How much do you care when you wear a commercial Signature?

[AnotherAlt]

I am not sure if this is the appropriate board to post this. But I am posting it here.

I know I am not eligible for any signature campaign. But I am interested to know a few things. Because I saw a few signature participants (1xbit) got tagged because they promoted scam websites. I think this topic will be helpful for other new members too.

How much do you care about the signature that you are wearing? There are a lot of platforms promoting their business. But, Not all of them are legit. There are some scam casinos like 1xbet. But, There are a lot of bounty campaigns that offer signature campaigns. But, half of them (even more) end up scamming their participants.

Do you research before Apply?

Do you research the platform background, or do you examine its legitimacy? I am asking this because I never played on 1xBit, and I didn't get scammed by them. Before joining their platform or signature campaign, I wouldn't know they were scammers. Not only 1xBit. What about other platforms? For example, if A new casino platform offers signature campaigns, Or an exchanger offers a signature campaign, Would you join their campaign without researching their platform? If you investigate any platform, What is the process? How do you check if they are good or bad?

Do you feel like they hired you?

When they accept your application, and you wear their signature, Do you feel like they hired you? If it sounds like a non-sense question, Here is why I am asking this: I noticed some 1xbit participants trying to defend their platform. Even there are no requirement on the campaign. I saw Chip-mixer participants doing discussion on Chip-mixer thread and most of them are Chip-Mixer Signature participants.

That's all.

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[mk4]

Do you research before Apply?

I haven't researched campaigns for a while because I've been in ChipMixer since God knows when, but I don't think it takes much effort to have an idea if a certain platform is a scam or not. First I'd dig through Bitcointalk first, then do some Google searching. If the platform ends up being really new (hence literally no reviews but has a legitimate working product), I might consider joining if I wasn't in a campaign yet, but I'd leave the moment I see clear signs of fraud.

Do you feel like they hired you?

It feels a lot more of a sponsorship than being hired, since you're still free to say whatever you want.

I saw Chip-mixer participants doing discussion on Chip-mixer thread and most of them are Chip-Mixer Signature participants.

You're probably going to see me and my fellow ChipMixer campaignees recommending ChipMixer on threads concerning mixing/tumbling services, but trust me when I say that it's not solely because we're getting paid. It's simply because that outside of coinjoins like Wasabi/Samourai/JoinMarket, imo ChipMixer is the only legitimate mixing service(that I know of) that has existed for a good amount of years already.


P.S. This thread fits better on the Meta section. The move option is on the bottom left part of this page.

[Solosanz]

I'm also not yet joined any campaign, but I have thinking about this matter.

I will do research before I will join the campaign because I wouldn't want to promote scam project, hence I got paid by them it's like I got an illegal money since they're scamming other people. For me it's just unethical to get an illegal money, but some people wouldn't think about it. Money is money, no matter what it's come from, as long as they can earn, they will do it.

I agree with mk4 it's a sponsorship rather than being hired, you're not worked for them to defend their sites. It's a paid shills where they're don't care with anything and just protect their project even though the project is scam. The reason why in Chipmixer thread has a lot reply of Chipmixer participants, because they're before joining already research about the project and familiar about it, or even often use it. They're different with bumping shills, I guess you know the difference between shitpost and constructive post isn't?

Many DT members will tag 1xbit participants because they're promoting scam, but honestly speaking, if joining a scam project didn't get tagged by DT members, I believe almost all users will promoting 1xbit since they have nothing to lose. The reason many users didn't join on 1xbit are they're worried to get tagged.

theymos ever mistakenly promoted 1xbit on forum ads, read in this thread Question to theymos but he already removed it because he's agree this forum shouldn't promoting scam. Even we can freely promoting any project, but that doesn't we can promote anything without knowing the background of the project.

Removed. A service with this reputation should not have been allowed to advertise, but because the bidder was fairly established and had no negative trust, I didn't do enough research, and I missed the scam accusations and the other account. Apologies.

First I'd dig through Bitcointalk first, then do some Google searching. If the platform ends up being really new (hence literally no reviews but has a legitimate working product), I might consider joining if I wasn't in a campaign yet, but I'd leave the moment I see clear signs of fraud.

Personally I will only search the project's reputation on this forum alone, since our signature mostly visible on this forum, not on google. Because there are some articles or public reviews e.g. trustpilot isn't really giving correct judgements.

Take an example of Chipmixer reviews on trustpilot where there's only two users give their opinion, the old opinion is good and the latest opinion he said Chipmixer is scam due to poor support, if they're only rely on this review, they might worried to use Chipmixer.

[mk4]

Personally I will only search the project's reputation on this forum alone, since our signature mostly visible on this forum, not on google. Because there are some articles or public reviews e.g. trustpilot isn't really giving correct judgements.

Take an example of Chipmixer reviews on trustpilot where there's only two users give their opinion, the old opinion is good and the latest opinion he said Chipmixer is scam due to poor support, if they're only rely on this review, they might worried to use Chipmixer.

It's just for me to have a clear idea if a certain service is clearly a scam or not, as there's a decent chance that certain services wouldn't have any reviews on Bitcointalk, but has reviews on other communities like Reddit.

^And I'm most definitely not going to base my opinions based on those trash "review sites".

[AnotherAlt]

This is 3rd time I have been trying to reply to you. Power outage three times in an hour.

First I'd dig through Bitcointalk first, then do some Google searching. If the platform ends up being really new (hence literally no reviews but has a legitimate working product), I might consider joining if I wasn't in a campaign yet, but I'd leave the moment I see clear signs of fraud.

You may not find results for every website on Bitcointalk search, especially if they are new projects. For the old one, There are still a lot of websites that weren't discussed on Bitcointalk. Also, I am afraid of Google searches. You may not get the correct result from a google search. Here is an example: I have searched on google typing "1xbit legitimacy". Here is the result I got.

The first result is this website:



When I entered this website, I was surprised. Because according to them, 1Xbit is a pretty good website, and they rated them 81 out of 100.



Not only this website But also a few more websites rated 1xbit as a good website. I am afraid that trust Pilot also joined them. Trust Pilot removed bad reviews saying we've detected misuse on this page

It feels a lot more of a sponsorship than being hired, since you're still free to say whatever you want. You're probably going to see me and my fellow ChipMixer campaignees recommending ChipMixer on threads concerning mixing/tumbling services, but trust me when I say that it's not solely because we're getting paid. It's simply because that outside of coinjoins like Wasabi/Samourai/JoinMarket, imo ChipMixer is the only legitimate mixing service(that I know of) that has existed for a good amount of years already.

I am going to be neutral about ChipMixer. Because I myself don't know any other legit mixer except ChipMixer, if I don't have other options, I cannot suggest anything else without ChipMixer. But, When it comes to other platforms like Casino and Exchanges, I see Signature participants suggest the company which signature they wearing. Watching those comments, I feel like they were hired.

P.S. This thread fits better in the Meta section. The move option is on the bottom left part of this page.

Thanks! Moved to Meta.

[mk4]

You may not find results for every website on Bitcointalk search, especially if they are new projects. For the old one, There are still a lot of websites that weren't discussed on Bitcointalk. Also, I am afraid of Google searches. You may not get the correct result from a google search. Here is an example: I have searched on google typing "1xbit legitimacy". Here is the result I got.

The first result is this website:

https://i.postimg.cc/0jCK830L/Google-search.png

When I entered this website, I was surprised. Because according to them, 1Xbit is a pretty good website, and they rated them 81 out of 100.
https://i.postimg.cc/9XP7tRHJ/Screenshot-32.png

Not only this website But also a few more websites rated 1xbit as a good website. I am afraid that trust Pilot also joined them. Trust Pilot removed bad reviews saying we've detected misuse on this page

Yea, don't read review sites. Do research on the likes of Reddit/Twitter/Quora(though mostly crap)/Facebook/etc as the "reviews" are more likely to be organic than just people on blogs trying to monetize through a platforms referral/affiliate program.

But of course, even if it's on social media, always keep your skepticism up.

[Rikafip]

Do you research the platform background, or do you examine its legitimacy?

So far I've been part of 4 different signature campaigns and all were going on for quite some time so honestly I didn't do in-depth check ( I did check briefly though) as if there was something seriously wrong, someone would have discovered long time ago it as this forum doesn't lack good detectives.

For example, if A new casino platform offers signature campaigns, Or an exchanger offers a signature campaign, Would you join their campaign without researching their platform?

I would definitely check brand new casino/exchange signature campaign before joining. I even busted one brand new bitcoin signatures campaign that had some fishy things going (iirc it was some wallet and they copy/pasted their whole content and concept from another project) and that was hosted by a known manager so in case of a new campaign I would recommend to do proper due diligence and not to rely on manager to do it for you.

When they accept your application, and you wear their signature, Do you feel like they hired you? If it sounds like a non-sense question, Here is why I am asking this: I noticed some 1xbit participants trying to defend their platform. Even there are no requirement on the campaign. I saw Chip-mixer participants doing discussion on Chip-mixer thread and most of them are Chip-Mixer Signature participants.

No matter how you feel, they did hire you. Then again, that doesn't mean that you have to defend them and no reputable signature campaign will ever ask that from people that they are wearing their signature. With that being said, people do tend to defend the business they are promoting (in case of a long term campaigns), but I think that has more to do with the fact that they are either using that service or it has good reputation on the forum rather than just because they are paid to wear their signature.

[Maus0728]

Do you research before Apply?

I'm not sure how many signature campaigns I've participated in in the past, but I am certain that before applying, I was aware that that particular project/casino/service has been paying its signature campaign participants consistently and without fail for around a year.

Didn't do any background checks either, because most of the time, when a project is completely new, the management will escrow the first 2-4 weeks of payments, giving you some sense of security that your work will not go in vain.

Before joining their platform or signature campaign, I wouldn't know they were scammers.

You can easily know when a specific campaign is fraud is when everyone who joined their signature campaign has been red-tagged. This is the reason why doing your due diligence is critical before joining any campaign as you'll be getting negative trust when that platform goes south.

Do you feel like they hired you?

Yes, technically speaking! Because the manager extensively examines your account history before accepting it. It is crucial to note, however, that there is no actual agreement that you must actively discuss or advertise them in each and every post you make.

A signature campaign is similar to product placement advertising in that the product is shown under the participant's profile through discussions in various sections of the forum without being explicitly stated. It's entirely voluntary.

[AnotherAlt]

No matter how you feel, they did hire you.

I would interrupt here. I don't feel the same here. In my opinion, My Account is my property. My profile signature space is also my property. When they accept my application means they have reviewed my profile. When I applied there meant I accepted their Campaign rules. In my opinion, Basically, they rented my signature space. I don't have to advocate for them since their Campaign rules don't say that. The only I have to do is, Maintain the post quality and reach the minimum limit.

Do you research before Apply?

I'm not sure how many signature campaigns I've participated in in the past, but I am certain that before applying, I was aware that that particular project/casino/service has been paying its signature campaign participants consistently and without fail for around a year.

Didn't do any background checks either, because most of the time, when a project is completely new, the management will escrow the first 2-4 weeks of payments, giving you some sense of security that your work will not go in vain.

I am talking about their platform legitimacy. Not their campaign legitimacy. 1xbet doesn't even use escrow, but they pay participants. They paying participants doesn't mean they are a legit platform.

[LoyceV]

I am not sure if this is the appropriate board to post this.

P.S. This thread fits better on the Meta section.

I think this belongs in Reputation, not Meta.

How much do you care about the signature that you are wearing?

I care a lot ^{(no plagiarism)}. My current signature campaign is still only the second campaign I've advertised (as LoyceV, ignoring short projects where my alt was invited). And my avatar campaign, well, the orgies are mostly safe.

Do you research the platform background, or do you examine its legitimacy?

I don't advertise anything I don't trust. And I am quite picky. That's probably why I didn't make it as a campaign manager, I've rejected almost every project that asked me to advertise their money grabbing scheme.

I saw Chip-mixer participants doing discussion on Chip-mixer thread and most of them are Chip-Mixer Signature participants.

It happens Just like I've discussed threads that have nothing to do with my signature.

[Z-tight]

I would interrupt here. I don't feel the same here. In my opinion, My Account is my property. My profile signature space is also my property. When they accept my application means they have reviewed my profile. When I applied there meant I accepted their Campaign rules. In my opinion, Basically, they rented my signature space. I don't have to advocate for them since their Campaign rules don't say that. The only I have to do is, Maintain the post quality and reach the minimum limit.

I don't feel they rented your signature space, if it happened that way it will be on your own terms and conditions, you would have been the one to make the rules, and to set the agreement and payment. You are being hired, because you are undertaking a servive for them, which is to advertise their company, in return for payment, i cannot see more to it than that.

To hire means to "obtain the services of, in return for fixed payment", isn't that what happens when you work for a signature campaign?

[KingsDen]

Do you research before Apply?

When I apply for campaigns, I do two things;

• I research the reputation of the company. I do this by checking Ann thread and the feedback of users there. Again, by checking the calibre of people applying for same campaign. If I do not see regular names there, I'll feel I'm promoting an unpopular company.
• Also, I research the longevity of the campaign. I hate promoting company that will ask you to remove avatar and signature today and wear again next week.
  
  

  Do you feel like they hired you?
  

  Yes of course. They hired me. I cannot wear the signature and avatar of Best_Change and recieve payment from the company and see where anyone is mutilating the image of the company without defending it. I defend what I believe in.

[Daniel91]

Of course I don't want to promote a scam and before I get involved in a campaign I check the basic information about the campaign and what other members of the forum say.
In recent years, I have mostly followed the same manager, whom I trust, and I only sign up for his campaigns.
There was no suspicion of fraud around his campaigns and no problem with payment.
I'm satisfied with that and my last campaign has been going on for almost 2 years, so I haven't had to think about these issues for a long time.

[Findingnemo]

Promoting a proven scam casino is not same as promoting a new startup that is why members who are promoting 1xbit got tagged but still they are allowed to post since scams are not moderated here. Anyone who is helping someone even after the company found guilty of scamming people then the people who are helping are not different from the one who are scamming.

[Shamm]

I'll participated many signature campaign in my journey here in forum I've been promoting one of the best casino before here in the forum which is bitvest I am wearing bitvest signature campaign cause I know that this casino is good and very reputable in terms of withdrawal but the issues come and i switch to other campaign and Rollbit casino ill want to promote as well because they are the best and the now even how big the withdrawal is there's no compliment and I assure they will be the best off all the best in the future.

[cheezcarls]

I’ve been into various signature campaigns since late 2017. Honestly during my early days, I was lazy to do research and just didn’t care much about the project first as I only want to get into the opportunity. The first campaign I have back then last December 2017. They are doing well back then and their token was pumping like crazy before the great Bitcoin crash.

I was too greedy that time so I only ended up cashing out $700 instead of more than $3,000 because well, greediness!!! Then I joined another signature campaign that lasted 12 weeks I think, but it was the greatest lesson I have learned in which I was not paid very well and their trading volume that time on LAToken really sucks.

However, I had to move on and continue joining campaigns. Right now, I am in good hands with the current campaign that I have in which they are one of the longest paying signature campaigns ever.

[Lucius]

I know I am not eligible for any signature campaign.

I must admit that I was surprised that no signature campaign that pays in Bitcoin accepts members with Member rank, because higher ranks do not necessarily mean higher quality posts. Certain Hero and Legendary member participating in some signature campaigns are far worse than some Member or even Jr.Member ranks. Yes, I know about the limits regarding signatures in terms of rank, this is probably the biggest obstacle why no one wants Members in campaigns, no colors in the signature and avatars are obviously not too interesting.

How much do you care about the signature that you are wearing? There are a lot of platforms promoting their business. But, Not all of them are legit. There are some scam casinos like 1xbet. But, There are a lot of bounty campaigns that offer signature campaigns. But, half of them (even more) end up scamming their participants.

I have never participated in any campaigns that paid in tokens/altcoins. Although there are some campaigns in which I wish I had not participated because they later proved to be something that turned into at least suspicious business - but it is a risk that exists with anything that any member promotes on the forum.

Do you research the platform background, or do you examine its legitimacy? I am asking this because I never played on 1xBit, and I didn't get scammed by them. Before joining their platform or signature campaign, I wouldn't know they were scammers. Not only 1xBit. What about other platforms? For example, if A new casino platform offers signature campaigns, Or an exchanger offers a signature campaign, Would you join their campaign without researching their platform? If you investigate any platform, What is the process? How do you check if they are good or bad?

Of course, it is only logical to research what you will promote, at least for someone who cares about the reputation on this forum - for those others who do not care, this approach is obviously completely meaningless. As for online casinos, those who have been in business for a long time also have a good reputation, and the problem is those new ones who have yet to earn their reputation. If you promote such a new casino you always risk that at some point it will turn into a scam, but that does not mean that you are a scammer.

Do you feel like they hired you?
When they accept your application, and you wear their signature, Do you feel like they hired you? If it sounds like a non-sense question, Here is why I am asking this: I noticed some 1xbit participants trying to defend their platform. Even there are no requirement on the campaign. I saw Chip-mixer participants doing discussion on Chip-mixer thread and most of them are Chip-Mixer Signature participants.

There is definitely a kind of business relationship between the one who participates in the signature campaign and the one who chose him to promote a service. There are terms and conditions that both parties accept and all campaigns rely more or less on similar rules or conditions. What may be strange to you is the fact that we used to think that participating in a signature campaign was primarily a privilege to promote what we believe in, and that the reward we receive is just a reward, and not a salary for some kind of full time job.

Well of course the CM participants will discuss what they are advertising, we all aim to know what is happening at any given moment, and we are here to try to answer all the questions someone asks in that thread.

[Z-tight]

I must admit that I was surprised that no signature campaign that pays in Bitcoin accepts members with Member rank, because higher ranks do not necessarily mean higher quality posts.

There are, but very rarely does it happen, every now and then you can see one or two campaigns that accept members with Member rank, but not even anywhere close in number as the campaigns that do not accept members with Member rank.

I checked a good number of pages on the services section and i could see two campaigns that used to accept Member rank, i said that in past tense because the campaigns are closed/ended, so there is no member rank campaign open for now.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5362856.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5383679.0
So OP is very well eligible for a campaign, but they have to wait for the launch of a campaign that accepts Member rank, except it is just their personal decision to rank up to full member before enrolling for a campaign.

[libert19]

I do bounties that 'appear' to be legit, sometimes right, sometimes wrong - wrong calls help you in choosing right ones more.

[qwertyup23]

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Do you research before Apply?

Generally, I do not.

The signature campaigns that I participated into can give you a brief background about the company. Mostly, signature campaigns have been started by gambling companies since their purpose is to advertise their online casino against hundreds to thousands of competitors in the market. If the campaign manager of the signature seems to be a trusted member, then there is no reason to doubt the campaign itself as the manager already did the work of background resarch.

Do you feel like they hired you?

Oh definitely! Once the campaign manager chooses you to be part of the campaign, you have this sense of responsibility to do your work and to achieve the weekly quota in order to receive payment.

But in most cases, the reason behind the advertisement goes beyond the payment. Every time I participate in these campaigns, I feel like they gave me the opportunity and privilege to work under them- like the campaign manager reviewed my post history and checked that I am qualified to represent the campaign for the period. With this, I feel like they chose and hired me for this purpose, in which I do not take for granted.

Unfortunately like you mentioned, people who applied in 1xbit campaigns are people who are just chasing around for payment. Everyone in that campaign consist of people having negative trust- like the campaign itself is plagued by spammers and untrusted people.