How much food can you store for survival?3

[philipma1957]

Well to all thanks for info.

With monkey pox growing worldwide
With polio coming back to USA first case in 11 years
With continued covid variant whatever.

With New Jersey now having tornadoes 5x as much as they used to have. Still not that many.

With hurricanes being stronger and more often.


Plus my lovely government  as many others does not seem to know WTF it is doing

I dwell on what to do for some safety.

In case of minor major issue.

Any 1 year problem means Death as a very likely outcome.

But shorter issues happen more.

long power outages due to storms are big now.
I always keep 7 to days worth of food and water.
I also have propane generator.
Some guns ammo
and a few bulletproof vests.

Not sure what more I should do.

If USA goes to a civil war I do not expect to survive that.

But longer storm issues are going to happen.

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[mm2543363580]

Well to all thanks for info.

With monkey pox growing worldwide
With polio coming back to USA first case in 11 years
With continued covid variant whatever.

With New Jersey now having tornadoes 5x as much as they used to have. Still not that many.

With hurricanes being stronger and more often.


Plus my lovely government  as many others does not seem to know WTF it is doing

I dwell on what to do for some safety.

In case of minor major issue.

Any 1 year problem means Death as a very likely outcome.

But shorter issues happen more.

long power outages due to storms are big now.
I always keep 7 to days worth of food and water.
I also have propane generator.
Some guns ammo
and a few bulletproof vests.

Not sure what more I should do.

If USA goes to a civil war I do not expect to survive that.

But longer storm issues are going to happen.

I think we need to have a dry fruits and biscuits and water bottle. To save up oneself from any energy if there is any looming
But there is no need to save so much extra food. Because sometime that doesn't happen at all.

[Vaskiy]

As the above user suggested if you were able to save dry fruits then it is able to be kept for a longer time period. For example if you're keeping Banana, it'll be wasted within a week. Same if you dry it and keep it on air tight containers it'll last for much longer time period. I don't know will people follow this and all in your country. In my region people used to dry banana and it is mostly exported and gives better revenue for the farmers. The price gets doubled when dried.

[be.open]

As the above user suggested if you were able to save dry fruits then it is able to be kept for a longer time period. For example if you're keeping Banana, it'll be wasted within a week. Same if you dry it and keep it on air tight containers it'll last for much longer time period. I don't know will people follow this and all in your country. In my region people used to dry banana and it is mostly exported and gives better revenue for the farmers. The price gets doubled when dried.

Yep, a dehydrator plus a vacuum packaging solves the problem of long-term food storage without dependence on electricity (no need for a refrigerator, just a dark, cool place). Moreover, it is possible to dry not only fruits, but also vegetables and meat in a dehydrator. Powerful industrial dehydrators cost a lot of money, but small home dehydrators are quite affordable.

[fauzan Ichsan]

As the above user suggested if you were able to save dry fruits then it is able to be kept for a longer time period. For example if you're keeping Banana, it'll be wasted within a week. Same if you dry it and keep it on air tight containers it'll last for much longer time period. I don't know will people follow this and all in your country. In my region people used to dry banana and it is mostly exported and gives better revenue for the farmers. The price gets doubled when dried.

Yep, a dehydrator plus a vacuum packaging solves the problem of long-term food storage without dependence on electricity (no need for a refrigerator, just a dark, cool place). Moreover, it is possible to dry not only fruits, but also vegetables and meat in a dehydrator. Powerful industrial dehydrators cost a lot of money, but small home dehydrators are quite affordable.

with airtight it will keep food fresh and we can enjoy it for a long time, indeed vacuum is an easy choice to control the availability of food ingredients, on the other hand maybe we can store food that has been preserved traditionally, without any preservatives, such as as well as a smoking system for marine fish, so it can be stored for a relatively long period of time

[batang_bitcoin]

I'll put into stock of course basic necessities that are easy to be eaten and even many don't like processed foods and cans, it's really part of my list.
And along with it is liters of clean water, whether they're mineral, distilled as long as they're clean. That's one of the most important thing for survival, because we can survive for a few days by just having water and I think that will be enough and me as a family man, it's not just for me and my wife but also for our kid. Honestly, I'd like to thank you philip for this topic, you just made me remember my plan about this because of the on going food shortage. Cash is also needed at these times even we're crypto folks and investors, when there are crisis like this, cash is king.

[justdimin]

As the above user suggested if you were able to save dry fruits then it is able to be kept for a longer time period. For example if you're keeping Banana, it'll be wasted within a week. Same if you dry it and keep it on air tight containers it'll last for much longer time period. I don't know will people follow this and all in your country. In my region people used to dry banana and it is mostly exported and gives better revenue for the farmers. The price gets doubled when dried.

That's a good idea since a fresh fruit can get damaged easily but dried fruits can last little more longer and what's better with that is that they didn't take much space. You can just store them in any containers even plastic bags. Another benefit of them is that they are so nutritious even if you will just consume a little.

This is definitely one of the best foods for survival. Better if we can prepare a bag of them now in our home just in case unexpected events happens. On what country you are in the way? Must be from Asia? Because, I already saw they have that product you are talking about. Not only this food helps others, this will also help your country even more.

[darkangel11]

Each of us can be in a different situation when it comes to prepping. I live in a house with my own well so I'd have large supply of water. We also have a generator so in case of emergency we'd be able to use a fridge and a freezer at least for a few days. I also have a propane tank. If I were to store food for a month I'd go with different types of flour a bag of potatoes onions and apples. With flour and yeast you can make buns even without an oven. You just need a fireplace and the rest can be held for months in a cellar and you can fry boil or bake them and use for a hundred dishes as long as you have some other things like milk, eggs, butter.

Canned and dry food is fine but it can get boring after a week. Don't forget the little things that brighten up our day like coffee, tea, alcohol, maybe some dried meat, fruit juices. Drinking bottled water for a month can be really depressing.

[Hydrogen]

With long term food storage, it is important to have a supplementary source of long term vitamin C. Methods of preservation like food dehydration are known to completely eliminate vitamin C from foods. Dehydrated fruits and vegetables will not contain the vitamin C one might expect which can complicate things over the long term. Freeze drying might also reduce vitamin C, I'm not 100% certain. It could affect freeze dried food items like MREs.

Another key factor is ambient temperature. Storing food at lower temperatures will cause them to last significantly longer. Having a basement or wine cellar that is cooler than norms, is the best place to store food items for the long run. Regions with higher average temperatures can expect food items to spoil and go bad at a faster rate.

Fermented foods are a good method to create long term food items for storage, using common grocery store items, without special skills or equipment.

Bottling and canning are both obtainable skills in this day and age. With plenty of information, support and resources.

[franky1]

People who doesn't have enough money will bought many high carbohydrate foods since it's cheap and would make your stomach full without thinking the nutrition, vitamins etc. They will bought dozen bags of white rice, dozen carton of spaghetti, ramen or noodle.

noodles, rice,pasta may fill the stomach. but does not save off from malnutrition

take the third world countries. they are handed free bags of the stuff you mentioned. yet they have distended stomachs(bloating) but nutritionally they are starved

research: Kwashiorkor

you need protein. though pasta,rice,noodles does have some protein. rice is the worse
noodles/pasta has 5%, rice has 2.5%
but there are other sources of protein

a 100gram piece of meat contains 28% of protein.
meaning if you had 400g tin can of meat you would need 4KG of rice to get the same nutrition. which is more storage space needed and also not really feasible to eat that much rice in a day to get the same protein intake

economically. nuts serve as the cheapest option that provide most protein, yet actual meat has many other minerals that nuts alone dont provide. thus ending up needing to buy more then just nuts if you tried avoiding meat storage

[philipma1957]

As the above user suggested if you were able to save dry fruits then it is able to be kept for a longer time period. For example if you're keeping Banana, it'll be wasted within a week. Same if you dry it and keep it on air tight containers it'll last for much longer time period. I don't know will people follow this and all in your country. In my region people used to dry banana and it is mostly exported and gives better revenue for the farmers. The price gets doubled when dried.

Yep, a dehydrator plus a vacuum packaging solves the problem of long-term food storage without dependence on electricity (no need for a refrigerator, just a dark, cool place). Moreover, it is possible to dry not only fruits, but also vegetables and meat in a dehydrator. Powerful industrial dehydrators cost a lot of money, but small home dehydrators are quite affordable.

mining fan heat can dry tomatoes.

I have two fig trees I will make multiple jars of fig preserves this year. They will keep in mason jars for 18 months.

My thoughts here are more short term. Ie new pandemic. Here in USA 🇺🇸 they let us go to supermarkets to shop. But if I am stocked well I can not rush to supermarket until we find out how bad new pandemic may be.

Last one my wife and I got sick before it was officially annouced. I e December 2019 and Jan 2020.

She went into the hospital 10 days in Jan 2020 and again in Oct 2020. Finally recovered in June of 2021.

The actual covid lasted from December 2019 to March 2020. All of the rest of the time was recovering from all the damage she had. My long term issues from it have improved.

But I kind of want a 30 day cushion to just stay in my house is I chose to. whether for covid of it there is a new hurricane and no good food source.

dark rich chocolate bars are pretty good.

and of course home made vanilla vodka.Which I always like to have at least a liter of.😀

[ChiBitCTy]

This is a good topic. I’m not embarrassed to admit that I’m a bit of a prepper myself. I’m moving soon and will have more space to store things so I’ve been asking myself these same questions lately too. I’ve got a bug out kit set up for a small journey and I keep those “survival” meal bars that last for several years in my bag. I imagine some preppers would recommend storing some of those bars amongst other things. Their main deal is being high in everything so if you’re really in need of substance these things will fill you with proper fats/cals, proteins, carbs etc.

[be.open]

But I kind of want a 30 day cushion to just stay in my house is I chose to. whether for covid of it there is a new hurricane and no good food source.

In this case, you just need to create an additional buffer at home between your dining table and the supermarket, ideally independent of the electricity supply to the house - some kind of dry, dark, cool place like a pantry. And use the rule "Store what you eat, eat what you stock" to avoid unnecessary headaches with checking the expiration date of stocked products and not throwing some of the expired supplies into the garbage dump.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Many products have their own expiration dates. If you use them as the deadlines run out, you can buy quite a lot. The problem will always be with water. You can eat less, but water should be consumed without saving on it. Otherwise, health problems will arise that will not be helped by a large supply of food.

Another question, a month or more, under what circumstances will the question of survival arise? And also the meaning, if here, for example, they talked about nuclear war? If we talk about global cataclysms, what can change if someone can extend their life by a few months?

[blue_hurricanger]

Canned food is okay but if you intake it for too long, it might not good for your health. From that point, I think you should brand out more. If I live away from the city, in a suburban arena, I'd try to set up a chicken coop. Good source of eggs daily and maybe chicken meat too if you know how to prepare a live chicken. I know your rules about no fresh meat but poultry feed for those chickens is easy to store. Require just a little time per day to feed and collect their eggs too.

Many products have their own expiration dates. If you use them as the deadlines run out, you can buy quite a lot. The problem will always be with water. You can eat less, but water should be consumed without saving on it. Otherwise, health problems will arise that will not be helped by a large supply of food.

Another question, a month or more, under what circumstances will the question of survival arise? And also the meaning, if here, for example, they talked about nuclear war? If we talk about global cataclysms, what can change if someone can extend their life by a few months?

Agree, water is the biggest issue here. He can dig a well. From what I've researched, well drilling costs around $25 to $65 per foot to put in complete system installation. The average cost to dig or drill a new water well is $3750 to $15300. Seems like a lot but solve the water issue right away and benefit in a long time.

[coolcoinz]

You can survive or you can eat well. To survive 30 days you don't need a lot of variety in your food. You could get ready to eat daily military rations and have some of those stored in a cool dark place. They usually stay fresh for up to 5 years, but I've seen people eat 20 year old rations. Probably the most tasty and healthy would be frozen precooked food. Like when you make a large amount (10l) of beef goulash with a ton of veggies, pack it into portions and freeze it. It can be eaten with bread, rice, potatoes, pasta, whatever you can get, and it will provide plenty nutrients.
If I had the choice I'd rather hold frozen natural food than meat and bean cans.

and of course home made vanilla vodka.Which I always like to have at least a liter of.😀

I know a guy who seems to get all his nutrients from alcohol. Every time I see him, he drinks, or is drunk. I've seen him work on neighbor's land and I gave him a small job to do on mine. Both times all he wanted to drink was beer and he never ate anything. Apparently beer has a lot of calories.

[Ucy]

I think you should go for dried foods to reduce weight and have more foods to store. I assume the Cans and liquid will add alot to food weight and make it difficult to transport large amounts of foods to different locations.
Better to carefully dry the foods in ways that preserve their nutrients. And this could help you reduce the need for nutritional supplements...i will advice you dry alot of nutrient-rich vegs & fruits like Moringa leaves, berries etc.... Meats can also be dried... and cereals, legumes, etc are typically dried. You could use durable light weight materials to store them.
It's also important to have people you can exchange foods with,  buying & selling with Cryptocurrency like Bitcoin incase of prolonged crisis or food shortages. I choose crypto due to the possibility of fiat currency inflation due to shortages

[ingiltere]

We have experienced this seriously in Türkiye. Supply problems occurred due to both the pandemic and the war conditions. In addition, due to the expected price hikes in the prices of some products, there was serious stockpiling. For us, we can say that every day is like this here in Türkiye.
We store durable food products. We always keep the refrigerator full. We use freezer if available.
We have not experienced many bad situations so far, but we predicted what could happen. Short-term supply shortages occurred. We always kept dry legumes, rice and pasta at home. Canned products are also in the warehouse. Everyone knows how to make bread at home.
When we think about what we've been through in the last few years, we realized that this is not paranoid at all, and that everyone needs to be prepared.
We have made it a habit to live in a house full of supplies by paying attention to the expiration dates. In spite of everything, if a big event happens, it's very difficult to last more than 3-4 months honestly.

[Rruchi man]

People's answer will vary from person to person depending on their location and how things are, I will give an answer based on my location and the current situation of things. To survive for a long time in Nigeria there are some essentials that you must consider, we usually have personal boreholes and do not depend on the government for water supply as well as gas for cooking, Electricity has never been constant so PMS in drums(if possible) is a must have to power your borehole most importantly first. If you plan surviving for a long time keeping foodstuffs that need refrigerating or be kept frozen may be a bad idea as it will mean that you PMS is at the risk of finishing faster. Keeping grains, cereals, tubers and lots of processed products plus enough of the things needed for the grains to be edible is what is adviced.

I say this having experienced a very serious total lockdown for over twenty five days alone on my own.

[mm2543363580]

People's answer will vary from person to person depending on their location and how things are, I will give an answer based on my location and the current situation of things. To survive for a long time in Nigeria there are some essentials that you must consider, we usually have personal boreholes and do not depend on the government for water supply as well as gas for cooking, Electricity has never been constant so PMS in drums(if possible) is a must have to power your borehole most importantly first. If you plan surviving for a long time keeping foodstuffs that need refrigerating or be kept frozen may be a bad idea as it will mean that you PMS is at the risk of finishing faster. Keeping grains, cereals, tubers and lots of processed products plus enough of the things needed for the grains to be edible is what is adviced.

I say this having experienced a very serious total lockdown for over twenty five days alone on my own.

Of Course - also there is another option of having an organic garden too. So that you get some fresh fruits and vegetables at home.
some people also keep poultry at home - so rather than storage have some organic regular supply at home.