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June 17, 2022, 10:26:01 PM
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The fiat-based casinos may support this cause but I don't think the Cryptocurrency based casinos will, Cryptocurrency casinos are for decentralization and anonymity, they don't want to be restricted if one Cryptocurrency based casino will be implemented these gamblers can opt to transfer to other casinos that don't have this system, gamblers don't want restrictions they want to decide of their own and this self-exclusion should be optional.

There are already some cryptocurrency casinos that supports this self-exclusion program. To name some that I know:
Stake
Roobet
Duelbits
Sportsbet
livecasino

I believe there are a lot more crypto casinos that are not included on the list above and I don't think that fiat casinos and crypto casinos have so much in difference.
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June 17, 2022, 10:36:54 PM
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It is not really possible to forget about a heavy loss that one had,especially when it really involves a huge sum of money,there is no way one can forget what happened that day,Atleast even if he forgets every thing,he won't forget the amount of money he lose in a few seconds. Gambling is really something very bad,and if heavy loss does not come,it is very hard for one to change from gambling,something must happen for change to come,so when that change comes,it usually something that will trigger it,and that triggerer won't be forgotten.
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June 17, 2022, 10:40:19 PM
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I don't think a global self-exclusion would come to reality since businesses are really after their self-interest. That sounds negative but that's the harsh reality. I can already imagine the trust issue among casino operators hehe.

I also find this strategy laughable. This is like trying to stop smokers and drunkards while you continue to show them cigarettes and alcohols.

The fiat-based casinos may support this cause but I don't think the Cryptocurrency based casinos will, Cryptocurrency casinos are for decentralization and anonymity, they don't want to be restricted if one Cryptocurrency based casino will be implemented these gamblers can opt to transfer to other casinos that don't have this system, gamblers don't want restrictions they want to decide of their own and this self-exclusion should be optional.

There are already some cryptocurrency casinos that supports this self-exclusion program. To name some that I know:
Stake
Roobet
Duelbits
Sportsbet
livecasino

I believe there are a lot more crypto casinos that are not included on the list above and I don't think that fiat casinos and crypto casinos have so much in difference.
Adding Rollbit to the list.

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June 17, 2022, 11:12:34 PM
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Its really hard to stop gambling once you are heavy into it. I think to stop gambling you really need serious help to heal that and stop gambling.
Self exclusion dosent mean anything you can always move onto the next sportsbook and bet there as well or casino
Usually when you are addicted to gambling, you will prefer to keep playing in all kinds of ways until you finally reach the point where you don't have anything to sell and earn money, the final possibility is to commit a crime and earn money, betting on sports betting is safer in my opinion. instead of doing it at the casino because with sports gambling you can predict the movements of the players and opponents who competed in the previous match so you have to analyze their track record first.

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June 17, 2022, 11:49:53 PM
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The self exclusion thing is going to help someone a little, but I doubt it is going to do much. As long as they self exclude themselves with their balance locked, it would be helpful. But other than that, it makes no sense. They could self exclude themselves. Two days latter, they will want to play again, they will take their funds somewhere else. Or maybe create another account in the casino and start playing. Who is stopping them from doing those things?

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June 18, 2022, 04:08:56 AM
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Self-exclusion feature? That's just a formality to make a good reputation for the casino.It just like telling an addicted gambler to "stop gambilng" and fell to deaf ear.If they are serious,they can just banned the gambler account for like 1-2 weeks and said it's for the prevention of addiction.
But it could be a new program implemented in the casino. But as for the application, I don't think it will be easy because as you said, it will not make addicted gamblers stop as easy as they would like. But the question is how the casino will know if a gambler is addicted because if you look at the time spent, many other gamblers also spend a lot of time playing gambling. Maybe we're better off waiting for the latest updates from those who've tried using it so we can know what's going on.
I assume that the point is not to make them stop completely, because you can't do that, even if you do that with one casino, they could go to another casino and that is why it is not just about making it completely impossible for them to gamble. It is just making it a bit harder for them to gamble the way they do.

Like for example if you are addicted, many psychologists suggest changing your routine, saying things like "go for a walk" is not good because you are walking, it is good because you are doing something that you normally do not do, the walking part is just an example there, plus it is healthy so you know, win-win. Same here, if you gamble at one place the same way for years, and then can't, even if you switch up somewhere else, it would make it harder for you, hence maybe give you a small tiny chance of quitting all together.
Yes, that's correct. Keeping gamblers playing will give the casino a huge advantage, especially if it has many members. So if casinos implement the new program, which is supposed to prevent gamblers from controlling their money and time, it won't be easy because casinos already have something that can keep gamblers back. In this case, the casinos have tried to comply with the wishes of the regulators but on the other hand, the casinos are also trying to take advantage of their place. Gamblers should pay attention to this because if they don't have something that can keep them from gambling non-stop will surely be dragged deeper and the program will not work.

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June 18, 2022, 04:45:18 AM
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The self exclusion thing is going to help someone a little, but I doubt it is going to do much. As long as they self exclude themselves with their balance locked, it would be helpful. But other than that, it makes no sense. They could self exclude themselves. Two days latter, they will want to play again, they will take their funds somewhere else. Or maybe create another account in the casino and start playing. Who is stopping them from doing those things?
Yeah, I have read some casinos they're have week self excluded system. I don't know the reason behind this, but if the user didn't using VPN to create another account, then it's seems the casino were allow him to play again, though I don't know the specific rules how long the self exclude will last. Not to mention they can play in another casino lol, it's really easy.

The one who stopping from those thing is the gambler itself with the help of professional.
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June 18, 2022, 05:57:30 AM
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The self exclusion thing is going to help someone a little, but I doubt it is going to do much. As long as they self exclude themselves with their balance locked, it would be helpful. But other than that, it makes no sense. They could self exclude themselves. Two days latter, they will want to play again, they will take their funds somewhere else. Or maybe create another account in the casino and start playing. Who is stopping them from doing those things?
Yeah, I have read some casinos they're have week self excluded system. I don't know the reason behind this, but if the user didn't using VPN to create another account, then it's seems the casino were allow him to play again, though I don't know the specific rules how long the self exclude will last. Not to mention they can play in another casino lol, it's really easy.

The one who stopping from those thing is the gambler itself with the help of professional.
The self exclusion service isn't available with every gambling platform. With Stake the self exclusion can be done contacting the support team. The team will exclude from gambling. Later when required the person himself can contact the team and continue gambling. In all aspects of gambling risk is there and it is our responsibility to have self control. Taking a break when one feels to be more addictive or into loss is a good thing.

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June 18, 2022, 06:33:54 AM
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The self exclusion thing is going to help someone a little, but I doubt it is going to do much. As long as they self exclude themselves with their balance locked, it would be helpful. But other than that, it makes no sense. They could self exclude themselves. Two days latter, they will want to play again, they will take their funds somewhere else. Or maybe create another account in the casino and start playing. Who is stopping them from doing those things?
Yeah, I have read some casinos they're have week self excluded system. I don't know the reason behind this, but if the user didn't using VPN to create another account, then it's seems the casino were allow him to play again, though I don't know the specific rules how long the self exclude will last. Not to mention they can play in another casino lol, it's really easy.

The one who stopping from those thing is the gambler itself with the help of professional.
The self exclusion service isn't available with every gambling platform. With Stake the self exclusion can be done contacting the support team. The team will exclude from gambling. Later when required the person himself can contact the team and continue gambling. In all aspects of gambling risk is there and it is our responsibility to have self control. Taking a break when one feels to be more addictive or into loss is a good thing.

This self-exclusion has become an issue in many casinos, they are charged with being late implementing this feature, and some gamblers who have no control of their activity are making a big issue of this feature, self-exclusion should be on one's self not putting the pressure on casinos then blame them if they are not served immediately that is why some casinos are not adopting it because some gamblers are exploiting and use it to accuse the casinos.

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June 18, 2022, 07:28:01 AM
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This self-exclusion has become an issue in many casinos, they are charged with being late implementing this feature, and some gamblers who have no control of their activity are making a big issue of this feature, self-exclusion should be on one's self not putting the pressure on casinos then blame them if they are not served immediately that is why some casinos are not adopting it because some gamblers are exploiting and use it to accuse the casinos.
Yeah, I've seen it lately that there were gamblers that have problem with it and honestly, it's a helpful feature for those that are truly addicted now.

And in the first place, they shouldn't gamble if they're experiencing extreme addiction. Well, if you really are in a tough situation and you don't want to do and you can't think well, you'll just have to look for someone to blame for.

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June 18, 2022, 07:51:35 AM
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In my opinion, such a tool will not solve the problem of gambling addiction. 

Gambling is caused by internal problems of a person.  For example, a person has a boring and uninteresting life, so he spends all his time and money exclusively on gambling.  If he self-limits himself in gambling, then the problem will not disappear anywhere. 

Because his life will still remain boring and uninteresting. 

Players need to be encouraged to live a real life - walk in nature, play sports, go to theaters and concerts, meet girls and have sex with them.

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June 18, 2022, 08:06:15 AM
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Having this kind of tool in every online casino is really helpful but the main challenge is the people involved.  Are they willing to participate in the program?  That is the main issue unless Casino will cooperate and force implement this procedure to their players which is highly unlikely.  Aside from that this is still in the experimental stage so it is too early to say that this kind of tool will solve the gambling problem that had been in the industry since the beginning.  I think it will help but it won't make the gambling problem a thing of the past. So what do you think about this article's claim?

I think this is the right approach but might not work in the long run. The first time I saw the self exclusion program was in a poker App that added a panic button. Clicking it you could log yourself out of the game for 24h, 7d or 30 days. I never used it myself or heard from friends using it, but if you lose big time and are afraid to make a rash decision it could be a good idea to lock yourself out. The problem is that this is only for one casino and even if you locked out for 30 days, you could just go and sign up on a new website. For this to be efficient it would mean that all the casinos work together and you can't gamble anywhere else. Such a database with all the gamblers who are afraid to be addicted would also be a security risk if someone gets access to it. The percentage of people who are struggling with gambling is relatively small compared to the large number of gamblers who only play for fun from time to time. Nonetheless gambling addiction is a serious illness and casinos should do more to protect the gamblers who are struggling with.
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June 18, 2022, 08:31:09 AM
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This is a great move only if it will have a good effect on the gambling world. There had been making gambling problems gambler had be facing for long now and I think there should be a way out to it. It is more easier when a gambler could recognize his or her weakness than those ones can are not conscious of what thier weakness could be. The gambling problem looking at it from addiction, poor control of fund, urge to gamble more etc need to be addressed to reduce the later effect on gamblers.

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June 18, 2022, 08:59:13 AM
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All in all, self-exclusion is about the player's initiative to undergo the process.  As stated by the several replies, there should be a personal admission that he is having a gambling problem but before that, the player must identify that he is having a gambling problem. 
It isn't easy for a player to identify that he has a gambling problem, so the initial steps are already a problem.  This can be solved by attending seminars and reading online guidelines or talking to medical experts on gambling addiction.  Another hassle step for the player.  So the question here is if the player does not recognize that he is already having signs of gambling addiction, the self-exclusion tool is basically useless.
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It isn't easy for a player to identify that he has a gambling problem, so the initial steps are already a problem.  This can be solved by attending seminars and reading online guidelines or talking to medical experts on gambling addiction. 
Attending seminars and reading online guide isn't a correct way to know if you're an addict or not, because self diagnostic can gone wrong. A mental issues always need to seek medical expert since you don't actually know what's your problem. Someone can diagnosis he's a bipolar since his mood can swing very fast from sad to happy, but the fact he's just in his mind and he's literally normal person. Even he already know he's an addict, he will not actually follow the self exclusion feature since he always want to keep gambling.

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June 18, 2022, 11:36:44 AM
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In my opinion, such a tool will not solve the problem of gambling addiction. 

Gambling is caused by internal problems of a person.  For example, a person has a boring and uninteresting life, so he spends all his time and money exclusively on gambling.  If he self-limits himself in gambling, then the problem will not disappear anywhere. 

Because his life will still remain boring and uninteresting. 

Players need to be encouraged to live a real life - walk in nature, play sports, go to theaters and concerts, meet girls and have sex with them.

The tool will work for responsible gamblers but for addicted, it will be ignored, why would they use a tool that will deprive them of something that will satisfy their inner needs, even if you keep reminding people of the self-exclusion feature of your casino, it will be ignored by the majority of gamblers, in fact, some gamblers are making an issue out of it, its better to have this feature but it will not the kind of tool that will save many gamblers from getting addicted.
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June 18, 2022, 01:20:20 PM
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When I saw the title of the thread, I thought it was a joke. Reading it, I see that it makes some sense but it won't completely solve the problem. Self-exclusion features have been around for a long time and implementing them globally I think would go a long way to reducing the problem, but there will always be those who, even if they self-exclude and can't play in legal casinos, will end up going to illegal games and losing everything.

The sad thing is that ideally, people should have enough self-control not to have to exclude themselves.

In my opinion, such a tool will not solve the problem of gambling addiction. 

Gambling is caused by internal problems of a person.  For example, a person has a boring and uninteresting life, so he spends all his time and money exclusively on gambling.  If he self-limits himself in gambling, then the problem will not disappear anywhere. 

I think you are right and that the person will externalise the problems in another way. In addiction to alcohol, drugs or sex, for example.

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When I saw the title of the thread, I thought it was a joke. Reading it, I see that it makes some sense but it won't completely solve the problem. Self-exclusion features have been around for a long time and implementing them globally I think would go a long way to reducing the problem, but there will always be those who, even if they self-exclude and can't play in legal casinos, will end up going to illegal games and losing everything.

The sad thing is that ideally, people should have enough self-control not to have to exclude themselves.

In my opinion, such a tool will not solve the problem of gambling addiction. 

Gambling is caused by internal problems of a person.  For example, a person has a boring and uninteresting life, so he spends all his time and money exclusively on gambling.  If he self-limits himself in gambling, then the problem will not disappear anywhere. 

I think you are right and that the person will externalise the problems in another way. In addiction to alcohol, drugs or sex, for example.
I do not know the country you come from, but mostly or nearly all countries, I even think even presently in all countries, no strict laws to know if a gambler in a gambling platform can be known on other gambling platforms, so the gamblers can resort to just gambling on other sites, or sites that are not well known as long as gambling that are even legit are still accessible. If the gambler can not gamble on other legit gambling platforms, but which I do not think is possible because they are many legit gambling platforms, he can then resort to just go the illegal way but which I do not think will happen as there are many other sites that are legit to go for.

Some people can have an interesting life and become addicted to gambling, so people can become addicted because they do not have job, thinking they can turn little to many through gambling, some people become addicted because they are thinking of gambling like they can be smarted and win more than lose, but they will later realize that and addiction become their problem. There are people that live a boring life and become addicted as there are people that live a lively life and also become addicted. There are people that live a boring life and never even thought of gambling.

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The fiat-based casinos may support this cause but I don't think the Cryptocurrency based casinos will, Cryptocurrency casinos are for decentralization and anonymity, they don't want to be restricted if one Cryptocurrency based casino will be implemented these gamblers can opt to transfer to other casinos that don't have this system, gamblers don't want restrictions they want to decide of their own and this self-exclusion should be optional.

There are already some cryptocurrency casinos that supports this self-exclusion program. To name some that I know:
Stake
Roobet
Duelbits
Sportsbet
livecasino

I believe there are a lot more crypto casinos that are not included on the list above and I don't think that fiat casinos and crypto casinos have so much in difference.
There are in fact many casinos which offer a way to self-exclude yourself from their website, but we know that you can open another account in yet another casino and keep gambling that way, however it seems some people want to create a global system in which a casino player can not only self-exclude from the casinos in which they are playing but in any other which belongs to the program, and while interesting those which are addicted will do everything they can to keep gambling so something like this will probably be ineffective.
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Gambling problems have been around as long as mankind has been alive. now everything is going digital, but let's not forget that people used to bet on large scale and that even entire household effects and women were used to win. Sometimes with all that entails. We have to accept that gambling problems are part of society and that it is something that will always exist and people have to learn to deal with that if it hasn't already happened.

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