[Boxing]: Shakur Stevenson vs Robson Conceicao - Sept 23

[Kasabus]

I prefer to just see him keep fighting champs for a title, he could start with Tank.

I think he will have a problem against Tank, this champion is fast and aggressive at the same time, this should be a great fight but honestly, if that will happen, I'd probably back Tank to win on the battle.

And he is ready to accept that challenge though, that's why he keeps calling on Tank Davis and even was present in Davis fight against Romero and there are a lot of interviews of him after that fight telling the public that Davis and him will make a good fight.

But first he shouldn't play down Robson here, he is a good fighter, maybe that as elite as Stevenson, but he could have his moments in this fight just like what he did against Oscar Valdez. Unfortunately, Robson lost that one, but he can still redeem himself if he upset Shakur in his hometown but the odds is very small.

This will be very exciting to see soon because there's lots of boxers now who are looking forward to have a fight with Tank Davis, not sure though if who will be the first one to have the chance, is it Shakur or Garcia? Well, for now let's see if Shakur will retain his belt because Robson is not that easy to conquer as their records is not that far to compare but Shakur here is much younger so I can see that he can adjust more.

For sure it seems that Garcia will be the likely candidate, I mean those two wanted to fight each other for a long time now and it's about the right timing as both are coming from a victory.

As compare to Shakur wo is still one weight class below and have to win against a tough Robson And if ever he will win, there are more champions still in his division and he will have to clean it up first before looking for more challenges like going up in weight and chase Tank.

Yes, that will be Ryan Garcia who will have the chance to fight Tank Davis because they both belong in the same division and both of them are now getting interested to have a fight. Unlike Shakur who needed to climb another weight class if he decides to fight Tank Davis, frankly, he's a bit young and early to climb another division just for Tank. He should claim more belts in his own division first.

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[Jating]

I prefer to just see him keep fighting champs for a title, he could start with Tank.

I think he will have a problem against Tank, this champion is fast and aggressive at the same time, this should be a great fight but honestly, if that will happen, I'd probably back Tank to win on the battle.

And he is ready to accept that challenge though, that's why he keeps calling on Tank Davis and even was present in Davis fight against Romero and there are a lot of interviews of him after that fight telling the public that Davis and him will make a good fight.

But first he shouldn't play down Robson here, he is a good fighter, maybe that as elite as Stevenson, but he could have his moments in this fight just like what he did against Oscar Valdez. Unfortunately, Robson lost that one, but he can still redeem himself if he upset Shakur in his hometown but the odds is very small.

This will be very exciting to see soon because there's lots of boxers now who are looking forward to have a fight with Tank Davis, not sure though if who will be the first one to have the chance, is it Shakur or Garcia? Well, for now let's see if Shakur will retain his belt because Robson is not that easy to conquer as their records is not that far to compare but Shakur here is much younger so I can see that he can adjust more.

For sure it seems that Garcia will be the likely candidate, I mean those two wanted to fight each other for a long time now and it's about the right timing as both are coming from a victory.

As compare to Shakur wo is still one weight class below and have to win against a tough Robson And if ever he will win, there are more champions still in his division and he will have to clean it up first before looking for more challenges like going up in weight and chase Tank.

I agree, Shakur should just focus in his current division even if he will manage to defeat Robson here because there are still 2 belts remaining that are in possession of two different champions in the super featherweight. Going against Tank will be a tough challenge for him as we don't know yet if he can still have the same speed and power in the upper weight class.

The only reason why I think that Shakur wanted to test his skills against Tank is that the amount of money that he could earn here.

So maybe he could bypass the 2 remaining belts, as someone said, it's not that important, this boxers will go and maximize every chance they can get to earn millions because their health is always on the line when they fight. Just the question on whether Top Rank can go and talk to Davis team, Floyd or Leonard Ellerbe.

[Baofeng]

^^ Everyone is after the money, no more legacy or pride or try to be called the best in boxing. And of course there are styles as well, styles that make people buy tickets and wanted to see the fighters live to see how good they are like Tank Davis. But then again, boxing politics will stand in our for us fans to see if this fight is going to be made or not. But it's better for Shakur to just take one step at at a time, beat Robson in a dominant fashion like he did against Oscar Valdez and as I have said, go and unify the belts, we've seen Josh Taylor did it this year and Canelo has done that in 168 lbs. He should chase history first, before pursuing money fights.

[stadus]

I prefer to just see him keep fighting champs for a title, he could start with Tank.

I think he will have a problem against Tank, this champion is fast and aggressive at the same time, this should be a great fight but honestly, if that will happen, I'd probably back Tank to win on the battle.

And he is ready to accept that challenge though, that's why he keeps calling on Tank Davis and even was present in Davis fight against Romero and there are a lot of interviews of him after that fight telling the public that Davis and him will make a good fight.

But first he shouldn't play down Robson here, he is a good fighter, maybe that as elite as Stevenson, but he could have his moments in this fight just like what he did against Oscar Valdez. Unfortunately, Robson lost that one, but he can still redeem himself if he upset Shakur in his hometown but the odds is very small.

This will be very exciting to see soon because there's lots of boxers now who are looking forward to have a fight with Tank Davis, not sure though if who will be the first one to have the chance, is it Shakur or Garcia? Well, for now let's see if Shakur will retain his belt because Robson is not that easy to conquer as their records is not that far to compare but Shakur here is much younger so I can see that he can adjust more.

For sure it seems that Garcia will be the likely candidate, I mean those two wanted to fight each other for a long time now and it's about the right timing as both are coming from a victory.

As compare to Shakur wo is still one weight class below and have to win against a tough Robson And if ever he will win, there are more champions still in his division and he will have to clean it up first before looking for more challenges like going up in weight and chase Tank.

I agree, Shakur should just focus in his current division even if he will manage to defeat Robson here because there are still 2 belts remaining that are in possession of two different champions in the super featherweight. Going against Tank will be a tough challenge for him as we don't know yet if he can still have the same speed and power in the upper weight class.

The only reason why I think that Shakur wanted to test his skills against Tank is that the amount of money that he could earn here.

So maybe he could bypass the 2 remaining belts, as someone said, it's not that important, this boxers will go and maximize every chance they can get to earn millions because their health is always on the line when they fight. Just the question on whether Top Rank can go and talk to Davis team, Floyd or Leonard Ellerbe.

For sure he will earn more millions of dollars if he will take on Gervonta Davis compared to the remaining title holders in super featherweight division combined but that is also if Bob Arum can make that fight happen before or after Ryan Garcia take on Davis because Shakur will be at the back of a long queue as Davis is one of the most sought after boxer in their neighboring division.

[Jating]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

[Ziskinberg]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

I feel you mate but we can't do anything about it because that's the reality of their industry and boxing is really an entertainment business after all. Bob Arum and other promoters may be irritating in our eyes because of their styles but they are just trying to make and get every penny they could take because not every time there will be a great boxer in their possession.

As fans, all we can do is try to make some hype so that our much anticipated fights will happen in the future because that's one factor they will look into as they will try to see if that hyped fight will indeed make millions of dollars if they decide to make it happen.

[Baofeng]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

I feel you mate but we can't do anything about it because that's the reality of their industry and boxing is really an entertainment business after all. Bob Arum and other promoters may be irritating in our eyes because of their styles but they are just trying to make and get every penny they could take because not every time there will be a great boxer in their possession.

That is so true, boxing has grown so much in the last 40 years because of the promoters but they bring their tricks as well and this sports becomes a business. The super fight that we all wanting to see might take some time to happen, and worst when either one of them are already in the decline of their career. And then will fight for the money. It's much better if they will fight during their primes, so there will be no discussion as who is the best among them. But promoters will hold this back, create more hype first and when they are no longer at their best, set up the fight. And the fans are going to still show and buy tickets whether live gates and PPV, win-win for the network and promotional company and of course the boxer themselves.

[coin-investor]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

These are promoters' cash cows and they don't want to kill their cash cow so they cherry-picked opponents for their favorite champion, Crawford made the right decision getting out of Bob Arum he cannot give him legacy fights like the one he is working for against his arch-rival Spence, boxers like Canelo who is a free agent is getting the good fights that he wants because he gets rid of these kinds of promoters.

[bittraffic]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

These are promoters' cash cows and they don't want to kill their cash cow so they cherry-picked opponents for their favorite champion, Crawford made the right decision getting out of Bob Arum he cannot give him legacy fights like the one he is working for against his arch-rival Spence, boxers like Canelo who is a free agent is getting the good fights that he wants because he gets rid of these kinds of promoters.

Robson also needs the money, they all need the money otherwise this fight will not materialize. Bob has already rebranded himself for the worse and if you are a hot fighter like Shakur he will give him more fight to fast forward the flow of cash. Make sure as well Shakur will be on the safe side, not killing the cow itself by matching him to someone they know can't beat him.

You can only wish there is an upset because youre too indisposed to bank for Shakur due to the odds.

[Pamadar]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

I feel you mate but we can't do anything about it because that's the reality of their industry and boxing is really an entertainment business after all. Bob Arum and other promoters may be irritating in our eyes because of their styles but they are just trying to make and get every penny they could take because not every time there will be a great boxer in their possession.

As fans, all we can do is try to make some hype so that our much anticipated fights will happen in the future because that's one factor they will look into as they will try to see if that hyped fight will indeed make millions of dollars if they decide to make it happen.

Putting pressure can bring those promoters to a dead end, though they are good at making excuses to attract more fans

to call for the fight that they are aiming to happen, milking cows are always in the last line to make sure that
they will get every money that they can get from the hype of their fighters.

This sport is really a money making venue for everyone. As long as you know how to play the game, money will
flow to your wallet..

[btc_angela]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

These are promoters' cash cows and they don't want to kill their cash cow so they cherry-picked opponents for their favorite champion, Crawford made the right decision getting out of Bob Arum he cannot give him legacy fights like the one he is working for against his arch-rival Spence, boxers like Canelo who is a free agent is getting the good fights that he wants because he gets rid of these kinds of promoters.

And yet we are still waiting for Crawford vs Spence?

But I do agree, Floyd did it, becoming his own manager and I think he set the bar very high when he get out of Bob Arum's contract. And that's where he become Money Mayweather and now fighters are trying to duplicate that blueprint. And so far only Canelo is successful I would say. Not sure if Crawford can do that, he is no longer young, I mean he need to act fast to be able to make millions by his own before he retire.

[Jawhead999]

Robson also needs the money, they all need the money otherwise this fight will not materialize. Bob has already rebranded himself for the worse and if you are a hot fighter like Shakur he will give him more fight to fast forward the flow of cash. Make sure as well Shakur will be on the safe side, not killing the cow itself by matching him to someone they know can't beat him.

You can only wish there is an upset because youre too indisposed to bank for Shakur due to the odds.

Honestly there's no champion on super featherweight can kill Shakur career, I believe Shakur will win the entire fight and become undisputed champion. The reason why Shakur want to fight him is because many people think Robson win against Oscar Valdez, since Shakur already won against Oscar Valdez, then the next is proving if he's better than the these two boxers.

The next thing we will see Shakur fight against the champion on super featherweight division. If he will move up to lightweight division, then he will face many good boxers and could threat his career.

[Yaunfitda]

Robson also needs the money, they all need the money otherwise this fight will not materialize. Bob has already rebranded himself for the worse and if you are a hot fighter like Shakur he will give him more fight to fast forward the flow of cash. Make sure as well Shakur will be on the safe side, not killing the cow itself by matching him to someone they know can't beat him.

You can only wish there is an upset because youre too indisposed to bank for Shakur due to the odds.

Honestly there's no champion on super featherweight can kill Shakur career, I believe Shakur will win the entire fight and become undisputed champion. The reason why Shakur want to fight him is because many people think Robson win against Oscar Valdez, since Shakur already won against Oscar Valdez, then the next is proving if he's better than the these two boxers.

Yes, that is the selling point in this fight, Robson beat Valdez in their fight, although the judges favor Valdez. So the next big fight for him is to go against one of the champion which is Shakur and it's good that Stevenson accepted this fight without any hesitation.

The next thing we will see Shakur fight against the champion on super featherweight division. If he will move up to lightweight division, then he will face many good boxers and could threat his career.

That is the best thing to do with his career, before moving up in weight and call Davis, why not clean up his division first, unify all the belts and then go chase 135 lbs champion.

[stadus]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

These are promoters' cash cows and they don't want to kill their cash cow so they cherry-picked opponents for their favorite champion, Crawford made the right decision getting out of Bob Arum he cannot give him legacy fights like the one he is working for against his arch-rival Spence, boxers like Canelo who is a free agent is getting the good fights that he wants because he gets rid of these kinds of promoters.

And yet we are still waiting for Crawford vs Spence?

But I do agree, Floyd did it, becoming his own manager and I think he set the bar very high when he get out of Bob Arum's contract. And that's where he become Money Mayweather and now fighters are trying to duplicate that blueprint. And so far only Canelo is successful I would say. Not sure if Crawford can do that, he is no longer young, I mean he need to act fast to be able to make millions by his own before he retire.

Yup, there's still no update about that fight yet and I don't even know why takes them so long to announce it if it can happen this year.

There's a lot of boxers who tried to copy Floyd's book as Mayweather is truly clever enough to get the fight he wants and prolong some fights with hypes especially if he's at the disadvantage side. As for Crawford, Bob Arum turned him blind that time and maybe the latter promised Crawford some promising fights for his legacay because he re-signed another contract at that time.

[Vaculin]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

These are promoters' cash cows and they don't want to kill their cash cow so they cherry-picked opponents for their favorite champion, Crawford made the right decision getting out of Bob Arum he cannot give him legacy fights like the one he is working for against his arch-rival Spence, boxers like Canelo who is a free agent is getting the good fights that he wants because he gets rid of these kinds of promoters.

That's already natural in this industry because promoters will try and tease the people first to make some hype before making the fight to reality, along the way the promoters will let their boxers defeat all possible foes first that they think won't stand a chance for their boxers. And for Crawford's case, let's not forget that Bob is also an important factor why he reached the position he had now but Crawford's mistake is that he waited long enough before he leaves Bob even though he already knows that Bob doesn't care for his legacy.

[Cling18]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

These are promoters' cash cows and they don't want to kill their cash cow so they cherry-picked opponents for their favorite champion, Crawford made the right decision getting out of Bob Arum he cannot give him legacy fights like the one he is working for against his arch-rival Spence, boxers like Canelo who is a free agent is getting the good fights that he wants because he gets rid of these kinds of promoters.

That's already natural in this industry because promoters will try and tease the people first to make some hype before making the fight to reality, along the way the promoters will let their boxers defeat all possible foes first that they think won't stand a chance for their boxers. And for Crawford's case, let's not forget that Bob is also an important factor in why he reached the position he had now but Crawford's mistake is that he waited long enough before he leaves Bob even though he already knows that Bob doesn't care for his legacy.

That has been the strategy of Bob Arum over the years. He focuses mostly on how to make money from the boxers that he handles. However, we shouldn't unlike or hate him for that because he also does his part for boxers to create and establish a good career and name in the industry. It's just quite unfair for boxers who are being used and dragged down just to raise the career of their boxers.

[Kasabus]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

These are promoters' cash cows and they don't want to kill their cash cow so they cherry-picked opponents for their favorite champion, Crawford made the right decision getting out of Bob Arum he cannot give him legacy fights like the one he is working for against his arch-rival Spence, boxers like Canelo who is a free agent is getting the good fights that he wants because he gets rid of these kinds of promoters.

That's already natural in this industry because promoters will try and tease the people first to make some hype before making the fight to reality, along the way the promoters will let their boxers defeat all possible foes first that they think won't stand a chance for their boxers. And for Crawford's case, let's not forget that Bob is also an important factor why he reached the position he had now but Crawford's mistake is that he waited long enough before he leaves Bob even though he already knows that Bob doesn't care for his legacy.

We can't really blame them for doing that because we might find ourselves in the same shoes if we were placed in Bob Arum's shoes, well, maybe there's some slight difference but the thing is that we also need to think how to make some money repeatedly because this is business in the first place and not all the time we will have a champion caliber in our promotion, so might be best to take some advantage for it.

[stadus]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

These are promoters' cash cows and they don't want to kill their cash cow so they cherry-picked opponents for their favorite champion, Crawford made the right decision getting out of Bob Arum he cannot give him legacy fights like the one he is working for against his arch-rival Spence, boxers like Canelo who is a free agent is getting the good fights that he wants because he gets rid of these kinds of promoters.

That's already natural in this industry because promoters will try and tease the people first to make some hype before making the fight to reality, along the way the promoters will let their boxers defeat all possible foes first that they think won't stand a chance for their boxers. And for Crawford's case, let's not forget that Bob is also an important factor in why he reached the position he had now but Crawford's mistake is that he waited long enough before he leaves Bob even though he already knows that Bob doesn't care for his legacy.

That has been the strategy of Bob Arum over the years. He focuses mostly on how to make money from the boxers that he handles. However, we shouldn't unlike or hate him for that because he also does his part for boxers to create and establish a good career and name in the industry. It's just quite unfair for boxers who are being used and dragged down just to raise the career of their boxers.

That is a part of the game, if they don't want to be used as an additional trophy in other boxers then they should improve their performance so that they will be the ones who will be using other boxers rather than being used. Makes sense, right?
We may hate Bob Arum for his tricks that might be unfair for his own boxers but he is good at making money while his boxers are also takes some benefit of that style. Truth is that Arum has made plenty boxers to be a big name in the industry and we can't deny that.

[Dave1]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

These are promoters' cash cows and they don't want to kill their cash cow so they cherry-picked opponents for their favorite champion, Crawford made the right decision getting out of Bob Arum he cannot give him legacy fights like the one he is working for against his arch-rival Spence, boxers like Canelo who is a free agent is getting the good fights that he wants because he gets rid of these kinds of promoters.

That's already natural in this industry because promoters will try and tease the people first to make some hype before making the fight to reality, along the way the promoters will let their boxers defeat all possible foes first that they think won't stand a chance for their boxers. And for Crawford's case, let's not forget that Bob is also an important factor in why he reached the position he had now but Crawford's mistake is that he waited long enough before he leaves Bob even though he already knows that Bob doesn't care for his legacy.

That has been the strategy of Bob Arum over the years. He focuses mostly on how to make money from the boxers that he handles. However, we shouldn't unlike or hate him for that because he also does his part for boxers to create and establish a good career and name in the industry. It's just quite unfair for boxers who are being used and dragged down just to raise the career of their boxers.

That is a part of the game, if they don't want to be used as an additional trophy in other boxers then they should improve their performance so that they will be the ones who will be using other boxers rather than being used. Makes sense, right?
We may hate Bob Arum for his tricks that might be unfair for his own boxers but he is good at making money while his boxers are also takes some benefit of that style. Truth is that Arum has made plenty boxers to be a big name in the industry and we can't deny that.

As what we have been saying all along this years, boxing is already a business. Unlike before when we also have a couple of boxer promoters. Now we have a lot, Eddie Hearn started to make himself a name, he used to be just on the British side of boxing, but now he is stateside So there are a lot of competitions that promoters like Bob Arum and even Oscar build their boxers through cherry picking a fight and make it all for the house money.

[Kemarit]

^^ Yes, this is also my point, boxing politics, it just frustrate us boxing fans that this managers and promoters are not giving us the fight that we wanted to see, because after all boxing is business and these people wanted more money, like Bob Arum's style of having fights in-house so that all money will be his and his boxers. So this is going to huge if the fight are going to be made in the future, specially if both of them remain unbeaten and still both champions.

These are promoters' cash cows and they don't want to kill their cash cow so they cherry-picked opponents for their favorite champion, Crawford made the right decision getting out of Bob Arum he cannot give him legacy fights like the one he is working for against his arch-rival Spence, boxers like Canelo who is a free agent is getting the good fights that he wants because he gets rid of these kinds of promoters.

That's already natural in this industry because promoters will try and tease the people first to make some hype before making the fight to reality, along the way the promoters will let their boxers defeat all possible foes first that they think won't stand a chance for their boxers. And for Crawford's case, let's not forget that Bob is also an important factor why he reached the position he had now but Crawford's mistake is that he waited long enough before he leaves Bob even though he already knows that Bob doesn't care for his legacy.

Maybe Arum really did have a good offer that time that's why he stays with him. But now that he is already aged, I mean has the experience already, made a name for himself, so it's about time to have his own decision as who he wants to fight and so he will have total control of his legacy.

So this is going to be Crawford's post-Arum, so let's see how much money he will get (if the numbers are there) and what will be his next move in his career after this one.