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July 29, 2022, 06:30:18 AM
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Consider grayscale's goal is getting as much BTC from the wallets of everyone.  They are your competitor,  they eat retail investors alive. Why would they give you  signal?

Why not just watch the news yourself because every time the FED raises the interest rate, there is a bull market going on. It's what happened just yesterday and this spike in prices is the result. This is besides watching the chart, many traders I think have also expected the bulls coming although not all of them but some are already speculating what is coming due to what the charts are telling.


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July 29, 2022, 06:32:20 AM
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It can be said how to beat whales by trying to become fake whales but unfortunately whales will not like to cooperate with retail because they already have huge funds to do what they want including manipulating the market, for me, you and retail investors $500,000 is big but not for whales and what if they also manipulate your idea can you believe that they will actually open it up and maybe the whales will think that you can leak their idea so it won't work as intended.

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July 29, 2022, 11:59:41 AM
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...I think if we pay them each month 500,000$ that will do
Wht u think ?

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July 29, 2022, 12:09:42 PM
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Consider grayscale's goal is getting as much BTC from the wallets of everyone.  They are your competitor,  they eat retail investors alive. Why would they give you  signal?

Why not just watch the news yourself because every time the FED raises the interest rate, there is a bull market going on. It's what happened just yesterday and this spike in prices is the result. This is besides watching the chart, many traders I think have also expected the bulls coming although not all of them but some are already speculating what is coming due to what the charts are telling.
Last time it was the same, after the rise there was an increase in the market, but after a while a fall followed, this may be a kind of bull trap. But you also need to understand that many expected a fall after that, so now we can see how bitcoin will grow and maybe even rise above 25k, and only after that we will see a continuation of the fall. So far, everything is going according to the old scenario, and I have not seen any positive news for growth at the moment, so this may be a temporary correction.

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July 29, 2022, 12:35:00 PM
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Consider grayscale's goal is getting as much BTC from the wallets of everyone.  They are your competitor,  they eat retail investors alive. Why would they give you  signal?

Why not just watch the news yourself because every time the FED raises the interest rate, there is a bull market going on. It's what happened just yesterday and this spike in prices is the result. This is besides watching the chart, many traders I think have also expected the bulls coming although not all of them but some are already speculating what is coming due to what the charts are telling.
Last time it was the same, after the rise there was an increase in the market, but after a while a fall followed, this may be a kind of bull trap. But you also need to understand that many expected a fall after that, so now we can see how bitcoin will grow and maybe even rise above 25k, and only after that we will see a continuation of the fall. So far, everything is going according to the old scenario, and I have not seen any positive news for growth at the moment, so this may be a temporary correction.
Currently the price of Bitcoin has increased but it doesn't seem like this will continue for long,
we need to look at it as a whole and analyze it so as not to make wrong decisions,
We'll see if there will be any positive news regarding the current growth

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July 29, 2022, 03:33:55 PM
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So if grayscale is one of tge biggest whale they know when and how market moves.
Then lets collect money and pay them and other big whales to give us correct info
I think if we pay them each month 500,000$ that will do

Wht u think ? Merit for sure good innovative idea here
This is not going to happen, they wont waste time for a small time investor like us and if this is how the market works, imagine how they can make money if every will follow their move? Technically this is not a trading anymore. Grayscale surely have their own analyst , they have the money for this one and I’m sure they only trust the best analyst alive so their money will continue to grow. Better if you learn trading on your own, I’m sure you can have more profit as well.

They won't waste even a single glimpse of time for small time investors because their focus is to make their own profit. They won't think of others who want to gain profit as well so we can't rely on them. It's better to enjoy trading on your own based on your knowledge and skills than to rely on others. Learn how to do your own analysis that will help you succeed in your trading journey.
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July 29, 2022, 06:30:46 PM
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So if grayscale is one of tge biggest whale they know when and how market moves.
Then lets collect money and pay them and other big whales to give us correct info
I think if we pay them each month 500,000$ that will do

Wht u think ? Merit for sure good innovative idea here
This is not going to happen, they wont waste time for a small time investor like us and if this is how the market works, imagine how they can make money if every will follow their move? Technically this is not a trading anymore. Grayscale surely have their own analyst , they have the money for this one and I’m sure they only trust the best analyst alive so their money will continue to grow. Better if you learn trading on your own, I’m sure you can have more profit as well.

They won't waste even a single glimpse of time for small time investors because their focus is to make their own profit. They won't think of others who want to gain profit as well so we can't rely on them. It's better to enjoy trading on your own based on your knowledge and skills than to rely on others. Learn how to do your own analysis that will help you succeed in your trading journey.

Big investors do have their way and will not think of us as small investors. we really have to adapt to all conditions, don't go against the flow, it's better to just follow what they play. Learning to trade and honing technical analysis skills are mandatory things to do. If we understand how the market moves we will be safe and there will be some advantages to be gained, rather than just depending on others.

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July 29, 2022, 08:11:34 PM
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 Greyscale won't budge that $500k offer. They are one of the known whales that have bitcoins and surely they have their own traders and analyst, They won't tell someone about the strategy or buy prices they are planning to enter. They know that they aren't the only one trying to buy at lower prices, They won't let their enemy copy what they are currently doing. Also they won't manipulate the market for the sake of other offers. If they did some manipulation, For sure they will be earning more than $500k. In reality Greyscale or any kind of institution won't sell information about their next moves.
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July 29, 2022, 09:42:48 PM
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I think if we pay them each month 500,000$ that will do

Wht u think ? Merit for sure good innovative idea here
Seriously dude?
Are you kidding me?
Who the hell will spend that lot of money only to pay the whales? You know, the whales are richer more than it and they can make money easily more than quickly. They are not the people who concern with the paid services to this. However, the market is probably influenced by the whales, but the whales also cannot control the market 100%. It will also depend on how the market is going on. And there are so many whales, what whale will you pay?
Btw Instead of spending that much money to pay whales, I'd rather use it for trading and investing in Bitcoin. This is more promising. We can study market movements, although sometimes the market is very unpredictable, we can also get some anticipation with several plans.

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To make profit from trading,you need to use your own strategy.Because you may learn from your trading.The money you had involved is your own money,So it’s better to get use of own strategy then using others.People who was new can use of the strategy of the old people,whom you know or from whom you had learned about the crypto currency.Then you will not lose huge money from your pocket.
To make profit then you should learn on how to trade.So what are the ways for you to attain such skill?

•Learn from your mistakes
•Actual experience
•Getting ideas or snipping some idea from others
•Proper research and basic information awareness
•Train yourself about emotion control

You are the ones who would really be molding up yourself to be a better trader and of course this wont really be an easy thing.

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July 29, 2022, 11:43:22 PM
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To make profit from trading,you need to use your own strategy.Because you may learn from your trading.The money you had involved is your own money,So it’s better to get use of own strategy then using others.People who was new can use of the strategy of the old people,whom you know or from whom you had learned about the crypto currency.Then you will not lose huge money from your pocket.

It is true that in order to make a profit from trading, we should rely on ourselves. So we have to be able to analyze the market well and determine
which coins are good for trading, then look for an effective strategy for us to use. Because everyone has different targets and different ways of
trading. After all, other people's trading strategies are not necessarily appropriate if we use them. Moreover, we do have to learn to be responsible
with the money we use for trading. As long as we want to improve our analytical skills, then we want to learn from every mistake we make.
We can potentially generate large profits from trading, the most important thing is that we really have to be patient to become a successful trader.
Because sometimes for us to find a good and effective strategy, have to go through a long process with some losses first.

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July 29, 2022, 11:51:06 PM
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...I think if we pay them each month 500,000$ that will do
Wht u think ?

Why would you pay 500 thousand dollars to find out about Grayscale plans, which are already publicly available. All purchases and sales of Grayscale Investments can be viewed on the page https://www.coinglass.com/Grayscale It looks like I've saved you $500000 right now)
When every detail is in hand what's the need of spending such a big money. According to OP he wants to know when the Grayscale team have planned for the next buy. This won't be disclosed by them even if they're paid with a big money as $500k. Op can start learning that the influence of these markets have shrunk compared to the past. So, manipulation will be effective to some level, beyond that it is in the hands of you and me.

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July 29, 2022, 11:52:45 PM
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~snip~
You are the ones who would really be molding up yourself to be a better trader and of course this wont really be an easy thing.
^ You pointed it out and it is definitely right.
Trading is not for everyone, trading is only for those people who are willing to learn, ready to commit mistakes, and have enough funds to sustain themselves. We are always wanted profit and for many of us trading is a part of a job or a source of income, but it is not, it is precarious to deal with trading if you don't have enough skills. Push yourself to learn in trading because you are the one who is molding up to be a better one.
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July 29, 2022, 11:57:34 PM
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So if grayscale is one of tge biggest whale they know when and how market moves.
Then lets collect money and pay them and other big whales to give us correct info
I think if we pay them each month 500,000$ that will do

Sounds simple, isn't it? They won't even bother to listen as they are focused only on their own business. They don't have time to deal with other traders to give a paid signal or information. These whales are not that dumb to just sell their information where they put an effort into where they are standing right now.

Besides, why pay them if you can learn from yourself? Don't rely on predictions made by others as they have their own way of why they made that.

Learn how to trade. Don't complicate things too much. Your plan is not even realistic.
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August 01, 2022, 01:31:50 AM
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So if grayscale is one of tge biggest whale they know when and how market moves.
Then lets collect money and pay them and other big whales to give us correct info
I think if we pay them each month 500,000$ that will do

Sounds simple, isn't it? They won't even bother to listen as they are focused only on their own business. They don't have time to deal with other traders to give a paid signal or information. These whales are not that dumb to just sell their information where they put an effort into where they are standing right now.

Besides, why pay them if you can learn from yourself? Don't rely on predictions made by others as they have their own way of why they made that.

Learn how to trade. Don't complicate things too much. Your plan is not even realistic.
Truth is the best traders around the world do not even need the funds or strategies of anyone else, they rely on their expertise and use their own money to trade the markets, so there is not reason for them to be interested in something like this, so with this in mind then there is only one alternative for those which want to make profits in the markets and that is to learn how to trade by themselves, and if they cannot do it then they should just accept their limitations and become long term holders and stop dreaming about achieving something that is way beyond their capabilities.
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August 01, 2022, 02:17:46 AM
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So if grayscale is one of tge biggest whale they know when and how market moves.
Then lets collect money and pay them and other big whales to give us correct info
I think if we pay them each month 500,000$ that will do

Wht u think ? Merit for sure good innovative idea here

You clearly asking them to do a blatant market manipulation for just 500K per month? That amountis not even closed in case SEC file them a case for market manipulation and accepting payment for doing it. This is not innovative nor worthy of a single merit. If this will happened, Market will just print fake pump and soon will be erased once everyone take profit.



Lol....they all reafy manipulating all markets based on manipulation lol sec dont do nothing all same cmon dont even try to say its honest things i dont care if honest or not im here for $ if i can get $ i dont care their etics
We all gona eat we all starving and our duty is to put food in table so i dont blame anyone but let me eat with them

Lol, just in your answer that others have already seen the motive and intention why you made this topic dude, do you think 500k$ is just a small amount? as someone who commented here said even rich people will not bite this approach, so merit is not a good solution just to have innovation in this concept of thinking. You may be thinking that what you are saying is very simple, please don't make the other members here in this forum ignorant.

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August 01, 2022, 02:53:51 AM
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I think one reason how many of these funds make money is that their time frame is much larger than most traders. Most traders who are trading Bitcoin usually trade the 5 minute chart and enter a trade for 1 hour and then they exit. Their profits are usually less than 1% or so.

With all these big funds they buy and hold for many months or years. So they don’t care if they bought too early and are underwater for a while, most retail people can’t do that.

So even if you paid the $500K, most likely the strategy wouldn’t work for you anyways.

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August 01, 2022, 04:29:37 AM
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So if grayscale is one of tge biggest whale they know when and how market moves.
Then lets collect money and pay them and other big whales to give us correct info
I think if we pay them each month 500,000$ that will do

Wht u think ? Merit for sure good innovative idea here
It's hard to understand the idea, I don't think it's that easy to find out who the whales are that will rock the cryptocurrency market, and I think the money you offer is certainly less than the income of the whales if they act. we remember when Elon profited from the doge action. On the other hand, to negotiate with them I don't think it's easy, because they also have their own views, sometimes they can't even be influenced by anyone.

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August 01, 2022, 04:50:54 AM
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So if grayscale is one of tge biggest whale they know when and how market moves.
Then lets collect money and pay them and other big whales to give us correct info
I think if we pay them each month 500,000$ that will do

Wht u think ? Merit for sure good innovative idea here
It's hard to understand the idea, I don't think it's that easy to find out who the whales are that will rock the cryptocurrency market, and I think the money you offer is certainly less than the income of the whales if they act. we remember when Elon profited from the doge action. On the other hand, to negotiate with them I don't think it's easy, because they also have their own views, sometimes they can't even be influenced by anyone.
it's the funniest bullshit. try to imagine when all traders and investors know the trend signals that the market will form. will there be a trade? will anyone buy or sell their assets in the market?
there will be paralysis in the crypto market. whoever trades, they have supported this market to exist for a long time.


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