My View on Brand-Newbies to Legendary Members in the Forum

[aysg76]

What about those Legendary members who never got single merit, and who reached their rank by classic shitposting before there was a merit system? Rank has never been nor will it be a relevant measure of how important someone is on the forum, regardless of the fact that many beginners (but also you who are a little more experienced) look at these things from a different perspective.

That's what I also said that there are many legendary member who have not earned single merit after the merit system introduction back in 2018 by @theymos as they were ranking up based on only activity writing the shitposts but after that many left the forum while others who have joined some campaigns back are still spamming up the forum.So they are legendary by rank only and don't have any knowledge about bitcoin stuff.

While some newbies have managed to earn good number of merits in small span of time contributing well to the forum and have adequate knowledge about market whether technical or non technical so how do the @OP classify them under the mentioned perspective? So for me if you have zeal to learn and exchange knowledge on the forum you can have perpetual growth and these reactions won't matter a lot.

If we are going to go into technical details, there are higher bodies than Legendary in the sense that we have admins, global moderators, moderators, and other staff.
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[Iroh]

Just like that? Is this the way you accused people, or the topic or the content is confusing? Mate I believe you became a legendary member based on your hardworking and you deserved (merited) to be. You did not jump or buy your legendary membership level. And I also believe that you passed through all the stage mentioned by the OP. That is you have small knowledge at least for all the stages even. Let me give you an illustration for more understanding. If a student graduate from a university with a first class honored degree and a year one student asked him a question from his field, and the graduate said he doesn't know, what do you think the junior student will feel? Although they are some junior students that are doing second degree in the same University with different course. Therefore, they might have knowledge more than the graduate.

Lastly: I believe you are a graduate of University. Not really sure, but probability formula is used.  When you were in school. Lecturers did not make you laugh in any day? And also be serious about his Teaching as well? Why the accusation of merit begging? A good teacher makes his students to laugh, tell them fictional stories at some times to make the class lively and also to remove boring from the students. Any how a teacher is knowledgeable, there are time his class are bore, so good teacher would detect very fast and give them story to mup up. The OP analogy might not be true because he or she was not around when the merit system has not been introduced, so he didn't know what was happening by then but the thread might also be correct from the structural analysis.

The thread is even based on the structural analysis. Not on Personality. Personally I know that they are some legendary newbies in the forum. I have been making comments on that issue time without number, there are some threads a newbie would create that is very good. I am not begging for merit please.

I think you got irritated with what was said and went on to give a short essay explaining your original post and how it shouldn’t be viewed as a merit begging post.
One would think you wouldn’t have the urge to explain yourself if it really isn’t a merit fishing post. But what do I know? I’m just a freshman in “our college”

[Smartvirus]

Forum is mixture for brand new, newbies to Hero and Legendary members. There is no difference between brand new and newbie members. Only one post and one activity point are not enough to make difference between them.

I don't consider the Brand new account branding first a rank. Given that anyone could attain that and quickly move past that to being a newbie and as such, it doesn't count.

About the thread, well there might be a lot of things that we might not agree with in respect to the content and OP's views on the ranks and categorisations, at least, its the OP's views and he's not entirely wrong but, the truth to the later is, its not the same for every user of the forum. Given that,

We've got newbie as alt accounts,
We got ranked users as bought accounts (some might previously be members of full members that jumps to buy higher ranks)
Some might just have been affiliated with other crypto sites far before they joined up on the forum.

Of course these people don't fit in on his categorisation and I think it's the same for the actual university for which OP writs this analogy.
There are categories not considered or recognised in the school systems but they still exists.

The only course for wonder is, for what purpose might this be!

[Dunamisx]

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Some things were not achieved by ranks and position, it has to be base on real live experience, what you know may be nothing to write about when compared to other people's experience, some newbie were truly newbie only to the forum rank but experienced users in the reality world, then also let me say this that we have some individuals differences in level of assimilation when it comes to learning, sone newbie can be quick and fast as possible in learning a new thing and within a little time they can grow fast and adapt to the level of an experienced user.

[isaac_clarke22]

I respect your view, OP since you mentioned anyway that that is how you see this forum, a university. I just hope that your view won't establish a superiority complex based on rank to every users in here. Some newbies/lower forum ranks in a thread that I had participated in were far more experienced than me at some niche in crypto, and I respect that they have more experience than me since that is their niche anyway.

[Wakate]

I don't really get what op is trying to portray but I think staying here on Bitcointalk for a long time does not make you look like you have pass through the necessary level in education even though the person is a legendary. Learning is a choice and I know that there are many persons that had been here for long probably for signature campaign benefits but still don't know much about this forum or Bitcoin. This is not a school nor a place to learn the major things about the Bitcoin  and it network. The forum is majorly for the discussion of Bitcoin not a learning specific site.

[Mpamaegbu]

Interesting perspective .

Year 1 and 2 should read and learn from their senior colleagues

Although, the above isn't necessarily true. There's plenty of examples of newer users being more knowledgeable than their seniors.

In addition to all you've said, OP should also know that not every new registered member is a true newbie. There are some who have been here a long time with vast knowledge of how the system works and decided to get an alt to test the ranking up hurdles or for any other reason. It's the same way some graduates enrol in other institutions or courses to switch it go higher. You can't compare their knowledge level with those of fresh students in the same field.

This is not a school nor a place to learn the major things about the Bitcoin  and it network. The forum is majorly for the discussion of Bitcoin not a learning specific site.

Really? You truly think so? Well, I see here as a school. In fact, a tertiary institution. You may say it's not a formal kind of school but it's definitely a school. Haven't you heard of online schools? For me, virtually everything I've come to learn about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency is from here. I believe it's the same for most users here too.

[Daniel91]

OP, I'm not really sure that this forum can be compared to an educational institution and that a higher rank always means more knowledge and experience.
I personally know one owner of a crypto company, who just recently registered on this forum and is still a newbie member, but he has more knowledge and experience in the crypto industry than most legenday members on this forum.
Forum rank only shows the moment someone joined this forum and nothing more, especially for members who joined before the introduction of the merit system.
One's level of crypto knowledge does not depend on seniority on this forum but on one's own learning and investment.

[Pmalek]

And then from time to time, we get people like n0nce. A youngling in forum rank, but certainly not in knowledge, experience, and logic.
All people have certain qualities and things they are good at, and then there are the things they don't excel in. There are legendary members on this forum capable of solving or finding the best solution to almost any Bitcoin-related problem, but there are also those who have no idea how to do it. But they are still good at other things. So the rank doesn't always matter.   

[Agbe]

Learning is a choice and I know that there are many persons that had been here for long probably for signature campaign benefits but still don't know much about this forum or Bitcoin.

You sounded like one. Yes I know there are a lot of users that are not interested anything concerning learning and education, and that is not good. I hope there are two cardinal points in this forum.
1. To learn: If you have not known bitcoin before and you registered in this forum, then you have to learn what is bitcoin from knowledgeable users to improve yourself. You don't know bitcoin before and you come here yet you are not learning. Then what is the purpose of joining the Forum? From this your comment...let me reserve my comment
2. Educate: If you have learned or you know it before coming to this forum you have to educate others to know. And all these processes are part of education. So which one are you?

This is not a school nor a place to learn the major things about the Bitcoin  and it network. The forum is majorly for the discussion of Bitcoin not a learning specific site.

Ahaha!!! Then what are you doing here? I really don't understand your reason of being here. That means you have not learned anything here. Probably you have knowledge on bitcoin but you are not interested to teach others because the forum is not for educating people. As for me I see the forum as an institution because I have learned a lot from it and still learning to teach my students.

[uchegod-21]

And then from time to time, we get people like n0nce. A youngling in forum rank, but certainly not in knowledge, experience, and logic.
All people have certain qualities and things they are good at, and then there are the things they don't excel in. There are legendary members on this forum capable of solving or finding the best solution to almost any Bitcoin-related problem, but there are also those who have no idea how to do it. But they are still good at other things. So the rank doesn't always matter.   

Every new commer in the forum always pay respect and much attention to rank. And it is normal so, and that is how it is supposed to be. Until you begin to enter higher ranks and know that there is little or no difference between you and others.
The major difference is purpose and interest to the forum. But then it is nice to understand that almost all the great members of this forum are from Hero to Legendary. So it takes time and experience to be very proficient in the forum.

[Dunamisx]

Some newbies/lower forum ranks in a thread that I had participated in were far more experienced than me at some niche in crypto, and I respect that they have more experience than me since that is their niche anyway.

Let's even forget about ranks here for the fact that someone knows better than you is your senior regardless of age or post, pride is what makes some think they can't kearn even from the junior ones around them, but they have forgotten that learning has no limit, it's a continuous process that can be acquired from any level or source.

This is not a school nor a place to learn the major things about the Bitcoin  and it network. The forum is majorly for the discussion of Bitcoin not a learning specific site

Mate there's no boundaries to how far you can go in learning, the forum is quite right mainly for bitcoin discussion and other discussion were just additional services that could also make learning out of the bitcoin which is the main target, being conversant with the forum alone is a learning process though it may be unconscious, aren't we learning from different boards discussion here on the forum? Of course we all do.

[BIT-BENDER]

Let’s all be practical here we know some people are here not for the rank or what the benefits attached to ranks are, but purely for the knowledge I think we should also entertain that. Although I can’t deny the fact that I enjoy the benefits attached to ranking up but if any one decides that they only want to come in here for the knowledge purposes we should encourage that and also give others that believe too. Many newbies are taught at an early stage or before they come to the house that the house is all about earning.

[Gosgosking]

Your view may be true but the first year or let's say newbie year is not just what you expected because not all newbies are laterally newbies some newbies here in the forum are more knowledgeable than senior members here.  Or what  _act_ says that there's a chance that a Legendary or even hero member ranks can create alt account so we can not say that all newbies we encountered is laterally new in crypto.

Same thing in the higher institutions,  not all year 1 students are new to be in year 1, some first year students already have got their first degree in a different field.  It is the same here in the forum, not all newbies are new to bitcoin and cryptocurrencies,  some have already been in a cryptocurrency platform before they discovered bitcointalk forum.

[Agbe]

I think My View on Brand-Newbies to Legendary Members in the Forum is very much correct from the educational perspective. Because I observed and read through the different comments made by Newbies to the Legendary members,I came to the conclusion from what I have said here is also happened in the real life tertiary education. Yes most people are saying that there are some newbies that in the forum are more knowledgeable than even some legendary, yes I agree with that. That also the same with national universities. Some year one student in real life situation are not year one or newbie in the system. They can even correct lecturer. Yet they are newbies. They obey the system rules.

I have seen the various view points of the thread. now I want to ask a question and I need everyone to answer the question from their point of view. Now because some of the newbies are more knowledgeable than some the legendary member so they will not obey the newbie rules in the forum? As for me a newbie is always a newbie even though the  face behind the account is a legendary, he is still a newbie. Though he might know all the rules in the forum but he would still attend the classes of newbies and also does all newbies activities to rank up. Even though he bought a coper member, he will still obey.

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[Shamm]

Your view may be true but the first year or let's say newbie year is not just what you expected because not all newbies are laterally newbies some newbies here in the forum are more knowledgeable than senior members here.  Or what  _act_ says that there's a chance that a Legendary or even hero member ranks can create alt account so we can not say that all newbies we encountered is laterally new in crypto.

Same thing in the higher institutions,  not all year 1 students are new to be in year 1, some first year students already have got their first degree in a different field.  It is the same here in the forum, not all newbies are new to bitcoin and cryptocurrencies,  some have already been in a cryptocurrency platform before they discovered bitcointalk forum.

Exactly that's what I mean and in additional a real newbie must do is to learn first because the true weapon is knowledge we can not reach higher ranks if we are one of those spammers and shitposter here in the forum. Maybe some other newbies can not adjust in short period of time but in the end of the day for sure if a user will dedicated and have a goal without further year for sure we can do it and reach what others already achieve.

[isaac_clarke22]

Some newbies/lower forum ranks in a thread that I had participated in were far more experienced than me at some niche in crypto, and I respect that they have more experience than me since that is their niche anyway.

Let's even forget about ranks here for the fact that someone knows better than you is your senior regardless of age or post, pride is what makes some think they can't kearn even from the junior ones around them, but they have forgotten that learning has no limit, it's a continuous process that can be acquired from any level or source.

Yeah that was what I was trying to pinpoint. In fact there are those prideful people that are "snowflake" just because someone was "lower in rank by the system" corrects them by their mistake. There is always something to learn new out there and regardless anyway, someone would always be "senior" or more knowledgeable than you.

[Dunamisx]

Some newbies/lower forum ranks in a thread that I had participated in were far more experienced than me at some niche in crypto, and I respect that they have more experience than me since that is their niche anyway.

Let's even forget about ranks here for the fact that someone knows better than you is your senior regardless of age or post, pride is what makes some think they can't kearn even from the junior ones around them, but they have forgotten that learning has no limit, it's a continuous process that can be acquired from any level or source.

Yeah that was what I was trying to pinpoint. In fact there are those prideful people that are "snowflake" just because someone was "lower in rank by the system" corrects them by their mistake. There is always something to learn new out there and regardless anyway, someone would always be "senior" or more knowledgeable than you.

Although we shouldn't take this too personal because with time everyone of us will also finds our self in their shoes as well, now what will be our own reaction when the turn comes on us, I don't really know if what was meant by the adage that "power tussles" is a correct interpretation to this scenario or not, is it embedded with ranks, position and money to exhibit pride in whosoever is in the position with these three subjects mentioned? We need to be careful not to be the victim of the same thing we preach against.

[JoyMarsha]

It's interesting.. Seeing how you group every rank into a structural analogy. When I was new to this forum as a newbie, I always have this mindset that those higher than me in rank are my seniors. Their opinions or suggestions are final but as time goes on, I came to realize that we all have the same equal rights and thoughts about crypto-related topics no matter our ranks. Suggestions from anyone are widely accepted irrespective of your rank.

[Rengga Jati]

But in fact, sometimes, a newbie brand is not a newbie. We don't know the people behind the accounts, so the brand may be a newbie but the people may not newbie enough.
Btw if normally, newbies will start learning in college to be able to get more knowledge and rise up the rank.
But, mostly, newbies are not interested in the knowledge, they come to the college and then ask how to get a job here and how to get money here, while they have nothing to do.
In this case, whatever the opinion, this is about the process, how people or members here in this forum is doing our process in this forum.
But, why it is about called an allumni? Whereas, many members that have been even in Legendary, they are still learning here, because there may be something new again here, and they are not finished here yet. Still in this forum, means still in the college.