User: Unknown01 threatens me with a forum ban for saying my opinion

[Hhampuz]

Well if you guys won't let this die down then I'll just add a few comments:

I do not appreciate it when you add my name in ratings, positive negative or neutral, and characterizing what I've said as something it's not. I have never called Unknown01 a shitposter or a spammer, I simply told him why I could not count some of his posts as they were one-liners in my eyes. I do not have a problem with one-liners, if anything I think that shows the opposite of spamming as you are just talking, normally, with people you know and don't feel like writing paragraph after paragraph when just replying.

Furthermore while on the topic of ratings, @1miau, you seem to want to talk about how the trust system should or should not be used but at the same time you seem to use Unknown01's trust page as your personal journal adding neutral after neutral tag which to me seems more odd than anything. It also looks weird when 2-3 people add the exact same neutral rating which makes it seem more coordinated (considering it's a lengthy tag and not just "avoid" "scammer" or similar).

I will make no comments about anything related to propaganda and the Ukraine/Russian war but if there's a group going around spreading propaganda - compile and translate it and I'll gladly read it and if it is as you say I'd have no issues with taking action against it as I believe, no matter what that crazy guy cryptomaxsum or whatever says, the current situation in Ukraine is atrocious and Putin/his govt. are assholes who should have to answer for the crimes they've committed and continue to commit.

But please, do not use my name for any agenda whether you think it's for a good cause or not, because if I say something I'll mean it and there won't be any fluff around it. My PM's are always open btw, if you have an issue with me. From reading some of the ratings some users claim that hiring Unknown01 in any sig campaign would encourage spam/abuse on this forum and that, if anything, is a hit at me for having him (and others from this "group) in my campaigns..

[1miau]

I don't know, are you kidding me? I have stated 10 times in this thread that I have not threatened anyone with a ban or any other consequence and you still come out with the same statement.

Your lies aren't getting true even after repeating them 100 times!  

Please translate the accusation and tell me where you read the threat of a ban I have nothing more to add to my statements.

I'm a native german speaker and can confirm, that you, Unknown01, indeed threatened the Newbie to report him to theymos. Stop lying here! And you added some more serious insults against Kamix, it's so embarassing that you are justifying your misbehaviour here.
You are showing zero self-reflection about your insults against Kamix.

But keep going and accusing other people here, KingsDen is completely right! A friendly attitude towards Newbies is essential for the Forum but you lost your mind when Kamix criticized your Kremlin Spam posts.
Stop attacking other people here and admit your mistake. You are distrusted now anyways.  

Sometimes I have the feeling that people are not reading at all and just commenting  

Yeah, there's an account called Unknown01, he's really not reading anything, not forum rules, not how to use DT standards, nothing.
But the funny thing: now he's teaching everyone.  

Please do all of us and yourself a favor and stop digging your own hole!  
(But it's funny of course)  


@Hhampuz

Much appreciated to have your reply here.

Of course I can remove the reference link from my trust where you are mentioned. And I'm sure everyone else is also open to it, who left a neutral trust and the link was used / you are mentioned.
It's totally ok when people don't want to be part of the drama here.
I'm ready to replace the neutral trust where your reference link is used and replace it with my own post as a reference link. I think we have enough proof already.

Every feedback left by me is documenting what happened in the German section,. Now, that we have content about it also in English, it might be helpful for the English community, that the German reference link might get replace by english ones, that's a fair assumption.
But some incidents happened in German, so the German Link is better suited there.
I tried to PM Unknown01 about his misbehaviour very early, in April, but unfortunalely he thought he was not at fault at all...
Even after Nestade PMed him, too

Regarding translation of the propaganda: yes, everyone can visit the thread in the German section and read what's written there. It's disgusting where people are cheering that Ukrainians are being thrown under the bus...
It's disgusting. Just check Poly#Crypto's recent posts.

It's fair, that you don't want to be involved here.

[hZti]

What I can say as a member of the German community here is that there a specific political topics that tend to split the community apart. There is a small group of users that have rather extreme views that you wouldn't be able to share on other platforms so easily. Also the moderator does not have the time and will to moderate every new reply that is written (I can understand him 100%). Since the german community of active posters is not that big after all it will end up that people fight in an off topic political discussion about corona, the war in ukraine or similar and then meet again in a thread about technical bitcoin questions. Since they then remember the user from that other topic it will lead to problems in a whole different forum area. This ends to a very toxic discussion after all and to problems with alt accounts, faked ratings etc. since as I said the community is not that big and one person with a few alt accounts / friends can make a whole difference.
For me I can only hope that there is less political discussion. I have the feeling that some users want to share political statements that they would not be able to share anywhere else in germany since in the real world they couldn't easily take a whole discussion easily hostage with their propaganda.

[s0nix]

The idea of 1miau is quite simple:

His own words in one of his post: "Vermutlich sind eure Accounts schon schön beschädigt von der Show in DT."

In english: "Probably your accounts are already nicely damaged from the show in DT."

That's it, nothing else!
1miau celebrates here a "show" to discredit @Unknown01 and other users.
These other guys are all respectable members with charisma and decency. But these people don't let 1miau dictate what they have to say or write. They are against 1miau's attempt at his dictatorship of opinion.
And that is the big problem of 1miau. He doesn't want to accept that. He can't accept that other people have a different opinion.
He thinks he is the greatest, the all-knowing, the forum god. But wrong thought!

That's why he threatens several times that he will give a "neutral trust" if people don't stop writing. He threatens members.
Also, he has threatened several times to start a campaign in the meta and ruputations thread if members disagree with him if users don't stop posting.

Sorry to say - these are Putin methods.


Two days ago, there were 3 threads closed by the moderator because the situation escalated. But the escalation always has only one name: 1miau. He sabotages the discussion by massive attacks against the discussants. He insults people again and again and again. The moderator has warned several times: discussion please be fair but without insults. But 1miau goes on and on. He produced and provoked reports, with full intention to destroy the discussion.

And now, he starts his announced show: Damaging accounts by spreading lies - nice!

[1miau]

His own words in one of his post: "Vermutlich sind eure Accounts schon schön beschädigt von der Show in DT."

In english: "Probably your accounts are already nicely damaged from the show in DT."

That's how DT is intended to work!  
Misuse positive trust - get thrown out of DT
Don't admit your mistakes - get thrown out of DT even more
Spreading insults and threaten newbies - get called out and marked as "damaging for the forum"
Abuse Bitcointalk for your own agenda, for producing useless spam, shitposts and Putins propaganda - get called a spammer and troll


In general:

Doing shit will get your account damaged.

What's so difficult to understand there for you?

1miau celebrates here a "show" to discredit @Unknown01 and other users.

I don't need to discredit anyone, the actions of the accused troll accounts are speaking for themselves.  

He thinks he is the greatest, the all-knowing, the forum god. But wrong thought!

Well, it's not difficult to write better posts than you. You have earned a total of 11 Merit...
That's a bit lousy, I would say. 

They are against 1miau's attempt at his dictatorship of opinion.

Wait, which account throw defamations and threats at Kamix when Kamix called out the pro Putin propaganda?  

That's why he threatens several times that he will give a "neutral trust" if people don't stop writing.

Thanks again for admitting that your knowledge about DT is a shame. You know nothing, not the difference between positive, neutral and negative trust, not about DT1, DT2 (should I mention flags)?
Because you are just using (positive) trust to increase the trust scores of your shady troll friends.  
Getting a neutral tag for your lies, insults, shitposts and unwillingness to improve is completely appropriate. I don't see anyone of you at least trying to understand why you are facing the backlash here that you are facing currently.
Instead, you are ignoring everything and keep pushing your lies!
Highly relevant for trades, that you are not admitting your abuses here, don't wan't to learn and you are constantly spreading your lies on the forum.

Yes - do shit, face consequences.
You crybabies are so amazing!  

But that's your problem! You don't want to be called out for your lies, that's why Unknown01 harassed Kamix because Kamix did a really good job, that Unknown01 is downplaying, what Russia is doing in Ukraine!
That's it why you are so butthurt!
Your pro-Putin lies got busted completely and Unknown01's head exploded!  

Also, he has threatened several times to start a campaign in the meta and ruputations thread if members disagree with him if users don't stop posting.

I have PMed the abuser accounts in April, telling them that their positive counter trust to my neutral trust is inapproriate use of positive trust (because it's technically a neutral trust) and DT will act if they don't read about acceptable DT standards. You can read everything here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404167.0
But they didn't admit their mistakes!
You are not admitting your mistake because you are also involved. You sent a fraudulent because meaningless positive trust to Unknown01, too!
Remember this!

Getting reviewed by DT is totally normal.

That's how DT is working.
- Present evidence
- DT reviews evidence
- get a result

We are having the result now since your accounts are removed entirely from DT2. While you are still crying and don't admit anything!
Never admitting mistakes, never reading the guides!
You are an ignorant abuser!
You are not DT material. That's why you are off now!

Get some help!  

Two days ago, there were 3 threads closed by the moderator because the situation escalated. But the escalation always has only one name: 1miau. He sabotages the discussion by massive attacks against the discussants.

Again pure lies. Should I tell how it's in reality?  
Let me tell you, Kremlin Troll:

Your are spamming the forum with your (proven) lies, your propaganda, where war crimes are downplayed and Putin's war is whitewashed. Then we are presenting evidence, that you are pushing Putins agenda by undermining efforts to help Ukrainians to throw out the russian invaders. You don't like that because it's showing the truth about your disgusting propaganda!

And keep in mind: you are the ones STARTING the shitshow by placing your propaganda, so you are saying, that we are not allowed to criticize your propaganda?  
That's censorship, if that's what you want?!
You Putin Troll!
Of course we will call out your lies.

You don't want to be called out for your lies! Whenever we call out your disgusting propaganda lies by showing what Putin is doing in Ukraine, you are getting extremely butthurt because everyone can see how inhuman Putin's war is.
That's why Unknown01 harassed Kamix because Kamix did a really good job by exposing, that Unknown01 is downplaying what Russia is doing in Ukraine!
That's it why you are so butthurt!
Your pro-Putin lies got busted completely and your head is exploding frequently!  

[Lafu]

First i want to say that i am writing this and here now on and from a neutral View what i have seen and readed the last days and weeks !
Even when it was looking like i am not that much active in the German Board as i normal doing but i always reading the most important things there.
And the off topic board honestly i dont read there much , specialy the already now closed topics there , i tried it a few times, but its a never ending vicious cycle without value.

@Kamix
As others already mentioned , you dont get banned because a User just write it as long you dont have broken any of the Forum Rules!

@Bitcoin_Arena
Thats an interesting research and find here. Special that there a few well known Users in there List that already tried to manipulate the Default Trust System in the past.
Looks like that both of them dont know how the trust system and the personal list is working or its forced that they have done it , if the last is the case its very suspicious about manipulating.

@Unknown01 and @MinoRaiola
I havnt written anything for now about you and still writing that now from a neutral View .
Its in a way disappointing to see and read how you sometimes reply to new Users or Users that not often write in the loacal board both of you havnt done that before.
About the shitposts , not all posts are shitposts of yours but a few are lately , but diffrent Viewers diffrent opinions.
The main reason i guess why we have and got this situation now is not only of your posts you have done , its because it looks like that you dont have understood about the Feedback und Trust System.
So maybe take the time and read it and if you dont know or understand it just write in the translated thread in the local board and ask .

@1miau
About the shitposts you have written , i guess you can count 25 - 40% or even more of the daily posts that where made on the Forum as Shitposts.
I also think that your main reason and thing was about the Trust system and the feedback that was done from the Users.
Also as Hhampuz have written it makes no sense to write again and again neutral feedbacks on the same Account if its for the same Reason , maybe edit that already given one.
I agree with you in a lot of things about this case but not all , but you know that already and i dont want to mix me into personal things and issues.

@mole0815
I can imagine the situation fully and that it is not easy to stay and be neutral for this case and in general when you moderate.
Try to keep the balance but i guess you know what and how i mean that .

Sorry for the long post and writting , and i guess all that are involved or has to do with this case should be not digging again and again in the same hole.
Let it be for now with the Ignore button even its maybe hard for some but i guess thats the best solution now and maybe it calms down.
We are a community about Bitcoin and Crypto related things and it makes no difference if there are Users from other countries or from a local board.
It should be a together , for sure we dont have to cuddle with each other or share the same Views , you cant make it right to everybody.  
But at least we should try it with a togehter as far as possible.

This are just my 2-3 cents !

[1miau]

This are just my 2-3 cents !

Many thanks for your 2-3 cents (or sats), much appreciated to get your input here.  

I agree to what you've written here especially to your recommendation for lower ranked accounts to do sufficient research about DT before using it. Especially after it's pointed out to someone.
You are right that there are too much shitposts on the forum, so yes, but that's another issue where improvement is important.
I agree to your comment about my neutral trust given out for Unknown01 and I have reduced the entries to have one entry for each severe offense (no self-reflection after being called out for sigspam; defamations and libel against me; defamations and threats against Kamix), to be able to present all reference links. A separate entry for each offense sounds fair.
I'll keep the date for each feedback intact.

I also think that your main reason and thing was about the Trust system and the feedback that was done from the Users.

That's true, the evidence was presented and DT acted quickly.
It's essential to have a proper use of positive trust because a lenient use of positive trust will lead to more scams quickly, when scammers are taking advantage from it to abuse it our bounty spammers are starting to circle it to each other or even sending their low quality spams friends into DT to manipulate it.
Positive trust would become a meaningless metric when used inflationary.

Luckily it's solved now and unfortunately it had to be solved by DT, not by self-reflections from the accounts in question.  
The positive part from it: everyone can see, that DT is working.  

[Unknown01]

@Unknown01 and @MinoRaiola
I havnt written anything for now about you and still writing that now from a neutral View .
Its in a way disappointing to see and read how you sometimes reply to new Users or Users that not often write in the loacal board both of you havnt done that before.
About the shitposts , not all posts are shitposts of yours but a few are lately , but diffrent Viewers diffrent opinions.
The main reason i guess why we have and got this situation now is not only of your posts you have done , its because it looks like that you dont have understood about the Feedback und Trust System.
So maybe take the time and read it and if you dont know or understand it just write in the translated thread in the local board and ask .

First of all I know that you are a neutral person and therefore I do not blame you, if you take the view that I sometimes write shitposts then that is your view and that is fine too. I know your contribution to the forum and know that you are always there for everyone and support everyone who asks for it. I have read your post about Trust and you are welcome to refer me or MinoRaiola (maybe it's wrong to decide that on his behalf) to our mistake, I personally have acted to the best of my knowledge and belief and think that my feedback and my trust entries are right. I like to talk to a normal person who doesn't offend and wants positiv things, I generally tolerate criticism very well and therefore you are very welcome to publish a critical or helpful contribution to my settings in the German board (in your topic) and we can then discuss everything there (in German please, it's just more comfortable and easier). You are also welcome to point this out to me via PM if you prefer, I don't care if we talk via PM or publicly.

Regarding my behavior towards newcomers, well how would you react if someone scolded you for emigrating, kissing Putin's ass, etc.? I was completely calm about this and just pointed out that this pattern of behavior has been repeating itself in last time and that I will create a list of conspicuous users and forward it to theymos. There was no threat of a ban mentioned in any way, and no one was personally threatened on my part. Only people who actually did something wrong need to feel threatened by this statement. Compared to other users who are new to the forum and behave normally, I've never been conspicuous, why should I? The rank doesn't matter to me as long as my counterpart speaks to me respectfully and humanely.  

By the way this is how you should express criticism without insulting someone right away


Edit: in addition: with your assumption that it just degenerated because of the lack of understanding in the DT. Please Lafu, regardless of which view you share on the Corona topic, everyone who read along knows that the problem was that 1miau cannot accept other opinions. We also had discussions with qwk, why didn't we have any problems with him?!

[Hetadrop]

To sum it all up, I didn't threaten Kamix with anything and this thread is just there to attack me in the process.

I have Google Translate on my phone and I have red your posts and posts from Kamix and posts from s0nix and I’m speechless!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386945.msg60448460#msg60448460

You are somehow justifying that there are 'reasons' for Russia to invade Ukraine! Where did you got that script? Directly from Moscow?
Maybe you are also of the opinion that Ukraine is a puppet state of NATO? Are you? More scripts directly from Moscow?

That’s just the last page, I don’t want to mention the criminal comments from s0nix a few posts before.

Because your compilation of excuses for Putins war crimes goes on in your posts, where you are hating against Kamix! He’s so true! He pointed to you links to Russian war crimes! He sended you a Ponomarenko link, Ponomarenko has huge credibility! You should read his statements to see what’s going really on in Ukraine! Putin TV is no reality, do you know!
Kamix gave you recommend to visit Ukraine war places, where russian gnomes are doing murder!
He is right! Go there!

But what are you doing after Kamix post, when you are confronted with reality?
You are threatening Kamix with a ban from theymos, providing more aggressive words against Kamix.
The spechlessest part is when you call his findings lies!
It’s not lies, you are making the lies!

Please stop doing this, Putin makes applause for you! 
Can you publicly write a message where you directly say your reaction was totally wrong what you did to Kamix?
What you did was wrong and Kamix was in his post accurate on pointing out that you are indeed justifying russian war crimes by saying russia is provoked, by saying Kamix is making lies? Because any one know: nobody 'provoked Russia', links from Ponomarenko aren’t lies! Show some respect to Ponomarenko!

Russia has no 'reasons' to invade in another country!

Quit your wrong claims please and say full apologies to Kamix where you say he was right in his reply to your script from Moscow!

Slava Ukraini!

[Basti773]

You are somehow justifying that there are 'reasons' for Russia to invade Ukraine! Where did you got that script? Directly from Moscow?

The relativization of the war in Ukraine by Unknown01 and the well-known other users is an enormous problem. Posts are made that would not be possible in the German public sphere. These posts come again and again. The German part of the forum would be a no-go area for me in public. If this will not change, I belive more and more active members will leave the forum. What remainds are Kremlin trolls and people who do not care if someone spreads Putin porpaganda.

[mole0815]

I wanted to stay out of the drama - honestly! Since the thread has occupied me last night for several hours and I have lain awake but I must get rid of a few things. Started now at 10:35 in my time zone.
But since I was asked several times by users to take a stand (because they either do not have the opportunity to do that in English or also (sad but is so) are afraid to stand up for their opinion) I may now take over.

The things that are coming now were not said/commanded/wanted or whatever by anyone. This is my neutral view of the situation in which we find ourselves.

Is this now about Unknown01 and the accusations from the first post?

Or in general about the German subboard?
If yes then maybe we should start a new thread and not drift completely into off-topic.
But since there are already so many accusations in the room, a few words from me:

@Kamix
In my opinion the statements of Unknown01 towards you, which were mentioned here several times, did not exist in this form and 2. NeuroticFish created a short discussion about this topic in the Meta: Is one forum rule needed?
Result: Even if he had said it, it would not have been a rule violation. But since it wasn't, I see even less than no problem here.
In the tone, you both were out of line. But whether a Hero to Jr. or Jr. to Hero - netiquette has not been met by either.

@all
There is no point in translating various statements, because the small details and subtleties are lost, but they are crucial.
Unknown01 has never threatened Kamix with a ban. But that's exactly what is mentioned here again and again and that's the basis for many other accusations that are in the room.

This would take away the basis of the thread but that was never the point here. On such a statement was only waited so that a campaign against a few users can be started.
You can see that here and meanwhile also here.

@1miau
Is that necessary?
No one has had more double posts in recent months that had to be merged by me.
Nobody in our area has deleted texts 1:1 posted again except you.
And you even several times as for example here + here and in addition you tell me to continue with it until I do not also remove contribution X or Y that does not correspond to your opinion!
And in addition I had for weeks 99% (or more) of all reports from Nestade and you. Every post I've read 3 or 10 times and either deleted (or not) came back again and again until I eventually gave in or had to press a button to get it to the next moderator.

Is this behavior supposed to be okay?
Who always rides on the rules should also keep them themselves. I have never made a big barrel out of it but maybe now is the right time.


I also see the loss of quality in the German forum but in my opinion that also has to do with the departure of e.g. asche, aundroid, bob123, tyKiwanuka to name a few.
Is it because of Corona? Maybe. Is it because of the situation in the world? Maybe. But no one has ever said to me that he leaves the forum because the other users are too bad. If it is the mood and we can only work together!

If a handful of users put the complete energy in a series of unnecessary threads that are inappropriate here in the forum anyway and I quasi 100% of my time for this. So unfortunately weekly XX hours are lost which we could use sensibly to make the forum a better place.

So not only criticize but also bring constructive solution proposals would help. And that WITHOUT insulting anyone - Lafu has shown how it works.

(Here at this point I had a few sentences and clarifications to the other users who have participated in the thread but I have rather removed again. Brings only more trouble to cause but please stay on topic and do not mix here again X things. Because if we now bring here in addition to the topic Trust the Merits in the game and you look at who/when/where for which has awarded in recent times then it shows an interesting picture of the users involved).

The Corona topic has split our forum. Other topics have followed from it and by then the fronts were already hardened.
I have tried everything that is possible for me... Examples?

On 28-02-2022, 29-03-2022, 07-06-2022 + 15-06-2022 I have asked my colleagues from the staff for help or information on how to deal with the whole issue.
Unfortunately, there is no general answer and therefore I tried to deal with the issue on my own. Probably we should have nipped all topics that do not concern the crypto environment in the bud right away.

On 30-04-2021 the question if we should ban Corona from the forum: Corona Thread schließen?
On 17-05-2021 the decision to leave it open but delete everything that violates netiquette: Corona Thread - finale Abstimmung!
Went briefly well but then the censorship outcry was immediately large again.
When I announced to edit only real rule violations and not to work off every report (which in my opinion is not justified) my own posts (here and here) were reported to me.
I am not an instrument that you can use for your own purposes! There are rules and we all have to follow them.

Any other moderator would have reacted quite differently, but you have to understand that I, as a person with incredibly good nerves, no longer have any. Since the topic as I said now even de sleep robs me must change something.

I want peace in my life and after X months of chaos and hostility I have no more patience.
It is in the meantime no more joy to visit the forum.
Neither can I care about topics that interest me nor can I enjoy it here because we only have hate and unnecessary discussions.

There is no goal and no end. You can color your accounts in some (DT) colors or whatever.
Bitcointalk stands for free speech and nothing will change - If it does then theymos, cyrus or mprep will tell me and then I will change my way of working.... as long as this does not happen and also e.g. here nothing happens here in this direction I behave with the rules accordingly correctly.

But I can not understand why a few of you are constantly trying to teach other users, to insult (both sides) and to exploit board resources in order to censor them.

If the German forum is bad you can be in the English part of Bitcointalk.
If the forum in general is so bad then stop trying to change it and maybe look for an alternative.

Everything written here is not defamation, hostility or trying to make the situation worse. I just want the Bitcointalk back that I was always impressed by with full conviction. Unfortunately, it is no longer that way currently.
And no I do not trivialize war + abhor violence (I just wanted to mention specifically so that this is clear and I am not still put in the wrong corner).

I don't know if all this was a good idea?
Probably not and I think it will also be prepared about or actually against me somewhere or can be found but I have to live with it.
I have spoken here not only for me but for a few more users (which is also my task as a moderator) and hope now to have clarified a few things.
I am neither friends nor enemies with any of the users involved here. I am also not on either side. I just want to get some peace in (at least) our part of the forum and finally discuss meaningful topics again.

End at 11:48 of my time zone.
Thank you (all) for letting me (again) invest so much time (~70 minutes) in topics that are of absolutely no use to anyone.
Click on ignore, rate yourselves as you like but don't constantly make ALL users in the German area bad because 99,8% can't do anything for your differences.

In this sense - have a nice day and maybe we should all go back a few steps to look at various topics again with some distance to not get stuck for eternity.

[Kamix]

@Kamix
In my opinion the statements of Unknown01 towards you, which were mentioned here several times, did not exist in this form and 2. NeuroticFish created a short discussion about this topic in the Meta: Is one forum rule needed?
Result: Even if he had said it, it would not have been a rule violation. But since it wasn't, I see even less than no problem here.
In the tone, you both were out of line. But whether a Hero to Jr. or Jr. to Hero - netiquette has not been met by either.

You have chosen your side...

Unknown01 is writing about reporting me to theymos? What else would be the reason besides a ban? That I meet with theymos for coffee?

The statement is more than clear. If you claim otherwise, you do so not as a fair moderator but because you are friends with Unknown01. No wonder that he cleared all the evidence that you are in a Telegram group with him.

By the way, I have also received several messages from people who have given me encouragement but do not want to speak publicly here because they are afraid of Unknown01 and your moderation.

It was necessary to address this problem, even if you now continue to try to sweep things under the carpet, because you do not want to stand in a bad light.

This is exactly why the German board is nothing more than a pool of trolls, conspiracy theories, and hate that you couldn't express anywhere else in Germany.

[mole0815]

Dear Kamix,

you were not very active in the forum before and you have never been in the reputations. But then you come with 2 perfectly prepared posts around the corner and now accuse me of things that do not correspond to the truth?
First in general: No one has spoken of a ban because that is also not possible under these circumstances.
And now in detail: First this post in which you are asking unknowing what is going on here.
But only a few hours less you are completely in the game, have a perfectly prepared post with false statements at hand and put yourself as a victim?

Again.
1) There are no sides for me and therefore I can not choose one.
2) I know Unknown01 as well (or not well) as you do.
3) As mentioned several times, there is not and never has been a Telegram group with anyone addressed here.

I hope this clarifies some things again. As long as we all stay with the truth is all good.

//edit: Well, it didn't take long with the first Trust entry. Now it's getting really ridiculous.

[Kamix]

Dear Kamix,

you were not very active in the forum before and you have never been in the reputations. But then you come with 2 perfectly prepared posts around the corner and now accuse me of things that do not correspond to the truth?
First in general: No one has spoken of a ban because that is also not possible under these circumstances.
And now in detail: First this post in which you are asking unknowing what is going on here.
But only a few hours less you are completely in the game, have a perfectly prepared post with false statements at hand and put yourself as a victim?

Again.
1) There are no sides for me and therefore I can not choose one.
2) I know Unknown01 as well (or not well) as you do.
3) As mentioned several times, there is not and never has been a Telegram group with anyone addressed here.

I hope this clarifies some things again. As long as we all stay with the truth is all good.

//edit: Well, it didn't take long with the first Trust entry. Now it's getting really ridiculous.

That's how opinion mongering works... You are joining the same propaganda that Unknown01 and your friends are showing. The user is denied legitimacy because he does not belong to the long-standing clique. Facts are denied, evidence are deleted and the user is discredited until no one believes him anymore. And you are talking about free speech?

I've been registered here since 2020 and have been reading along since then. Just because I don't post, my opinion doesn't apply? That's why I should keep my mouth shut and not speak out? Am I also not allowed to write trust entries because you don't like it?

Just because you and Unknown01 rank higher on Bitcointalk it doesn't mean the rules don't apply to everyone.

[mole0815]

This arguments are unfortunately weak and also not the truth.
Neither do I deny you the right to express your opinion, nor do I say that Unknown01 (or whoever) should have more rights than you.
I am certainly the last to delete something (and that is exactly what I am accused of). Slowly I don't know where the problem is anymore.

[Unknown01]

I'll just make it clear:

- I don't know mole or anyone else from the forum personally
- I am not in any telegram group with mole
- I don't use Telegram at all since almost 1-2 years
- I am not in touch with anyone else from the forum outside of the forum (nowhere, on any other platform or app)
- I have no other accounts in this forum
- I didn't threaten anyone with a ban
- I've never personally threatened Kamix in general
- I didn't offend anyone
- I am against the war
- I am not Russian and I do not support the Russian war
- I have never engaged in propaganda for Russia
- I have no contact whatsoever with Russia
- I live in Europe and the last thing I want is to see a war in Europe
- I don't wish us a war in the world in general
- I did not intentionally exploit the trust system
- I don't apologize for something I didn't do
- I condemn both Russia and NATO for using us in Europe to carry out their conflict on our ground
- I also condemn the media propaganda on our side
- Of course, I also condemn the propaganda from Russian side
- I also condemn any right-wing extremist or racist
- But I also condemn every left-wing extremist
- I also condemn every American cop who murdered a black man
- But I also condemn every Russian leader who has a hand in this war
- But I also condemn every Western leader who has a hand in this war


In general, I am for peace and neutrality and I condemn all forms of violence

Do you want me to clarify something else?

[Hetadrop]

@all
There is no point in translating various statements, because the small details and subtleties are lost, but they are crucial.
Unknown01 has never threatened Kamix with a ban. But that's exactly what is mentioned here again and again and that's the basis for many other accusations that are in the room.

I guess it's addresed from you that you say my posts is invalid?
Great, we are not allowed to make up our own opinion because you say so?

Translators have become really good, over the years!
German to English translation is no big deal for translators anymore.

Translations from very different languages (Arabic or Russian) are a different thing.
But German to English is well established.
I can translate it word for word.

My posts stands:

To sum it all up, I didn't threaten Kamix with anything and this thread is just there to attack me in the process.

I have Google Translate on my phone and I have red your posts and posts from Kamix and posts from s0nix and I’m speechless!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386945.msg60448460#msg60448460

You are somehow justifying that there are 'reasons' for Russia to invade Ukraine! Where did you got that script? Directly from Moscow?
Maybe you are also of the opinion that Ukraine is a puppet state of NATO? Are you? More scripts directly from Moscow?

That’s just the last page, I don’t want to mention the criminal comments from s0nix a few posts before.

Because your compilation of excuses for Putins war crimes goes on in your posts, where you are hating against Kamix! He’s so true! He pointed to you links to Russian war crimes! He sended you a Ponomarenko link, Ponomarenko has huge credibility! You should read his statements to see what’s going really on in Ukraine! Putin TV is no reality, do you know!
Kamix gave you recommend to visit Ukraine war places, where russian gnomes are doing murder!
He is right! Go there!

But what are you doing after Kamix post, when you are confronted with reality?
You are threatening Kamix with a ban from theymos, providing more aggressive words against Kamix.
The spechlessest part is when you call his findings lies!
It’s not lies, you are making the lies!

Please stop doing this, Putin makes applause for you!  
Can you publicly write a message where you directly say your reaction was totally wrong what you did to Kamix?
What you did was wrong and Kamix was in his post accurate on pointing out that you are indeed justifying russian war crimes by saying russia is provoked, by saying Kamix is making lies? Because any one know: nobody 'provoked Russia', links from Ponomarenko aren’t lies! Show some respect to Ponomarenko!

Russia has no 'reasons' to invade in another country!

Quit your wrong claims please and say full apologies to Kamix where you say he was right in his reply to your script from Moscow!

Slava Ukraini!

I see where you stand, mole0815, why are Germans always enabling Russia?
You have purchased your cheap gas for years from Russia and are just caring for your own profit!
"Never again" from 3rd Reich is pretty meaningless!


Why it's so difficult for Unknown01 to make a real apology to Kamix?
Its nuts.

I'll just make it clear:

- I don't know mole or anyone else from the forum personally
- I am not in any telegram group with mole
- I don't use Telegram at all since almost 1-2 years
- I am not in touch with anyone else from the forum outside of the forum (nowhere, on any other platform or app)
- I have no other accounts in this forum
- I didn't threaten anyone with a ban
- I've never personally threatened Kamix in general
- I didn't offend anyone
- I am against the war
- I am not Russian and I do not support the Russian war
- I have never engaged in propaganda for Russia
- I have no contact whatsoever with Russia
- I live in Europe and the last thing I want is to see a war in Europe
- I don't wish us a war in the world in general
- I did not intentionally exploit the trust system
- I don't apologize for something I didn't do
- I condemn both Russia and NATO for using us in Europe to carry out their conflict on our ground
- I also condemn the media propaganda on our side
- Of course, I also condemn the propaganda from Russian side
- I also condemn any right-wing extremist or racist
- But I also condemn every left-wing extremist
- I also condemn every American cop who murdered a black man
- But I also condemn every Russian leader who has a hand in this war
- But I also condemn every Western leader who has a hand in this war

That's called whataboutism!
There's only ONE COUNTRY invading another! RuZZia is invading Ukraine!
I see where you stand!

- I have never engaged in propaganda for Russia

Say one thing here, do one thing in another place!

People like you are the reason why Ukraine might lose.
Stop undermining military support for Ukraine by saying Russia is 'provoked'.
Because it is not!
Putin and his circle is the problem. Nothing else!

[mole0815]

I guess it's addresed from you that you say my posts is invalid?

Well then I again Hetadrop.
1) I have also never forbidden you the opinion. But it must be the truth - A ban was never the issue and even if it is brought up fifteen more times.
2) The topic here is not Russia, the war or whatever.

It is here about accusations against a few users and meanwhile also me which I cannot leave so in the room. My task is among other things also on the German speaking area in the forum to watch out.

And if absolutely everyone is allowed to say something (which is of course a good thing) then I will have this right too
But there is no point to discuss further. My point of view you now know and as already feared that will hit the next waves but I had to expect when I get to speak.

Just one of the reasons why other users do not.

[Hetadrop]

I guess it's addresed from you that you say my posts is invalid?

Well then I again Hetadrop.
1) I have also never forbidden you the opinion. But it must be the truth - A ban was never the issue and even if it is brought up fifteen more times.
2) The topic here is not Russia, the war or whatever.

It is here about accusations against a few users and meanwhile also me which I cannot leave so in the room. My task is among other things also on the German speaking area in the forum to watch out.

And if absolutely everyone is allowed to say something (which is of course a good thing) then I will have this right too
But there is no point to discuss further. My point of view you now know and as already feared that will hit the next waves but I had to expect when I get to speak.

Just one of the reasons why other users do not.

I see!
You are not interested that Unknown01 tried to opress Kamix. What's Kamix 'crime'? Kamix pointed out, how Unknown01 enabled Putin!

Here's some 'both sides' for you:

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1541889645608402946?cxt=HHwWhIC8ldSd8uUqAAAA
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1541911714228314114?cxt=HHwWhIC9mZyi_OUqAAAA

Bbbbbbut Russia has 'reasons'.
There are NO REASONS! 

Watch it!

[mole0815]

I abhor this (and all other) wars.
But since you do not want to understand my texts, we should really leave the topic here. There are still a few suitable places in the forum.
Only in our German speaking not more because this topic (together with Corona) has provided us the whole problems.

You are not interested that Unknown01 tried to opress Kamix. What's Kamix 'crime'? Kamix pointed out, how Unknown01 enabled Putin!

It never happened that way. And both have violated netiquette (which would then be the only official offense).