[Investigation] Fighting The Account Mafia

[coinerer]

I rarely meet investors at an already respectful age - more than 45. I think that people at this age either no longer think about such investments, or I just don’t know such investments.

Yes i been more then 45 years people using btc and investing on btc a much more. Because in this time they are in charge of a family so they are more inclined to seek income .so they take different approaches . And they lean towards Bitcoin
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6042/60422506.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6042/60429095.html

I mean here that in my opinion people above age 45 use Bitcoin more. Here I am not saying that I have been using Bitcoin for 45 years. It was my typing mistake. How can I use bitcoin for 45 years where bitcoin has been created for 13 years and my age is 27


Note : If this account is sold or hacked then this account must be reset reset password by email or change password in normal way. Have you got any such evidence? Why wouldn't anyone buy an account and change the password for that account? Or how can a hacker get access to an account without resetting the password?

[lovesmayfamilis]

Note : If this account is sold or hacked then this account must be reset reset password by email or change password in normal way. Have you got any such evidence? Why wouldn't anyone buy an account and change the password for that account? Or how can a hacker get access to an account without resetting the password?

That was not the question. Did you buy this account? Are you also ready to prove that you were previously a miner and were a fan of the Quark coin?
For some reason, I'm pretty sure you're not the original owner of this account.
Your English has deteriorated. How do you explain it? And also how do you explain writing such posts, having a very good experience in cryptocurrency behind your back?



No need to tell me how accounts are bought, while neither the password nor the mail changes, this is an old trick.

How I was stupid. Grin

https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6042/60422506.html

[coinerer]

That was not the question. Did you buy this account? Are you also ready to prove that you were previously a miner and were a fan of the Quark coin?
For some reason, I'm pretty sure you're not the original owner of this account.
Your English has deteriorated. How do you explain it? And also how do you explain writing such posts, having a very good experience in cryptocurrency behind your back?



No need to tell me how accounts are bought, while neither the password nor the mail changes, this is an old trick.

I'm not here to argue with you. You are one of the wisest person on this forum. Maybe I don't have the knowledge to argue with you. But I want to say that the access to this account is still with the original owner. Accepting it is a personal matter of your. I don't want to say much about it

How I was stupid. Grin

https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6042/60422506.html

foolish, stupid, mindless, goofy, dopey We usually use these words as adjectives. So, from there i  was used a word   

[hZti]

Note : If this account is sold or hacked then this account must be reset reset password by email or change password in normal way. Have you got any such evidence? Why wouldn't anyone buy an account and change the password for that account? Or how can a hacker get access to an account without resetting the password?

As I was going through your bitcointalk post history I could see that in the past you have participated in many coin giveaways also of very popular coins like Litcoin and Dogecoin. Also you seem to have mined Litecoin wich makes me think that this could be the one wallet you would keep the private key most likely. If you could simply make a transaction with an address that was posted on the forum it could easily proof that you are the original owner. Otherwise I kind of feel the same, that the style of writing is not the same anymore, but that can have many different reasons.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Otherwise I kind of feel the same, that the style of writing is not the same anymore, but that can have many different reasons.

Can you please tell me how to change the writing style from good to bad, while remaining the same person ? Besides, why? And as a result of getting so many deleted posts?

Yes, I did not find a single wallet in his history from which he could prove his authenticity, but from his first posts, you can see the speech of a person who did not learn about cryptocurrencies yesterday. And the second owner, and I am sure that he is the second, dreams of only one thing, to gamble to get rich , or rather, to participate in subscription companies, and stupidly fill the required number of posts

[hZti]

Otherwise I kind of feel the same, that the style of writing is not the same anymore, but that can have many different reasons.

Can you please tell me how to change the writing style from good to bad, while remaining the same person ? Besides, why? And as a result of getting so many deleted posts?

I don't say that it is likely that it is the same person but I think we can not simply say his writing style changed and therefore we ruin the reputation of the account by creating a flag or give neg trust. You have to consider that he left the forum for 8 (!) years. There can be a lot going on in this time. It is not that I think he is the same person, but I think there is a slight chance. So I would give him the opportunity to proof himself.



What is shady as fuck again is that he posts in the same time like other sold/hacked accounts. This makes me think all the accounts are owned by the same person or group.

[notscam]

This account has been sold, please investigate
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668651

[hZti]

This account has been sold, please investigate
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668651

Since you don't give any more details and also do not reply here or via PM there is no possibility to investigate this. I appreciate the input but with this low effort there is simply no use in it.

[Rikafip]

Since you don't give any more details and also do not reply here or via PM there is no possibility to investigate this. I appreciate the input but with this low effort there is simply no use in it.

This user is known for baseless accusations so don't expect him providing any info why he thinks that account changed hands. For him its enough to someone change the email address (like in this case) to think that account has been sold, while people can do that for myriad of reasons.

[_BlackStar]

This user is known for baseless accusations so don't expect him providing any info why he thinks that account changed hands. For him its enough to someone change the email address (like in this case) to think that account has been sold, while people can do that for myriad of reasons.

Parodium has tagged the user for the same reason even though the tag is untrusted at this time. I don't know what caused him to flag that user ^{[no reference],} but from 2021 to 2022 this user has changed his password 3 times and now his email has changed.




It might be good if he signed bitcoin messages to prove ownership of the account, but I don't think I would suspect more people because of password and email changes unless their posting patterns change drastically.

But you guys definitely want to see this one.

So, Docnaster is certainly alt of spiker777?

Yes, it probably doesn't have an original owner. Look at this accusation.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg17186132#msg17186132


And after that, we see the same picture. The account offers itself as collateral.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1801894.msg17951246#msg17951246

Further, the style of speech changes. Previously, the owner was from the Philippines and had poor English. But in March 2018, English changes, and most interestingly, wallet numbers are also edited on the same day, March 24, 2018.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1680832.msg16879153#msg16879153
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1589966.msg16233968#msg16233968
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1645630.msg16561846#msg16561846
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1661862.msg16723212#msg16723212


But DarkStar quotes the message, and we see which address was hidden.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1661862.msg16731559#msg16731559

I will not say 100 percent, but whoever reads the posts of Parodium, will find a special similarity to what Docnaster writes.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192382.msg52750820#msg52750820

And today I can say that Docnaster is evading the ban, even though he is not active at this time.

Ban evasion.
Prettygirl01315 Autoban user
Docnaster

1J8wuBfkzQ4X91q5NU6EVxp5abeUEZhnDP

Name : Docnaster
Rank : Sr. Member
Post Count : 521
BTCitcoin Address : 1J8wuBfkzQ4X91q5NU6EVxp5abeUEZhnDP
 
Let me know when accepted so i will put signature.

Then this one too.

Btctalk Name : Sponsoredby15
Rank : Full Member
Current post count : 740 +1
Btc address : 37sKu6AvJveFDH6pBSFKVB8DeNwR5PVHtk
Wearing Avatar  : Yes

Hi can anyone lend me?

Loan amount: 0.04 BTC
Interest: 25%
BTC address: 37sKu6AvJveFDH6pBSFKVB8DeNwR5PVHtk
Reason: Gambling
Term length: 10 DAYS or earlier!
Collateral: My bitcointalk account?

[Rikafip]

But you guys definitely want to see this one.

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Well that's another story, and looks like @Docnaster is at least guilty of ban evasion. I am surprised to see that he hasn't been banned already since lovesmayfamilies found that connection with banned account  year ago. Maybe the fact that he hasn't been active at that moment saved him for getting banned, but now that he is active once again I expect it to happen very soon.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Another hacked or sold account. User: topman21
And, interestingly, this account had three owners in its history.

The first owner wrote in the Indonesian and English sections.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781854.msg9165417#msg9165417
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781854.msg9254710#msg9254710

Kayaknya kalo terjadi masalah sprt itu mesti tunggu ada laporan invalid atau failed gan, tapi kalo misalkan kita salah masukin no hp org lain itu menjadi resiko kita, pulsa gak masuk dan btc ilang.

Then the language of the posts changes to Russian. In May 2015, posts abruptly change the language to Russian
Russian language continues until April 2019

У мeня пpaвилo - нe oдaлживaть никoмy, пoтoм нaдeгaeшьcя... нo и caм в дoлг нe бepy никoгдa, пpeдпoчитaю кaк тo пepeтoптaтьcя бeз тoгo, чтo бы быть кoмy тo дoлжным.

In April 2022, the account wakes up and immediately submits participation in the bounty.
The Russian language has been completely absent since then
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5392829.msg59741515#msg59741515

And today's last owner, a top-level spammer, writes in bad English. Neither Russian nor Indonesian is found anymore.

There are bitcoin addresses that the owner of this account can verify. In this case, we can believe that he is a polyglot and speaks several languages ​​at the same time.

For now, I'll give it a negative tag.

1K2GGuftuPy66osyBxeyi4jQnDJdTXd9g3
1EAtusRpoPpte1nV3g8Pe39HvFLMSCcmfq
 18i7KudaH8xWnCbNyN48sk4teSsbrjesZr

[_BlackStar]

Well that's another story, and looks like @Docnaster is at least guilty of ban evasion. I am surprised to see that he hasn't been banned already since lovesmayfamilies found that connection with banned account  year ago. Maybe the fact that he hasn't been active at that moment saved him for getting banned, but now that he is active once again I expect it to happen very soon.

I also don't understand why the mod hasn't banned that user since the report was made. I just think the available evidence might still make it difficult for mods to make a decision and they want to follow it up on a case by case basis.

But now, lovemayfamilis has tagged it. Should there be more tags, or maybe someone should report them again?

[jkoil2022]

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I also don't understand why the mod hasn't banned that user since the report was made. I just think the available evidence might still make it difficult for mods to make a decision and they want to follow it up on a case by case basis.


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I am in the same side in that issue: I suggested that accounts could be frozen, but it seems that the evidences are not enough to such an operation. I guess it must be in that way to avoid some kind of teasing and interference (making wrong accusations against someone).

Anyway, there could be some phase in the investigation, where the evidences are enough to freeze the account (partially), though the final result/decision is not yet made. Ofc, depending on the tech capabilities of the BTT databases (rollback etc), the freezing may be needless.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't say that it is likely that it is the same person but I think we can not simply say his writing style changed and therefore we ruin the reputation of the account by creating a flag or give neg trust.

Oh, I've done that in the past without remorse and would do it again if I found someone who wrote perfect English in 2013 but is now barely coherent and participating in a bounty in 2022.  There's no way you can go from proper use of a language to barely knowing how to structure sentences, spell, use grammar, etc. (aside from a stroke or something like that, but that would be so rare on this forum that Occam's Razor would guide my paint gun with ease).

You've been here since 2013, so you ought to know a deterioration in language combined with a long absence is a dead giveaway that an account has changed hands, either through a sale or a hack.  It's happened many times.

[topman21]

Another hacked or sold account. User: topman21
And, interestingly, this account had three owners in its history.

The first owner wrote in the Indonesian and English sections.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781854.msg9165417#msg9165417
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781854.msg9254710#msg9254710

Kayaknya kalo terjadi masalah sprt itu mesti tunggu ada laporan invalid atau failed gan, tapi kalo misalkan kita salah masukin no hp org lain itu menjadi resiko kita, pulsa gak masuk dan btc ilang.

Then the language of the posts changes to Russian. In May 2015, posts abruptly change the language to Russian
Russian language continues until April 2019

У мeня пpaвилo - нe oдaлживaть никoмy, пoтoм нaдeгaeшьcя... нo и caм в дoлг нe бepy никoгдa, пpeдпoчитaю кaк тo пepeтoптaтьcя бeз тoгo, чтo бы быть кoмy тo дoлжным.

In April 2022, the account wakes up and immediately submits participation in the bounty.
The Russian language has been completely absent since then
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5392829.msg59741515#msg59741515

And today's last owner, a top-level spammer, writes in bad English. Neither Russian nor Indonesian is found anymore.

There are bitcoin addresses that the owner of this account can verify. In this case, we can believe that he is a polyglot and speaks several languages ​​at the same time.

For now, I'll give it a negative tag.

1K2GGuftuPy66osyBxeyi4jQnDJdTXd9g3
1EAtusRpoPpte1nV3g8Pe39HvFLMSCcmfq
 18i7KudaH8xWnCbNyN48sk4teSsbrjesZr

Dear Sir, Why did you give me negative feedback, I am the owner of this account. An account owner posting in multiple languages ​​does not make the account owner multiple. Any member of this forum can express his opinion in any language. There is no rule in this forum that a forum user cannot use more than one language. Please remove your negative feedback. I have already suffered huge losses due to negative feedback. You pick up the negative feedback after looking at my overall condition.


I use multiple languages, so will this account have multiple owners? I humble request you to remove my negative feedback and give me a chance to be active and cooperative on the forum regularly.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[lovesmayfamilis]

I use multiple languages, so will this account have multiple owners? I humble request you to remove my negative feedback and give me a chance to be active and cooperative on the forum regularly.

I don't think it will benefit the forum. This is a very bad idea. If you just look at those "useful" posts that have been deleted.





In addition, I gave you the wallet addresses that were in the history of your posts. You can sign a message from any of them.
There is no problem with posting in different languages, but something with every move in all your languages is very "lame."

[topman21]

I use multiple languages, so will this account have multiple owners? I humble request you to remove my negative feedback and give me a chance to be active and cooperative on the forum regularly.

I don't think it will benefit the forum. This is a very bad idea. If you just look at those "useful" posts that have been deleted.





In addition, I gave you the wallet addresses that were in the history of your posts. You can sign a message from any of them.
There is no problem with posting in different languages, but something with every move in all your languages is very "lame."

Dear Sir, They were actually addresses of different wallets whose pass-phases have been forgotten which will not be recovered yet. I make a humble request to you to give me an opportunity to take down your feedback and serve you.

[Solosanz]

I use multiple languages, so will this account have multiple owners? I humble request you to remove my negative feedback and give me a chance to be active and cooperative on the forum regularly.

Nope, there's no wrong to speak multiple languages as long as you're really know the language and not using google translate. AFAIK there's few users which speak 3 or more languages in one account. But as you have wrote in Russian and Bahasa Indonesia, I would like an user who're a native Russian and Indonesian could confirm this, does he's wrote in a correct grammar?

Also can you start posting on your local languages (Russia and Indonesia)? Stake allowing to post in local board for 10 posts/week so I think it wouldn't hurt you to write 5 posts in Russia and 5 posts in Indonesia every week. If most of your post got deleted in your local board, then I would think you're a different person. What do you think?

Quoted for reference

Bapak yang terhormat jika Anda ingin mengikuti ujian apa pun, saya bersedia memberikannya. Tapi Anda tidak akan menyakiti saya begitu banyak. Karena saya sudah lama keluar dari forum, saya kadang-kadang bergabung. Banyak orang mengira bahwa pemiliknya telah berubah, tetapi sebenarnya saya adalah pemilik akun ini, itu 100% benar. Tolong hapus umpan balik negatif saya.

Увaжaeмый cэp, я пoлyчил мнoгo нeгaтивныx oтзывoв в пpoшлoм, нo пoвepьтe мнe, я влaдeлeц этoгo aккayнтa. Tы мoжeшь пoдвepгнyть мeня любoмy иcпытaнию, кaкoe зaxoчeшь. Ho чтo бы вы ни дeлaли, я нacтoящий влaдeлeц этoгo aккayнтa Пoэтoмy пpoшy yдaлить мoй нeгaтивный oтзыв. Этo пpинeceт мнe мнoгo пoльзы. Haкoнeц я ocтaвил cвoю пpocьбy c блaгoдapнocтью.

[_BlackStar]

Dear Sir, They were actually addresses of different wallets whose pass-phases have been forgotten which will not be recovered yet.

I understand that someone can easily lose access to their bitcoin address when they don't practice good security for their wallet. Device damage, forgotten passwords or anything else can happen especially when they no longer consider the address important to keep long term. But basically they don't realize that the bitcoin address they used in the past will be very useful to prove account ownership if one day the account is hacked or accused of having changed hands as you are experiencing today.

You have multiple bitcoin wallets, so look for a solution if you actually own this account:

Code:

13dhSc4biPca5r74g4X2K5Uwe3FVs4FhKt
1K2GGuftuPy66osyBxeyi4jQnDJdTXd9g3
18i7KudaH8xWnCbNyN48sk4teSsbrjesZr
1EAtusRpoPpte1nV3g8Pe39HvFLMSCcmfq
1431zVTbPfBCKMCeCS7FAmcXkF3egZGkqr
1VVfW8v1fMF2YvhXHZ3ydJq8iF7hfmsfo

But maybe it can be considered if you can really prove that you are the owner of this one twitter.

Twitter - https://twitter.com/TopmanBitcoin
Twit - https://twitter.com/TopmanBitcoin/status/760256433661308928

1VVfW8v1fMF2YvhXHZ3ydJq8iF7hfmsfo

Tweet, Retweet and Follow!
Thanks!