[Boxing] Fernando Martinez vs Jerwin Ancajas rematch - Oct.8

[harizen]

It's not that Martinez is not good, but we think that it was just a fluke win and Jerwin should have won the first fight in there is no problem on his side. (I might be biased here, hehehe).

Actually, it's not a biased comment just because we are supporting Ancajas here.

It should be noted that even though Ancajas is struggling the whole fight because of that overtraining he did just to reach the required weight, he was able to finish the 12-round fight against the much healthier Martinez and the result ended up in the decision.

It's a landslide win for Martinez, not even close, 117-111, 118-111, 118-111. I hope Ancajas will turn that scorecard in favor of him on their rematch. Much better if Ancajas will win via TKO. That would be sweet revenge.

[goinmerry]

Martinez turned Ancajas into a punching bag during their 1st meeting.

That was a horrible experience title defense of Ancajas in the whole history of his boxing career. He managed to survive the fight and avoid being knockout.

Since Ancajas knows the problem, they immediately work on it just a few days before this fight was announced officially. I hope their efforts will be paid off.

[Japinat]

It's not that Martinez is not good, but we think that it was just a fluke win and Jerwin should have won the first fight in there is no problem on his side. (I might be biased here, hehehe).

Actually, it's not a biased comment just because we are supporting Ancajas here.

It should be noted that even though Ancajas is struggling the whole fight because of that overtraining he did just to reach the required weight, he was able to finish the 12-round fight against the much healthier Martinez and the result ended up in the decision.

It's a landslide win for Martinez, not even close, 117-111, 118-111, 118-111. I hope Ancajas will turn that scorecard in favor of him on their rematch. Much better if Ancajas will win via TKO. That would be sweet revenge.

Whatever words we put in it, Ancajas still lost the fight unanimously and was defeated dominantly, the scores says it all. Ancajas didn't really expected that Martinez can throw good heavy punches but the good thing is that the Filipino warrior can withstand all of it especially in that state he's in and still managed to finish a full 12-round fight. Two factors why Ancajas lost from the fight, lack of training because of the sudden replacement and second is he is not in good state where he can give a good fight to Martinez.

[Fredomago]

It's not that Martinez is not good, but we think that it was just a fluke win and Jerwin should have won the first fight in there is no problem on his side. (I might be biased here, hehehe).

Actually, it's not a biased comment just because we are supporting Ancajas here.

It should be noted that even though Ancajas is struggling the whole fight because of that overtraining he did just to reach the required weight, he was able to finish the 12-round fight against the much healthier Martinez and the result ended up in the decision.

It's a landslide win for Martinez, not even close, 117-111, 118-111, 118-111. I hope Ancajas will turn that scorecard in favor of him on their rematch. Much better if Ancajas will win via TKO. That would be sweet revenge.

Whatever words we put in it, Ancajas still lost the fight unanimously and was defeated dominantly, the scores says it all. Ancajas didn't really expected that Martinez can throw good heavy punches but the good thing is that the Filipino warrior can withstand all of it especially in that state he's in and still managed to finish a full 12-round fight. Two factors why Ancajas lost from the fight, lack of training because of the sudden replacement and second is he is not in good state where he can give a good fight to Martinez.

Just like what you have said from your first statement, nothing can be put on words because Ancajas lose that first match he did try but Martinez dominated him and even he survive and ends the entire rounds we see how exhausted he is in trying to fight back and defend himself trying not to be KO. Those reason about his loss might be a good basis to enhance now his winning chance, proper trainings and scouting if what fighting strategy did Martinez use to him and anticipate if how he can manage to outrun him and change the dominance and most of it reclaim his title/belt.

[Baofeng]

Martinez turned Ancajas into a punching bag during their 1st meeting.

That was a horrible experience title defense of Ancajas in the whole history of his boxing career. He managed to survive the fight and avoid being knockout.

Since Ancajas knows the problem, they immediately work on it just a few days before this fight was announced officially. I hope their efforts will be paid off.

Yes, he has defended this belts so many times that we wasn't expected that he will become a punching bag or at least doesn't have answers to Martinez as he was outclassed. But then again, if we look at the post fight interview, we know what the problem is.

He need to make a comeback win here, we know that he is a heavy handed boxers, but he wasn't able to land a good blow because he switch his stance and then decided to ba a "boxer", which we are not used to seeing him because he is really a brawler and wanted to go toe to toe. So I look forward from Jerwin to go back to his style of fighting and hopefully he can score a knockout.

[harizen]

Two factors why Ancajas lost from the fight, lack of training because of the sudden replacement and second is he is not in good state where he can give a good fight to Martinez.

We should stop saying the sudden replacement of the opponent is one of the reasons why Jerwin Ancajas lost. That was a sh*t reason for a champion like him. On the other hand, Martinez is also on the same as he suddenly becomes a challenger and will face the champion.

Both of them have the same time to do the preparations.

It's clear and is also mentioned by his camp that Ancajas is not really in his shape on that fight because of overtraining to reach the required weight. That's it.

[Kemarit]

Two factors why Ancajas lost from the fight, lack of training because of the sudden replacement and second is he is not in good state where he can give a good fight to Martinez.

We should stop saying the sudden replacement of the opponent is one of the reasons why Jerwin Ancajas lost. That was a sh*t reason for a champion like him. On the other hand, Martinez is also on the same as he suddenly becomes a challenger and will face the champion.

Both of them have the same time to do the preparations.

It's clear and is also mentioned by his camp that Ancajas is not really in his shape on that fight because of overtraining to reach the required weight. That's it.

Yes, it's not that Martinez is a replacement fighter, it really boils down to

a) his weight issues
b) overtraining

So both really contributed on his performance and they admit to it afterwards. Yeah, they might be thrown off a bit by Martinez as a late replacement but he could have perform better and win the fight if those issues didn't arises in his camp.

[Ziskinberg]

Two factors why Ancajas lost from the fight, lack of training because of the sudden replacement and second is he is not in good state where he can give a good fight to Martinez.

We should stop saying the sudden replacement of the opponent is one of the reasons why Jerwin Ancajas lost. That was a sh*t reason for a champion like him. On the other hand, Martinez is also on the same as he suddenly becomes a challenger and will face the champion.

Both of them have the same time to do the preparations.

It's clear and is also mentioned by his camp that Ancajas is not really in his shape on that fight because of overtraining to reach the required weight. That's it.

Yes, it's not that Martinez is a replacement fighter, it really boils down to

a) his weight issues
b) overtraining

So both really contributed on his performance and they admit to it afterwards. Yeah, they might be thrown off a bit by Martinez as a late replacement but he could have perform better and win the fight if those issues didn't arises in his camp.

Overtraining? I don't think it's a big issue though, I guess the real problem is the weight issue because boxers know if they are undertrained or overtrained. Anyway, it's already over, this rematch, we will see how Ancajas will make the right adjustments.

[Japinat]

It's not that Martinez is not good, but we think that it was just a fluke win and Jerwin should have won the first fight in there is no problem on his side. (I might be biased here, hehehe).

Actually, it's not a biased comment just because we are supporting Ancajas here.

It should be noted that even though Ancajas is struggling the whole fight because of that overtraining he did just to reach the required weight, he was able to finish the 12-round fight against the much healthier Martinez and the result ended up in the decision.

It's a landslide win for Martinez, not even close, 117-111, 118-111, 118-111. I hope Ancajas will turn that scorecard in favor of him on their rematch. Much better if Ancajas will win via TKO. That would be sweet revenge.

Whatever words we put in it, Ancajas still lost the fight unanimously and was defeated dominantly, the scores says it all. Ancajas didn't really expected that Martinez can throw good heavy punches but the good thing is that the Filipino warrior can withstand all of it especially in that state he's in and still managed to finish a full 12-round fight. Two factors why Ancajas lost from the fight, lack of training because of the sudden replacement and second is he is not in good state where he can give a good fight to Martinez.

Just like what you have said from your first statement, nothing can be put on words because Ancajas lose that first match he did try but Martinez dominated him and even he survive and ends the entire rounds we see how exhausted he is in trying to fight back and defend himself trying not to be KO. Those reason about his loss might be a good basis to enhance now his winning chance, proper trainings and scouting if what fighting strategy did Martinez use to him and anticipate if how he can manage to outrun him and change the dominance and most of it reclaim his title/belt.

What they can do now is to keep a close eye to Ancajas to watch his diet and weight loss regimen so that this time Ancajas will not have the situation he had in their first encounter, that's just his biggest problem because if they can manage to overcome that then we can safely assume that Ancajas will take the belt again. His chances will get bigger and bigger because he is already in a good healthy condition, also, he is not fighting blindly anymore as he is now knowledgeable enough on how Martinez fights.

[bisdak40]

Overtraining? I don't think it's a big issue though, I guess the real problem is the weight issue because boxers know if they are undertrained or overtrained. Anyway, it's already over, this rematch, we will see how Ancajas will make the right adjustments.

I would agree that there might be a weight issue in the first encounter that contributed to Ancajas' loss but let us also give credit to Martinez as he really performed very well that night that he captured that unexpected belt that he has now.

For sure Ancajas already knew what adjustments to make on this rematch and I just hope that this time he will be more focused and forget momentarily that he lost to this guy once.

Less than 10 days before this fight but still, my favorite bookies have not put the betting odds yet on their site, will come back three days before the fight as that's the usual time they put odds on unpopular boxers.

[Baofeng]

Overtraining? I don't think it's a big issue though, I guess the real problem is the weight issue because boxers know if they are undertrained or overtrained. Anyway, it's already over, this rematch, we will see how Ancajas will make the right adjustments.

I would agree that there might be a weight issue in the first encounter that contributed to Ancajas' loss but let us also give credit to Martinez as he really performed very well that night that he captured that unexpected belt that he has now.

Yes, Martinez is also a good fighter no question about it, and he caught Ancajas with the weight issues so he should get the full credit for that big upset. He was the underdog but it didn't deter his performance and on the contrary he was very proud of his achievement so let's leave it like that.

Less than 10 days before this fight but still, my favorite bookies have not put the betting odds yet on their site, will come back three days before the fight as that's the usual time they put odds on unpopular boxers.

The usual mate, we will have to wait till sport bookies listed this fight together with other options. This fight for us is one of the most anticipated so I don't think that they are going to missed this fight.

[Kemarit]

Two factors why Ancajas lost from the fight, lack of training because of the sudden replacement and second is he is not in good state where he can give a good fight to Martinez.

We should stop saying the sudden replacement of the opponent is one of the reasons why Jerwin Ancajas lost. That was a sh*t reason for a champion like him. On the other hand, Martinez is also on the same as he suddenly becomes a challenger and will face the champion.

Both of them have the same time to do the preparations.

It's clear and is also mentioned by his camp that Ancajas is not really in his shape on that fight because of overtraining to reach the required weight. That's it.

Yes, it's not that Martinez is a replacement fighter, it really boils down to

a) his weight issues
b) overtraining

So both really contributed on his performance and they admit to it afterwards. Yeah, they might be thrown off a bit by Martinez as a late replacement but he could have perform better and win the fight if those issues didn't arises in his camp.

Overtraining? I don't think it's a big issue though, I guess the real problem is the weight issue because boxers know if they are undertrained or overtrained. Anyway, it's already over, this rematch, we will see how Ancajas will make the right adjustments.

I'm not the one who said it, you can read what his trainer has said here,

He suspects they may have over trained Ancajas while preparing for Martinez.

https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/08/17/22/boxing-what-adjustments-ancajas-is-making-for-next-bout

So I don't think you can argue on what his trainer says?

And besides, I can only speculate that they have seen the weight issue already and did try to compensate and losing those extra baggage by doing lots of drills resulting to another factor that affected his performance.

[btc_angela]

I think we can all agreed by now that Ancajas has problem with the weight that's why he loses this fight. We are not though taking anything from Martinez, he do everything and box his way out of the decision here. But it's time to move on and Jerwin saw his mistakes already, beside the weight issue. He needs to be aggressive as well, just like what he did on his previous fight. Overtraining? no problem, it's the trainer job to make sure this time that we will just be in the peak condition entering the ring in fight night. No cramps, fully rehydrated and 100% going for the win.

[bisdak40]

And besides, I can only speculate that they have seen the weight issue already and did try to compensate and losing those extra baggage by doing lots of drills resulting to another factor that affected his performance.

Trying to lose weight hours before a fight is really an agonizing task and that might result in hurting yourself that is why I'm inclined to believe that the weight issue was the biggest factor why he loses the first fight aside from the fact that Martinez was a replacement fighter.

Just take a look at how Shakur handled that weight issue, he never minds losing the belt rather than hurting himself to shed those excess pounds during the weigh-in, might be a good idea because he performed really well but we can only speculate that if he decided to make the weight he might have lost the fight.

[LUCKMCFLY]

That is very interesting, from what I see Ancajas needs much more for things to go well for him and he can recover many things, I don't know but I think he should do everything possible to win, and the way Martinez describes it he is clear and will not make it easy for him, Martinez's preparation has been very strong and he has made a lot of effort, nothing more than the fact that he can score a victory over Ancajas is something that can boost his career, for me Martinez has found in boxing the professional path that life is showing him, is something that not everyone sees and some give up, I see that Martinez has a lot of spirit in his fights.

If Martinez wants to maintain the hypes in his career, winning is the only option, while in the other side it's also what Ancajas trying t achieved bringing back his belt and a possible to move up and challenge much bigger fighters in the next division. I like that idea if both fighters are doing everything to have that edge over another, the winner here most likely will be the fans that will enjoy the fight inside the ring.

^ Last time I checked the odds are still not listed on our favorite crypto sport bookies.

And like fights that are lesser known, or like the first one, the odds were just released days before the fight itself, so I'm expecting the same. Nevertheless, the fight is just less than a month, and I'm speculating that training for both camps are in full swing and hopefully Ancajas weight issues could have been approached differently by his camps in this rematch so that there will be no excuses, win or lose on his side.

He needs to maintain his weight while doing extra trainings and sparrings, if he wanted to win over Martinez he needs to condition and make sure that he really prepared both physically and mentally, he's still young and if the goal is to win more titles or have a much better life like Pacquiao and Donaire, he needs to win this fight and reclaimed his belt.

What apsa is that Martengaz has all his hopes pinned on this fight, he knows that if he wins he can be crowned one of the best boxers of this 2022, and it is obvious that many more fights and more propositions will rain down on him, in terms In general, he can make money quickly, the boxing business is very lucrative when he is good, then everything depends on him, of course in this case Ancajas has to make a great effort to be able to do something very hard and forceful, he has to take away all that desire for triumphalism that Matinez may be doing, and obviously Ancajas is one of the most famous boxers and it could mean being his springboard.

Overtraining? I don't think it's a big issue though, I guess the real problem is the weight issue because boxers know if they are undertrained or overtrained. Anyway, it's already over, this rematch, we will see how Ancajas will make the right adjustments.

I would agree that there might be a weight issue in the first encounter that contributed to Ancajas' loss but let us also give credit to Martinez as he really performed very well that night that he captured that unexpected belt that he has now.

Yes, Martinez is also a good fighter no question about it, and he caught Ancajas with the weight issues so he should get the full credit for that big upset. He was the underdog but it didn't deter his performance and on the contrary he was very proud of his achievement so let's leave it like that.

Less than 10 days before this fight but still, my favorite bookies have not put the betting odds yet on their site, will come back three days before the fight as that's the usual time they put odds on unpopular boxers.

The usual mate, we will have to wait till sport bookies listed this fight together with other options. This fight for us is one of the most anticipated so I don't think that they are going to missed this fight.

You are right because for me martinez has done a phenomenal job, everyone already knows that martinez is a cartoonist who has had a lot of relevance in terms of good performance, but now with everything that has happened to ancajas it is something that makes him quite good his career, in any case the fight is for October 8 and it has to be fulfilled in any way, personally I would like to have the opportunity to see Martinez win, because the spirit he has for now is very good, I have seen it in some of his statements and the truth is that he feels very confident, I think he is very confident in his technique and that is something that I like, very few boxers have so much confidence, this rematch promises, the pumice does not want to leave a bad taste mouth more.

Two factors why Ancajas lost from the fight, lack of training because of the sudden replacement and second is he is not in good state where he can give a good fight to Martinez.

We should stop saying the sudden replacement of the opponent is one of the reasons why Jerwin Ancajas lost. That was a sh*t reason for a champion like him. On the other hand, Martinez is also on the same as he suddenly becomes a challenger and will face the champion.

Both of them have the same time to do the preparations.

It's clear and is also mentioned by his camp that Ancajas is not really in his shape on that fight because of overtraining to reach the required weight. That's it.

Yes, it's not that Martinez is a replacement fighter, it really boils down to

a) his weight issues
b) overtraining

So both really contributed on his performance and they admit to it afterwards. Yeah, they might be thrown off a bit by Martinez as a late replacement but he could have perform better and win the fight if those issues didn't arises in his camp.

Overtraining? I don't think it's a big issue though, I guess the real problem is the weight issue because boxers know if they are undertrained or overtrained. Anyway, it's already over, this rematch, we will see how Ancajas will make the right adjustments.

I'm not the one who said it, you can read what his trainer has said here,

He suspects they may have over trained Ancajas while preparing for Martinez.

https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/08/17/22/boxing-what-adjustments-ancajas-is-making-for-next-bout

So I don't think you can argue on what his trainer says?

And besides, I can only speculate that they have seen the weight issue already and did try to compensate and losing those extra baggage by doing lots of drills resulting to another factor that affected his performance.

Well I think that the nutritionist's problem got out of hand, Ancajas was also very much to blame for me, at this point a problem like this should not mean that it affects her performance or anything, the truth seems to me something painful, I don't know now if this is well seen by the federation and by all its organizers, the business model that this sport represents is very large and I think it needs to be more serious in its contenders, these things should not happen, also I do not know if in The rules stipulate that a boxer who is overweight and who violates the conditions should be sanctioned?


The news in the Philippines about Anchos is many, everyone has their possibilities placed on it, I do not have all the channels available, but thanks to YouTube you can get good information:


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA8bByDAooE

Everyone in the Philippines bets on his great compatriot, will he be able to against "Puma" Martinez?

[lionheart78]

And besides, I can only speculate that they have seen the weight issue already and did try to compensate and losing those extra baggage by doing lots of drills resulting to another factor that affected his performance.

Trying to lose weight hours before a fight is really an agonizing task and that might result in hurting yourself that is why I'm inclined to believe that the weight issue was the biggest factor why he loses the first fight aside from the fact that Martinez was a replacement fighter.

There are lots of cases where a boxer who is overweight during the weigh-in and happen to make the adjustment to meet the minimum requirements often underperform.  Even the legendary Manny Pacquiao lost 2 matches due to overweight problem.  So it is rational to think that the weight problem plays a huge part.  And also the replacement also plays some part in the loss too.  Imagine you are preparing and practicing the strategy laid for your opponent for months, then all of a sudden your opponent cannot make it to the fight, and a replacement is announced.

It is easier to practice a strategy when a player is at its initial preparation than to change strategy after practicing for months. 

Just take a look at how Shakur handled that weight issue, he never minds losing the belt rather than hurting himself to shed those excess pounds during the weigh-in, might be a good idea because he performed really well but we can only speculate that if he decided to make the weight he might have lost the fight.

Shakur knew he has a huge possibility to lose if he pursues his belt, and he choose his record over the title so he gave up the moment he felt that meeting the weight will have a huge possibility to cost him the fight.

[Fredomago]

I think we can all agreed by now that Ancajas has problem with the weight that's why he loses this fight. We are not though taking anything from Martinez, he do everything and box his way out of the decision here. But it's time to move on and Jerwin saw his mistakes already, beside the weight issue. He needs to be aggressive as well, just like what he did on his previous fight. Overtraining? no problem, it's the trainer job to make sure this time that we will just be in the peak condition entering the ring in fight night. No cramps, fully rehydrated and 100% going for the win.

He need this adjustment and he got enough time to achieve it, both his weight and his body conditioning should be coordinated when the time of the fight comes, no more excuses or anything but be a pro to face those past mistakes and try to do everything to reclaim your belt and be back in the winning side. Though there are fighters that really taking things seriously after losing a fight. But Jerwin is still young and if he will win this rematch, his future will be more fruitful.

I mean, in terms of more money making fight, if you have the belt then you will receive more good contracts.

Everything will be in his hands now. Winning this fight will surely flip him up and bring more hypes to his name.

[serjent05]

Well I think that the nutritionist's problem got out of hand, Ancajas was also very much to blame for me, at this point a problem like this should not mean that it affects her performance or anything, the truth seems to me something painful, I don't know now if this is well seen by the federation and by all its organizers, the business model that this sport represents is very large and I think it needs to be more serious in its contenders, these things should not happen, also I do not know if in The rules stipulate that a boxer who is overweight and who violates the conditions should be sanctioned?

I don't think Ancajas to be blamed for being overweight.  Ancajas as a boxer needs to follow his camp's planned activities.  That includes training, diet, strategy, sparring partner, etc.  The boxer has no say on this except for some issues that the boxer is allowed to input.  This is also the reason why Ancajas camp got a new nutritionist because probably the previous one messed up.

The news in the Philippines about Anchos is many, everyone has their possibilities placed on it, I do not have all the channels available, but thanks to YouTube you can get good information:


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA8bByDAooE

Everyone in the Philippines bets on his great compatriot, will he be able to against "Puma" Martinez?

Of course, I think it is the same no matter what country the boxer is.  If there is no problem beforehand and Ancajas goes up in the ring with 100% conditioned body and mind then I think he will be able to beat Martinez.

[Kelvinid]

I don't think Ancajas to be blamed for being overweight.  Ancajas as a boxer needs to follow his camp's planned activities.  That includes training, diet, strategy, sparring partner, etc.  The boxer has no say on this except for some issues that the boxer is allowed to input.  This is also the reason why Ancajas camp got a new nutritionist because probably the previous one messed up.

Nah, they should not play the blaming game, and besides, we don't know what happenned inside, it's everyone's fault, it's safe to think that way, and we should be thinking that they will not allow it to happen again, so most likely Ancajas will have a bounce back win.

[Baofeng]

I don't think Ancajas to be blamed for being overweight.  Ancajas as a boxer needs to follow his camp's planned activities.  That includes training, diet, strategy, sparring partner, etc.  The boxer has no say on this except for some issues that the boxer is allowed to input.  This is also the reason why Ancajas camp got a new nutritionist because probably the previous one messed up.

Nah, they should not play the blaming game, and besides, we don't know what happenned inside, it's everyone's fault, it's safe to think that way, and we should be thinking that they will not allow it to happen again, so most likely Ancajas will have a bounce back win.

Yeah, we can only think what is going inside his camp in preparation of this fight, maybe Ancajas is monitoring his weight and yet didn't do the diet that he was required, or the supposedly nutritionist didn't know who to work with boxers or miscalculated Ancajas food intake. Or the trainer really do overtrain him this time. So there are a lot of things going behind the curtain that we are not aware of. At least this time, they hire a new nutritionist, a world class that will help Jerwin, not just to cut weight safely, but to rehydrate as well because that's also very important for a boxer to replenish his body after a weight drain.