panels can provide electricity today. Indeed, maintenance and repair will require a lot of costs and not everyone will benefit from it. In addition, in this way it will be possible to support manufacturers of solar panels. They also need income. Especially if they are produced in their own country.

It is interesting how things are playing out, due to the disaster at the nuclear plant of Fukushima of 2011 there was a very strong movement against nuclear energy all around the world, which lead to the suspension of the construction or the closure of nuclear plants, if politicians had not gotten fearful of nuclear energy back then Europe will not be anywhere as dependent on Russian gas and oil, so European governments are forced to take a suboptimal decision which will cost more money and will not be as effective, increasing the price of energy all over Europe just when we are going through a period of high inflation.

Europe has no other choice. It is not and will not be in the future! What is left to do to keep warm? Fire wood stove? Solar panels are still a modern form of electricity generation. This year they will be in great demand in Europe. Nuclear power plants are dangerous and if this option is considered, safety measures must be taken. What can be done here? Do not engage in nonsense and buy gas from Russia)

Making solar panels mandatory in all new buildings is good than waiting on the queue to get oil and gas from Russia. More countries will engage in such act in the future, because beyond certain point oil and gas industry won't be able to supply the growing demand. Now itself finding an alternate and working on the same is good for the future.

[bustabitsboy]

Doesn't it seem strange to you that solar panels are being talked about right now? At the time when today's conflict between the USA and Russia takes place? Last year, everyone was calmly ill with covid and everyone was an excellent virologist. This year, all the people around suddenly became international economists. Last year, everyone was fine and quiet in the queue for gas to Russia, and this suited everyone. Doesn't it feel like we're being manipulated? And what will happen tomorrow? What is the new topic of discussion?

[Naficopa]

Doesn't it seem strange to you that solar panels are being talked about right now? At the time when today's conflict between the USA and Russia takes place? Last year, everyone was calmly ill with covid and everyone was an excellent virologist. This year, all the people around suddenly became international economists. Last year, everyone was fine and quiet in the queue for gas to Russia, and this suited everyone. Doesn't it feel like we're being manipulated? And what will happen tomorrow? What is the new topic of discussion?

Solar panels are the need of the time. Its the future, those who have taken the right decision at the right time are the real heros.
We have not done that till now. And we strongly repent. Now we all are planning to get a solar panal for our homes. That is the only solution for power outage.