Stake.com does not pay out $40k+ money. Scam

[TwitchySeal]

This post reminds me of the guy that figured out some hack on gameart/isoftbet slots a while ago.

mainly due to winnings in the slot machine

What were your biggest wins, and on which games?

According to Stake OP had multiple accounts.
Check their Email response and my summary about it.

It isn't due to match fixing or rigging. From what I have seen from past cases. Stake is usually descriptive with such cases and leave nothing for interpretation(I checked previous allegations upon stake on this forum).

This one stands out as a genuine case and seems very 1xBet'esque.

There's no chance Stake would seize players money simply because they have more than one account.  I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of stake regulars have more than one account.  There's more to the story.

This is what I mean by 1xbet'esque : https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

That video is just describing casinos.  They exist to make a profit, pretty much all of them.  That doesn't make all of them scam casinos like 1xbit, which, in the long run I would argue could be much more successful if scamming players wasn't part of their business model.

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There's no chance Stake would seize players money simply because they have more than one account.  I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of stake regulars have more than one account.  There's more to the story.

Like I said, check previous allegations on this forum.
Stake replies with a very descriptive reason when they ban someone.
This time it was clause 11, personal use - multiple accounts. They mentioned it explicitly not once, but twice AFTER suspending OP's account.

Please don't act it as if those screenshots don't even exist.


I am repeating myself here, I wouldn't have to if you went through the thread even once.

Or just read my conclusion
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400984.msg60283976#msg60283976

That video is just describing casinos.  They exist to make a profit, pretty much all of them.  That doesn't make all of them scam casinos like 1xbit, which, in the long run I would argue could be much more successful if scamming players wasn't part of their business model.

Have you even seen the video?
The guy is a customer "account" supervisor and he's talking about online gambling.


and I meant 1xbet here, not 1xbit. 1xbit is nothing but a small fly.
Search 1xbet scam, and you will get to know what I mean.



Again, please read the post and entire thread before making any replies here. Thank you.

[TwitchySeal]

There's no chance Stake would seize players money simply because they have more than one account.  I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of stake regulars have more than one account.  There's more to the story.

Like I said, check previous allegations on this forum.
Stake replies with a very descriptive reason when they ban someone.
This time it was clause 11, personal use - multiple accounts. They mentioned it explicitly not once, but twice AFTER suspending OP's account.

Please don't act it as if those screenshots don't even exist.

Out of all the previous allegations on this forum against casinos you're familiar with, how often did you believe that the player was sharing the whole story and not intentionally leaving out or making up details in attempt to make themselves look like more of a victim than they really are...in order to pressure the casino to pay them money they aren't actually entitled to.

Like I said, Stake won't just freeze your funds because you have multiple accounts.  Don't be naive, there is more to this story,

Also, 1xbit and 1xbet are the same company.

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Out of all the previous allegations on this forum against casinos you're familiar with, how often did you believe that the player was sharing the whole story and not intentionally leaving out or making up details in attempt to make themselves look like more of a victim than they really are...in order to pressure the casino to pay them money they aren't actually entitled to.

Like I said, Stake won't just freeze your funds because you have multiple accounts.  Don't be naive, there is more to this story,

If there was more to the story then why didn't Stake declare so in the communication?

Why did it become a problem only WHEN OP started to withdraw a substantial amount , which is coincidentally(?) equal to their profit.

Why did Stake ask for additional verification if it was for nothing?

I have raised these questions in my conclusion, so please refrain from making any additional replies which amount to nothing except for diluting the seriousness of OP's claim.

You have have already made up your decision, but it's based on a fallacy and biased reasoning.


And no, 1xbit is a small scam, they had an active sig campaign on this forum until last week.
They aren't the same. Bit and bet are different words too.

[TwitchySeal]

Out of all the previous allegations on this forum against casinos you're familiar with, how often did you believe that the player was sharing the whole story and not intentionally leaving out or making up details in attempt to make themselves look like more of a victim than they really are...in order to pressure the casino to pay them money they aren't actually entitled to.

Like I said, Stake won't just freeze your funds because you have multiple accounts.  Don't be naive, there is more to this story,

If there was more to the story then why didn't Stake declare so in the communication?

Why did it become a problem only WHEN OP started to withdraw a substantial amount , which is coincidentally(?) equal to their profit.

Why did Stake ask for additional verification if it was for nothing?

I have raised these questions in my conclusion, so please refrain from making any additional replies which amount to nothing except for diluting the seriousness of OP's claim.

You have have already made up your decision, but it's based on a fallacy and biased reasoning.


And no, 1xbit is a small scam, they had an active sig campaign on this forum until last week.
They aren't the same. Bit and bet are different words too.

They haven't finished their investigation yet.  If they're asking for more and more kyc documents, it means they're investigating something and they think he's someone that's cheated somehow.  Probably someone they've caught multiple times.  Eventually he'll get an explanation. hopefully Stunna shares what he can in this thread.  My money is still on some sort of third party slot exploit.

I've been playing there pretty much since they launched, and prime dice before that, and I'm telling you, it's rare anyone get's their funds frozen.  Even when they ban accounts, they just put you in withdraw only mode.  You get caught living in a restricted country?  Still get paid.  Using a bunch of accounts for promos?  Still get paid.  If funds are frozen, it means they think you basically robbed them somehow.  And you gotta remember, someone that figures out how to rob them, they aren't just going to stop because they got caught.  THey're going to make another account and try again.  And when they do get caught, this forum gives them another shot at getting paid anyway - all they have to do is make the damage to stakes rep worth more than the amount they're trying to collect.

And no, 1xbit is a small scam, they had an active sig campaign on this forum until last week.
They aren't the same. Bit and bet are different words too.

I could go find the posts with all the evidence, including court documents, linking 1xbit and 1xbet to the same Russian company, 1xCorp, despite the 1xbit rep insisting they were completely separate, but then you wouldn't learn how to figure it out for yourself.

[edgycorner]

If they're asking for more and more kyc documents, ........

You are again not in touch with the thread. Please stop making replies. It's really not helping anyone.

They asked for more KYC in one email, almost 9 days back. OP even got a reply via Email on 30th May(5 days after submitting required KYC).
PLEASE CHECK MY SUMMARY TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE.
Please go through the screenshots again.

I won't be discussing the other part of your reply since it's off topic. You are free to create a new topic, I will reply reply there.

If you believe 1xbit and 1xbet are the same companies, you are free to pursue it on some other thread.

[PalamarNadia]

This post reminds me of the guy that figured out some hack on gameart/isoftbet slots a while ago.

mainly due to winnings in the slot machine

What were your biggest wins, and on which games?


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Basically, slots from Push Gaming (Jaminn jars, Razor Shark, Big Bamboo) managed to win a couple of times 15-17k for a bonus, but before that I lost a lot in Play n go. Does it really matter what slots I played?

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Basically, slots from Push Gaming (Jaminn jars, Razor Shark, Big Bamboo) managed to win a couple of times 15-17k for a bonus, but before that I lost a lot in Play n go. Does it really matter what slots I played?

Slots is the bread and butter of Stake.
Every other streamer is playing slots on stake when you open Twitch. It definitely shouldn't be a problem.

Stake has already provided their reason, and have stuck to it. It will only make them seem more guilty if they provide some other reason now and change their narration.

[TwitchySeal]

If they're asking for more and more kyc documents, ........

You are again not in touch with the thread. Please stop making replies. It's really not helping anyone.

They asked for more KYC in one email, almost 9 days back. OP even got a reply via Email on 30th May(5 days after submitting required KYC).
PLEASE CHECK MY SUMMARY TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE.
Please go through the screenshots again.

I won't be discussing the other part of your reply since it's off topic. You are free to create a new topic, I will reply reply there.

If you believe 1xbit and 1xbet are the same companies, you are free to pursue it on some other thread.

I've seen them go silent for weeks while waiting for various investigations to be concluded while giving up very little info in the mean time.  What I haven't seen is any case where a player had their funds frozen simply because they had multiple accounts. 

It's weird how belligerent you're acting in defense of this unknown player, giving them the benefit of doubt with zero reputation making a claim about one of the most established sites in crypto (if you go back to the beginnings of primedice).  Were you offered any sort of compensation for successfully helping OP get paid? 

Regardless, I think you need to give Stunna some time to respond before making any conclusions. 

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Not saying that this isn't potentially real - just odd since the company makes an insane amount of money per month, why would they risk it all with what is a 'small' deposit/win for them

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Hope the fact Eddie is Russian the OP is Ukrainian have nothing to do with this.

[edgycorner]

It's weird how belligerent you're acting in defense of this unknown player, giving them the benefit of doubt with zero reputation making a claim about one of the most established sites in crypto (if you go back to the beginnings of primedice).  Were you offered any sort of compensation for successfully helping OP get paid?  

Maybe because I feel sympathy for OP since she's a woman from Ukraine who can't speak English to be able to present their case?
Sympathy? Do you know what it means? and how it makes people help out strangers?  Maybe bitcointalk needs a good samaritan law lol

I guess you really can't help people without being prosecuted yourself here.

Here's my entire convo with OP on tele **just to prove you wrong AGAIN**
https://imgur.com/a/XRo3Rnd

Thanks for spoiling my day.
 
I know you are butthurt because I called you out multiple times for your garbage posting and how none of your replies match the context.

Also, I have told you multiple times already. Read my summary.

I had my own troubles with stake in the past, and they got resolved when Stunna got involved. I hope Stunna won't ignore this case. I have messaged them as well.

Welcome to my ignore list.

Not saying that this isn't potentially real - just odd since the company makes an insane amount of money per month, why would they risk it all with what is a 'small' deposit/win for them

OP was able to make multiple small withdrawals tho, without any problem.
They suspended their account when they tried withdrawing their profit.


Edit: the order in my imgur post is skewed, made another post in chronological order https://imgur.com/a/UjDWIOE

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If you don't believe in screenshots, here's a video
https://youtu.be/pjfs5i0UXzI


Thanks again for spoiling my mood for the rest of the day 

[TwitchySeal]

Maybe because I feel sympathy for OP since she's a woman from Ukraine

In case you're naïve enough to just take their word, OP is an unknown person using a forum account that was created 3 days ago with the intention of convincing the community they are a victim.  Don't assume anything more or you'll end up with a broken heart in no time.

And even if you have verified their gender and country, scammers come in all shapes, sizes, genders and nationalities.  This is the internet.

[Stalker22]

Let me begin by clarifying that I am not taking any side here. Just a neutral observer.

This is a brief description of a situation, if I understood correctly. The casino alleges the user is multi-accounting, which violates their Terms of Service. The casino then asks the user to provide additional documents for ID verification. The user complies and submits the required documents, but the casino remains firm on its original stance of multi-accounting. Did I get this right or did I miss something?

There are a few things that do not make sense to me. If the casino has irrefutable evidence that a particular user has violated the ToS, why are they requesting additional ID verification? Is it possible that ID verification could challenge the evidence they already have?

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There are a few things that do not make sense to me. If the casino has irrefutable evidence that a particular user has violated the ToS, why are they requesting additional ID verification? Is it possible that ID verification could challenge the evidence they already have?

Yup, this is what OP wanted to know.
I got judged & ridiculed by some member for trying to shed more light on their case to help them get these answers.

[Stunna]

Once a month something like this is posted by a brand new account acting innocent and putting on a show to try and get some money. Not sure why they choose to waste everyone's time with some bs story about how they were innocently placing some bets and were randomly restricted. It never works, any integrity team investigation is done completely independently to what is posted here.

Stake has millions of users and for someone to be suspended from the website in a situation like OP is describing is not arbitrary. We don't suspended users for just having multi-accounts we suspend them for using multiple accounts for the sake of abuse.

This individual placing bets obtained their profit from betting on sports not casino on 15+ accounts. They made these accounts to circumvent limits and restrictions put on previous accounts and have used their entire extended family's ID along with other potentially bought or borrowed ID's in an attempt to get around these limits. We have a number of methods that gave us very high confidence to link these accounts far beyond the ID's used. I don't want to share all details of the investigation as they will try to find ways to circumvent in the future. They have made a substantial profit all in all because of their use of a bulk of accounts.

Maybe because I feel sympathy for OP since she's a woman from Ukraine who can't speak English to be able to present their case?

 



Better explanation of our actions can be viewed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400984.msg60314378#msg60314378

[PalamarNadia]

Once a month something like this is posted by a brand new account acting innocent and putting on a show to try and get some money. Not sure why they choose to waste everyone's time with some bs story about how they were innocently placing some bets and were randomly restricted. It never works, any integrity team investigation is done completely independently to what is posted here.

Stake has millions of users and for someone to be suspended from the website in a situation like OP is describing is not arbitrary. We don't suspended users for just having multi-accounts we suspend them for using multiple accounts for the sake of abuse.

This individual placing bets obtained their profit from betting on sports not casino on 15+ accounts. They made these accounts to circumvent limits and restrictions put on previous accounts and have used their entire extended family's ID along with other potentially bought or borrowed ID's in an attempt to get around these limits. We have a number of methods that gave us very high confidence to link these accounts far beyond the ID's used. I don't want to share all details of the investigation as they will try to find ways to circumvent in the future. They have made a substantial profit all in all because of their use of a bulk of accounts.

Maybe because I feel sympathy for OP since she's a woman from Ukraine who can't speak English to be able to present their case?

 

Hello Stunna. I am very glad that you paid attention to my problem, it is immediately clear that you value your Players very much.

You accuse me of 15+ accounts, but at the same time you say that you do not ban players for multi-accounts. Have I abused sports betting for profit? Doesn't a player have the right to bet on sports on a gambling site?  If this accusation is indeed true  then why didn't you take action when there were 10+ or 14+ accounts? Does your security system work only after 15 accounts? Or were your losses tolerable? And why did you ask for my ID if you had already decided everything for yourself a long time ago? Are you mentioning my family and their id? Only my sister registered on your site using my referral link, is this prohibited? In my opinion, she even lost about 7 thousand dollars. As a partner, I didn’t see the statistics and the payout for it either.

We will not give back your money for the fact that you bet on sports, and periodically won, and your account became a plus, but while you were losing, everything was very good and we were happy to accept deposits.In addition, you have 15+ accounts that also had a large profit on sports betting, but we could not find them before, and decided not to pay just now?We have undeniable evidence, but we will not provide it?  and how are determining my ancestory to find such "extended family" of mine? Have you been to my city to find my distant relatives? How is this all determined?

Can you provide my exact stats on sports and casino instead of just presenting it in this manner(via only words)?

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Once a month something like this is posted by a brand new account acting innocent and putting on a show to try and get some money. Not sure why they choose to waste everyone's time with some bs story about how they were innocently placing some bets and were randomly restricted. It never works, any integrity team investigation is done completely independently to what is posted here.

Stake has millions of users and for someone to be suspended from the website in a situation like OP is describing is not arbitrary. We don't suspended users for just having multi-accounts we suspend them for using multiple accounts for the sake of abuse.

This individual placing bets obtained their profit from betting on sports not casino on 15+ accounts. They made these accounts to circumvent limits and restrictions put on previous accounts and have used their entire extended family's ID along with other potentially bought or borrowed ID's in an attempt to get around these limits. We have a number of methods that gave us very high confidence to link these accounts far beyond the ID's used. I don't want to share all details of the investigation as they will try to find ways to circumvent in the future. They have made a substantial profit all in all because of their use of a bulk of accounts.

Maybe because I feel sympathy for OP since she's a woman from Ukraine who can't speak English to be able to present their case?

 

With all respect Stunna you have conflicts in your words
If you cannot ban for multi accounts then why ban him ?
Also is there proof of the 15accounts linked ?
Beside all that you claim be abuse the system
Stake offer no deposit bonus to be abused by multi accounts by arbitrage.
I assume you ban him because he is a winner of he is a loser he mostly welcome
Better pay the player as things doesn't looks good based from your answer

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Once a month something like this is posted by a brand new account acting innocent and putting on a show to try and get some money.

Stake isn't limited to just people on bitcointalk now. You guys went global with a partnership with Drake and got streamers on twitch playing slot almost 24x7
https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Slots

OOT suggestion: The integrity department of Stake should expand its scope and include basic human ethics as well  
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1125170/twitch-app-us-users-age/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3334397/

This individual placing bets obtained their profit from betting on sports not casino on 15+ accounts. They made these accounts to circumvent limits and restrictions put on previous accounts and have used their entire extended family's ID along with other potentially bought or borrowed ID's in an attempt to get around these limits. We have a number of methods that gave us very high confidence to link these accounts far beyond the ID's used. I don't want to share all details of the investigation as they will try to find ways to circumvent in the future. They have made a substantial profit all in all because of their use of a bulk of accounts.

What I still fail to understand is, how can someone make any kind of profit by creating multiple accounts?
Were they farming referral bonus? But given how there's almost a 10%~15% house edge on sports betting, it's impossible to farm a referral bonus. Maths won't add up.

The only explanation would be betting on rigged matches by using multiple accounts? But we don't see any such claim made by Stunna or Stake in their original communication. Their bets aren't on E-sports either(which is very prone to fixing). Most of them are on major football leagues, french open, basketball leagues, etc and OP has been transparent in sharing all of their bet slips.

Personally, I am left with only one explanation, which is 1xBet'esque: Banning winners, keeping losers  https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M


Again, this is my opinion on the matter. I would love to see more explanation over this. Because I am not content with Stunna's current explanation.


OP has raised some good questions too.