User: Unknown01 threatens me with a forum ban for saying my opinion

[mole0815]

Maybe he wanted to ask theymos to look for commonalities in the logs? So whether a few new users have a connection with each other or with other existing users? Possibly it would be but Unknown01 can certainly better than I say what he meant.

No idea but from a ban or report to get rid of him I can see nothing.
But that is exactly what is discussed here for pages.

In my opinion, it was waited until there is a reason to make the step towards Reputation to then address everything that has accumulated so the last few weeks. But that is of course no insinuation or official statement... only my private opinion.
I do not have to speak for others here but I will be allowed to say my thoughts and if that is used directly against me again, that also says a lot.

[sam00]

I've been a bystander to this whole drama on our local german board the whole time but I just feel like writing my point of view for other non german speaking individuals here to better understand the whole situation.

I've never participated in the highly controversial off topic threads. At some point people started attacking each other in the normal threads because they disagree with each other in the corona thread. That by itself was really absurd to me. Why do people have to discuss about corona on a bitcoin forum and then hate on each other in the other threads about bitcoin and the forum just because they have different political opinions.

This escalated to the point where users were being excluded from free raffles, attacked heavily for their political point of view and also their posting patterns, which pretty much affects the 'Unknown01 group' mostly while others are being blamed for destroying the harmony on the forum.

I am not taking any sides here as I don't care about your political views and don't mind anyone here on the forum.

To me as an outstander it really looks like you couldn't achieve anything by criticising each others political views so you all had to start criticising posting patterns etc.

I won't comment on the use of the trust system, posting/quoting patterns etc. either as I believe that all of this started just from different political views.
I assume so because as far as I can tell, there hasn't been such drama before the whole off-topic / corona controversials.

The situation is fucked up and I doubt that there is any way to change things to the way they were before.

Therefore I also suggest to just ignore each other. None of you are gonna get banned, nobody has to lay down their signature and the whole fighting will lead to absolutely nothing (except a few more trust entries which are completely unnecessary).

I can't even imagine the stress @mole0815 has with moderating this whole absurdity and now he's even being tagged for apparently taking sides here ?
I've seen so many posts deleted on both sides in the past few weeks and now that @mole0815 comments on here he/she immediately gets tagged simply because he/she is not sharing your opinion.

This is getting absurd and I will try to stay out of this whole discussion for now, although I guess that I will also get replies to my post.

[Unknown01]

Maybe he wanted to ask theymos to look for commonalities in the logs? So whether a few new users have a connection with each other or with other existing users? Possibly it would be but Unknown01 can certainly better than I say what he meant.

No idea but from a ban or report to get rid of him I can see nothing.
But that is exactly what is discussed here for pages.

That's right, I write a list of all suspicious accounts, you never know what will come in the future and theymos can certainly carry out a comparison using IP addresses or other data to find abnormalities, but I'm no expert and would only have tried to support with the list. However, the list does not mean that everyone on it must have done something wrong (apart from offending others which is only punished for very bad offenses).

It will probably still be allowed to write down user names, right?  

And only those who actually did something wrong need to feel threatened and no one else, since Kamix claims not to have done anything wrong, he needn´t have any fears either - if that's true. The same applies to the others and they are also free to report my account to theymos and he can compare my data with pleasure.    I would be honored if theymos would look at my data, nothing to worry about on my part.  

But of all, I wonder what a newbie is afraid of, even if I was able to ban the account, he can instantly create an account again (sure it's stupid and I would never block an account without sufficient reason anyway). Of course, the situation would be different if other accounts were linked to the account - then I would also be afraid that my worked up accounts would also be banned - but that's not the case, is it?  

By the way, I haven't reported anything yet, what do you think I should do? I just think that theymos is busy anyway and I don't like to bother him unless I have to.

Still open questions?


edit: But you can see right away that as soon as someone has the opposite opinion, the persons are automatically attacked, such as mole now, who is even a moderator. Even if he would testifie completely against me, I would never presume to accuse him of anything, like I did with Lafu.

The funniest thing is that Nestade & 1miau kept accusing me of being to blame for everything. I definitely admit that I am partly to blame, because I could have abstained from the start and therefore would not have had any trouble, but wouldn't that be censorship? I wouldn't have dared to speak my mind because otherwise a few others could riot (which happened too) but I don't let people oppress me like the Nazis or Putin are doing. And now mole explains his point of view and blames us and them as much and now I would be very interested to know whether they can also admit the guilt or whether they will now withdraw their statements and trust entries, since it is obviously not true?

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Kamix   2022-06-29   Reference   Spreading lies about my person; threatening me with being banned from the forum

 

I have nothing to say, where did I threaten him again? Am I maybe schizophrenic and don't realize that I'm threatening others? Please enlighten me or tell me  

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Unknown01 has never threatened Kamix with a ban. But that's exactly what is mentioned here again and again and that's the basis for many other accusations that are in the room.

If I stated or implied that Unknown01 threatened Kamix in that way, I retract all of that now.  I think I was speaking in generalities and not pointing any fingers since I hadn't dug into the evidence (or apparent lack thereof).  In any case, this is a shitshow.  I stand by what I said about forum bullying, but it sure doesn't look like that was happening in this case.

The Corona topic has split our forum. Other topics have followed from it and by then the fronts were already hardened.
I have tried everything that is possible for me... Examples?

I've been here since COVID-19 was first being discussed, and (at least from my perspective) none of that was as divisive as the Ukraine/Russia conflict--and understandably so.  I can see that's the case, and I'm not even part of any of the local boards.  It must be complete chaos in those dedicated to the people most closely affected by the war.  Tempers are running high and short, and I'm hoping things can eventually get back to the way they were.  My optimism on that front is tempered by my experience with this forum and its members in general, however.

It is in the meantime no more joy to visit the forum.
Neither can I care about topics that interest me nor can I enjoy it here because we only have hate and unnecessary discussions.

I feel you, mole0815.  I made a comment recently about free speech and the trust system, giving my opinion on it as someone who's been here for years.  What happens?  I get insulted by being asked if I'm only here for a paycheck....by a well-respected member and campaign manager who's been handing out said paychecks for a long time.  See here for details.  

I've always felt you've got to have a very thick skin to really love bitcointalk, and boy is that being tested these days.  But somehow the rules of the forum have to reign supreme over whatever is going on in the world; there can't be any sides being taken by the forum itself or pity being given to members simply because they're in a hard situation.  

Mole0815, take a break if you need to.  I'm considering that myself, at least for a short time.  When real-life shit starts flowing into an online forum and in turn only contributes to that real-life shit, that's a sign some cooling down is needed.

- I condemn both Russia and NATO for using us in Europe to carry out their conflict on our ground
- I also condemn the media propaganda on our side
- But I also condemn every Western leader who has a hand in this war

That's called whataboutism!
There's only ONE COUNTRY invading another! RuZZia is invading Ukraine!
I see where you stand!

- I condemn Unknown01 and his colleagues' whataboutism and trivialization of war
- I condemn threatening other members with ban for no reason
- I condemn Unknown01 and his colleagues' lies and of course lying in general
- I condemn (Kremlin-)trolls
- I condemn Unknown01 and his colleagues' false accusations

Are we seriously at the point where posts like this (public condemnations) have to be written?  Fuck me.

[Kamix]

That's right, I write a list of all suspicious accounts, you never know what will come in the future and theymos can certainly carry out a comparison using IP addresses or other data to find abnormalities, but I'm no expert and would only have tried to support with the list. However, the list does not mean that everyone on it must have done something wrong (apart from offending others which is only punished for very bad offenses).

It will probably still be allowed to write down user names, right? 

And only those who actually did something wrong need to feel threatened and no one else, since Kamix claims not to have done anything wrong, he needn´t have any fears either - if that's true. The same applies to the others and they are also free to report my account to theymos and he can compare my data with pleasure.    I would be honored if theymos would look at my data, nothing to worry about on my part. 

But of all, I wonder what a newbie is afraid of, even if I was able to ban the account, he can instantly create an account again (sure it's stupid and I would never block an account without sufficient reason anyway). Of course, the situation would be different if other accounts were linked to the account - then I would also be afraid that my worked up accounts would also be banned - but that's not the case, is it? 

By the way, I haven't reported anything yet, what do you think I should do? I just think that theymos is busy anyway and I don't like to bother him unless I have to.

Still open questions?

List of suspicious accounts? Are you kidding? Why is my account suspicious? Because I won't just let your disgusting statements stand? And why should my account even get banned? All I have done is speak my opinion and you threaten me and try to shut me up. You are a disgusting Putin lover who distorts facts and spreads lies. You sit in front of your computer and spread lies and try to suppress others. But you did not expect that I will resist and now you try everything to turn the situation in your favor.

To make it clear for everyone here: Unknown01 and his friends spread hate and lies, commit trust farming, and abuse the feedback system. The evidence is all here in the thread!

~Unknown01
~s0nix
~MinoRaiola
~thandie
~Poly#Crypto

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