[List]Gambling Board Spammers; Concerns, Solutions & Suggestions

[LTU_btc]

There is too many topics abiut Bundesliga. I do all my Bundesliga writing in the pool topic and I am doing the same for all major leagues.

I belive that discussion there is the best possible since those are actually people that are willing to gamble money and not just spam the boards. So we actually already have those moderated threads and when you remove spammers and those in the pools you are left with almost no audiance.

Yeah, I also already gave up with main topics of leagues, it's impossible to have constructive discussion there. I only post in pool topics and for UEFA cups I use self-moderated topics made by @buwaytress. But there isn't much activity, probably spammers afraid that their posts will get removed.

Is there a good paid streaming platform where I can watch games?

There is services like DAZN, but it's not cheap and you will need good VPN to use it. Alternatively, you can try some IPTV services, it's not expensive and have all main sports channels.

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[AverageGlabella]

They must be alt accounts communicating to each other because I have tried to have a conversation there and they just skip over your reply and continue quoting the same members as before. I am sure that some of them are doing this to abuse signature campaigns but I do not know how I would prove it. Would it be enough to show that they quote the same 2/3 members and have been doing that for weeks?

I am not sure how the campaign managers see this happening and are willing to pay them. They are having conversations with them selves and no one is reading it because it is obvious and they are destroying the topics for other people.

[Igebotz]

They must be alt accounts communicating to each other because I have tried to have a conversation there and they just skip over your reply and continue quoting the same members as before. I am sure that some of them are doing this to abuse signature campaigns but I do not know how I would prove it. Would it be enough to show that they quote the same 2/3 members and have been doing that for weeks?

I am not sure how the campaign managers see this happening and are willing to pay them. They are having conversations with them selves and no one is reading it because it is obvious and they are destroying the topics for other people.

As long as the conversation is helpful and relevant, there is nothing wrong with having a discussion with a select group of members alone on a thread. For a while, only JollyGood and I participated in the discussion on this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275303.520.

Is there a good paid streaming platform where I can watch games?

There is services like DAZN, but it's not cheap and you will need good VPN to use it. Alternatively, you can try some IPTV services, it's not expensive and have all main sports channels.

Thanks I will check them out.

[skarais]

They must be alt accounts communicating to each other because I have tried to have a conversation there and they just skip over your reply and continue quoting the same members as before. I am sure that some of them are doing this to abuse signature campaigns but I do not know how I would prove it. Would it be enough to show that they quote the same 2/3 members and have been doing that for weeks?

You're probably worrying too much about the posting patterns and habits of other users on that board, and basically I think every user has their own patterns and habits because anyone is free to quote anyone's post including yours unless they ignore yours. Quoting the same user's post every day may be habit nature when they find it important and enjoyable, and I don't think this proves anything that both are alt.

Meanwhile I ignored dozens post of 1xbit participants on the gambling board, so the number of posters I will encounter there must be less than before. This allows me to find similar posters in threads so my chances of quoting their posts are higher.

[buwaytress]

@bullrunbro2020

Now I don't have much time these days, I still report posts from time to time, but usually only when I come across them. But with the restart of UEFA contests, I also saw myself getting pinged in my moderated threads, one user specifically mentioning what you said: the active threads are filled with spam. So I went to the bigger, more active Champions League page and the user was right, full of spam.

I reported posts from 3 users. 1 of which I decided to open up post history, and found that yup, they were posting spam across gambling. I reported all their posts for the day.

The result? My first reported post was marked Bad. That was only my 3rd "bad" report of my forum lifetime! But 4/5 of the others from the same users were deleted, one remained unhandled. The other 2 users were left unhandled.

I reported another 8 posts from 8 different users in 1 thread (La Liga) and only 1 was deleted/good, the rest unhandled.

I understand that moderators have strict thresholds so for sure, many of those posts don't deserve to be deleted but if you look at the majority of them, they're only recycling information that's easily Googled, or just rehashing earlier posts. To me, and to most of us, looking for helpful insight, betting tips or betting information, they really are just low-value comments that might as well be spam, since they don't even carry the thread of discussion, never respond to you if you reply to them, or DM them. That for me is enough to say they're not there to converse, they're there to post mindlessly.

I definitely saw initial activity on my newer self-moderated threads (those themselves were reactions to others who said it was getting hard to navigate with the post spam) but as AverageGlabella points out, these users don't reply to your conversations. To provide further evidence, I even tried PM'ing these guys after deleting their posts. Very, very few of them even responded back. Clearly, they didn't care or aren't even reading PMs, they're just wall-quoting and rehashing a comment.

It's definitely a dilemma. We now have 2/3 threads on the same topics. The ones with the most activity are not self-moderated, and has the lowest quality. I still participate from time to time and try to report posts. Generally, I still have a high accuracy count, but no longer have time to really help clean up. The ones with the highest quality are... well, the same people talking to each other. As Igebotz says, that's okay, and that's okay too, for me, since it serves the purposes of those needing those threads.

But yeah, for now, I'm ready to give up those self-moderated threads while there are also parallel topics involving paying users of paid pools. But does that work to exclude people who don't pay for those pools who still are genuine gamblers?

I feel like some responsibility also goes to those campaign managers of these users.

[Welsh]

I reported posts from 3 users. 1 of which I decided to open up post history, and found that yup, they were posting spam across gambling. I reported all their posts for the day.

The result? My first reported post was marked Bad. That was only my 3rd "bad" report of my forum lifetime! But 4/5 of the others from the same users were deleted, one remained unhandled. The other 2 users were left unhandled.

I reported another 8 posts from 8 different users in 1 thread (La Liga) and only 1 was deleted/good, the rest unhandled.

The important thing is they're being seen. Users, and moderators will never agree on everything, and moderators can't act upon the assumption that a user wouldn't reply to you or they're doing it simply to fill their quota. There has to be some sort of evidence, and that's what we act upon. However, I can confidently say that all your reports are being seen, and it's very likely a lot of those unhandled one's will be handled eventually. Although, if they do stay unhandled it could be a borderline case which no moderator feels confidently enough to act upon it, but don't necessarily think you're wrong.

Unhandled reports have their uses. Anyhow, all the reports I've made there recently have been handled, and I'm planning on visiting the Gambling section, and actually reporting regularly soon. I'm just going through the motions in the Altcoin section at the moment .

We just need a few reporters that don't necessarily care about their percentage, and just regularly report there. Once they start losing their activity or earnings they'll think twice about spamming in the future. Unfortunately, they only do it because they know they can get away with it. That's no backhanded insult to the moderators that receive the reports ther either, like I said all of them are seen, and most of them are acted upon. It's just there's so much it's a full time job to actually get that section back to acceptable levels. 

[buwaytress]

The important thing is they're being seen. Users, and moderators will never agree on everything, and moderators can't act upon the assumption that a user wouldn't reply to you or they're doing it simply to fill their quota. There has to be some sort of evidence, and that's what we act upon. However, I can confidently say that all your reports are being seen, and it's very likely a lot of those unhandled one's will be handled eventually. Although, if they do stay unhandled it could be a borderline case which no moderator feels confidently enough to act upon it, but don't necessarily think you're wrong.

Unhandled reports have their uses. Anyhow, all the reports I've made there recently have been handled, and I'm planning on visiting the Gambling section, and actually reporting regularly soon. I'm just going through the motions in the Altcoin section at the moment .

We just need a few reporters that don't necessarily care about their percentage, and just regularly report there. Once they start losing their activity or earnings they'll think twice about spamming in the future. Unfortunately, they only do it because they know they can get away with it. That's no backhanded insult to the moderators that receive the reports ther either, like I said all of them are seen, and most of them are acted upon. It's just there's so much it's a full time job to actually get that section back to acceptable levels. 

Agree! And I'm not calling out anyone (I hope it didn't come across like that). I know mods work hard, and there are more users than we think also contributing. And the forum is cleaner than it was in 2017 (that's my impression). Only seems that the spam's moved to gambling and it's probably going to take some effort that can't be made by users+moderators.

Altcoin section, I haven't looked in ages. It was scary then..!

Oh and I don't care about percentages either... I have hundreds of unhandled. It's just the "Bad" report came out of the blue for me haha. Altcoin section is where reporters are required eh? Interesting!

P.S. Curiously, that post that gave me the bad report I mentioned is now deleted. Did someone change their mind maybe? Not (that) important heh

[Igebotz]

P.S. Curiously, that post that gave me the bad report I mentioned is now deleted. Did someone change their mind maybe? Not (that) important heh

I guess someone's else reported the same post recently since unhandled cases from the previous months are left that way and not visited again due to work load.

[Synchronice]

The only solution that I can think about is the following:
It's in signature campaign managers' interest to find high quality posters. Logically, if they are promoting casinos, they want people who frequently post in gambling boards and that's the reason why they set 10 post min in gambling section limit. But the problem is that there are so many gambling-related signature campaigns that they physically can't find quality posters who are also interested in gambling but they still leave the rule in force and close an eye on low quality poster if they follow rules. But, instead, they should make more individual rules. If I usually post in Economics but post 3-4 high quality posts a week in gambling section, then I will be a better candidate than the one who doesn't give a shit and posts in that section just to get payment. It's quality over quantity. I think everyone would prefer one $10 banknote over ten times 0.20 cents.

Imagine, there is a guy who posts nonsense 10 times a week in gambling section. Will anyone read that? Maybe you'll read one line and then ignore, will move on second member. I believe highest percentage of people don't even want to visit 95% of threads in Gambling sections. When bunch of spammers post and read each-others posts, no one from them is gonna visit your promoted website, it's all done for $$ purposes. So, the money is wasted.

To be honest, Chipmixer's signature campaign should be an ideal example for everyone. For me, it become a standard that if I see Chipmixer in someone's signature, then I read their posts with more interest because I've seen quality from them, almost every member from this campaign post interesting posts. They promote Chipmixer and Chipmixer promotes them on this forum, it's fun but real.

So, the only deal in this situation, that will benefit forum and promoter company is to become more individual and don't set standards that your participants won't be able to meet. Become more narrow into choosing posters. Choose the one who posts for example 30 quality posts in economy section and is active there, choose the second one who is best in trading section, choose the third one who is best in gambling. I genuinely believe this will be better.

[SatoPrincess]

OP I appreciate the work you’re doing to clean the gambling board. I think this user Prince Malik should be on the list. He keeps referring to the champions league as the EPL. I don’t know what football fan would consistently make that mistake. I think being in 1xbit signature campaign encourages this kind of trash post.

Benfica team is doing very great this year in the Epl and it will not be an easy task for Napoli to get the qualification against them, it's true that Napoli have clear superiority against them but but I feel that benfica can do something big this year in the EPL, if they manage well the first leg things will be very hard for Napoli

[Igebotz]

The only solution that I can think about is the following:
It's in signature campaign managers' interest to find high quality posters. Logically, if they are promoting casinos, they want people who frequently post in gambling boards and that's the reason why they set 10 post min in gambling section limit. But the problem is that there are so many gambling-related signature campaigns that they physically can't find quality posters who are also interested in gambling but they still leave the rule in force and close an eye on low quality poster if they follow rules. But, instead, they should make more individual rules. If I usually post in Economics but post 3-4 high quality posts a week in gambling section, then I will be a better candidate than the one who doesn't give a shit and posts in that section just to get payment. It's quality over quantity. I think everyone would prefer one $10 banknote over ten times 0.20 cents.

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So, the only deal in this situation, that will benefit forum and promoter company is to become more individual and don't set standards that your participants won't be able to meet. Become more narrow into choosing posters. Choose the one who posts for example 30 quality posts in economy section and is active there, choose the second one who is best in trading section, choose the third one who is best in gambling. I genuinely believe this will be better.

It's all about targeting your audience, those who are likely to use your site, then the board appropriate for your project, and finally the frequent poster on that board, not those who are just posting to farm activity, but recently number of merit in the last 120 days has been used to rate quality posters by most managers, and that's how most spammers found their way to sig campaign and started spamming everywhere.


Unless you are running a shitcoin project, you have no business with frequent posters in the trading section if you run a casino site.

OP I appreciate the work you’re doing to clean the gambling board. I think this user Prince Malik should be on the list. He keeps referring to the champions league as the EPL. I don’t know what football fan would consistently make that mistake. I think being in 1xbit signature campaign encourages this kind of trash post.

Benfica team is doing very great this year in the Epl and it will not be an easy task for Napoli to get the qualification against them, it's true that Napoli have clear superiority against them but but I feel that benfica can do something big this year in the EPL, if they manage well the first leg things will be very hard for Napoli

All 1xbit participants are on my ignore list, its a waste of time, i don't read from them