[List]Gambling Board Spammers; Concerns, Solutions & Suggestions

[Apocollapse]

Gambling websites should be interested in promoting talks about real gambling, about their odds, about their winning, and not fan talk about Lewandowski going to Barcelona for $50m, so this requirement would be in their interests.

First I'm not really fan of football, I'm fan of MMA fight.

As you're talking about transfer prediction, I think that's what the purpose of this thread ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions, I don't understand why the OP put odds on the subject title, is there any casino have an event in betting which player successfully transfer to x club? lol.

You're correct there's almost no relation between discussing about player transfer and the casino, I think many users also talking about player transfer on each thread where the league belong, isn't?

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[Igebotz]

Gambling websites should be interested in promoting talks about real gambling, about their odds, about their winning, and not fan talk about Lewandowski going to Barcelona for $50m, so this requirement would be in their interests.

You're correct there's almost no relation between discussing about player transfer and the casino, I think many users also talking about player transfer on each thread where the league belong, isn't?

Discussing player transfers and availability played a bit role in predicting the outcome of a game, these discussion are somewhat necessary at some point. Before I put up a bet, I first try to check the latest news and discussions about those clubs H2H, injuries, and players, so it's easier for use if we have some discussion as regard those games in the thread so. Before placing a bet, one does not need to look any further.

The problem has been shitposters with false information trying to compete post count.

[Welsh]

is there any casino have an event in betting which player successfully transfer to x club? lol.

Sometimes, yeah. There's also managers to be sacked first, and all sorts of different odds the bookies put out. Although, Bitcoin bookies are a little behind on this front, as it's a little more common with fiat based ones. Almost every major fiat one has this sort of bets you can make.

The problem has been shitposters with false information trying to compete post count.

Yeah, it's the real problem in the gambling section at the moment. Basically, from a first glance it looks like they've actually written a lot about the subject, but in reality they're completely vague in what they're saying, almost like they don't actually watch the sport at all, and like others have suggested just doing it for their sig quota.

I've just got a better performing machine, so I'm hoping to start reporting in that section, and getting it somewhat sorted out. Although, I'm away pretty soon so it'll be after that most likely.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I don’t think it’s any worse than Bitcoin Discussion, Speculation or even Meta. I mean how many threads are started in Meta about Merit? The same nonsense, poor English written, threads about Merit? I must have seen hundreds over the years.

Bitcoin Discussion has been a cesspool of shit-posting for years. My advice is just report what you consider to be low quality posting. I don’t think it’s a big deal, there are hundreds of shit posters on the forum. Spammers, scammers, broken English all over the place.

Just report low quality and/or spam posts.

[coolcoinz]

First I'm not really fan of football, I'm fan of MMA fight.

The MMA thread is also pretty long.
To be clear, I've posted more than once in the MMA thread and don't see a problem with it. These threads are made in such way that every time a new event takes place people post their opinions and compare the participants. An alternative would be a new thread for each match like they do with boxing. I actually think it's odd that there's one big MMA thread, but boxing usually is divided between individual fights and people don't see a problem with it because these threads are shorter.

I don’t think it’s any worse than Bitcoin Discussion, Speculation or even Meta. I mean how many threads are started in Meta about Merit? The same nonsense, poor English written, threads about Merit? I must have seen hundreds over the years.

Bitcoin Discussion has been a cesspool of shit-posting for years. My advice is just report what you consider to be low quality posting. I don’t think it’s a big deal, there are hundreds of shit posters on the forum. Spammers, scammers, broken English all over the place.

Just report low quality and/or spam posts.

I agree. It's not the threads that should be the target of this rant but individual posters - spammers.
The easiest way to stop this would be to make managers kick people reported for constant spam in these threads, but that can only be done to an extent because 1xbit spammers are the worst and they aren't getting kicked out of their campaign anytime soon...

[theskillzdatklls]

I don’t think it’s any worse than Bitcoin Discussion, Speculation or even Meta. I mean how many threads are started in Meta about Merit? The same nonsense, poor English written, threads about Merit? I must have seen hundreds over the years.

Bitcoin Discussion has been a cesspool of shit-posting for years. My advice is just report what you consider to be low quality posting. I don’t think it’s a big deal, there are hundreds of shit posters on the forum. Spammers, scammers, broken English all over the place.

Just report low quality and/or spam posts.

This is my exact feeling all around BitcoinTalk that I came to express here. This whole forum is becoming a broken low IQ shitshow. Perpetuated by these signature give-aways.

Anywhere there is a way on the internet to make 5c in crypto doing a boring task ever since 2018, be that a faucet, a P2E game, blogging, or even posting on BitcoinTalk, a hoard of people from Nigeria, Indonesia, the Philippines etc jump into the mix and type total nonsense broken English low IQ brain dead bullshit. They have no sense of community, they don't care about what they are writing about, they don't want to be here, they just want their 5 cents and would leave in a split second if that 5c trophy were taken away.

It makes anything completely unreadable on this entire forum. I'm trying to find anything remotely interesting anywhere. Instead I see low IQ thread titles with low IQ posting that doesn't make any sense everywhere. Always from these gambling-ad people. A guy with a lot of history on this forum recently had one of the most brain dead takes of all time where I was posting recently, it was so bad I swear it almost caused me whiplash. This is only possible for the above reasons.

My only solution would be a very harsh one. Ban either the signature campaign stuff and/or the gambling logo/signature stuff. I'd happily give up mine but I'm also not paid for it nor do I care. I'm just here for the content.

I do think such an action would hugely lower interactivity on the forum, but I think the ends would justify the means, especially when that interactivity is just useless fluff making things shitty in the first place. It makes honest users like myself completely incapable of doing anything here.


Mildly shilly (apologies in advance) but I have to post it anyway, but MintDice actually wrote an article detailing this exact problem, what causes it, what it looks like and how to fix it with real world examples. Perhaps worth a read:
https://www.mintdice.com/blog/the-failure-of-monetizing-social-media-blockchains

[JeromeTash]

I don’t think it’s any worse than Bitcoin Discussion, Speculation or even Meta. I mean how many threads are started in Meta about Merit? The same nonsense, poor English written, threads about Merit? I must have seen hundreds over the years.

Bitcoin Discussion has been a cesspool of shit-posting for years. My advice is just report what you consider to be low quality posting. I don’t think it’s a big deal, there are hundreds of shit posters on the forum. Spammers, scammers, broken English all over the place.

Just report low quality and/or spam posts.

Spot on, you haven't even mentioned the altcoin boards, it's a complete shitshow there. Once in a while, when I come across low quality posts, I try to report them, I believe it's the right thing to do. Complaining about the whole board here in Meta won't help unless if one is trying to suggest that the admin remove the whole board from the forum.

If signatures or signature advertising are banned, trust me, this forum will go to its lowest activity in years. Not a good thing for bitcoin adoption, is it?
I have seen so many businesses thrive after advertising themselves here.

[Welsh]

If signatures or signature advertising are banned, trust me, this forum will go to its lowest activity in years. Not a good thing for bitcoin adoption, is it?
I have seen so many businesses thrive after advertising themselves here.

I imagine some users quite like the idea of a tight knitted community like it was back in the old days. However, in reality there's always been complaints about the state of the forum. I'm not trying to discredit that either, there's clearly some issues here, especially in the altcoin section. However, we do have a set of dedicated reporters that try to clear that place up as much as possible, and a dedicated bunch of moderators, and I don't mean the section dedicated, but the entire team from global, dedicated, and patrollers clearing up that section.

I've literally removed pages upon pages in a matter of a few hours at times. Although, I must say that most of the reports we have, were from posts that were around the 2018 mark. So, while we do still have spam now, it's either much less seen or in reduced quantities since we have a few users that report, and they all report older posts rather than newer posts.

I think the gambling section especially has a current problem, which is ongoing though. Most of the spam can be seen in the mega threads over there. Where as the altcoin section is more thread dependant, i.e those that used bumping services or promised the earth, and therefore generated a lot of hype.

The issue with the gambling section is; you need multiple moderators who watch these sports, since as I mentioned, and a few others a lot of users are just talking vaguely about things, and therefore for someone who might not be into the sport themselves, it doesn't appear like anything is amiss. So, you need basically multiple moderators covering different threads or you need a dedicated effort of community reporting.

[theskillzdatklls]

Yeah, that's the thing. I'm quite used to this stuff on other places. It's not spam in the traditional sense. It's low-IQ dribble inspired by the thought to make pennies inspired by not getting banned. So they type out things in an effort to not get banned but it also makes no sense, isn't provocative, isn't intelligent, isn't anything really. They really skirt right up to the line of what is spam and what isn't spam into this grey area. They don't go further either because they can't or it serves no purpose. And they don't go less so they don't get banned.

It's true it will never be like the old days. Some things die. Forums are dead in favor of things like Reddit which are some of the worst things on the internet to me. I guess the philosophical question is at that point how you want it to die. A death of low interactivity or a death of spammers. And personally, I'd rather not let the spammers win.

I can't report anything because I'd just report entire threads lol. These people are like weeds.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

We can fill pages of threads like this all we want but I think we should start by deleting reported posts that are blatantly rubbish.

A few days ago I reported this post because he was asking me about things I had said in just the post immediately above, so he hadn't read what I had written. The report is unhandled, I'd say, or bad, I can't see my history yet, but I'm pretty sure it's unhandled. The thing is, his post hasn't been deleted.

Now I've just reported another one from the same user.

ops this is nice story and I was able to feel it.  After hearing your words, I can now see a beautiful girl next to me when I close my eyes   I can make a prediction that. here my balance $10 to $500 and there my beautiful wife age 20 to 50 and my beautiful wife will become an old woman   no no no I don't want that much money.  I want a young girl................

I once had posts deleted that made more sense than this.

If posts like these are not acted upon, the gambling section will remain a big pile of rubbish.

[coinerer]

We can fill pages of threads like this all we want but I think we should start by deleting reported posts that are blatantly rubbish.

A few days ago I reported this post because he was asking me about things I had said in just the post immediately above, so he hadn't read what I had written. The report is unhandled, I'd say, or bad, I can't see my history yet, but I'm pretty sure it's unhandled. The thing is, his post hasn't been deleted.

Now I've just reported another one from the same user.

ops this is nice story and I was able to feel it.  After hearing your words, I can now see a beautiful girl next to me when I close my eyes   I can make a prediction that. here my balance $10 to $500 and there my beautiful wife age 20 to 50 and my beautiful wife will become an old woman   no no no I don't want that much money.  I want a young girl................

I once had posts deleted that made more sense than this.

If posts like these are not acted upon, the gambling section will remain a big pile of rubbish.

A user made a comment about me and said something funny to me.  I jokingly gave him a reply.  Which is my fault here?  Gambling is a fun thing there is a different fun thing going on it's smart to enjoy it which some over smart people like you don't understand. I'm not here to argue with you but one thing to say don't interrupt anyone's entertainment

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I'm not here to argue with you <...>

Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta.

A user made a comment about me and said something funny to me.  I jokingly gave him a reply.  Which is my fault here? 

The difference is that this user's joke is understood and what you say is the rubbish, like you usually write. As in the first post I reported, where you asked me:

Wow great and congratulations. did you used your spin already? How many dollars have you won from here?  And does it work really well.  And is using these spins enough for someone to win a big prize? i have some free spin but i didn’t use it yet Because I did not believe that anything good could be gained from it. <...>

In other words, the typical rubbish that people in this thread have been discussing for 7 pages how to get rid of. Just in the previous post I had said:

This week I was one of the winners of 125 spins, in this case in the wanted Dead or a Wild game.

<...>

I had been playing roulette and blackjack in the casino, I'm not so much a slots player, and I didn't quite understand how I was getting the prizes. The good thing is that instead of clicking on each spin I saw that you could set automatic spins of 10, 25 or 50 and it went faster. At one point I got a bonus of 10 spins from another slot, which I also played. I also liked the presentation and the music.

But I have been unlucky short term. With an RTP of 96%, on the value of 25 USD in spins, I won about 8 USD, that is negative variance for me.

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Come on, go back to the gambling section and keep on spamming with the rubbish you write. It seems the moderators won't delete your posts.

[Igebotz]

We can fill pages of threads like this all we want but I think we should start by deleting reported posts that are blatantly rubbish.

A few days ago I reported this post because he was asking me about things I had said in just the post immediately above, so he hadn't read what I had written. The report is unhandled, I'd say, or bad, I can't see my history yet, but I'm pretty sure it's unhandled. The thing is, his post hasn't been deleted.

A user made a comment about me and said something funny to me.  I jokingly gave him a reply.  Which is my fault here?  Gambling is a fun thing there is a different fun thing going on it's smart to enjoy it which some over smart people like you don't understand. I'm not here to argue with you but one thing to say don't interrupt anyone's entertainment

I just checked your post history in the gambling section and it's a bunch of garbage, it's either a 2 liner nonsense or you're on a bookmaker thread looking for free spins, I've known most Stake signature participants to be huge spammers because most of the accounts in that campaign are alt anyways. If I were your manager, you wouldn't get paid for those posts. I haven't seen your posts in the gambling section because we post in a completely different thread. This isn't Facebook or Twitter, so two-line jokes aren't appropriate. You are capable of doing better.

[coinerer]

We can fill pages of threads like this all we want but I think we should start by deleting reported posts that are blatantly rubbish.

A few days ago I reported this post because he was asking me about things I had said in just the post immediately above, so he hadn't read what I had written. The report is unhandled, I'd say, or bad, I can't see my history yet, but I'm pretty sure it's unhandled. The thing is, his post hasn't been deleted.

A user made a comment about me and said something funny to me.  I jokingly gave him a reply.  Which is my fault here?  Gambling is a fun thing there is a different fun thing going on it's smart to enjoy it which some over smart people like you don't understand. I'm not here to argue with you but one thing to say don't interrupt anyone's entertainment

I just checked your post history in the gambling section and it's a bunch of garbage, it's either a 2 liner nonsense or you're on a bookmaker thread looking for free spins, I've known most Stake signature participants to be huge spammers because most of the accounts in that campaign are alt anyways. If I were your manager, you wouldn't get paid for those posts. I haven't seen your posts in the gambling section because we post in a completely different thread. This isn't Facebook or Twitter, so two-line jokes aren't appropriate. You are capable of doing better.

I appreciate it if someone finds out my mistakes and enlightens me and I always try to avoid those mistakes.  You are a knowledgeable member of this forum so if you feel that my post quality needs to be improved and I am able to do it then I will definitely try my best to do it.  Thank you very much for advising me.

[indah rezqi]

This isn't Facebook or Twitter, so two-line jokes aren't appropriate.

Not all long posts can really be considered quality posts, but there are times when short posts have good substance on the topic of discussion which can then be considered quality. I don't think it's a problem, but if it's written for something pointless then I'm sure it's just spam worth reporting.

I believe forum give us all the right to free speech, but if users aren't doing it for something useful and their posts are off-topic, then the report to moderator feature would be very useful.

The issue with the gambling section is; you need multiple moderators who watch these sports,

You're right about this but I don't think they have to stay in front of the TV watching match after match which the fans discuss exclusively. Honestly that I watch a lot of football matches for various domestic leagues to keep my reply on topic, but that won't stop people from saying it's a bad post.

Even if this actually won't solve the problem, some of these things will reduce spam on the gambling board:
1. Thread with 1000 pages no longer display signature.
2. Campaign manager no longer counts posts on thread that are more than 25 page (mega thread).

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I just checked your post history in the gambling section and it's a bunch of garbage, it's either a 2 liner nonsense or you're on a bookmaker thread looking for free spins, I've known most Stake signature participants to be huge spammers because most of the accounts in that campaign are alt anyways. If I were your manager, you wouldn't get paid for those posts. I haven't seen your posts in the gambling section because we post in a completely different thread. This isn't Facebook or Twitter, so two-line jokes aren't appropriate. You are capable of doing better.

I agree but the thing is, the moderators for some unknown reason, don't share this perception. I have two reports about him still in unhandled and it's been too long for the moderators to have seen them, so I understand that for some reason they have decided not to act. I could go through his post history and report all the ones I see that are rubbish, which is not all of them, as some of them are not bad, but given the experience with these two reports it would be a waste of time. I think I'm going to put him in my ignore list and that's it, I don't want to see rubbish that the moderators won't delete if I report it.

[Apocollapse]

First I'm not really fan of football, I'm fan of MMA fight.

The MMA thread is also pretty long.
To be clear, I've posted more than once in the MMA thread and don't see a problem with it. These threads are made in such way that every time a new event takes place people post their opinions and compare the participants. An alternative would be a new thread for each match like they do with boxing. I actually think it's odd that there's one big MMA thread, but boxing usually is divided between individual fights and people don't see a problem with it because these threads are shorter.

Dude, I'm not talking about if the thread is long or short, but I'm talking about a particular interest of the discussion. In MMA thread you wouldn't see people are just discuss about a fighter who doesn't related with gambling or the event, most of them talk about their prediction, odds and the result of the fight.

I think people who're a MMA fan already fine with one thread only, most of people are interested on UFC, if you look on the other MMA events only few users discuss about it.

Even if this actually won't solve the problem, some of these things will reduce spam on the gambling board:
1. Thread with 1000 pages no longer display signature.
2. Campaign manager no longer counts posts on thread that are more than 25 page (mega thread).

I looked on your post history and I see you're mostly post on football thread where it's already over 1000+ pages there.
Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023
La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23
Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A)

Since you're saying spammer is a user who make post on 1000+ pages, can we say you're a spammer too?

[_BlackStar]

I think I'm going to put him in my ignore list and that's it, I don't want to see rubbish that the moderators won't delete if I report it.

Moderators have an interpretation when it comes to judging posts that are worth deleting or not, even if you are willing to report them, it doesn't mean they will delete them all. I have 9 bad reports, some of them due to multiple reports ^{[me and another user reported the same post]} where the first report was marked good and the second report was marked bad. Some of my reports were not considered good because they thought they were bad reports, I don't want to argue how they decided to mark them and handle that.

I can even tell you that so far I have 160+ reports not handled by moderators and I think 90% of them are on gambling board. I never want to be pushy about why it's not being addressed, but I think I should only report it when I find something worth reporting. Anything you think is good to report, then report it instead of ignoring that user.

[indah rezqi]

Since you're saying spammer is a user who make post on 1000+ pages, can we say you're a spammer too?

Spam is posts that are useless for discussion and are usually off-topic regardless of what purpose they are made for. Spam also doesn't depend on how many pages the thread is if you really have something really factual to talk about and obviously post quality is something that counts, but since thread with 1000+ page are often considered a convenient place for spammers, then I think it makes sense for me to get it in the suggestions.

You can say I'm a spammer, that's your right, but if you really believe that I am a spammer what you mean. But I hope you don't neglect this one. 

Honestly that I watch a lot of football matches for various domestic leagues to keep my reply on topic, but that won't stop people from saying it's a bad post.

[stompix]

I just checked your post history in the gambling section and it's a bunch of garbage, it's either a 2 liner nonsense or you're on a bookmaker thread looking for free spins, I've known most Stake signature participants to be huge spammers because most of the accounts in that campaign are alt anyways. If I were your manager, you wouldn't get paid for those posts. I haven't seen your posts in the gambling section because we post in a completely different thread. This isn't Facebook or Twitter, so two-line jokes aren't appropriate. You are capable of doing better.

What do you mean, isn't this a totally legit, insightful, much prediction, such knowledge post?
I just picked the last one, not going to waste one more second on his history

Marcus Rashford has already given Westham United a goal in the 38th minute for Manchester United. There is still half time to play.  In the remaining half if Manchester United goalkeeper is able to stop the balls coming towards them and if Manchester United's other players are able to pass the ball well and give Westham United another goal then they will surely win today.

Just look, Manchester is leading, and if Westham doesn't score but Manchester scores again, ...ta-dada... Manchester will win!
It's a bulletproof prediction, if the score ends 2-0, the team with two goals scored will win, I bet none of the veteran gambles could come up with this.

Spam is posts that are useless for discussion and are usually off-topic regardless of what purpose they are made for.

Spam means garbage like this:

So far Napoli are unbeaten, convincing as one of the title challengers, but the fact is they have not been able to win the Scudetto in many different seasons despite their good performances. It's only about 12 match, there are 26 more match that will await them and I think they will also have other focuses like the Champions League or the Italian Cup

Arsenal are 0-1 behind PSV, but Arsenal are the favorites in this match.
I don't mind saying Arsenal were better in the game even though at the moment they are struggling to score goals. It's not right to say they will lose before the game ends, so I think there will be a goal back from Arsenal soon.

This is not even the fanboy stuff I was mentioning early in this thread, this is just you mentioning the obvious, one looks at the score, sees that this team leads and that's one "gambling" post, I actually went over your post and looked after keyword, guess what, you only twice mentioned actually odds for a game result but just mentioned them.

Now, the pretty weird stuff, I clearly remembered I replied to the below two quotes but god knows what happened, I might have forgotten to hit post (!?) as I don't have any deleted replies either. So in short and sorry for the late replies:

Discussing player transfers and availability played a bit role in predicting the outcome of a game, these discussion are somewhat necessary at some point. Before I put up a bet, I first try to check the latest news and discussions about those clubs H2H, injuries, and players, so it's easier for use if we have some discussion as regard those games in the thread so. Before placing a bet, one does not need to look any further.

Totally agree on this, things like this are important, but if you're posting stuff like "Mbappe is not playing so things might be difficult for PSG" without bothering to make any kind of prediction, this is not gambling talk, this is fanboy gossip and copy pasting newsline headers. I don't think that if a top player is either suspended or injured someone needs to mention this three times in a row in a topic when obviously all the gamblers are aware of it and some others have done it five times already.

You're correct there's almost no relation between discussing about player transfer and the casino, I think many users also talking about player transfer on each thread where the league belong, isn't?

They do so just to make it look like they've done some research and to increase the number of lines in their post.
Since it's hard to get away with just mentioning the victories of a team before the match they add a bit of flavoring to look like they are really interested and up to date with what's happening there, stupid things like x have scored x times so maybe he will score again, phrases empty of any substance that are simply just useless for a prediction.