[Boxing] Fernando Martinez vs Jerwin Ancajas rematch - Oct.8

[Ziskinberg]

Well, from the point of view of betting, it's something else, but I think that this time Martinez really wants to stand out and from what I've read the boxer has very good technique, at a professional level I'm sure he won't do badly, so I have seen, some give Ancajas the winner, but in my personal opinion Martinez is a clear winner for me, obviously without going through Ancajas's abilities, Martinez is a boxer who for now will be measured with a higher degree of demand, here he can discovering that there is a business model that is impressive, and the statistics are supporting it, I wonder if it goes 3:1 how it will be in less time, will the ratio increase?

On the first fight it was obvious that Martinez was the clear winner, it was not a controversial fight as even the fans of Ancajas believe that Martinez won. Well, we are now in the rematch, I'm just hoping that Ancajas will make the right adjustment so it will not again result in a one sided fight.

No debate on that, Ancajas looks exhausted in that fight, so it's time for him to bounce back by winning the fight. I know it's easier said than done but I still believe that Ancajas is capable of doing that, he work his way to become a champion, he would not give up that easily, and winning here means him becoming a champion once again.

He cannot make another excuse if he will lose in the rematch (this fight), he has to give everything he has in order to get back the belt and be declared as a champion again. He is the hope of the Philippines because we only have few champions, and if there's a Filipino champions, people are more eager to watch the fight which could create unity to the people.

[harizen]

He cannot make another excuse if he will lose in the rematch (this fight), he has to give everything he has in order to get back the belt and be declared as a champion again. He is the hope of the Philippines because we only have few champions, and if there's a Filipino champions, people are more eager to watch the fight which could create unity to the people.

In the recent article I have posted, it's clear that Ancajas is having difficulty maintaining his weight that's why they hired a new nutritionist to help him be in good shape for this rematch. The camp stated that because of how Ancajas struggles to catch the required weight, he becomes not 100% on the fight which should not be a reason why they end up losing.

We need to trust his team as no choice after all but to support him.

[goinmerry]

Just curious here, is anyone from Fernando Martinez's hometown or supporters of him here in this thread?

I know a lot of PH boxing enthusiasts here including me but I don't see yet any supporters for Martinez.

Don't be shy. Share your sentiments here too.

[Fredomago]

He cannot make another excuse if he will lose in the rematch (this fight), he has to give everything he has in order to get back the belt and be declared as a champion again. He is the hope of the Philippines because we only have few champions, and if there's a Filipino champions, people are more eager to watch the fight which could create unity to the people.

In the recent article I have posted, it's clear that Ancajas is having difficulty maintaining his weight that's why they hired a new nutritionist to help him be in good shape for this rematch. The camp stated that because of how Ancajas struggles to catch the required weight, he becomes not 100% on the fight which should not be a reason why they end up losing.

We need to trust his team as no choice after all but to support him.

Supporting him is what the team needed to encourage him to continue working with his weight. That particular issue might bring problems with him, but the determination to win back and recover his belt should be a must. Ancajas needs to adjust and exceed from his limitations to take this rematch. He's a known fighter, and he needs to work it out. By any means, he needs to be there and try to beat Martinez with all the collective strategy that his camp collects and executes.

[Kelvinid]

He cannot make another excuse if he will lose in the rematch (this fight), he has to give everything he has in order to get back the belt and be declared as a champion again. He is the hope of the Philippines because we only have few champions, and if there's a Filipino champions, people are more eager to watch the fight which could create unity to the people.

In the recent article I have posted, it's clear that Ancajas is having difficulty maintaining his weight that's why they hired a new nutritionist to help him be in good shape for this rematch. The camp stated that because of how Ancajas struggles to catch the required weight, he becomes not 100% on the fight which should not be a reason why they end up losing.

We need to trust his team as no choice after all but to support him.

Supporting him is what the team needed to encourage him to continue working with his weight. That particular issue might bring problems with him, but the determination to win back and recover his belt should be a must. Ancajas needs to adjust and exceed from his limitations to take this rematch. He's a known fighter, and he needs to work it out. By any means, he needs to be there and try to beat Martinez with all the collective strategy that his camp collects and executes.

So this could be a similar situation with Casimero where he struggles to maintain his weight, well, if that's the case, and if he loses in this fight, he should think of moving up in weight and trying to start a new journey. I don't wanna make a quick judgment, it's necessary that we have to wait for the result of this fight, and for now, we have to support his decision of a rematch.

[BitcoinPanther]

Supporting him is what the team needed to encourage him to continue working with his weight. That particular issue might bring problems with him, but the determination to win back and recover his belt should be a must. Ancajas needs to adjust and exceed from his limitations to take this rematch. He's a known fighter, and he needs to work it out. By any means, he needs to be there and try to beat Martinez with all the collective strategy that his camp collects and executes.

I watched the first fight and I believe Ancajas can take the punches of Martinez but he is a bit slow both in throwing punches and reflexes that is why he was dominated by Martinez.  In upclose fight, the one with shorter reach has the advantage because he can fully swing his punches while the one with a larger wingspan needs more time to swing his punches due to the bigger radius.  Ancajas must take advantage of his height and reach this time.  He must train throwing jobs and straight and move more than engaging in a brawl.

If Ancajas has problem with meeting the weight limit in his current division, I think he must move up.

[stadus]

Supporting him is what the team needed to encourage him to continue working with his weight. That particular issue might bring problems with him, but the determination to win back and recover his belt should be a must. Ancajas needs to adjust and exceed from his limitations to take this rematch. He's a known fighter, and he needs to work it out. By any means, he needs to be there and try to beat Martinez with all the collective strategy that his camp collects and executes.

I watched the first fight and I believe Ancajas can take the punches of Martinez but he is a bit slow both in throwing punches and reflexes that is why he was dominated by Martinez.  In upclose fight, the one with shorter reach has the advantage because he can fully swing his punches while the one with a larger wingspan needs more time to swing his punches due to the bigger radius.  Ancajas must take advantage of his height and reach this time.  He must train throwing jobs and straight and move more than engaging in a brawl.

He was slow because he got tired, he does not look conditioned in that fight, so this rematch is going to be his last chance to prove that he can still reign in this division. Good thing nowadays that rematch is happening more, especially if the champion losses in a match, so one last chance to get what he thinks he deserves.

If Ancajas has problem with meeting the weight limit in his current division, I think he must move up.

I'm sure he is considering that as his plan, in case he failed again this time.

[robelneo]

Just curious here, is anyone from Fernando Martinez's hometown or supporters of him here in this thread?

I know a lot of PH boxing enthusiasts here including me but I don't see yet any supporters for Martinez.

Don't be shy. Share your sentiments here too.

I'm not a supporter of Martinez, I believe he is an Argentinian we don't know how many Argentinians are actively posting in the gambling discussion, I may not be a supporter but I am an admirer I admire a boxer who is well disciplined and talent-laden and I believe Fernando Martinez is a good talent but of course, I support my countryman Ancajas but I always want the best man to win and the game to be fair so I can accept the result, I admire both boxers but Ancajas has my support.

[Fredomago]

He cannot make another excuse if he will lose in the rematch (this fight), he has to give everything he has in order to get back the belt and be declared as a champion again. He is the hope of the Philippines because we only have few champions, and if there's a Filipino champions, people are more eager to watch the fight which could create unity to the people.

In the recent article I have posted, it's clear that Ancajas is having difficulty maintaining his weight that's why they hired a new nutritionist to help him be in good shape for this rematch. The camp stated that because of how Ancajas struggles to catch the required weight, he becomes not 100% on the fight which should not be a reason why they end up losing.

We need to trust his team as no choice after all but to support him.

Supporting him is what the team needed to encourage him to continue working with his weight. That particular issue might bring problems with him, but the determination to win back and recover his belt should be a must. Ancajas needs to adjust and exceed from his limitations to take this rematch. He's a known fighter, and he needs to work it out. By any means, he needs to be there and try to beat Martinez with all the collective strategy that his camp collects and executes.

So this could be a similar situation with Casimero where he struggles to maintain his weight, well, if that's the case, and if he loses in this fight, he should think of moving up in weight and trying to start a new journey. I don't wanna make a quick judgment, it's necessary that we have to wait for the result of this fight, and for now, we have to support his decision of a rematch.

Well, that's right we need to wait for the result of this upcoming rematch and if worse comes to worse since he is having difficulty with his weight, if he still aiming to continue his career it's better for him to move up and try his luck with the new division. For now, let's hope that he will be able to solve his weight issue and the dietarian who's going to help him will be blend well with his conditioning trainer so it would not affect his preparation.

It's his reputation that in stake here. He was the former champ who'd given a chance to regain his belt. It's a do-or-die for his career now.

Looking to see him in a good shape and be given a good chance to win back the title.

[freedomgo]

Well, from the point of view of betting, it's something else, but I think that this time Martinez really wants to stand out and from what I've read the boxer has very good technique, at a professional level I'm sure he won't do badly, so I have seen, some give Ancajas the winner, but in my personal opinion Martinez is a clear winner for me, obviously without going through Ancajas's abilities, Martinez is a boxer who for now will be measured with a higher degree of demand, here he can discovering that there is a business model that is impressive, and the statistics are supporting it, I wonder if it goes 3:1 how it will be in less time, will the ratio increase?

On the first fight it was obvious that Martinez was the clear winner, it was not a controversial fight as even the fans of Ancajas believe that Martinez won. Well, we are now in the rematch, I'm just hoping that Ancajas will make the right adjustment so it will not again result in a one sided fight.

No debate on that, Ancajas looks exhausted in that fight, so it's time for him to bounce back by winning the fight. I know it's easier said than done but I still believe that Ancajas is capable of doing that, he work his way to become a champion, he would not give up that easily, and winning here means him becoming a champion once again.

He cannot make another excuse if he will lose in the rematch (this fight), he has to give everything he has in order to get back the belt and be declared as a champion again. He is the hope of the Philippines because we only have few champions, and if there's a Filipino champions, people are more eager to watch the fight which could create unity to the people.

That fact alone will be one of the reasons why Ancajas should be more eager to get the belt that was once safe in his possession before he got lost by a first time title challenger, Martinez. Let's just give Ancajas the benefit of the doubt too because having a sudden exchange of opponent will of course make him struggle or any boxer in the industry as Ancajas himself didn't prepared for Martinez.

[stadus]

Just curious here, is anyone from Fernando Martinez's hometown or supporters of him here in this thread?

I know a lot of PH boxing enthusiasts here including me but I don't see yet any supporters for Martinez.

Don't be shy. Share your sentiments here too.

I'm not a supporter of Martinez, I believe he is an Argentinian we don't know how many Argentinians are actively posting in the gambling discussion, I may not be a supporter but I am an admirer I admire a boxer who is well disciplined and talent-laden and I believe Fernando Martinez is a good talent but of course, I support my countryman Ancajas but I always want the best man to win and the game to be fair so I can accept the result, I admire both boxers but Ancajas has my support.

Both of them is good for sure and Martinez deserves some credit in defeating Ancajas in his first title chase because that's not an easy thing to do considering that Ancajas has been holding and defending that belt successfully for years and only Martinez was the one who pulled the victory. Anyway, this time there will be no reasons for Ancajas as he will be training for Martinez alone to take back that belt and bring it back in the Philippines.

[chaser15]

Let's just give Ancajas the benefit of the doubt too because having a sudden exchange of opponent will of course make him struggle or any boxer in the industry as Ancajas himself didn't prepared for Martinez.

We should not point out that Ancajas is not prepared for Martinez where the result didn't not favor the former. Either way, he still prepared since he has an upcoming match. The only difference is he didn't know how Martinez fight but still he prepared. As mentioned by others, Ancajas being not 100% in the fight is because of his struggle to catch the required weight.

We can't conclude that even there's no replacement happened and Ancajas able to push a fight against Kazuto Ioka, he will win on that fight. It's really hard to be at 100% on the day of the fight if the training is just focus on maintaining his weight most of the time.

Ancajas needs to win the rematch really badly and mandatorily in order to get a ticket in fighting Ioka next. If he will lose here, he will surely still struggle if he moved up weight as there are lots of good fighters too at the Bantamweight division that he will face.

[Vaculin]

He cannot make another excuse if he will lose in the rematch (this fight), he has to give everything he has in order to get back the belt and be declared as a champion again. He is the hope of the Philippines because we only have few champions, and if there's a Filipino champions, people are more eager to watch the fight which could create unity to the people.

In the recent article I have posted, it's clear that Ancajas is having difficulty maintaining his weight that's why they hired a new nutritionist to help him be in good shape for this rematch. The camp stated that because of how Ancajas struggles to catch the required weight, he becomes not 100% on the fight which should not be a reason why they end up losing.

We need to trust his team as no choice after all but to support him.

Supporting him is what the team needed to encourage him to continue working with his weight. That particular issue might bring problems with him, but the determination to win back and recover his belt should be a must. Ancajas needs to adjust and exceed from his limitations to take this rematch. He's a known fighter, and he needs to work it out. By any means, he needs to be there and try to beat Martinez with all the collective strategy that his camp collects and executes.

So this could be a similar situation with Casimero where he struggles to maintain his weight, well, if that's the case, and if he loses in this fight, he should think of moving up in weight and trying to start a new journey. I don't wanna make a quick judgment, it's necessary that we have to wait for the result of this fight, and for now, we have to support his decision of a rematch.

He could if that's truly the issue here but let's give Ancajas a second chance to redeem his IBF title belt because he was surely blinded by what happened in their first encounter as he can't really read Martinez's movements at all because the latter was not the one he prepared for months. Let's see for now if there's some difference because this time Ancajas is now sure that he'll be fighting Martinez.

[lionheart78]

That fact alone will be one of the reasons why Ancajas should be more eager to get the belt that was once safe in his possession before he got lost by a first time title challenger, Martinez. Let's just give Ancajas the benefit of the doubt too because having a sudden exchange of opponent will of course make him struggle or any boxer in the industry as Ancajas himself didn't prepared for Martinez.

Definitely, it is an anti-tempo where an opponent has to be changed at the last minute.  Since the boxer needs to scout, prepare a strategy, and put it in the boxer thru training.  The last-minute change of opponent is disastrous to a boxer since he needs to throw away all the initial preparation and input another strategy at the last minute.  Somehow a boxer is accustomed to the initial training regime and has trouble adapting the new strategy for the new opponent.  That may serve as an excuse in the last fight, but it won't be this rematch.  
So I think we will be seeing better Ancajas this time and I hope he can pass the weight limit requirement without any problem.

[Kasabus]

Supporting him is what the team needed to encourage him to continue working with his weight. That particular issue might bring problems with him, but the determination to win back and recover his belt should be a must. Ancajas needs to adjust and exceed from his limitations to take this rematch. He's a known fighter, and he needs to work it out. By any means, he needs to be there and try to beat Martinez with all the collective strategy that his camp collects and executes.

I watched the first fight and I believe Ancajas can take the punches of Martinez but he is a bit slow both in throwing punches and reflexes that is why he was dominated by Martinez.  In upclose fight, the one with shorter reach has the advantage because he can fully swing his punches while the one with a larger wingspan needs more time to swing his punches due to the bigger radius.  Ancajas must take advantage of his height and reach this time.  He must train throwing jobs and straight and move more than engaging in a brawl.

If Ancajas has problem with meeting the weight limit in his current division, I think he must move up.

I echo the same statement with you mate, if Ancajas was really struggling to meet that required weight just like what his camp admitted then I think it's really time for Ancajas to move up in bantamweight after this fight but the challenge if he climb will be much more difficult as boxers in that division as well as the champions is not easy to defeat.

For that, Ancajas must prove that he is suited in this division and defeat Martinez. He have the tools needed and he can also withstand the heavy punches that Martinez is giving.

[Fredomago]

Supporting him is what the team needed to encourage him to continue working with his weight. That particular issue might bring problems with him, but the determination to win back and recover his belt should be a must. Ancajas needs to adjust and exceed from his limitations to take this rematch. He's a known fighter, and he needs to work it out. By any means, he needs to be there and try to beat Martinez with all the collective strategy that his camp collects and executes.

I watched the first fight and I believe Ancajas can take the punches of Martinez but he is a bit slow both in throwing punches and reflexes that is why he was dominated by Martinez.  In upclose fight, the one with shorter reach has the advantage because he can fully swing his punches while the one with a larger wingspan needs more time to swing his punches due to the bigger radius.  Ancajas must take advantage of his height and reach this time.  He must train throwing jobs and straight and move more than engaging in a brawl.

If Ancajas has problem with meeting the weight limit in his current division, I think he must move up.

I echo the same statement with you mate, if Ancajas was really struggling to meet that required weight just like what his camp admitted then I think it's really time for Ancajas to move up in bantamweight after this fight but the challenge if he climb will be much more difficult as boxers in that division as well as the champions is not easy to defeat.

For that, Ancajas must prove that he is suited in this division and defeat Martinez. He have the tools needed and he can also withstand the heavy punches that Martinez is giving.

he have that capabilities to withstand heavy punches from Martinez it's a good advantage from his side and with a good counter punches he can create a good opening and he can take Martinez down, but first he needs to take care of his weight as he can't proceed for this rematch if he still have issue with his weight, the conditioning team should take care of this while he's in training to make sure that his body is fit before the fight.

Let's deal with that potential of moving up to another weight after this fight. The focus should be on this upcoming one

he needs to win to bring back the belt and to hype his name for more money fight that he can earn after this fight.

[Yaunfitda]

Well, from the point of view of betting, it's something else, but I think that this time Martinez really wants to stand out and from what I've read the boxer has very good technique, at a professional level I'm sure he won't do badly, so I have seen, some give Ancajas the winner, but in my personal opinion Martinez is a clear winner for me, obviously without going through Ancajas's abilities, Martinez is a boxer who for now will be measured with a higher degree of demand, here he can discovering that there is a business model that is impressive, and the statistics are supporting it, I wonder if it goes 3:1 how it will be in less time, will the ratio increase?

On the first fight it was obvious that Martinez was the clear winner, it was not a controversial fight as even the fans of Ancajas believe that Martinez won. Well, we are now in the rematch, I'm just hoping that Ancajas will make the right adjustment so it will not again result in a one sided fight.

No debate on that, Ancajas looks exhausted in that fight, so it's time for him to bounce back by winning the fight. I know it's easier said than done but I still believe that Ancajas is capable of doing that, he work his way to become a champion, he would not give up that easily, and winning here means him becoming a champion once again.

He cannot make another excuse if he will lose in the rematch (this fight), he has to give everything he has in order to get back the belt and be declared as a champion again. He is the hope of the Philippines because we only have few champions, and if there's a Filipino champions, people are more eager to watch the fight which could create unity to the people.

That fact alone will be one of the reasons why Ancajas should be more eager to get the belt that was once safe in his possession before he got lost by a first time title challenger, Martinez. Let's just give Ancajas the benefit of the doubt too because having a sudden exchange of opponent will of course make him struggle or any boxer in the industry as Ancajas himself didn't prepared for Martinez.

Yes, that is fair enough, let's see how he can do in the rematch, I mean he saw what he did wrong in the first fight that's why he immediately wanted to fight Martinez again and see a different version of Ancajas, the one that we know of, who can box and beat his opponent to the punch. He also has the speed, but something is really off that night with Ancajas and after the fight he said that he had cramps, but is no excuses. So in the rematch for sure it will be Ancajas at his best because he wanted to get back the belt that he lost and be back on the discussion for a Ioka fight.

[BitcoinPanther]

That fact alone will be one of the reasons why Ancajas should be more eager to get the belt that was once safe in his possession before he got lost by a first time title challenger, Martinez. Let's just give Ancajas the benefit of the doubt too because having a sudden exchange of opponent will of course make him struggle or any boxer in the industry as Ancajas himself didn't prepared for Martinez.

Yes, that is fair enough, let's see how he can do in the rematch, I mean he saw what he did wrong in the first fight that's why he immediately wanted to fight Martinez again and see a different version of Ancajas, the one that we know of, who can box and beat his opponent to the punch. He also has the speed, but something is really off that night with Ancajas and after the fight he said that he had cramps, but is no excuses. So in the rematch for sure it will be Ancajas at his best because he wanted to get back the belt that he lost and be back on the discussion for a Ioka fight.

It is a good thing that Ancajas got a new nutritionist.  Having cramp after a fight mean he is lacking some minerals which is the responsibility of the nutritionist to keep him fully nourished.  The cramp simply shows that he isn't conditioned enough for the fight.  It looks like Ancajas underestimate Martinez in their first fight and he paid the price greatly.  For sure the 1st match is a lesson for Ancajas and will surely adjust his trainings according to what they have learned in the previous fight.

[Yamifoud]

That fact alone will be one of the reasons why Ancajas should be more eager to get the belt that was once safe in his possession before he got lost by a first time title challenger, Martinez. Let's just give Ancajas the benefit of the doubt too because having a sudden exchange of opponent will of course make him struggle or any boxer in the industry as Ancajas himself didn't prepared for Martinez.

Yes, that is fair enough, let's see how he can do in the rematch, I mean he saw what he did wrong in the first fight that's why he immediately wanted to fight Martinez again and see a different version of Ancajas, the one that we know of, who can box and beat his opponent to the punch. He also has the speed, but something is really off that night with Ancajas and after the fight he said that he had cramps, but is no excuses. So in the rematch for sure it will be Ancajas at his best because he wanted to get back the belt that he lost and be back on the discussion for a Ioka fight.

It is a good thing that Ancajas got a new nutritionist.  Having cramp after a fight mean he is lacking some minerals which is the responsibility of the nutritionist to keep him fully nourished.  The cramp simply shows that he isn't conditioned enough for the fight.  It looks like Ancajas underestimate Martinez in their first fight and he paid the price greatly.  For sure the 1st match is a lesson for Ancajas and will surely adjust his trainings according to what they have learned in the previous fight.

It happened once, it should not happen again in this fight, otherwise, it will kill his dream to stay as a champion and win more championships. Ancajas is still young, he can still achieve more, but if he cannot avenge his loss and get back his belt, then I think his journey ahead will be very very hard.

[freedomgo]

That fact alone will be one of the reasons why Ancajas should be more eager to get the belt that was once safe in his possession before he got lost by a first time title challenger, Martinez. Let's just give Ancajas the benefit of the doubt too because having a sudden exchange of opponent will of course make him struggle or any boxer in the industry as Ancajas himself didn't prepared for Martinez.

Definitely, it is an anti-tempo where an opponent has to be changed at the last minute.  Since the boxer needs to scout, prepare a strategy, and put it in the boxer thru training.  The last-minute change of opponent is disastrous to a boxer since he needs to throw away all the initial preparation and input another strategy at the last minute.  Somehow a boxer is accustomed to the initial training regime and has trouble adapting the new strategy for the new opponent.  That may serve as an excuse in the last fight, but it won't be this rematch.  
So I think we will be seeing better Ancajas this time and I hope he can pass the weight limit requirement without any problem.

Certainly right! It's really hard to win for an opponent that you haven't prepared for while that same foe has been preparing for you for months and has been waiting if there's some back-up needed. As for Ancajas case, it's understandable why he got lost too but his other issue was different because he had a hard time meeting the required weight, his camp admitted that.

Anyway, there are too many reasons regarding their first encounter and why Ancajas lost. This time, he has a chance to prove that Martinez just got lucky that time and I hope that Ancajas will get that belt again so that he can fight Ioka next and settle the unfinished business.